On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 2:13:52 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> On 8/17/2023 1:15 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 8:15:30 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >> On 8/16/2023 6:58 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 5:51:30 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>>> On 8/16/2023 5:48 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>> On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 5:25:59 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>>>>> On 8/16/2023 4:49 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 12:32:49 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 8/15/2023 12:29 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> it behaves like zero but is not.
> >>>>>>>>> .999 repeating plus an infinitesimal
> >>>>>>>>> sums to the first integer.
> >>>>>>>>> All integers are the same...
> >>>>>>>> Why do you think that negative numbers do not exist?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> A negative number is less than zero. Got it?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> There is nothing less than zero.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Zero quantity math wins.
> >>>>>> So you say 2 - 4 is not possible and any calculator that can compute it
> >>>>>> is wrong?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yes. That is its mistaken subtraction that is overshooting.
> >>>>> Can you compute it and how do you know it is right?
> >>>> Yes. 2 - 4 = -2 It is right because -2 + 4 = 2
> >>>
> >>> There is no negative 2. That is a subtraction in your equation instead.
> >> Four subtracted from two is negative two
> >
> > No. That is an overshoot of subtraction that does not apply.
> > There is nothing below 0.
> >
> What about charged objects, Roy? I can have an object with a charge of
> +2 coulombs, subtract 4 coulombs of charge from it and the result is the
> object charged with a charge of -2 coulombs. You won't answer the
> reality of negative electric charges.

Charge is a positive quantity of electrons.
Plasma cannot have a missing electron
only zero electrons. There is nothing below.

Mitchell Raemsch

On 8/17/2023 8:24 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 2:13:52 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
>> On 8/17/2023 1:15 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 8:15:30 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>> On 8/16/2023 6:58 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 5:51:30 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/16/2023 5:48 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 5:25:59 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8/16/2023 4:49 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 12:32:49 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 8/15/2023 12:29 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> it behaves like zero but is not.
>>>>>>>>>>> .999 repeating plus an infinitesimal
>>>>>>>>>>> sums to the first integer.
>>>>>>>>>>> All integers are the same...
>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think that negative numbers do not exist?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A negative number is less than zero. Got it?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is nothing less than zero.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Zero quantity math wins.
>>>>>>>> So you say 2 - 4 is not possible and any calculator that can compute it
>>>>>>>> is wrong?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes. That is its mistaken subtraction that is overshooting.
>>>>>>> Can you compute it and how do you know it is right?
>>>>>> Yes. 2 - 4 = -2 It is right because -2 + 4 = 2
>>>>>
>>>>> There is no negative 2. That is a subtraction in your equation instead.
>>>> Four subtracted from two is negative two
>>>
>>> No. That is an overshoot of subtraction that does not apply.
>>> There is nothing below 0.
>>>
>> What about charged objects, Roy? I can have an object with a charge of
>> +2 coulombs, subtract 4 coulombs of charge from it and the result is the
>> object charged with a charge of -2 coulombs. You won't answer the
>> reality of negative electric charges.
>
> Charge is a positive quantity of electrons.

Roy, you idiot! Electrons have a *negative* charge!! Protons have a
positive charge.

> Plasma cannot have a missing electron

Obviously you don't know what plasma is.

> only zero electrons. There is nothing below.

But it's easy to have a negative charge, Roy.

On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 8:06:46 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> On 8/17/2023 8:24 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 2:13:52 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> >> On 8/17/2023 1:15 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 8:15:30 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>>> On 8/16/2023 6:58 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>> On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 5:51:30 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>>>>> On 8/16/2023 5:48 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 5:25:59 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 8/16/2023 4:49 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 12:32:49 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On 8/15/2023 12:29 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> it behaves like zero but is not.
> >>>>>>>>>>> .999 repeating plus an infinitesimal
> >>>>>>>>>>> sums to the first integer.
> >>>>>>>>>>> All integers are the same...
> >>>>>>>>>> Why do you think that negative numbers do not exist?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> A negative number is less than zero. Got it?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> There is nothing less than zero.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Zero quantity math wins.
> >>>>>>>> So you say 2 - 4 is not possible and any calculator that can compute it
> >>>>>>>> is wrong?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Yes. That is its mistaken subtraction that is overshooting.
> >>>>>>> Can you compute it and how do you know it is right?
> >>>>>> Yes. 2 - 4 = -2 It is right because -2 + 4 = 2
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There is no negative 2. That is a subtraction in your equation instead.
> >>>> Four subtracted from two is negative two
> >>>
> >>> No. That is an overshoot of subtraction that does not apply.
> >>> There is nothing below 0.
> >>>
> >> What about charged objects, Roy? I can have an object with a charge of
> >> +2 coulombs, subtract 4 coulombs of charge from it and the result is the
> >> object charged with a charge of -2 coulombs. You won't answer the
> >> reality of negative electric charges.
> >
> > Charge is a positive quantity of electrons.
> Roy, you idiot! Electrons have a *negative* charge!! Protons have a
> positive charge.

What is their difference then?
How do you define what negative or positive charge is?

> > Plasma cannot have a missing electron
> Obviously you don't know what plasma is.
> > only zero electrons. There is nothing below.
> But it's easy to have a negative charge, Roy.

You don't ever have below zero electrons.

On 8/17/2023 11:20 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 8:06:46 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
>> On 8/17/2023 8:24 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 2:13:52 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
>>>> On 8/17/2023 1:15 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 8:15:30 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/16/2023 6:58 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 5:51:30 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8/16/2023 5:48 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 5:25:59 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 8/16/2023 4:49 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 12:32:49 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/15/2023 12:29 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it behaves like zero but is not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> .999 repeating plus an infinitesimal
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sums to the first integer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> All integers are the same...
>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think that negative numbers do not exist?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> A negative number is less than zero. Got it?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There is nothing less than zero.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Zero quantity math wins.
>>>>>>>>>> So you say 2 - 4 is not possible and any calculator that can compute it
>>>>>>>>>> is wrong?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes. That is its mistaken subtraction that is overshooting.
>>>>>>>>> Can you compute it and how do you know it is right?
>>>>>>>> Yes. 2 - 4 = -2 It is right because -2 + 4 = 2
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is no negative 2. That is a subtraction in your equation instead.
>>>>>> Four subtracted from two is negative two
>>>>>
>>>>> No. That is an overshoot of subtraction that does not apply.
>>>>> There is nothing below 0.
>>>>>
>>>> What about charged objects, Roy? I can have an object with a charge of
>>>> +2 coulombs, subtract 4 coulombs of charge from it and the result is the
>>>> object charged with a charge of -2 coulombs. You won't answer the
>>>> reality of negative electric charges.
>>>
>>> Charge is a positive quantity of electrons.
>> Roy, you idiot! Electrons have a *negative* charge!! Protons have a
>> positive charge.
>
> What is their difference then?

They are negatives of each other, Roy.

> How do you define what negative or positive charge is?

Part is chance, you could define electrons has having positive charge,
but then protons would have to have negative charge. (blame Benjamin
Franklin for getting that wrong). And you can *still* have a charged
object with a charge of +2 coulombs, take away 4 coulombs of charge from
it and have an object with a charge of -2 coulombs. Because 2 - 4 = -2.

>> But it's easy to have a negative charge, Roy.
>
> You don't ever have below zero electrons.

Irrelevant. You can still have a negative charge as well as a positive
charge. Because there are protons, as well as other charged particles.

On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 9:10:09 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> On 8/17/2023 11:20 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 8:06:46 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> >> On 8/17/2023 8:24 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 2:13:52 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> >>>> On 8/17/2023 1:15 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>> On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 8:15:30 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>>>>> On 8/16/2023 6:58 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 5:51:30 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 8/16/2023 5:48 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 5:25:59 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On 8/16/2023 4:49 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 12:32:49 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/15/2023 12:29 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> it behaves like zero but is not.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> .999 repeating plus an infinitesimal
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> sums to the first integer.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> All integers are the same...
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think that negative numbers do not exist?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> A negative number is less than zero. Got it?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> There is nothing less than zero.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Zero quantity math wins.
> >>>>>>>>>> So you say 2 - 4 is not possible and any calculator that can compute it
> >>>>>>>>>> is wrong?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Yes. That is its mistaken subtraction that is overshooting.
> >>>>>>>>> Can you compute it and how do you know it is right?
> >>>>>>>> Yes. 2 - 4 = -2 It is right because -2 + 4 = 2
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> There is no negative 2. That is a subtraction in your equation instead.
> >>>>>> Four subtracted from two is negative two
> >>>>>
> >>>>> No. That is an overshoot of subtraction that does not apply.
> >>>>> There is nothing below 0.
> >>>>>
> >>>> What about charged objects, Roy? I can have an object with a charge of
> >>>> +2 coulombs, subtract 4 coulombs of charge from it and the result is the
> >>>> object charged with a charge of -2 coulombs. You won't answer the
> >>>> reality of negative electric charges.

What does opposite force do?
You still have only a positive quantity of particles.

> >>>
> >>> Charge is a positive quantity of electrons.
> >> Roy, you idiot! Electrons have a *negative* charge!! Protons have a
> >> positive charge.
> >
> > What is their difference then?
> They are negatives of each other, Roy.
By label alone.
Which one is which?
So they are anti particles?
How do you know which is positive
and which is negative?
You can only label them that way.
No. You don't know what you are
talking about.

> > How do you define what negative or positive charge is?
> Part is chance, you could define electrons has having positive charge,

If anything is chance you don't have a case.
You label charges as negative. I am saying no below zero
by subtraction math. You can't take away more electrons
then were originally there.

> but then protons would have to have negative charge. (blame Benjamin
> Franklin for getting that wrong). And you can *still* have a charged
> object with a charge of +2 coulombs, take away 4 coulombs of charge from
> it and have an object with a charge of -2 coulombs. Because 2 - 4 = -2.
> >> But it's easy to have a negative charge, Roy.
> >
> > You don't ever have below zero electrons.
> Irrelevant. You can still have a negative charge as well as a positive
> charge. Because there are protons, as well as other charged particles.

There is nothing below zero.
Your negative charges are just labels.
It doesn't create any quantity below zero

On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 6:28:09 AM UTC+2, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 9:10:09 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> > On 8/17/2023 11:20 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 8:06:46 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> > >> On 8/17/2023 8:24 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >>> On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 2:13:52 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> > >>>> On 8/17/2023 1:15 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >>>>> On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 8:15:30 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > >>>>>> On 8/16/2023 6:58 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 5:51:30 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> On 8/16/2023 5:48 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 5:25:59 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>> On 8/16/2023 4:49 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 12:32:49 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/15/2023 12:29 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> it behaves like zero but is not.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> .999 repeating plus an infinitesimal
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> sums to the first integer.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> All integers are the same...
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think that negative numbers do not exist?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> A negative number is less than zero. Got it?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> There is nothing less than zero.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Zero quantity math wins.
> > >>>>>>>>>> So you say 2 - 4 is not possible and any calculator that can compute it
> > >>>>>>>>>> is wrong?
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Yes. That is its mistaken subtraction that is overshooting.
> > >>>>>>>>> Can you compute it and how do you know it is right?
> > >>>>>>>> Yes. 2 - 4 = -2 It is right because -2 + 4 = 2
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> There is no negative 2. That is a subtraction in your equation instead.
> > >>>>>> Four subtracted from two is negative two
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> No. That is an overshoot of subtraction that does not apply.
> > >>>>> There is nothing below 0.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> What about charged objects, Roy? I can have an object with a charge of
> > >>>> +2 coulombs, subtract 4 coulombs of charge from it and the result is the
> > >>>> object charged with a charge of -2 coulombs. You won't answer the
> > >>>> reality of negative electric charges.
> What does opposite force do?
> You still have only a positive quantity of particles.
> > >>> On
> > >>> Charge is a positive quantity of electrons.
> > >> Roy, you idiot! Electrons have a *negative* charge!! Protons have a
> > >> positive charge.
> > >
> > > What is their difference then?
> > They are negatives of each other, Roy.
> By label alone.
> Which one is which?
> So they are anti particles?
> How do you know which is positive
> and which is negative?
> You can only label them that way.
> No. You don't know what you are
> talking about.
> > > How do you define what negative or positive charge is?
> > Part is chance, you could define electrons has having positive charge,
> If anything is chance you don't have a case.
> You label charges as negative. I am saying no below zero
> by subtraction math. You can't take away more electrons
> then were originally there.
> > but then protons would have to have negative charge. (blame Benjamin
> > Franklin for getting that wrong). And you can *still* have a charged
> > object with a charge of +2 coulombs, take away 4 coulombs of charge from
> > it and have an object with a charge of -2 coulombs. Because 2 - 4 = -2.
> > >> But it's easy to have a negative charge, Roy.
> > >
> > > You don't ever have below zero electrons.
> > Irrelevant. You can still have a negative charge as well as a positive
> > charge. Because there are protons, as well as other charged particles.
> There is nothing below zero.
> Your negative charges are just labels.
> It doesn't create any quantity below zero

0 in physics is usually just a reference point. For example if you define an object to have 0 gravitational potential at Earth's surface, then as it moves into the ground, the gravitational potential becomes negative.

On 8/18/2023 12:28 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 9:10:09 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
>> On 8/17/2023 11:20 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 8:06:46 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
>>>> On 8/17/2023 8:24 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 2:13:52 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/17/2023 1:15 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 8:15:30 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8/16/2023 6:58 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 5:51:30 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 8/16/2023 5:48 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 5:25:59 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/16/2023 4:49 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 12:32:49 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/15/2023 12:29 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it behaves like zero but is not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .999 repeating plus an infinitesimal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sums to the first integer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All integers are the same...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think that negative numbers do not exist?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A negative number is less than zero. Got it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is nothing less than zero.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zero quantity math wins.
>>>>>>>>>>>> So you say 2 - 4 is not possible and any calculator that can compute it
>>>>>>>>>>>> is wrong?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. That is its mistaken subtraction that is overshooting.
>>>>>>>>>>> Can you compute it and how do you know it is right?
>>>>>>>>>> Yes. 2 - 4 = -2 It is right because -2 + 4 = 2
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is no negative 2. That is a subtraction in your equation instead.
>>>>>>>> Four subtracted from two is negative two
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No. That is an overshoot of subtraction that does not apply.
>>>>>>> There is nothing below 0.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> What about charged objects, Roy? I can have an object with a charge of
>>>>>> +2 coulombs, subtract 4 coulombs of charge from it and the result is the
>>>>>> object charged with a charge of -2 coulombs. You won't answer the
>>>>>> reality of negative electric charges.
>
> What does opposite force do?

What does that mean, Roy? What is a negative force? That's another
excellent example of the use of negative numbers. A negative force is
one that acts in a negative direction. Like if you define a repulsive
force as positive, an attractive force is negative. This fits well with
the concept of positive and negative charges and their effects on each
other.

> You still have only a positive quantity of particles.

Irrelevant. I am talking about positive and negative charges, not particles.
>
>>>>>
>>>>> Charge is a positive quantity of electrons.

>>>> Roy, you idiot! Electrons have a *negative* charge!! Protons have a
>>>> positive charge.
>>>
>>> What is their difference then?

>> They are negatives of each other, Roy.

> By label alone.

No, by their effects. Two positive charges repel each other, but a
positive and negative charge will attract. They do so using the
mathematics of negative numbers, so charges are an excellent example of
using negative numbers.

> Which one is which?

Because the mathematics is symmetrical, by convention. Benjamin Franklin
defined it but got it backwards from the obvious. It doesn't matter
since it's symmetrical.

> So they are anti particles?

Negatives of the charges is only one property which define an antiparticle.

> How do you know which is positive
> and which is negative?

Convention.

> You can only label them that way.

Because of the mathematics of negative numbers, the labels don't matter
as long as you're consistent.

>>> How do you define what negative or positive charge is?
>> Part is chance, you could define electrons has having positive charge,
>
> If anything is chance you don't have a case.

Nope. Defining a kilogram is convention. The unit of mass can be defined
to be anything and everything works after changing fundamental constants.

> You label charges as negative. I am saying no below zero
> by subtraction math.

And this is where you're wrong.

> You can't take away more electrons
> then were originally there.

But I can take away more charge than initially there, and the result is
a negative charge.

>>>> But it's easy to have a negative charge, Roy.
>>>
>>> You don't ever have below zero electrons.

>> Irrelevant. You can still have a negative charge as well as a positive
>> charge. Because there are protons, as well as other charged particles.
>
> There is nothing below zero.

And this is where you are wrong.

> Your negative charges are just labels.
> It doesn't create any quantity below zero

Yet if I redefine negative charges as positive, the positive charges all
become negative, so I *still* have negative charges! Change some
constants and physics works perfectly.

On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 7:29:28 AM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> On 8/18/2023 12:28 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 9:10:09 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> >> On 8/17/2023 11:20 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 8:06:46 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> >>>> On 8/17/2023 8:24 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>> On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 2:13:52 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> >>>>>> On 8/17/2023 1:15 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 8:15:30 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 8/16/2023 6:58 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 5:51:30 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On 8/16/2023 5:48 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 5:25:59 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/16/2023 4:49 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 12:32:49 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/15/2023 12:29 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it behaves like zero but is not.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .999 repeating plus an infinitesimal
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sums to the first integer.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All integers are the same...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think that negative numbers do not exist?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> A negative number is less than zero. Got it?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> There is nothing less than zero.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Zero quantity math wins.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> So you say 2 - 4 is not possible and any calculator that can compute it
> >>>>>>>>>>>> is wrong?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Yes. That is its mistaken subtraction that is overshooting.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Can you compute it and how do you know it is right?
> >>>>>>>>>> Yes. 2 - 4 = -2 It is right because -2 + 4 = 2
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> There is no negative 2. That is a subtraction in your equation instead.
> >>>>>>>> Four subtracted from two is negative two
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> No. That is an overshoot of subtraction that does not apply.
> >>>>>>> There is nothing below 0.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> What about charged objects, Roy? I can have an object with a charge of
> >>>>>> +2 coulombs, subtract 4 coulombs of charge from it and the result is the
> >>>>>> object charged with a charge of -2 coulombs. You won't answer the
> >>>>>> reality of negative electric charges.
> >
> > What does opposite force do?
> What does that mean, Roy? What is a negative force? That's another
> excellent example of the use of negative numbers. A negative force is
> one that acts in a negative direction. Like if you define a repulsive
> force as positive, an attractive force is negative. This fits well with
> the concept of positive and negative charges and their effects on each
> other.
> > You still have only a positive quantity of particles.
> Irrelevant. I am talking about positive and negative charges, not particles.
> >
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Charge is a positive quantity of electrons.
>
> >>>> Roy, you idiot! Electrons have a *negative* charge!! Protons have a
> >>>> positive charge.
> >>>
> >>> What is their difference then?
>
> >> They are negatives of each other, Roy.
>
> > By label alone.
> No, by their effects. Two positive charges repel each other, but a
> positive and negative charge will attract. They do so using the
> mathematics of negative numbers, so charges are an excellent example of
> using negative numbers.
>
> > Which one is which?
>
> Because the mathematics is symmetrical, by convention. Benjamin Franklin
> defined it but got it backwards from the obvious. It doesn't matter
> since it's symmetrical.
> > So they are anti particles?
> Negatives of the charges is only one property which define an antiparticle.
> > How do you know which is positive
> > and which is negative?
> Convention.
> > You can only label them that way.
> Because of the mathematics of negative numbers, the labels don't matter
> as long as you're consistent.
> >>> How do you define what negative or positive charge is?
> >> Part is chance, you could define electrons has having positive charge,
> >
> > If anything is chance you don't have a case.
> Nope. Defining a kilogram is convention. The unit of mass can be defined
> to be anything and everything works after changing fundamental constants.
> > You label charges as negative. I am saying no below zero
> > by subtraction math.
> And this is where you're wrong.
> > You can't take away more electrons
> > then were originally there.
> But I can take away more charge than initially there, and the result is
> a negative charge.
> >>>> But it's easy to have a negative charge, Roy.
> >>>
> >>> You don't ever have below zero electrons.
>
> >> Irrelevant. You can still have a negative charge as well as a positive
> >> charge. Because there are protons, as well as other charged particles.
> >
> > There is nothing below zero.
> And this is where you are wrong.
> > Your negative charges are just labels.
> > It doesn't create any quantity below zero
> Yet if I redefine negative charges as positive, the positive charges all
> become negative, so I *still* have negative charges! Change some
> constants and physics works perfectly.

There is no negative quantity in math. Only the subtraction...

On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 6:41:27 PM UTC+2, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 7:29:28 AM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> > On 8/18/2023 12:28 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 9:10:09 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> > >> On 8/17/2023 11:20 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >>> On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 8:06:46 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> > >>>> On 8/17/2023 8:24 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >>>>> On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 2:13:52 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> > >>>>>> On 8/17/2023 1:15 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 8:15:30 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> On 8/16/2023 6:58 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 5:51:30 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>> On 8/16/2023 5:48 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 5:25:59 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/16/2023 4:49 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 12:32:49 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/15/2023 12:29 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it behaves like zero but is not.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .999 repeating plus an infinitesimal
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sums to the first integer.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All integers are the same...
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think that negative numbers do not exist?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> A negative number is less than zero. Got it?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> There is nothing less than zero.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Zero quantity math wins.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> So you say 2 - 4 is not possible and any calculator that can compute it
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> is wrong?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Yes. That is its mistaken subtraction that is overshooting.
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Can you compute it and how do you know it is right?
> > >>>>>>>>>> Yes. 2 - 4 = -2 It is right because -2 + 4 = 2
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> There is no negative 2. That is a subtraction in your equation instead.
> > >>>>>>>> Four subtracted from two is negative two
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> No. That is an overshoot of subtraction that does not apply.
> > >>>>>>> There is nothing below 0.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>> What about charged objects, Roy? I can have an object with a charge of
> > >>>>>> +2 coulombs, subtract 4 coulombs of charge from it and the result is the
> > >>>>>> object charged with a charge of -2 coulombs. You won't answer the
> > >>>>>> reality of negative electric charges.
> > >
> > > What does opposite force do?
> > What does that mean, Roy? What is a negative force? That's another
> > excellent example of the use of negative numbers. A negative force is
> > one that acts in a negative direction. Like if you define a repulsive
> > force as positive, an attractive force is negative. This fits well with
> > the concept of positive and negative charges and their effects on each
> > other.
> > > You still have only a positive quantity of particles.
> > Irrelevant. I am talking about positive and negative charges, not particles.
> > >
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Charge is a positive quantity of electrons.
> >
> > >>>> Roy, you idiot! Electrons have a *negative* charge!! Protons have a
> > >>>> positive charge.
> > >>>
> > >>> What is their difference then?
> >
> > >> They are negatives of each other, Roy.
> >
> > > By label alone.
> > No, by their effects. Two positive charges repel each other, but a
> > positive and negative charge will attract. They do so using the
> > mathematics of negative numbers, so charges are an excellent example of
> > using negative numbers.
> >
> > > Which one is which?
> >
> > Because the mathematics is symmetrical, by convention. Benjamin Franklin
> > defined it but got it backwards from the obvious. It doesn't matter
> > since it's symmetrical.
> > > So they are anti particles?
> > Negatives of the charges is only one property which define an antiparticle.
> > > How do you know which is positive
> > > and which is negative?
> > Convention.
> > > You can only label them that way.
> > Because of the mathematics of negative numbers, the labels don't matter
> > as long as you're consistent.
> > >>> How do you define what negative or positive charge is?
> > >> Part is chance, you could define electrons has having positive charge,
> > >
> > > If anything is chance you don't have a case.
> > Nope. Defining a kilogram is convention. The unit of mass can be defined
> > to be anything and everything works after changing fundamental constants.
> > > You label charges as negative. I am saying no below zero
> > > by subtraction math.
> > And this is where you're wrong.
> > > You can't take away more electrons
> > > then were originally there.
> > But I can take away more charge than initially there, and the result is
> > a negative charge.
> > >>>> But it's easy to have a negative charge, Roy.
> > >>>
> > >>> You don't ever have below zero electrons.
> >
> > >> Irrelevant. You can still have a negative charge as well as a positive
> > >> charge. Because there are protons, as well as other charged particles.
> > >
> > > There is nothing below zero.
> > And this is where you are wrong.
> > > Your negative charges are just labels.
> > > It doesn't create any quantity below zero
> > Yet if I redefine negative charges as positive, the positive charges all
> > become negative, so I *still* have negative charges! Change some
> > constants and physics works perfectly.
> There is no negative quantity in math. Only the subtraction...

You ain't the CEO of math. If it's just a matter of interpretation, like Bayesian vs frequentist view on probability, then fine. But in your case pretending negative numbers don't exist has real consequences in analysis, like is -1 an element of R? if not then R isn't a field anymore.

If I misunderstood you and it really is a difference in interpretation, then it's a pointless discussion, math has no inherent meaning. All the meaning comes from the application. Words like 'quantity' on it's own is too vague to reason about.

On 8/18/2023 12:41 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:

> There is no negative quantity in math. Only the subtraction...

Sorry, Roy, no matter how much you whine, both positive and negative
charges exist, and they follow the mathematics of negative numbers.

They can be added: 3 coulombs + -5 coulombs = -2 coulombs.
They can be subtracted: 4 coulombs -7 coulombs = -3 coulombs.
They can be multiplied:
-2 coulombs * -3 coulombs = +6 units of force (repulsive)
+2 coulombs * -3 coulombs = -6 units of force (attractive)
+2 coulombs * +3 coulombs = +6 units of force (repulsive)

which is exactly how negative number math works. So negative numbers exist.

On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 2:22:49 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> On 8/18/2023 12:41 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > There is no negative quantity in math. Only the subtraction...
> Sorry, Roy, no matter how much you whine, both positive and negative
> charges exist, and they follow the mathematics of negative numbers.
>
> They can be added: 3 coulombs + -5 coulombs = -2 coulombs.
> They can be subtracted: 4 coulombs -7 coulombs = -3 coulombs.
> They can be multiplied:
> -2 coulombs * -3 coulombs = +6 units of force (repulsive)
> +2 coulombs * -3 coulombs = -6 units of force (attractive)
> +2 coulombs * +3 coulombs = +6 units of force (repulsive)
>
> which is exactly how negative number math works. So negative numbers exist.

Those are labels. They are not negative as quantities of charges.
There is zero magnitude and no quantity is below it.

mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 2:22:49 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
>> which is exactly how negative number math works. So negative numbers
>> exist.
>
> Those are labels. They are not negative as quantities of charges.
> There is zero magnitude and no quantity is below it.

absolutely, this volney electrician can't discern quantities from labels
and properties. Today I saw something flying in the sky, no idea what it
was.

first I was like sure it was a quadruple drone from the people, but it
look like a large sock or boomerang. No motor or other visible. Maybe one
or two meters in size, turning left and right, got away in kilometers.
That can't be a drone.

On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 1:45:11 AM UTC+2, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 2:22:49 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> > On 8/18/2023 12:41 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > There is no negative quantity in math. Only the subtraction...
> > Sorry, Roy, no matter how much you whine, both positive and negative
> > charges exist, and they follow the mathematics of negative numbers.
> >
> > They can be added: 3 coulombs + -5 coulombs = -2 coulombs.
> > They can be subtracted: 4 coulombs -7 coulombs = -3 coulombs.
> > They can be multiplied:
> > -2 coulombs * -3 coulombs = +6 units of force (repulsive)
> > +2 coulombs * -3 coulombs = -6 units of force (attractive)
> > +2 coulombs * +3 coulombs = +6 units of force (repulsive)
> >
> > which is exactly how negative number math works. So negative numbers exist.
> Those are labels. They are not negative as quantities of charges.
> There is zero magnitude and no quantity is below it.

Can you give an exact definition of label and quantity?

On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 5:10:29 PM UTC-7, Kevin S wrote:
> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 1:45:11 AM UTC+2, mitchr...@gmail..com wrote:
> > On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 2:22:49 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> > > On 8/18/2023 12:41 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > There is no negative quantity in math. Only the subtraction...
> > > Sorry, Roy, no matter how much you whine, both positive and negative
> > > charges exist, and they follow the mathematics of negative numbers.
> > >
> > > They can be added: 3 coulombs + -5 coulombs = -2 coulombs.
> > > They can be subtracted: 4 coulombs -7 coulombs = -3 coulombs.
> > > They can be multiplied:
> > > -2 coulombs * -3 coulombs = +6 units of force (repulsive)
> > > +2 coulombs * -3 coulombs = -6 units of force (attractive)
> > > +2 coulombs * +3 coulombs = +6 units of force (repulsive)
> > >
> > > which is exactly how negative number math works. So negative numbers exist.
> > Those are labels. They are not negative as quantities of charges.
> > There is zero magnitude and no quantity is below it.
> Can you give an exact definition of label and quantity?
What are you having a problem with?
They both are numbers.

On 8/18/2023 4:45 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 2:22:49 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
>> On 8/18/2023 12:41 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> There is no negative quantity in math. Only the subtraction...
>> Sorry, Roy, no matter how much you whine, both positive and negative
>> charges exist, and they follow the mathematics of negative numbers.
>>
>> They can be added: 3 coulombs + -5 coulombs = -2 coulombs.
>> They can be subtracted: 4 coulombs -7 coulombs = -3 coulombs.
>> They can be multiplied:
>> -2 coulombs * -3 coulombs = +6 units of force (repulsive)
>> +2 coulombs * -3 coulombs = -6 units of force (attractive)
>> +2 coulombs * +3 coulombs = +6 units of force (repulsive)
>>
>> which is exactly how negative number math works. So negative numbers exist.
>
> Those are labels. They are not negative as quantities of charges.
> There is zero magnitude and no quantity is below it.

Tell that to the bank? Check your account and see if overdraft is enabled.

On 8/18/2023 5:10 PM, Kevin S wrote:
> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 1:45:11 AM UTC+2, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 2:22:49 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
>>> On 8/18/2023 12:41 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> There is no negative quantity in math. Only the subtraction...
>>> Sorry, Roy, no matter how much you whine, both positive and negative
>>> charges exist, and they follow the mathematics of negative numbers.
>>>
>>> They can be added: 3 coulombs + -5 coulombs = -2 coulombs.
>>> They can be subtracted: 4 coulombs -7 coulombs = -3 coulombs.
>>> They can be multiplied:
>>> -2 coulombs * -3 coulombs = +6 units of force (repulsive)
>>> +2 coulombs * -3 coulombs = -6 units of force (attractive)
>>> +2 coulombs * +3 coulombs = +6 units of force (repulsive)
>>>
>>> which is exactly how negative number math works. So negative numbers exist.
>> Those are labels. They are not negative as quantities of charges.
>> There is zero magnitude and no quantity is below it.
>
> Can you give an exact definition of label and quantity?

-2 is negative, and its two units "below" zero... Usually to the left of
zero? ;^)

-2<----1<----<0>---->1---->2

? A number line?

On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 7:32:12 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 8/18/2023 5:10 PM, Kevin S wrote:
> > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 1:45:11 AM UTC+2, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 2:22:49 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> >>> On 8/18/2023 12:41 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> There is no negative quantity in math. Only the subtraction...
> >>> Sorry, Roy, no matter how much you whine, both positive and negative
> >>> charges exist, and they follow the mathematics of negative numbers.
> >>>
> >>> They can be added: 3 coulombs + -5 coulombs = -2 coulombs.
> >>> They can be subtracted: 4 coulombs -7 coulombs = -3 coulombs.
> >>> They can be multiplied:
> >>> -2 coulombs * -3 coulombs = +6 units of force (repulsive)
> >>> +2 coulombs * -3 coulombs = -6 units of force (attractive)
> >>> +2 coulombs * +3 coulombs = +6 units of force (repulsive)
> >>>
> >>> which is exactly how negative number math works. So negative numbers exist.
> >> Those are labels. They are not negative as quantities of charges.
> >> There is zero magnitude and no quantity is below it.
> >
> > Can you give an exact definition of label and quantity?
> -2 is negative, and its two units "below" zero... Usually to the left of
> zero? ;^)
>
> -2<----1<----<0>---->1---->2
>
> ? A number line?

There is no negative quantity on a quantity line.

On 8/18/2023 7:58 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 7:32:12 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> On 8/18/2023 5:10 PM, Kevin S wrote:
>>> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 1:45:11 AM UTC+2, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 2:22:49 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
>>>>> On 8/18/2023 12:41 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> There is no negative quantity in math. Only the subtraction...
>>>>> Sorry, Roy, no matter how much you whine, both positive and negative
>>>>> charges exist, and they follow the mathematics of negative numbers.
>>>>>
>>>>> They can be added: 3 coulombs + -5 coulombs = -2 coulombs.
>>>>> They can be subtracted: 4 coulombs -7 coulombs = -3 coulombs.
>>>>> They can be multiplied:
>>>>> -2 coulombs * -3 coulombs = +6 units of force (repulsive)
>>>>> +2 coulombs * -3 coulombs = -6 units of force (attractive)
>>>>> +2 coulombs * +3 coulombs = +6 units of force (repulsive)
>>>>>
>>>>> which is exactly how negative number math works. So negative numbers exist.
>>>> Those are labels. They are not negative as quantities of charges.
>>>> There is zero magnitude and no quantity is below it.
>>>
>>> Can you give an exact definition of label and quantity?
>> -2 is negative, and its two units "below" zero... Usually to the left of
>> zero? ;^)
>>
>> -2<----1<----<0>---->1---->2
>>
>> ? A number line?
>
> There is no negative quantity on a quantity line.

-2...-1...0...1...2

x axis, negative goes left, positive goes right. Fair enough?

Are trying to tell me that you have never seen one of these before? A
number line?

On 8/18/2023 10:58 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 7:32:12 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> On 8/18/2023 5:10 PM, Kevin S wrote:
>>> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 1:45:11 AM UTC+2, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 2:22:49 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
>>>>> On 8/18/2023 12:41 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> There is no negative quantity in math. Only the subtraction...
>>>>> Sorry, Roy, no matter how much you whine, both positive and negative
>>>>> charges exist, and they follow the mathematics of negative numbers.
>>>>>
>>>>> They can be added: 3 coulombs + -5 coulombs = -2 coulombs.
>>>>> They can be subtracted: 4 coulombs -7 coulombs = -3 coulombs.
>>>>> They can be multiplied:
>>>>> -2 coulombs * -3 coulombs = +6 units of force (repulsive)
>>>>> +2 coulombs * -3 coulombs = -6 units of force (attractive)
>>>>> +2 coulombs * +3 coulombs = +6 units of force (repulsive)
>>>>>
>>>>> which is exactly how negative number math works. So negative numbers exist.
>>>> Those are labels. They are not negative as quantities of charges.
>>>> There is zero magnitude and no quantity is below it.
>>>
>>> Can you give an exact definition of label and quantity?
>> -2 is negative, and its two units "below" zero... Usually to the left of
>> zero? ;^)
>>
>> -2<----1<----<0>---->1---->2
>>
>> ? A number line?
>
> There is no negative quantity on a quantity line.

But there are negative numbers on a number line. And you can do the math
of negative numbers with them, or represent negative electric charges etc.

On 8/18/2023 7:58 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 7:32:12 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> On 8/18/2023 5:10 PM, Kevin S wrote:
>>> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 1:45:11 AM UTC+2, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 2:22:49 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
>>>>> On 8/18/2023 12:41 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> There is no negative quantity in math. Only the subtraction...
>>>>> Sorry, Roy, no matter how much you whine, both positive and negative
>>>>> charges exist, and they follow the mathematics of negative numbers.
>>>>>
>>>>> They can be added: 3 coulombs + -5 coulombs = -2 coulombs.
>>>>> They can be subtracted: 4 coulombs -7 coulombs = -3 coulombs.
>>>>> They can be multiplied:
>>>>> -2 coulombs * -3 coulombs = +6 units of force (repulsive)
>>>>> +2 coulombs * -3 coulombs = -6 units of force (attractive)
>>>>> +2 coulombs * +3 coulombs = +6 units of force (repulsive)
>>>>>
>>>>> which is exactly how negative number math works. So negative numbers exist.
>>>> Those are labels. They are not negative as quantities of charges.
>>>> There is zero magnitude and no quantity is below it.
>>>
>>> Can you give an exact definition of label and quantity?
>> -2 is negative, and its two units "below" zero... Usually to the left of
>> zero? ;^)
>>
>> -2<----1<----<0>---->1---->2
>>
>> ? A number line?
>
> There is no negative quantity on a quantity line.

2 - (-2) = 2 + 2 = 4

On 8/18/2023 9:54 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 8/18/2023 7:58 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 7:32:12 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>> On 8/18/2023 5:10 PM, Kevin S wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 1:45:11 AM UTC+2,
>>>> mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 2:22:49 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/18/2023 12:41 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is no negative quantity in math. Only the subtraction...
>>>>>> Sorry, Roy, no matter how much you whine, both positive and negative
>>>>>> charges exist, and they follow the mathematics of negative numbers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They can be added: 3 coulombs + -5 coulombs = -2 coulombs.
>>>>>> They can be subtracted: 4 coulombs -7 coulombs = -3 coulombs.
>>>>>> They can be multiplied:
>>>>>> -2 coulombs * -3 coulombs = +6 units of force (repulsive)
>>>>>> +2 coulombs * -3 coulombs = -6 units of force (attractive)
>>>>>> +2 coulombs * +3 coulombs = +6 units of force (repulsive)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> which is exactly how negative number math works. So negative
>>>>>> numbers exist.
>>>>> Those are labels. They are not negative as quantities of charges.
>>>>> There is zero magnitude and no quantity is below it.
>>>>
>>>> Can you give an exact definition of label and quantity?
>>> -2 is negative, and its two units "below" zero... Usually to the left of
>>> zero? ;^)
>>>
>>> -2<----1<----<0>---->1---->2
>>>
>>> ? A number line?
>>
>> There is no negative quantity on a quantity line.
>
> 2 - (-2) = 2 + 2 = 4
>
>

4 is the normal distance between -2 and 2. See?

-2 + 4 * .5 is half way across at zero... :^)

See?

On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 8:16:04 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 8/18/2023 7:58 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 7:32:12 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >> On 8/18/2023 5:10 PM, Kevin S wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 1:45:11 AM UTC+2, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 2:22:49 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> >>>>> On 8/18/2023 12:41 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> There is no negative quantity in math. Only the subtraction...
> >>>>> Sorry, Roy, no matter how much you whine, both positive and negative
> >>>>> charges exist, and they follow the mathematics of negative numbers.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> They can be added: 3 coulombs + -5 coulombs = -2 coulombs.
> >>>>> They can be subtracted: 4 coulombs -7 coulombs = -3 coulombs.
> >>>>> They can be multiplied:
> >>>>> -2 coulombs * -3 coulombs = +6 units of force (repulsive)
> >>>>> +2 coulombs * -3 coulombs = -6 units of force (attractive)
> >>>>> +2 coulombs * +3 coulombs = +6 units of force (repulsive)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> which is exactly how negative number math works. So negative numbers exist.
> >>>> Those are labels. They are not negative as quantities of charges.
> >>>> There is zero magnitude and no quantity is below it.
> >>>
> >>> Can you give an exact definition of label and quantity?
> >> -2 is negative, and its two units "below" zero... Usually to the left of
> >> zero? ;^)
> >>
> >> -2<----1<----<0>---->1---->2
> >>
> >> ? A number line?
> >
> > There is no negative quantity on a quantity line.
> -2...-1...0...1...2
>
> x axis, negative goes left, positive goes right. Fair enough?
>
> Are trying to tell me that you have never seen one of these before? A
> number line?

If you subtract to zero what is left to take?

On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:17:26 PM UTC+2, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 8:16:04 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > On 8/18/2023 7:58 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 7:32:12 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > >> On 8/18/2023 5:10 PM, Kevin S wrote:
> > >>> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 1:45:11 AM UTC+2, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >>>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 2:22:49 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> > >>>>> On 8/18/2023 12:41 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> There is no negative quantity in math. Only the subtraction...
> > >>>>> Sorry, Roy, no matter how much you whine, both positive and negative
> > >>>>> charges exist, and they follow the mathematics of negative numbers.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> They can be added: 3 coulombs + -5 coulombs = -2 coulombs.
> > >>>>> They can be subtracted: 4 coulombs -7 coulombs = -3 coulombs.
> > >>>>> They can be multiplied:
> > >>>>> -2 coulombs * -3 coulombs = +6 units of force (repulsive)
> > >>>>> +2 coulombs * -3 coulombs = -6 units of force (attractive)
> > >>>>> +2 coulombs * +3 coulombs = +6 units of force (repulsive)
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> which is exactly how negative number math works. So negative numbers exist.
> > >>>> Those are labels. They are not negative as quantities of charges.
> > >>>> There is zero magnitude and no quantity is below it.
> > >>>
> > >>> Can you give an exact definition of label and quantity?
> > >> -2 is negative, and its two units "below" zero... Usually to the left of
> > >> zero? ;^)
> > >>
> > >> -2<----1<----<0>---->1---->2
> > >>
> > >> ? A number line?
> > >
> > > There is no negative quantity on a quantity line.
> > -2...-1...0...1...2
> >
> > x axis, negative goes left, positive goes right. Fair enough?
> >
> > Are trying to tell me that you have never seen one of these before? A
> > number line?
> If you subtract to zero what is left to take?

Kid you still in primary school?

On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:35:00 AM UTC-7, Kevin S wrote:
> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:17:26 PM UTC+2, mitchr...@gmail..com wrote:
> > On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 8:16:04 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > On 8/18/2023 7:58 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 7:32:12 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > >> On 8/18/2023 5:10 PM, Kevin S wrote:
> > > >>> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 1:45:11 AM UTC+2, mitchr....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >>>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 2:22:49 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> > > >>>>> On 8/18/2023 12:41 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> There is no negative quantity in math. Only the subtraction...
> > > >>>>> Sorry, Roy, no matter how much you whine, both positive and negative
> > > >>>>> charges exist, and they follow the mathematics of negative numbers.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> They can be added: 3 coulombs + -5 coulombs = -2 coulombs.
> > > >>>>> They can be subtracted: 4 coulombs -7 coulombs = -3 coulombs.
> > > >>>>> They can be multiplied:
> > > >>>>> -2 coulombs * -3 coulombs = +6 units of force (repulsive)
> > > >>>>> +2 coulombs * -3 coulombs = -6 units of force (attractive)
> > > >>>>> +2 coulombs * +3 coulombs = +6 units of force (repulsive)
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> which is exactly how negative number math works. So negative numbers exist.
> > > >>>> Those are labels. They are not negative as quantities of charges..
> > > >>>> There is zero magnitude and no quantity is below it.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Can you give an exact definition of label and quantity?
> > > >> -2 is negative, and its two units "below" zero... Usually to the left of
> > > >> zero? ;^)
> > > >>
> > > >> -2<----1<----<0>---->1---->2
> > > >>
> > > >> ? A number line?
> > > >
> > > > There is no negative quantity on a quantity line.
> > > -2...-1...0...1...2
> > >
> > > x axis, negative goes left, positive goes right. Fair enough?
> > >
> > > Are trying to tell me that you have never seen one of these before? A
> > > number line?
> > If you subtract to zero what is left to take?
> Kid you still in primary school?

That math happens to be real.
What can you subtract from that is not a quantity?

On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:49:22 PM UTC+2, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:35:00 AM UTC-7, Kevin S wrote:
> > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:17:26 PM UTC+2, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 8:16:04 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > On 8/18/2023 7:58 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 7:32:12 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > >> On 8/18/2023 5:10 PM, Kevin S wrote:
> > > > >>> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 1:45:11 AM UTC+2, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > >>>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 2:22:49 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> > > > >>>>> On 8/18/2023 12:41 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> There is no negative quantity in math. Only the subtraction....
> > > > >>>>> Sorry, Roy, no matter how much you whine, both positive and negative
> > > > >>>>> charges exist, and they follow the mathematics of negative numbers.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> They can be added: 3 coulombs + -5 coulombs = -2 coulombs.
> > > > >>>>> They can be subtracted: 4 coulombs -7 coulombs = -3 coulombs.
> > > > >>>>> They can be multiplied:
> > > > >>>>> -2 coulombs * -3 coulombs = +6 units of force (repulsive)
> > > > >>>>> +2 coulombs * -3 coulombs = -6 units of force (attractive)
> > > > >>>>> +2 coulombs * +3 coulombs = +6 units of force (repulsive)
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> which is exactly how negative number math works. So negative numbers exist.
> > > > >>>> Those are labels. They are not negative as quantities of charges.
> > > > >>>> There is zero magnitude and no quantity is below it.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Can you give an exact definition of label and quantity?
> > > > >> -2 is negative, and its two units "below" zero... Usually to the left of
> > > > >> zero? ;^)
> > > > >>
> > > > >> -2<----1<----<0>---->1---->2
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ? A number line?
> > > > >
> > > > > There is no negative quantity on a quantity line.
> > > > -2...-1...0...1...2
> > > >
> > > > x axis, negative goes left, positive goes right. Fair enough?
> > > >
> > > > Are trying to tell me that you have never seen one of these before? A
> > > > number line?
> > > If you subtract to zero what is left to take?
> > Kid you still in primary school?
> That math happens to be real.
> What can you subtract from that is not a quantity?

wtf is a quantity, sounds like a loaded term