On 01/08/2021 10.40, sms wrote:
> On 7/31/2021 4:19 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> If you care about privacy, was Signal or Telegram instead.
>
> Yes, that's the bottom line. Or use Google Messages with RCS, at least
> on Android.

I tried what I think is RCS on a secondary phone: on my main phone my
plan covers unlimited SMS at zero cents, but on my secondary each SMS
pays some 20 cents, which is abusive.

Anyway, RCS claimed that it would use wifi or data (ie, internet) and
thus incur no cost. Alas, it was not so, the telephone company charged
me for that single test message.

So I abandoned plans to use it.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On 01/08/2021 11.03, Piet wrote:
> Richmond wrote:
>> I deleted whatsapp some time ago
>
> I scrapped all such bloatware that came with my new phone right away.
> That included faecesbook, whatsapp, twitter, instagram, google, etc.
> Did the same on my wife's phone.
>
>> but presumably your contact is on whatsapp and so you have to use it.
>
> Just because one or more of my contacts are on whatsapp by no means
> implies that i have to use it. I tell them to install signal (and why)
> if they want to keep dm'ing with me, or get lost. I sure did help.

Here, *all* my contacts are on whatsap. A few also have signal or
telegram, but nobody uses them. Of course, I heard of people actually
using one or the other.

The only contacts that do not have whatsap live at the other side of the
ocean.

Your idea of not using whatsap here would be received with a "piss off"
comment.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes:

> I tried what I think is RCS on a secondary phone: on my main phone my
> plan covers unlimited SMS at zero cents, but on my secondary each SMS
> pays some 20 cents, which is abusive.
>
> Anyway, RCS claimed that it would use wifi or data (ie, internet) and
> thus incur no cost. Alas, it was not so, the telephone company charged
> me for that single test message.
>
> So I abandoned plans to use it.

When you turn on the chat feature (RCS) it can only send via internet if
the recipient has enabled the chat feature in their Messages
app. too. And it gives you a clue by the send button if it is going to
charge you because it displays "SMS".

If you take your SIM card out after enabling the chat feature that
messes everything up, so the procedure is disable chat, replace sim,
enable chat.

I think they could do some more work on it to make it more obvious what
is going on. They seem to be copying iMessage which is also a bit too
subtle with its blue and green colour codes and various quirks.

(Sorry if you knew all that already, maybe someone didn't).

On 01/08/2021 14.09, Richmond wrote:
> "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes:
>
>> I tried what I think is RCS on a secondary phone: on my main phone my
>> plan covers unlimited SMS at zero cents, but on my secondary each SMS
>> pays some 20 cents, which is abusive.
>>
>> Anyway, RCS claimed that it would use wifi or data (ie, internet) and
>> thus incur no cost. Alas, it was not so, the telephone company charged
>> me for that single test message.
>>
>> So I abandoned plans to use it.
>
> When you turn on the chat feature (RCS) it can only send via internet if
> the recipient has enabled the chat feature in their Messages
> app. too. And it gives you a clue by the send button if it is going to
> charge you because it displays "SMS".

The recipient was my other phone, which I suppose had RCS also enabled,
but of course I don't know now for sure.

How can I know if the messages tool is actually the RCS enabled tool? It
seems it is, as in setup it mentions sending via wifi (both phones).

I type a new message, and the send button is just a triangle, doesn't
say SMS or anything.

> If you take your SIM card out after enabling the chat feature that
> messes everything up, so the procedure is disable chat, replace sim,
> enable chat.

Yes, I had changed the SIM and number just then. A message popped up a
while later asking if I wanted to enable the new google messages app, I
said yes, and tested it.

> I think they could do some more work on it to make it more obvious what
> is going on. They seem to be copying iMessage which is also a bit too
> subtle with its blue and green colour codes and various quirks.
>
> (Sorry if you knew all that already, maybe someone didn't).

No, I appreciate the info :-)

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes:

> On 01/08/2021 14.09, Richmond wrote:
>> "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes:
>>
>>> I tried what I think is RCS on a secondary phone: on my main phone my
>>> plan covers unlimited SMS at zero cents, but on my secondary each SMS
>>> pays some 20 cents, which is abusive.
>>>
>>> Anyway, RCS claimed that it would use wifi or data (ie, internet) and
>>> thus incur no cost. Alas, it was not so, the telephone company charged
>>> me for that single test message.
>>>
>>> So I abandoned plans to use it.
>>
>> When you turn on the chat feature (RCS) it can only send via internet if
>> the recipient has enabled the chat feature in their Messages
>> app. too. And it gives you a clue by the send button if it is going to
>> charge you because it displays "SMS".
>
> The recipient was my other phone, which I suppose had RCS also enabled,
> but of course I don't know now for sure.
>
> How can I know if the messages tool is actually the RCS enabled tool? It
> seems it is, as in setup it mentions sending via wifi (both phones).
>
> I type a new message, and the send button is just a triangle, doesn't
> say SMS or anything.

I have just checked on my phone. At the point where I start to type, if
the recipient is NOT chat enabled "SMS" appears under the |> send
button. If the recipient IS chat enabled, then nothing appears. There is
also an indication of which sim card is being used as mine has two.

>> If you take your SIM card out after enabling the chat feature that
>> messes everything up, so the procedure is disable chat, replace sim,
>> enable chat.
>
> Yes, I had changed the SIM and number just then. A message popped up a
> while later asking if I wanted to enable the new google messages app, I
> said yes, and tested it.
>

I had that problem and I cannot remember what I did after. I may have
just disabled the chat feature and enabled it again.

>
>> I think they could do some more work on it to make it more obvious what
>> is going on. They seem to be copying iMessage which is also a bit too
>> subtle with its blue and green colour codes and various quirks.
>>
>> (Sorry if you knew all that already, maybe someone didn't).
>
> No, I appreciate the info :-)

You are welcome. :)

On 8/1/2021 4:04 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 01/08/2021 10.40, sms wrote:
>> On 7/31/2021 4:19 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> If you care about privacy, was Signal or Telegram instead.
>>
>> Yes, that's the bottom line. Or use Google Messages with RCS, at least
>> on Android.
>
> I tried what I think is RCS on a secondary phone: on my main phone my
> plan covers unlimited SMS at zero cents, but on my secondary each SMS
> pays some 20 cents, which is abusive.
>
> Anyway, RCS claimed that it would use wifi or data (ie, internet) and
> thus incur no cost. Alas, it was not so, the telephone company charged
> me for that single test message.
>
> So I abandoned plans to use it.

If the recipient can't receive RCS then it gets sent as an SMS and
you'll be charged.

I have two global SIMs, both of which charge for outgoing SMS (9¢ for
Truphone, 18¢ for Knowroaming). I can just use Google Voice for SMS
since the amount of data in an SMS is minuscule, and often I'll be on
Wi-Fi anyway.

On 8/1/2021 5:09 AM, Richmond wrote:
> "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes:
>
>> I tried what I think is RCS on a secondary phone: on my main phone my
>> plan covers unlimited SMS at zero cents, but on my secondary each SMS
>> pays some 20 cents, which is abusive.
>>
>> Anyway, RCS claimed that it would use wifi or data (ie, internet) and
>> thus incur no cost. Alas, it was not so, the telephone company charged
>> me for that single test message.
>>
>> So I abandoned plans to use it.
>
> When you turn on the chat feature (RCS) it can only send via internet if
> the recipient has enabled the chat feature in their Messages
> app. too. And it gives you a clue by the send button if it is going to
> charge you because it displays "SMS".
>
> If you take your SIM card out after enabling the chat feature that
> messes everything up, so the procedure is disable chat, replace sim,
> enable chat.
>
> I think they could do some more work on it to make it more obvious what
> is going on. They seem to be copying iMessage which is also a bit too
> subtle with its blue and green colour codes and various quirks.
>
> (Sorry if you knew all that already, maybe someone didn't).

Good information.

Hopefully iOS will gain RCS functionality in a future release (everyone
was hoping for iOS 15 but it doesn't appear to be there).

It's almost like VHS versus Betamax or Blu-ray vs HD DVD, one company
holds out, believing that the losing format will somehow prevail or the
hold out until the revenue equation changes. When it's clear that they
can't continue down that path then they adopt the industry standard.

On 01/08/2021 16.25, Richmond wrote:
> "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes:
>
>> On 01/08/2021 14.09, Richmond wrote:
>>> "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes:
>>>
>>>> I tried what I think is RCS on a secondary phone: on my main phone my
>>>> plan covers unlimited SMS at zero cents, but on my secondary each SMS
>>>> pays some 20 cents, which is abusive.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, RCS claimed that it would use wifi or data (ie, internet) and
>>>> thus incur no cost. Alas, it was not so, the telephone company charged
>>>> me for that single test message.
>>>>
>>>> So I abandoned plans to use it.
>>>
>>> When you turn on the chat feature (RCS) it can only send via internet if
>>> the recipient has enabled the chat feature in their Messages
>>> app. too. And it gives you a clue by the send button if it is going to
>>> charge you because it displays "SMS".
>>
>> The recipient was my other phone, which I suppose had RCS also enabled,
>> but of course I don't know now for sure.
>>
>> How can I know if the messages tool is actually the RCS enabled tool? It
>> seems it is, as in setup it mentions sending via wifi (both phones).
>>
>> I type a new message, and the send button is just a triangle, doesn't
>> say SMS or anything.
>
> I have just checked on my phone. At the point where I start to type, if
> the recipient is NOT chat enabled "SMS" appears under the |> send
> button. If the recipient IS chat enabled, then nothing appears. There is
> also an indication of which sim card is being used as mine has two.

Well, mine does not display "SMS", so I just sent a message to my other
phone, for testing. I suppose I have to wait till tomorrow to find out
if they charged me or not.

The app says it is version 8.5.024 (Vitex_RC02.phone_dynamic) and the
setup says sending via wifi is enabled.

....

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On Sun, 1 Aug 2021 19:19:32 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> The app says it is version 8.5.024 (Vitex_RC02.phone_dynamic) and the
> setup says sending via wifi is enabled.

Is it only google messages with rcs or do other messaging apps have rcs too?

John <john@nospam.invalid> writes:

> On Sun, 1 Aug 2021 19:19:32 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> The app says it is version 8.5.024 (Vitex_RC02.phone_dynamic) and the
>> setup says sending via wifi is enabled.
>
> Is it only google messages with rcs or do other messaging apps have rcs too?

I found this:

https://www.androidpolice.com/2019/10/27/weekend-poll-what-app-do-you-use-for-sms-or-rcs-messaging/

Listing:

Google Messages.
Samsung Messages.
OnePlus Messages.
Facebook Messenger.
Textra.
Pulse SMS.
Signal.
iMessage.

Elsewhere I read google chat has it.