On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:53:54 PM UTC-7, Kevin S wrote:
> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:49:22 PM UTC+2, mitchr...@gmail..com wrote:
> > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:35:00 AM UTC-7, Kevin S wrote:
> > > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:17:26 PM UTC+2, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 8:16:04 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > On 8/18/2023 7:58 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 7:32:12 PM UTC-7, Chris M.. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > >> On 8/18/2023 5:10 PM, Kevin S wrote:
> > > > > >>> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 1:45:11 AM UTC+2, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > >>>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 2:22:49 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> > > > > >>>>> On 8/18/2023 12:41 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> There is no negative quantity in math. Only the subtraction...
> > > > > >>>>> Sorry, Roy, no matter how much you whine, both positive and negative
> > > > > >>>>> charges exist, and they follow the mathematics of negative numbers.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> They can be added: 3 coulombs + -5 coulombs = -2 coulombs..
> > > > > >>>>> They can be subtracted: 4 coulombs -7 coulombs = -3 coulombs.
> > > > > >>>>> They can be multiplied:
> > > > > >>>>> -2 coulombs * -3 coulombs = +6 units of force (repulsive)
> > > > > >>>>> +2 coulombs * -3 coulombs = -6 units of force (attractive)
> > > > > >>>>> +2 coulombs * +3 coulombs = +6 units of force (repulsive)
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> which is exactly how negative number math works. So negative numbers exist.
> > > > > >>>> Those are labels. They are not negative as quantities of charges.
> > > > > >>>> There is zero magnitude and no quantity is below it.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Can you give an exact definition of label and quantity?
> > > > > >> -2 is negative, and its two units "below" zero... Usually to the left of
> > > > > >> zero? ;^)
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> -2<----1<----<0>---->1---->2
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> ? A number line?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There is no negative quantity on a quantity line.
> > > > > -2...-1...0...1...2
> > > > >
> > > > > x axis, negative goes left, positive goes right. Fair enough?
> > > > >
> > > > > Are trying to tell me that you have never seen one of these before? A
> > > > > number line?
> > > > If you subtract to zero what is left to take?
> > > Kid you still in primary school?
> > That math happens to be real.
> > What can you subtract from that is not a quantity?
> wtf is a quantity, sounds like a loaded term

It is a number you moron.
Like zero is in math.

Mitchell Raemsch

On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:53:54 PM UTC-7, Kevin S wrote:
> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:49:22 PM UTC+2, mitchr...@gmail..com wrote:
> > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:35:00 AM UTC-7, Kevin S wrote:
> > > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:17:26 PM UTC+2, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 8:16:04 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > On 8/18/2023 7:58 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 7:32:12 PM UTC-7, Chris M.. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > >> On 8/18/2023 5:10 PM, Kevin S wrote:
> > > > > >>> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 1:45:11 AM UTC+2, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > >>>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 2:22:49 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> > > > > >>>>> On 8/18/2023 12:41 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> There is no negative quantity in math. Only the subtraction...
> > > > > >>>>> Sorry, Roy, no matter how much you whine, both positive and negative
> > > > > >>>>> charges exist, and they follow the mathematics of negative numbers.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> They can be added: 3 coulombs + -5 coulombs = -2 coulombs..
> > > > > >>>>> They can be subtracted: 4 coulombs -7 coulombs = -3 coulombs.
> > > > > >>>>> They can be multiplied:
> > > > > >>>>> -2 coulombs * -3 coulombs = +6 units of force (repulsive)
> > > > > >>>>> +2 coulombs * -3 coulombs = -6 units of force (attractive)
> > > > > >>>>> +2 coulombs * +3 coulombs = +6 units of force (repulsive)
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> which is exactly how negative number math works. So negative numbers exist.
> > > > > >>>> Those are labels. They are not negative as quantities of charges.
> > > > > >>>> There is zero magnitude and no quantity is below it.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Can you give an exact definition of label and quantity?
> > > > > >> -2 is negative, and its two units "below" zero... Usually to the left of
> > > > > >> zero? ;^)
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> -2<----1<----<0>---->1---->2
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> ? A number line?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There is no negative quantity on a quantity line.
> > > > > -2...-1...0...1...2
> > > > >
> > > > > x axis, negative goes left, positive goes right. Fair enough?
> > > > >
> > > > > Are trying to tell me that you have never seen one of these before? A
> > > > > number line?
> > > > If you subtract to zero what is left to take?
> > > Kid you still in primary school?
> > That math happens to be real.
> > What can you subtract from that is not a quantity?
> wtf is a quantity, sounds like a loaded term

"Quantity" can be a loaded term, for a variety of reasons.

For example, there are "scientific numbers", measurements are approximations,
significant digits and so on.

For example, there are "dimensionless numbers", what happen though to be
simply for algebra having canceled units.

For example, there are "notation conventions", where what results a "quantity"
carries with it algebraic baggage, that results it's not a plain quantity.

Whatever aren't "whole numbers", in quantities, or "perfect quantities",
...., are in a sense "loaded", loaded with implicit convention.

Otherwise it usually means "value", as of an expression,
and quantitative numerically, as after arithmetic, and values,
not necessarily "only qualitative" nor "meaningless symbolry".

So, "quantities", live in the overall derivations of their entire contexts.
Some contexts are well-defined, some aren't.

On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 1:58:46 PM UTC-7, Ross Finlayson wrote:
> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:53:54 PM UTC-7, Kevin S wrote:
> > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:49:22 PM UTC+2, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:35:00 AM UTC-7, Kevin S wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:17:26 PM UTC+2, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 8:16:04 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > > On 8/18/2023 7:58 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 7:32:12 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > > >> On 8/18/2023 5:10 PM, Kevin S wrote:
> > > > > > >>> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 1:45:11 AM UTC+2, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > >>>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 2:22:49 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>> On 8/18/2023 12:41 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> There is no negative quantity in math. Only the subtraction...
> > > > > > >>>>> Sorry, Roy, no matter how much you whine, both positive and negative
> > > > > > >>>>> charges exist, and they follow the mathematics of negative numbers.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> They can be added: 3 coulombs + -5 coulombs = -2 coulombs.
> > > > > > >>>>> They can be subtracted: 4 coulombs -7 coulombs = -3 coulombs.
> > > > > > >>>>> They can be multiplied:
> > > > > > >>>>> -2 coulombs * -3 coulombs = +6 units of force (repulsive)
> > > > > > >>>>> +2 coulombs * -3 coulombs = -6 units of force (attractive)
> > > > > > >>>>> +2 coulombs * +3 coulombs = +6 units of force (repulsive)
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> which is exactly how negative number math works. So negative numbers exist.
> > > > > > >>>> Those are labels. They are not negative as quantities of charges.
> > > > > > >>>> There is zero magnitude and no quantity is below it.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Can you give an exact definition of label and quantity?
> > > > > > >> -2 is negative, and its two units "below" zero... Usually to the left of
> > > > > > >> zero? ;^)
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> -2<----1<----<0>---->1---->2
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> ? A number line?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There is no negative quantity on a quantity line.
> > > > > > -2...-1...0...1...2
> > > > > >
> > > > > > x axis, negative goes left, positive goes right. Fair enough?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Are trying to tell me that you have never seen one of these before? A
> > > > > > number line?
> > > > > If you subtract to zero what is left to take?
> > > > Kid you still in primary school?
> > > That math happens to be real.
> > > What can you subtract from that is not a quantity?
> > wtf is a quantity, sounds like a loaded term
> "Quantity" can be a loaded term, for a variety of reasons.

Why is math known to be the "quantitative thinking?"
No. Numbers are names given to quantity...
Zero is for the absence of it.

On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 11:02:20 PM UTC+2, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 1:58:46 PM UTC-7, Ross Finlayson wrote:
> > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:53:54 PM UTC-7, Kevin S wrote:
> > > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:49:22 PM UTC+2, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:35:00 AM UTC-7, Kevin S wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:17:26 PM UTC+2, mitchr....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 8:16:04 PM UTC-7, Chris M.. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > > > On 8/18/2023 7:58 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 7:32:12 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > > > >> On 8/18/2023 5:10 PM, Kevin S wrote:
> > > > > > > >>> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 1:45:11 AM UTC+2, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 2:22:49 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>> On 8/18/2023 12:41 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>> There is no negative quantity in math. Only the subtraction...
> > > > > > > >>>>> Sorry, Roy, no matter how much you whine, both positive and negative
> > > > > > > >>>>> charges exist, and they follow the mathematics of negative numbers.
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> They can be added: 3 coulombs + -5 coulombs = -2 coulombs.
> > > > > > > >>>>> They can be subtracted: 4 coulombs -7 coulombs = -3 coulombs.
> > > > > > > >>>>> They can be multiplied:
> > > > > > > >>>>> -2 coulombs * -3 coulombs = +6 units of force (repulsive)
> > > > > > > >>>>> +2 coulombs * -3 coulombs = -6 units of force (attractive)
> > > > > > > >>>>> +2 coulombs * +3 coulombs = +6 units of force (repulsive)
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> which is exactly how negative number math works. So negative numbers exist.
> > > > > > > >>>> Those are labels. They are not negative as quantities of charges.
> > > > > > > >>>> There is zero magnitude and no quantity is below it.
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> Can you give an exact definition of label and quantity?
> > > > > > > >> -2 is negative, and its two units "below" zero... Usually to the left of
> > > > > > > >> zero? ;^)
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> -2<----1<----<0>---->1---->2
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> ? A number line?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > There is no negative quantity on a quantity line.
> > > > > > > -2...-1...0...1...2
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > x axis, negative goes left, positive goes right. Fair enough?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Are trying to tell me that you have never seen one of these before? A
> > > > > > > number line?
> > > > > > If you subtract to zero what is left to take?
> > > > > Kid you still in primary school?
> > > > That math happens to be real.
> > > > What can you subtract from that is not a quantity?
> > > wtf is a quantity, sounds like a loaded term
> > "Quantity" can be a loaded term, for a variety of reasons.
> Why is math known to be the "quantitative thinking?"
> No. Numbers are names given to quantity...
> Zero is for the absence of it.

But when I asked for the definition of quantitiy, you said it's a number. And so substituting the definition, you sentence translates to Numbers are names given to numbers. Zero is the absence of it (number).
So zero isn't a number and numbers are strictly positive is what I'm getting.

On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 10:54:55 PM UTC+2, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:53:54 PM UTC-7, Kevin S wrote:
> > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:49:22 PM UTC+2, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:35:00 AM UTC-7, Kevin S wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:17:26 PM UTC+2, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 8:16:04 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > > On 8/18/2023 7:58 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 7:32:12 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > > >> On 8/18/2023 5:10 PM, Kevin S wrote:
> > > > > > >>> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 1:45:11 AM UTC+2, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > >>>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 2:22:49 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>> On 8/18/2023 12:41 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> There is no negative quantity in math. Only the subtraction...
> > > > > > >>>>> Sorry, Roy, no matter how much you whine, both positive and negative
> > > > > > >>>>> charges exist, and they follow the mathematics of negative numbers.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> They can be added: 3 coulombs + -5 coulombs = -2 coulombs.
> > > > > > >>>>> They can be subtracted: 4 coulombs -7 coulombs = -3 coulombs.
> > > > > > >>>>> They can be multiplied:
> > > > > > >>>>> -2 coulombs * -3 coulombs = +6 units of force (repulsive)
> > > > > > >>>>> +2 coulombs * -3 coulombs = -6 units of force (attractive)
> > > > > > >>>>> +2 coulombs * +3 coulombs = +6 units of force (repulsive)
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> which is exactly how negative number math works. So negative numbers exist.
> > > > > > >>>> Those are labels. They are not negative as quantities of charges.
> > > > > > >>>> There is zero magnitude and no quantity is below it.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Can you give an exact definition of label and quantity?
> > > > > > >> -2 is negative, and its two units "below" zero... Usually to the left of
> > > > > > >> zero? ;^)
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> -2<----1<----<0>---->1---->2
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> ? A number line?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There is no negative quantity on a quantity line.
> > > > > > -2...-1...0...1...2
> > > > > >
> > > > > > x axis, negative goes left, positive goes right. Fair enough?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Are trying to tell me that you have never seen one of these before? A
> > > > > > number line?
> > > > > If you subtract to zero what is left to take?
> > > > Kid you still in primary school?
> > > That math happens to be real.
> > > What can you subtract from that is not a quantity?
> > wtf is a quantity, sounds like a loaded term
> It is a number you moron.
> Like zero is in math.
>
>
> Mitchell Raemsch

1. Quantity is a number
2. Zero is a number
3. Zero is the absence of quantity
Which implies a quantity is a number, but a number need not be a quantity, and so what's your problem with negative numbers?

On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 4:24:05 PM UTC-7, Kevin S wrote:
> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 10:54:55 PM UTC+2, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:53:54 PM UTC-7, Kevin S wrote:
> > > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:49:22 PM UTC+2, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:35:00 AM UTC-7, Kevin S wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:17:26 PM UTC+2, mitchr....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 8:16:04 PM UTC-7, Chris M.. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > > > On 8/18/2023 7:58 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 7:32:12 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > > > >> On 8/18/2023 5:10 PM, Kevin S wrote:
> > > > > > > >>> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 1:45:11 AM UTC+2, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 2:22:49 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>> On 8/18/2023 12:41 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>> There is no negative quantity in math. Only the subtraction...
> > > > > > > >>>>> Sorry, Roy, no matter how much you whine, both positive and negative
> > > > > > > >>>>> charges exist, and they follow the mathematics of negative numbers.
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> They can be added: 3 coulombs + -5 coulombs = -2 coulombs.
> > > > > > > >>>>> They can be subtracted: 4 coulombs -7 coulombs = -3 coulombs.
> > > > > > > >>>>> They can be multiplied:
> > > > > > > >>>>> -2 coulombs * -3 coulombs = +6 units of force (repulsive)
> > > > > > > >>>>> +2 coulombs * -3 coulombs = -6 units of force (attractive)
> > > > > > > >>>>> +2 coulombs * +3 coulombs = +6 units of force (repulsive)
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> which is exactly how negative number math works. So negative numbers exist.
> > > > > > > >>>> Those are labels. They are not negative as quantities of charges.
> > > > > > > >>>> There is zero magnitude and no quantity is below it.
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> Can you give an exact definition of label and quantity?
> > > > > > > >> -2 is negative, and its two units "below" zero... Usually to the left of
> > > > > > > >> zero? ;^)
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> -2<----1<----<0>---->1---->2
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> ? A number line?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > There is no negative quantity on a quantity line.
> > > > > > > -2...-1...0...1...2
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > x axis, negative goes left, positive goes right. Fair enough?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Are trying to tell me that you have never seen one of these before? A
> > > > > > > number line?
> > > > > > If you subtract to zero what is left to take?
> > > > > Kid you still in primary school?
> > > > That math happens to be real.
> > > > What can you subtract from that is not a quantity?
> > > wtf is a quantity, sounds like a loaded term
> > It is a number you moron.
> > Like zero is in math.
> >
> >
> > Mitchell Raemsch
> 1. Quantity is a number
> 2. Zero is a number
> 3. Zero is the absence of quantity
> Which implies a quantity is a number, but a number need not be a quantity, and so what's your problem with negative numbers?

A number is a name for a quantity. Negatives don't exist as quantity only as negative operations.
That is attaching a minus sign to an absolute value.

Subtracting at zero has no quantity left to subtract from.
That is why there are no negative quantities.
There is nothing below the absence of any quantity.

Mitchell Raemsch

On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 5:10:47 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 4:24:05 PM UTC-7, Kevin S wrote:
> > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 10:54:55 PM UTC+2, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:53:54 PM UTC-7, Kevin S wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:49:22 PM UTC+2, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:35:00 AM UTC-7, Kevin S wrote:
> > > > > > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:17:26 PM UTC+2, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 8:16:04 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > > > > On 8/18/2023 7:58 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 7:32:12 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> On 8/18/2023 5:10 PM, Kevin S wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 1:45:11 AM UTC+2, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 2:22:49 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>>> On 8/18/2023 12:41 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> There is no negative quantity in math. Only the subtraction...
> > > > > > > > >>>>> Sorry, Roy, no matter how much you whine, both positive and negative
> > > > > > > > >>>>> charges exist, and they follow the mathematics of negative numbers.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> They can be added: 3 coulombs + -5 coulombs = -2 coulombs.
> > > > > > > > >>>>> They can be subtracted: 4 coulombs -7 coulombs = -3 coulombs.
> > > > > > > > >>>>> They can be multiplied:
> > > > > > > > >>>>> -2 coulombs * -3 coulombs = +6 units of force (repulsive)
> > > > > > > > >>>>> +2 coulombs * -3 coulombs = -6 units of force (attractive)
> > > > > > > > >>>>> +2 coulombs * +3 coulombs = +6 units of force (repulsive)
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> which is exactly how negative number math works. So negative numbers exist.
> > > > > > > > >>>> Those are labels. They are not negative as quantities of charges.
> > > > > > > > >>>> There is zero magnitude and no quantity is below it.
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> Can you give an exact definition of label and quantity?
> > > > > > > > >> -2 is negative, and its two units "below" zero... Usually to the left of
> > > > > > > > >> zero? ;^)
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> -2<----1<----<0>---->1---->2
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> ? A number line?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > There is no negative quantity on a quantity line.
> > > > > > > > -2...-1...0...1...2
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > x axis, negative goes left, positive goes right. Fair enough?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Are trying to tell me that you have never seen one of these before? A
> > > > > > > > number line?
> > > > > > > If you subtract to zero what is left to take?
> > > > > > Kid you still in primary school?
> > > > > That math happens to be real.
> > > > > What can you subtract from that is not a quantity?
> > > > wtf is a quantity, sounds like a loaded term
> > > It is a number you moron.
> > > Like zero is in math.
> > >
> > >
> > > Mitchell Raemsch
> > 1. Quantity is a number
> > 2. Zero is a number
> > 3. Zero is the absence of quantity
> > Which implies a quantity is a number, but a number need not be a quantity, and so what's your problem with negative numbers?
> A number is a name for a quantity. Negatives don't exist as quantity only as negative operations.
> That is attaching a minus sign to an absolute value.
>
> Subtracting at zero has no quantity left to subtract from.
> That is why there are no negative quantities.
> There is nothing below the absence of any quantity.
>
> Mitchell Raemsch

Those are usually called "magnitudes" or "unsigned magnitudes" or
sometimes "scalars" though "scalars" often includes sign (and zero).

On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 2:10:47 AM UTC+2, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 4:24:05 PM UTC-7, Kevin S wrote:
> > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 10:54:55 PM UTC+2, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:53:54 PM UTC-7, Kevin S wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:49:22 PM UTC+2, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:35:00 AM UTC-7, Kevin S wrote:
> > > > > > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:17:26 PM UTC+2, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 8:16:04 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > > > > On 8/18/2023 7:58 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 7:32:12 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> On 8/18/2023 5:10 PM, Kevin S wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 1:45:11 AM UTC+2, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 2:22:49 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>>> On 8/18/2023 12:41 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> There is no negative quantity in math. Only the subtraction...
> > > > > > > > >>>>> Sorry, Roy, no matter how much you whine, both positive and negative
> > > > > > > > >>>>> charges exist, and they follow the mathematics of negative numbers.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> They can be added: 3 coulombs + -5 coulombs = -2 coulombs.
> > > > > > > > >>>>> They can be subtracted: 4 coulombs -7 coulombs = -3 coulombs.
> > > > > > > > >>>>> They can be multiplied:
> > > > > > > > >>>>> -2 coulombs * -3 coulombs = +6 units of force (repulsive)
> > > > > > > > >>>>> +2 coulombs * -3 coulombs = -6 units of force (attractive)
> > > > > > > > >>>>> +2 coulombs * +3 coulombs = +6 units of force (repulsive)
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> which is exactly how negative number math works. So negative numbers exist.
> > > > > > > > >>>> Those are labels. They are not negative as quantities of charges.
> > > > > > > > >>>> There is zero magnitude and no quantity is below it.
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> Can you give an exact definition of label and quantity?
> > > > > > > > >> -2 is negative, and its two units "below" zero... Usually to the left of
> > > > > > > > >> zero? ;^)
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> -2<----1<----<0>---->1---->2
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> ? A number line?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > There is no negative quantity on a quantity line.
> > > > > > > > -2...-1...0...1...2
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > x axis, negative goes left, positive goes right. Fair enough?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Are trying to tell me that you have never seen one of these before? A
> > > > > > > > number line?
> > > > > > > If you subtract to zero what is left to take?
> > > > > > Kid you still in primary school?
> > > > > That math happens to be real.
> > > > > What can you subtract from that is not a quantity?
> > > > wtf is a quantity, sounds like a loaded term
> > > It is a number you moron.
> > > Like zero is in math.
> > >
> > >
> > > Mitchell Raemsch
> > 1. Quantity is a number
> > 2. Zero is a number
> > 3. Zero is the absence of quantity
> > Which implies a quantity is a number, but a number need not be a quantity, and so what's your problem with negative numbers?
> A number is a name for a quantity. Negatives don't exist as quantity only as negative operations.
> That is attaching a minus sign to an absolute value.
>
> Subtracting at zero has no quantity left to subtract from.
> That is why there are no negative quantities.
> There is nothing below the absence of any quantity.
>
> Mitchell Raemsch

Ok so if a number is just a name assigned to a quantity (I'm assuming in the sense that your name is mitchell), then what is a quantity really?

On 8/19/2023 4:54 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:53:54 PM UTC-7, Kevin S wrote:
>> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:49:22 PM UTC+2, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:35:00 AM UTC-7, Kevin S wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:17:26 PM UTC+2, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:

>>>>> If you subtract to zero what is left to take?

>>>> Kid you still in primary school?

>>> That math happens to be real. >>> What can you subtract from that is not a quantity?

>> wtf is a quantity, sounds like a loaded term
>
> It is a number you moron.
> Like zero is in math.
>
And also like -3 in math. If you are talking about plain numbers, of
course negative numbers exist. The mathematics for them are well
defined, and all you are doing is abstract math to abstract numbers.
Same goes for complex numbers, quaternions and so forth.

It isn't until you try to assign physical values to those numbers that
you may or may not have issues with negative numbers. For example, I
can't have -3 bananas, but I can have -3 coulombs of electric charge or
an overdraft bank balance of -3.00 dollars.

On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:17:51 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> On 8/19/2023 4:54 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:53:54 PM UTC-7, Kevin S wrote:
> >> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:49:22 PM UTC+2, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:35:00 AM UTC-7, Kevin S wrote:
> >>>> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:17:26 PM UTC+2, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >>>>> If you subtract to zero what is left to take?
>
> >>>> Kid you still in primary school?
>
> >>> That math happens to be real. >>> What can you subtract from that is not a quantity?
>
> >> wtf is a quantity, sounds like a loaded term
> >
> > It is a number you moron.
> > Like zero is in math.
> >
> And also like -3 in math. If you are talking about plain numbers, of
> course negative numbers exist. The mathematics for them are well
> defined, and all you are doing is abstract math to abstract numbers.
> Same goes for complex numbers, quaternions and so forth.
>
> It isn't until you try to assign physical values to those numbers that
> you may or may not have issues with negative numbers. For example, I
> can't have -3 bananas, but I can have -3 coulombs of electric charge or
> an overdraft bank balance of -3.00 dollars.

There is something below infinitesimal magnitude.
But not below zero... there is nothing left to subtract from
at zero's no quantity...

On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 7:28:42 PM UTC+2, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:17:51 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> > On 8/19/2023 4:54 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:53:54 PM UTC-7, Kevin S wrote:
> > >> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:49:22 PM UTC+2, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >>> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:35:00 AM UTC-7, Kevin S wrote:
> > >>>> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:17:26 PM UTC+2, mitchr....@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > >>>>> If you subtract to zero what is left to take?
> >
> > >>>> Kid you still in primary school?
> >
> > >>> That math happens to be real. >>> What can you subtract from that is not a quantity?
> >
> > >> wtf is a quantity, sounds like a loaded term
> > >
> > > It is a number you moron.
> > > Like zero is in math.
> > >
> > And also like -3 in math. If you are talking about plain numbers, of
> > course negative numbers exist. The mathematics for them are well
> > defined, and all you are doing is abstract math to abstract numbers.
> > Same goes for complex numbers, quaternions and so forth.
> >
> > It isn't until you try to assign physical values to those numbers that
> > you may or may not have issues with negative numbers. For example, I
> > can't have -3 bananas, but I can have -3 coulombs of electric charge or
> > an overdraft bank balance of -3.00 dollars.
> There is something below infinitesimal magnitude.
> But not below zero... there is nothing left to subtract from
> at zero's no quantity...

What you think of as quantity is what most people refer to as magnitude.

On 8/20/2023 1:28 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:17:51 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
>> On 8/19/2023 4:54 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:

>>> It is a number you moron.
>>> Like zero is in math.
>>>
>> And also like -3 in math. If you are talking about plain numbers, of
>> course negative numbers exist. The mathematics for them are well
>> defined, and all you are doing is abstract math to abstract numbers.
>> Same goes for complex numbers, quaternions and so forth.
>>
>> It isn't until you try to assign physical values to those numbers that
>> you may or may not have issues with negative numbers. For example, I
>> can't have -3 bananas, but I can have -3 coulombs of electric charge or
>> an overdraft bank balance of -3.00 dollars.
>
> There is something below infinitesimal magnitude.
> But not below zero... there is nothing left to subtract from
> at zero's no quantity...

Yet I can still have an object with a charge of -3 coulombs. And I can
have an overdrawn bank account with a "balance" of $ -3.00. No matter
how much you whine about that, it's still true. And they follow the math
of negative numbers. That is, I can add 2 coulombs of charge to my
object with a charge of -3 coulombs and it will have a charge of -1
coulombs.

On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 9:36:34 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> On 8/20/2023 1:28 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:17:51 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> >> On 8/19/2023 4:54 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >>> It is a number you moron.
> >>> Like zero is in math.
> >>>
> >> And also like -3 in math. If you are talking about plain numbers, of
> >> course negative numbers exist. The mathematics for them are well
> >> defined, and all you are doing is abstract math to abstract numbers.
> >> Same goes for complex numbers, quaternions and so forth.
> >>
> >> It isn't until you try to assign physical values to those numbers that
> >> you may or may not have issues with negative numbers. For example, I
> >> can't have -3 bananas, but I can have -3 coulombs of electric charge or
> >> an overdraft bank balance of -3.00 dollars.
> >
> > There is something below infinitesimal magnitude.
> > But not below zero... there is nothing left to subtract from
> > at zero's no quantity...
> Yet I can still have an object with a charge of -3 coulombs. And I can
> have an overdrawn bank account with a "balance" of $ -3.00. No matter
> how much you whine about that, it's still true. And they follow the math
> of negative numbers. That is, I can add 2 coulombs of charge to my
> object with a charge of -3 coulombs and it will have a charge of -1
> coulombs.

Well yeah, obviously, everybody knows something along those lines,
the point though is to figure out what intuition that we might also
share with Mitch, a non-standard or alternative intuition of sorts,
to evaluate what the petty crank has as its vision, which might
have a grain of truth and especially of profound or surprising truth,
to satisfy our greater intuition, if only to relieve the angst of the crank..

Volney brought next idea :
> On 8/20/2023 1:28 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:17:51 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
>>> On 8/19/2023 4:54 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>>> It is a number you moron.
>>>> Like zero is in math.
>>>>
>>> And also like -3 in math. If you are talking about plain numbers, of
>>> course negative numbers exist. The mathematics for them are well
>>> defined, and all you are doing is abstract math to abstract numbers.
>>> Same goes for complex numbers, quaternions and so forth.
>>>
>>> It isn't until you try to assign physical values to those numbers that
>>> you may or may not have issues with negative numbers. For example, I
>>> can't have -3 bananas, but I can have -3 coulombs of electric charge or
>>> an overdraft bank balance of -3.00 dollars.
>>
>> There is something below infinitesimal magnitude.
>> But not below zero... there is nothing left to subtract from
>> at zero's no quantity...

Then stop complaining and fix it!! Subtraction doesn't need to be a
partial function, you can expand the set to include additive inverses
and the additive neutral element. Then you can complain about division
being a partial function, and there is a fix for that too, another
ordered pairing.

> Yet I can still have an object with a charge of -3 coulombs. And I can have
> an overdrawn bank account with a "balance" of $ -3.00. No matter how much you
> whine about that, it's still true. And they follow the math of negative
> numbers. That is, I can add 2 coulombs of charge to my object with a charge
> of -3 coulombs and it will have a charge of -1 coulombs.

What is the annual interest on minus three dollars? :)

On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 3:20:43 AM UTC-7, FromTheRafters wrote:
> Volney brought next idea :
> > On 8/20/2023 1:28 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:17:51 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> >>> On 8/19/2023 4:54 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> >>>> It is a number you moron.
> >>>> Like zero is in math.
> >>>>
> >>> And also like -3 in math. If you are talking about plain numbers, of
> >>> course negative numbers exist. The mathematics for them are well
> >>> defined, and all you are doing is abstract math to abstract numbers.
> >>> Same goes for complex numbers, quaternions and so forth.
> >>>
> >>> It isn't until you try to assign physical values to those numbers that
> >>> you may or may not have issues with negative numbers. For example, I
> >>> can't have -3 bananas, but I can have -3 coulombs of electric charge or
> >>> an overdraft bank balance of -3.00 dollars.
> >>
> >> There is something below infinitesimal magnitude.
> >> But not below zero... there is nothing left to subtract from
> >> at zero's no quantity...
> Then stop complaining and fix it!! Subtraction doesn't need to be a
> partial function, you can expand the set to include additive inverses
> and the additive neutral element. Then you can complain about division
> being a partial function, and there is a fix for that too, another
> ordered pairing.
> > Yet I can still have an object with a charge of -3 coulombs. And I can have
> > an overdrawn bank account with a "balance" of $ -3.00. No matter how much you
> > whine about that, it's still true. And they follow the math of negative
> > numbers. That is, I can add 2 coulombs of charge to my object with a charge
> > of -3 coulombs and it will have a charge of -1 coulombs.
> What is the annual interest on minus three dollars? :)

There is no quantity below no quantity zero...
Attach a minus sign to an absolute value
and you have a subtraction in an equation.
You can hide a subtraction that over shoots
absolute zero. But it doesn't belong.

On 8/18/2023 9:34 PM, Volney wrote:
> On 8/18/2023 10:58 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 7:32:12 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>> On 8/18/2023 5:10 PM, Kevin S wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 1:45:11 AM UTC+2,
>>>> mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 2:22:49 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/18/2023 12:41 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is no negative quantity in math. Only the subtraction...
>>>>>> Sorry, Roy, no matter how much you whine, both positive and negative
>>>>>> charges exist, and they follow the mathematics of negative numbers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They can be added: 3 coulombs + -5 coulombs = -2 coulombs.
>>>>>> They can be subtracted: 4 coulombs -7 coulombs = -3 coulombs.
>>>>>> They can be multiplied:
>>>>>> -2 coulombs * -3 coulombs = +6 units of force (repulsive)
>>>>>> +2 coulombs * -3 coulombs = -6 units of force (attractive)
>>>>>> +2 coulombs * +3 coulombs = +6 units of force (repulsive)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> which is exactly how negative number math works. So negative
>>>>>> numbers exist.
>>>>> Those are labels. They are not negative as quantities of charges.
>>>>> There is zero magnitude and no quantity is below it.
>>>>
>>>> Can you give an exact definition of label and quantity?
>>> -2 is negative, and its two units "below" zero... Usually to the left of
>>> zero? ;^)
>>>
>>> -2<----1<----<0>---->1---->2
>>>
>>> ? A number line?
>>
>> There is no negative quantity on a quantity line.
>
> But there are negative numbers on a number line. And you can do the math
> of negative numbers with them, or represent negative electric charges etc.

I wonder what would happen to Mitch if he was watching the weather
forecast, and it say the projected temperature is negative ten degrees
fahrenheit. Would his head explode or something? Humm...

On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:41:54 PM UTC+2, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 3:20:43 AM UTC-7, FromTheRafters wrote:
> > Volney brought next idea :
> > > On 8/20/2023 1:28 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:17:51 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> > >>> On 8/19/2023 4:54 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > >>>> It is a number you moron.
> > >>>> Like zero is in math.
> > >>>>
> > >>> And also like -3 in math. If you are talking about plain numbers, of
> > >>> course negative numbers exist. The mathematics for them are well
> > >>> defined, and all you are doing is abstract math to abstract numbers..
> > >>> Same goes for complex numbers, quaternions and so forth.
> > >>>
> > >>> It isn't until you try to assign physical values to those numbers that
> > >>> you may or may not have issues with negative numbers. For example, I
> > >>> can't have -3 bananas, but I can have -3 coulombs of electric charge or
> > >>> an overdraft bank balance of -3.00 dollars.
> > >>
> > >> There is something below infinitesimal magnitude.
> > >> But not below zero... there is nothing left to subtract from
> > >> at zero's no quantity...
> > Then stop complaining and fix it!! Subtraction doesn't need to be a
> > partial function, you can expand the set to include additive inverses
> > and the additive neutral element. Then you can complain about division
> > being a partial function, and there is a fix for that too, another
> > ordered pairing.
> > > Yet I can still have an object with a charge of -3 coulombs. And I can have
> > > an overdrawn bank account with a "balance" of $ -3.00. No matter how much you
> > > whine about that, it's still true. And they follow the math of negative
> > > numbers. That is, I can add 2 coulombs of charge to my object with a charge
> > > of -3 coulombs and it will have a charge of -1 coulombs.
> > What is the annual interest on minus three dollars? :)
> There is no quantity below no quantity zero...
> Attach a minus sign to an absolute value
> and you have a subtraction in an equation.
> You can hide a subtraction that over shoots
> absolute zero. But it doesn't belong.

So for you -1 always means 0-1?
It's technically correct, but you're missing on the more abstract meaning; -1 is itself an element of the integer set, and we can talk about the integer set without even defining addition or subtraction. It's also bizarre that you are cool with a quantity being fractional, like 2^-1, but not when it's negative.
Did you finish Yr4?

On 8/22/2023 6:20 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
> Volney brought next idea :

>> Yet I can still have an object with a charge of -3 coulombs. And I can
>> have an overdrawn bank account with a "balance" of $ -3.00. No matter
>> how much you whine about that, it's still true. And they follow the
>> math of negative numbers. That is, I can add 2 coulombs of charge to
>> my object with a charge of -3 coulombs and it will have a charge of -1
>> coulombs.
>
> What is the annual interest on minus three dollars? :)

It's also negative, so whatever it is, you have to pay it to the bank.

On 8/18/2023 7:45 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 2:22:49 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
>> On 8/18/2023 12:41 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> There is no negative quantity in math. Only the subtraction...
>> Sorry, Roy, no matter how much you whine, both positive and negative
>> charges exist, and they follow the mathematics of negative numbers.
>>
>> They can be added: 3 coulombs + -5 coulombs = -2 coulombs.
>> They can be subtracted: 4 coulombs -7 coulombs = -3 coulombs.
>> They can be multiplied:
>> -2 coulombs * -3 coulombs = +6 units of force (repulsive)
>> +2 coulombs * -3 coulombs = -6 units of force (attractive)
>> +2 coulombs * +3 coulombs = +6 units of force (repulsive)
>>
>> which is exactly how negative number math works. So negative numbers exist.
>
> Those are labels. They are not negative as quantities of charges.

Yes they are, Roy. Electric charge follows the mathematics of negative
numbers. For example, adding equal but opposite charges equals 0. Or -5
coulombs + 2 coulombs = -3 coulombs. Simple addition.

> There is zero magnitude and no quantity is below it.

Maybe not for bananas but there definitely is for coulombs.