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Hi folks. 🙂

Please read this item, published by a rather clever fellow - another
retired naval officer and a doctor to boot!

https://eclecticlight.co/2023/06/25/last-week-on-my-mac-what-updates/

--
Kind regards,
David

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On Jun 25, 2023 at 12:38:16 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
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> Hi folks. 🙂
>
> Please read this item, published by a rather clever fellow - another
> retired naval officer and a doctor to boot!
>
> https://eclecticlight.co/2023/06/25/last-week-on-my-mac-what-updates/

Already updated but happy you shared this. I did not know of any of it.

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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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On 25/06/2023 16:04, Snit wrote:
> On Jun 25, 2023 at 12:38:16 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> <I9SlM.99838$WpOe.77655@fx18.iad>:
>
>> Hi folks. 🙂
>>
>> Please read this item, published by a rather clever fellow - another
>> retired naval officer and a doctor to boot!
>>
>> https://eclecticlight.co/2023/06/25/last-week-on-my-mac-what-updates/
>
> Already updated but happy you shared this. I did not know of any of it.

10/10 for updating! :-D

//Dr. Howard Oakley is currently a developer of Mac software and is the
founder of The Eclectic Light Company. Howard started life keenly
interested in medicine, attended Oxford, and spent most of his career
with the British Royal Navy as a doctor, ascending to the rank of
Surgeon Commander. Along the way, he became heavily involved with
computers and programming. His first encounter with a Mac SE and MPW
hooked him for life.

We chatted about his life and times as a navy physician, his parallel
evolution as a Mac developer, his amazing blog, The Eclectic Light
Company, his writing for Mac Format, and some of his amazing free
software: Aquiline Check, Consolation and SilentKnight, tools he wanted
for himself. Howard delves into security issues, like XProtect, in a way
that few other developers do.//

https://www.macobserver.com/podcasts/background-mode-howard-oakley/

HTH

--
David

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On 25/06/2023 08:38, David Brooks wrote:
> Hi folks. 🙂
>
> Please read this item, published by a rather clever fellow - another
> retired naval officer and a doctor to boot!
>
> https://eclecticlight.co/2023/06/25/last-week-on-my-mac-what-updates/

I'm really interested to learn whether or not folk using the
'rec.photo.digital' Usenet newsgroup use Apple devices.

Please raise your hand if you do.

Thanks.

--
David

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On Wednesday, 5 July 2023 at 6:28:42 am UTC+10, David Brooks wrote:
> On 25/06/2023 08:38, David Brooks wrote:
> > Hi folks. 🙂
> >
> > Please read this item, published by a rather clever fellow - another
> > retired naval officer and a doctor to boot!
> >
> > https://eclecticlight.co/2023/06/25/last-week-on-my-mac-what-updates/
> I'm really interested to learn whether or not folk using the
> 'rec.photo.digital' Usenet newsgroup use Apple devices.
>
> Please raise your hand if you do.
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
> David

Keeps hands firmly in pockets.

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On 04/07/2023 23:07, Magani wrote:
> On Wednesday, 5 July 2023 at 6:28:42 am UTC+10, David Brooks wrote:
>> On 25/06/2023 08:38, David Brooks wrote:
>>> Hi folks. 🙂
>>>
>>> Please read this item, published by a rather clever fellow - another
>>> retired naval officer and a doctor to boot!
>>>
>>> https://eclecticlight.co/2023/06/25/last-week-on-my-mac-what-updates/
>> I'm really interested to learn whether or not folk using the
>> 'rec.photo.digital' Usenet newsgroup use Apple devices.
>>
>> Please raise your hand if you do.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> --
>> David
>
> Keeps hands firmly in pockets.

😃

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On 2023-07-04 18:07, Magani wrote:
> On Wednesday, 5 July 2023 at 6:28:42 am UTC+10, David Brooks wrote:
>> On 25/06/2023 08:38, David Brooks wrote:
>>> Hi folks. 🙂
>>>
>>> Please read this item, published by a rather clever fellow - another
>>> retired naval officer and a doctor to boot!
>>>
>>> https://eclecticlight.co/2023/06/25/last-week-on-my-mac-what-updates/
>> I'm really interested to learn whether or not folk using the
>> 'rec.photo.digital' Usenet newsgroup use Apple devices.
>>
>> Please raise your hand if you do.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> --
>> David
>
> Keeps hands firmly in pockets.

+1 (And probably plus many...)

--
“If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything."
-Ronald Coase

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 by: geoff - Wed, 5 Jul 2023 04:36 UTC

On 25/06/2023 7:38 pm, David Brooks wrote:
> Hi folks. 🙂
>
> Please read this item, published by a rather clever fellow - another
> retired naval officer and a doctor to boot!
>
> https://eclecticlight.co/2023/06/25/last-week-on-my-mac-what-updates/
>

I have several iPod Touch - used exclusively for audio equipment
technical testing.

Also use iTunes (yes - surely the world's most ghastly-designed
unintuitive app - I know) to extract CDs to ALAC lossless, which I can
then load onto my (Android) phone and play in PowerAmp, as well as use
on the iPods.

I also own a lot of albums (LP and CD) released by Apple, but that's
different ;- )

geoff

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 by: David Brooks - Wed, 5 Jul 2023 07:13 UTC

On 05/07/2023 03:29, RichA wrote:
> On Sunday, 25 June 2023 at 03:38:24 UTC-4, David Brooks wrote:
>> Hi folks. 🙂
>>
>> Please read this item, published by a rather clever fellow - another
>> retired naval officer and a doctor to boot!
>>
>> https://eclecticlight.co/2023/06/25/last-week-on-my-mac-what-updates/
>>
>> --
>> Kind regards,
>> David
>
> How can he be clever using Apple...anything?

"The latest statistics on the smartphone market share worldwide show
that as of April 2023, US phone maker Apple leads the pack, with a
market share of 30.44%. This means that more than three in 10 smartphone
users worldwide use an Apple phone."

Ref: https://www.oberlo.com/statistics/smartphone-market-share

HTH

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 by: David Taylor - Wed, 5 Jul 2023 09:16 UTC

On 05/07/2023 08:13, David Brooks wrote:
> "The latest statistics on the smartphone market share worldwide show
> that as of April 2023, US phone maker Apple leads the pack, with a
> market share of 30.44%. This means that more than three in 10 smartphone
> users worldwide use an Apple phone."
>
> Ref:https://www.oberlo.com/statistics/smartphone-market-share
>
> HTH

So almost 70% choose otherwise...

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David
Web: https://www.satsignal.eu

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 by: David Brooks - Wed, 5 Jul 2023 09:59 UTC

On 05/07/2023 10:16, David Taylor wrote:
> On 05/07/2023 08:13, David Brooks wrote:
>> "The latest statistics on the smartphone market share worldwide show
>> that as of April 2023, US phone maker Apple leads the pack, with a
>> market share of 30.44%. This means that more than three in 10 smartphone
>> users worldwide use an Apple phone."
>>
>> Ref:https://www.oberlo.com/statistics/smartphone-market-share
>>
>> HTH
>
> So almost 70% choose otherwise...

Perhaps those 70% cannot afford the best.

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 by: geoff - Wed, 5 Jul 2023 10:04 UTC

On 5/07/2023 9:59 pm, David Brooks wrote:
> On 05/07/2023 10:16, David Taylor wrote:
>> On 05/07/2023 08:13, David Brooks wrote:
>>> "The latest statistics on the smartphone market share worldwide show
>>> that as of April 2023, US phone maker Apple leads the pack, with a
>>> market share of 30.44%. This means that more than three in 10 smartphone
>>> users worldwide use an Apple phone."
>>>
>>> Ref:https://www.oberlo.com/statistics/smartphone-market-share
>>>
>>> HTH
>>
>> So almost 70% choose otherwise...
>
> Perhaps those 70% cannot afford the best.
>

Perhaps they are not victims of the cunning advertising and chronic
upgrade syndrome. And prefer freer choice.

geoff

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 by: nospam - Wed, 5 Jul 2023 12:48 UTC

In article <BGCdnS1jmqa83Tj5nZ2dnZfqnPFj4p2d@giganews.com>, geoff
<geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:

> >>
> >> So almost 70% choose otherwise...

not when comparing like with like.

nearly all of that 70% are cheap android phones that lack key features
and don't last very long. comparing those with midrange and high end
android & iphones is not valid. further, mindlessly following the herd
and buying whatever the other 70% do is foolish.

but for those who focus on such numbers, it turns out that apple has
*eight* out of the top ten best selling smartphones worldwide. also
note that the two best selling samsung models aren't even samsung's
best phones (the s- series), but rather the lower cost a- series.

<https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnkoetsier/2023/03/07/apple-sold-8-of-th
e-top-10-best-selling-phones-of-2022/>
Apple sold the best-selling phone of 2022, the iPhone 13. Apple
also sold the second-best selling phone of 2022, the iPhone 13 Pro
Max. Apple also sold the third, fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth, and
ninth best-selling phones of the year, according to new data from
research firm Counterpoint. That's despite three of those phones
only being available for four months of the year

> > Perhaps those 70% cannot afford the best.
> >
>
> Perhaps they are not victims of the cunning advertising and chronic
> upgrade syndrome. And prefer freer choice.

what chromic upgrade syndrome? what choice is not free?

nobody is forcing anyone to buy anything. what actually happens is that
people overwhelmingly buy what fits their needs.

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 by: David Brooks - Wed, 5 Jul 2023 13:00 UTC

On 05/07/2023 13:48, nospam wrote:
> In article <BGCdnS1jmqa83Tj5nZ2dnZfqnPFj4p2d@giganews.com>, geoff
> <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>> So almost 70% choose otherwise...
>
> not when comparing like with like.
>
> nearly all of that 70% are cheap android phones that lack key features
> and don't last very long. comparing those with midrange and high end
> android & iphones is not valid. further, mindlessly following the herd
> and buying whatever the other 70% do is foolish.
>
> but for those who focus on such numbers, it turns out that apple has
> *eight* out of the top ten best selling smartphones worldwide. also
> note that the two best selling samsung models aren't even samsung's
> best phones (the s- series), but rather the lower cost a- series.
>
> <https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnkoetsier/2023/03/07/apple-sold-8-of-th
> e-top-10-best-selling-phones-of-2022/>
> Apple sold the best-selling phone of 2022, the iPhone 13. Apple
> also sold the second-best selling phone of 2022, the iPhone 13 Pro
> Max. Apple also sold the third, fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth, and
> ninth best-selling phones of the year, according to new data from
> research firm Counterpoint. That's despite three of those phones
> only being available for four months of the year
>
>>> Perhaps those 70% cannot afford the best.
>>>
>>
>> Perhaps they are not victims of the cunning advertising and chronic
>> upgrade syndrome. And prefer freer choice.
>
> what chromic upgrade syndrome? what choice is not free?
>
> nobody is forcing anyone to buy anything. what actually happens is that
> people overwhelmingly buy what fits their needs.

IAWTP :-D

It was inevitable that we would agree with one another at some stage!

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David

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On Jul 5, 2023 at 2:16:11 AM MST, "David Taylor" wrote
<u83ccr$d5f5$1@dont-email.me>:

> On 05/07/2023 08:13, David Brooks wrote:
>> "The latest statistics on the smartphone market share worldwide show
>> that as of April 2023, US phone maker Apple leads the pack, with a
>> market share of 30.44%. This means that more than three in 10 smartphone
>> users worldwide use an Apple phone."
>>
>> Ref:https://www.oberlo.com/statistics/smartphone-market-share
>>
>> HTH
>
> So almost 70% choose otherwise...

And?

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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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On Jul 5, 2023 at 2:59:11 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<P9bpM.6961$lzu4.808@fx04.iad>:

> On 05/07/2023 10:16, David Taylor wrote:
>> On 05/07/2023 08:13, David Brooks wrote:
>>> "The latest statistics on the smartphone market share worldwide show
>>> that as of April 2023, US phone maker Apple leads the pack, with a
>>> market share of 30.44%. This means that more than three in 10 smartphone
>>> users worldwide use an Apple phone."
>>>
>>> Ref:https://www.oberlo.com/statistics/smartphone-market-share
>>>
>>> HTH
>>
>> So almost 70% choose otherwise...
>
> Perhaps those 70% cannot afford the best.

Exactly. Many people get a much lower end. And then of the ones who go with
the higher end devices, MOST pick Apple.

Does not mean people are wrong to like Samsung or whatever... to each their
own. But Apple does very well.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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 by: Alfred Molon - Wed, 5 Jul 2023 16:20 UTC

Am 05.07.2023 um 11:59 schrieb David Brooks:
> On 05/07/2023 10:16, David Taylor wrote:
>> On 05/07/2023 08:13, David Brooks wrote:
>>> "The latest statistics on the smartphone market share worldwide show
>>> that as of April 2023, US phone maker Apple leads the pack, with a
>>> market share of 30.44%. This means that more than three in 10 smartphone
>>> users worldwide use an Apple phone."
>>>
>>> Ref:https://www.oberlo.com/statistics/smartphone-market-share
>>>
>>> HTH
>>
>> So almost 70% choose otherwise...
>
> Perhaps those 70% cannot afford the best.

For sure there are people who can't afford the most expensive devices.
Then there are people who can afford them, but don't want to spend so
much money.

The Samsung Fold looks cool for instance, but it costs more than I'm
willing to spend.
--
Alfred Molon

Olympus 4/3 and micro 4/3 cameras forum at
https://groups.io/g/myolympus
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In article <XKgpM.3181$GF_d.1605@fx15.ams1>, Alfred Molon
<alfred_molon@yahoo.com> wrote:

> The Samsung Fold looks cool for instance, but it costs more than I'm
> willing to spend.

folding phones are not particularly durable. the original review units
(from a few years ago) all failed within a day, causing samsung to
delay the product launch. more recent models are a little better, but
not all that much.

<https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/samsung-galaxy-z-fold-4-broken-scr
een-cracked/>
The Galaxy Z Fold 4 was revealed earlier this month with Samsung
promising that it can outlast 200,000 folds, but that wasn¹t the case
for one customer. Posted to Reddit, user u/Merzo1290 shared an
image of their brand-new Fold 4 that had broken just five hours after
picking it up. According to the poster, they opened the Fold 4 a
single time, heard a snap, and saw a devastating crack straight
down the middle on the hinge.

<https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/samsung-galaxy-z-fold-3-broken-scr
een-again-user-complaints/>
On Samsung¹s official community forum, multiple Galaxy Z Fold 3
owners have complained about a broken screen with nonfunctional
pixels or a huge dead zone. In some cases, the device was under
warranty. You can find the tale of grieving Galaxy Z Fold 3
customers, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, and here.
Similar stories have been narrated on Reddit, and PhoneArena has
received tips about breaking screens from its readers, too.

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 by: Joerg Lorenz - Wed, 5 Jul 2023 17:05 UTC

Am 05.07.23 um 12:04 schrieb geoff:
> On 5/07/2023 9:59 pm, David Brooks wrote:
>> On 05/07/2023 10:16, David Taylor wrote:
>>> On 05/07/2023 08:13, David Brooks wrote:
>>>> "The latest statistics on the smartphone market share worldwide show
>>>> that as of April 2023, US phone maker Apple leads the pack, with a
>>>> market share of 30.44%. This means that more than three in 10 smartphone
>>>> users worldwide use an Apple phone."
>>>>
>>>> Ref:https://www.oberlo.com/statistics/smartphone-market-share
>>>>
>>>> HTH
>>>
>>> So almost 70% choose otherwise...
>>
>> Perhaps those 70% cannot afford the best.
>>
>
> Perhaps they are not victims of the cunning advertising and chronic
> upgrade syndrome. And prefer freer choice.

Troll.

--
Prudentia potentia est

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 by: geoff - Wed, 5 Jul 2023 22:36 UTC

On 6/07/2023 5:05 am, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 05.07.23 um 12:04 schrieb geoff:
>> On 5/07/2023 9:59 pm, David Brooks wrote:
>>> On 05/07/2023 10:16, David Taylor wrote:
>>>> On 05/07/2023 08:13, David Brooks wrote:
>>>>> "The latest statistics on the smartphone market share worldwide show
>>>>> that as of April 2023, US phone maker Apple leads the pack, with a
>>>>> market share of 30.44%. This means that more than three in 10 smartphone
>>>>> users worldwide use an Apple phone."
>>>>>
>>>>> Ref:https://www.oberlo.com/statistics/smartphone-market-share
>>>>>
>>>>> HTH
>>>>
>>>> So almost 70% choose otherwise...
>>>
>>> Perhaps those 70% cannot afford the best.
>>>
>>
>> Perhaps they are not victims of the cunning advertising and chronic
>> upgrade syndrome. And prefer freer choice.
>
> Troll.
>

FU2 Georgie-boy.

Do you not concede that many Apple users become locked into an upgrade
path, and are sucked into a culture of their smug superiority (even if
based on fact) by clever advertising ? Of course you donm't. cos you're
a fan-boy.

Much the same as the likes of Bose in the audio world, which established
their firm presence in their case by largely by exaggerated advertising
of inferior products. And now make products that essentially need to be
destroyed in order to repair. Of course they are not alone in this, but
it is largely 'trendy' companies that push those products.

geoff

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> >>
> >> Perhaps they are not victims of the cunning advertising and chronic
> >> upgrade syndrome. And prefer freer choice.
> >
> > Troll.
> >
>
> FU2 Georgie-boy.
>
> Do you not concede that many Apple users become locked into an upgrade
> path, and are sucked into a culture of their smug superiority (even if
> based on fact) by clever advertising ? Of course you donm't. cos you're
> a fan-boy.

where did you get that crazy idea?

nobody is locked into anything, certainly not any upgrade path, nor is
there a culture of superiority.

the simple fact is that apple makes products people want to buy.

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 by: Sn!pe - Wed, 5 Jul 2023 23:32 UTC

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <6sOcndQDTMngbTj5nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com>, geoff
> <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
>
> > >>
> > >> Perhaps they are not victims of the cunning advertising and chronic
> > >> upgrade syndrome. And prefer freer choice.
> > >
> > > Troll.
> > >
> >
> > FU2 Georgie-boy.
> >
> > Do you not concede that many Apple users become locked into an upgrade
> > path, and are sucked into a culture of their smug superiority (even if
> > based on fact) by clever advertising ? Of course you donm't. cos you're
> > a fan-boy.
>
> where did you get that crazy idea?
>
> nobody is locked into anything, certainly not any upgrade path, nor is
> there a culture of superiority.
>
> the simple fact is that apple makes products people want to buy.
>

The thing that keeps me invested in Apple infrastructure is that
pretty much "everything just works". By that I mean that all the
constituent parts are designed to work together and in the great
majority of cases they do, generally with the minimum of hassle.

Add to that: ongoing tech. support; superior build quality and
engineering; an excellent operating system with easy to apply,
frequent security updates and yearly major version revisions,
all free.

Who in the Windows or Linux world can honestly say as much?

I've used both 'Doze and Linux in the past and I still keep both
in VMs on my Mac. I know what they're like and how frustrating
they can be.

You have to pay a premium price for all that; I tell you with hand
on heart, it's worth every penny.

--
^Ï^. – Sn!pe – <https://youtu.be/_kqytf31a8E>

My pet rock Gordon just is.

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 by: nospam - Wed, 5 Jul 2023 23:39 UTC

In article <1qdf7i8.3bu2myvqx8ziN%snipeco.2@gmail.com>, Sn!pe
<snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> The thing that keeps me invested in Apple infrastructure is that
> pretty much "everything just works". By that I mean that all the
> constituent parts are designed to work together and in the great
> majority of cases they do, generally with the minimum of hassle.
>
> Add to that: ongoing tech. support; superior build quality and
> engineering; an excellent operating system with easy to apply,
> frequent security updates and yearly major version revisions,
> all free.
>
> Who in the Windows or Linux world can honestly say as much?
>
> I've used both 'Doze and Linux in the past and I still keep both
> in VMs on my Mac. I know what they're like and how frustrating
> they can be.
>
> You have to pay a premium price for all that; I tell you with hand
> on heart, it's worth every penny.

there is no premium. that's a long standing easily debunked myth.

apple products are competitively priced, and in many cases, cheaper
than alternatives.

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 by: geoff - Thu, 6 Jul 2023 01:10 UTC

On 6/07/2023 10:47 am, nospam wrote:
> In article <6sOcndQDTMngbTj5nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com>, geoff
> <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps they are not victims of the cunning advertising and chronic
>>>> upgrade syndrome. And prefer freer choice.
>>>
>>> Troll.
>>>
>>
>> FU2 Georgie-boy.
>>
>> Do you not concede that many Apple users become locked into an upgrade
>> path, and are sucked into a culture of their smug superiority (even if
>> based on fact) by clever advertising ? Of course you donm't. cos you're
>> a fan-boy.
>
> where did you get that crazy idea?

From pretty much everybody I know who have iPhones.
>
> nobody is locked into anything, certainly not any upgrade path, nor is
> there a culture of superiority.

I disagree. The lock' is subliminal in many cases.
>
> the simple fact is that apple makes products people want to buy.

Yes. And so do other companies.

geoff

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 by: geoff - Thu, 6 Jul 2023 01:14 UTC

On 6/07/2023 11:32 am, Sn!pe wrote:
> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>> In article <6sOcndQDTMngbTj5nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com>, geoff
>> <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps they are not victims of the cunning advertising and chronic
>>>>> upgrade syndrome. And prefer freer choice.
>>>>
>>>> Troll.
>>>>
>>>
>>> FU2 Georgie-boy.
>>>
>>> Do you not concede that many Apple users become locked into an upgrade
>>> path, and are sucked into a culture of their smug superiority (even if
>>> based on fact) by clever advertising ? Of course you donm't. cos you're
>>> a fan-boy.
>>
>> where did you get that crazy idea?
>>
>> nobody is locked into anything, certainly not any upgrade path, nor is
>> there a culture of superiority.
>>
>> the simple fact is that apple makes products people want to buy.
>>
>
> The thing that keeps me invested in Apple infrastructure is that
> pretty much "everything just works". By that I mean that all the
> constituent parts are designed to work together and in the great
> majority of cases they do, generally with the minimum of hassle.

Yes, which is also a limiting factor in some respects.

>
> Add to that: ongoing tech. support; superior build quality and
> engineering; an excellent operating system with easy to apply,
> frequent security updates and yearly major version revisions,
> all free.

They need tech support ?!!!

>
> Who in the Windows or Linux world can honestly say as much?

I've never needed tech support from MS, or a hardware vendor.

>
> I've used both 'Doze and Linux in the past and I still keep both
> in VMs on my Mac. I know what they're like and how frustrating
> they can be.

Try native rather than VM then. Things had 'just worked' pretty much
since WinXP for me, even.

>
> You have to pay a premium price for all that; I tell you with hand
> on heart, it's worth every penny.
>

Pleased for you.

geoff

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