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* Tracking at WGC MontluconPapa3
+- Re: Tracking at WGC MontluconSemantics Michael
+* Re: Tracking at WGC MontluconSemantics Michael
|`* Re: Tracking at WGC MontluconPapa3
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|  `* Re: Tracking at WGC MontluconSemantics Michael
|   `* Re: Tracking at WGC MontluconKarl Striedieck
|    `* Re: Tracking at WGC MontluconColin Mead
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|      +- Re: Tracking at WGC MontluconSemantics Michael
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|        `* Re: Tracking at WGC MontluconDan Daly
|         `* Re: Tracking at WGC MontluconSemantics Michael
|          `* Re: Tracking at WGC MontluconClay
|           `* Re: Tracking at WGC MontluconSemantics Michael
|            +- Re: Tracking at WGC MontluconMichael Bamberg
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|             `* Re: Tracking at WGC MontluconSemantics Michael
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|              |+- Re: Tracking at WGC MontluconMark Mocho
|              |`- Re: Tracking at WGC MontluconSemantics Michael
|              +- Re: Tracking at WGC MontluconNicholas Kennedy
|              `- Re: Tracking at WGC MontluconNicholas Kennedy
`- Re: Tracking at WGC MontluconPapa3

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Tracking at WGC Montlucon

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Subject: Tracking at WGC Montlucon
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 by: Papa3 - Mon, 9 Aug 2021 16:01 UTC

Anyone else trying to figure out what the tracker(s) linked from the contest website are showing? Not only are the IDs all obfuscated (unless I'm missing something), but the quality of the tracker overall is weak. The last Worlds had such fantastic real-time viewing options; this kinda sucks in comparison.

Is there any alternative site besides the ones on the contest Website?

P3

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Subject: Re: Tracking at WGC Montlucon
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 by: Semantics Michael - Mon, 9 Aug 2021 16:38 UTC

Looks good on my system. Click the numbered tab to get pilot info, altitude, speed, etc.
e.g., https://www.wgc2021.fr/?page_id=3408

Phyllis

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Looks good on my system. Click the numbered tab to get pilot info, altitude, speed, etc. e.g., https://www.wgc2021.fr/?page_id=3408

Info/instructions:
https://live.glidernet.org/help-fr.html

Phyllis

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From: erik.h.m...@gmail.com (Papa3)
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 by: Papa3 - Mon, 9 Aug 2021 17:11 UTC

On Monday, August 9, 2021 at 12:42:09 PM UTC-4, phlyi...@gmail.com wrote:
> Looks good on my system. Click the numbered tab to get pilot info, altitude, speed, etc. e.g., https://www.wgc2021.fr/?page_id=3408
>
> Info/instructions:
> https://live.glidernet.org/help-fr.html
>
> Phyllis

How are you displaying usable IDs; i.e. who is who? Also, the tracker doesn't seem to have the task information (start time, speed achieved, etc.). Is it just my user error?

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Subject: Re: Tracking at WGC Montlucon
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 by: Karl Striedieck - Mon, 9 Aug 2021 18:09 UTC

On Monday, August 9, 2021 at 1:11:08 PM UTC-4, Papa3 wrote:
> On Monday, August 9, 2021 at 12:42:09 PM UTC-4, phlyi...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Looks good on my system. Click the numbered tab to get pilot info, altitude, speed, etc. e.g., https://www.wgc2021.fr/?page_id=3408
> >
> > Info/instructions:
> > https://live.glidernet.org/help-fr.html
> >
> > Phyllis
> How are you displaying usable IDs; i.e. who is who? Also, the tracker doesn't seem to have the task information (start time, speed achieved, etc.). Is it just my user error?

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 by: Karl Striedieck - Mon, 9 Aug 2021 18:11 UTC

On Monday, August 9, 2021 at 1:11:08 PM UTC-4, Papa3 wrote:
> On Monday, August 9, 2021 at 12:42:09 PM UTC-4, phlyi...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Looks good on my system. Click the numbered tab to get pilot info, altitude, speed, etc. e.g., https://www.wgc2021.fr/?page_id=3408
> >
> > Info/instructions:
> > https://live.glidernet.org/help-fr.html
> >
> > Phyllis
> How are you displaying usable IDs; i.e. who is who? Also, the tracker doesn't seem to have the task information (start time, speed achieved, etc.). Is it just my user error?

Clicking the numbered tag gives plenty of information except who the pilot is.

Information/instructions are in French.

KS

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> Information/instructions are in French.
> KS
It took me awhile (having only taken freshman French), but here's the translation.
https://live.glidernet.org/help-en.html

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On Monday, August 9, 2021 at 3:24:14 PM UTC-4, phlyi...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Information/instructions are in French.
> > KS
> It took me awhile (having only taken freshman French), but here's the translation.
> https://live.glidernet.org/help-en.html

Thanks Phlyi.. I'm still in the dark about following the individual pilot comp numbers on tracking.

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This was surprise to us when the task started. we have it sorted. I will post Contest ID/Tracker Number when I verify the data in the morning.

Colin Mead

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On Monday, August 9, 2021 at 11:51:26 PM UTC+2, phlyi...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, August 9, 2021 at 4:22:15 PM UTC-5, Colin Mead wrote:
> > This was surprise to us when the task started. we have it sorted. I will post Contest ID/Tracker Number when I verify the data in the morning.
> >
> > Colin Mead
> I watched on a live feed from the French Federation @ https://youtu.be/jJiRt1pgU8Y
>
> They have a live-stream schedule

A better option in my opinion is glideandseek.com. Once you are on that site, you can either pull in the task you're interested in by entering the soaringspot task url, or click on the soarscore.com link provided in the task icon and it will give you the option of displaying the task of the day of pretty much any registered contest.
There's a better display of glider current & past metrics during flights.

Cheers

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Thanks to those who made the effort, the tracker now has been configured to display pilot id's rather than random numbers.
Here's the standard class today: https://www.wgc2021.fr/?page_id=3408

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Thanks to those who made the effort, the tracker now has been configured to display pilot id's rather than random numbers.
Here's the standard class today: https://www.wgc2021.fr/?page_id=3408
.....and from Glideandseek: https://glideandseek.com/?taskOneUrl=https://www.soaringspot.com/en_gb/wgc2021-club-std-15m-montlucon-gueret-2021/results/standard&viewport=46.23005,2.35931,12

Phyllis

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Live stream from the WGC, Tuesday Task #9 Aug 17th (Task #8 not executed)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNEsMJrTunE

Results to date: https://www.soaringspot.com/en_gb/wgc2021-club-std-15m-montlucon-gueret-2021/results

Anyone know if Sarah is the only female contest pilot there and if an interview of her was published?

Phyllis Dee

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On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 11:38:08 AM UTC-4, phlyi...@gmail.com wrote:
> Live stream from the WGC, Tuesday Task #9 Aug 17th (Task #8 not executed)
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNEsMJrTunE
>
> Results to date: https://www.soaringspot.com/en_gb/wgc2021-club-std-15m-montlucon-gueret-2021/results
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> Anyone know if Sarah is the only female contest pilot there and if an interview of her was published?
>
> Phyllis Dee
Pilot list here: https://www.soaringspot.com/en_gb/wgc2021-club-std-15m-montlucon-gueret-2021/pilots
I assume Diana Schuit from Luxembourg is female.

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> > Anyone know if Sarah is the only female contest pilot there and if an interview of her was published?
> >
> > Phyllis Dee
> Pilot list here: https://www.soaringspot.com/en_gb/wgc2021-club-std-15m-montlucon-gueret-2021/pilots
> I assume Diana Schuit from Luxembourg is female.

Thanks; most likely. There are photo pages for each class, but not everyone is covered.
Frederic De Groote, is also a woman (albeit based on a two-headed pic).

Dee

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Daniel (WA) for the win?!

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 by: Semantics Michael - Tue, 17 Aug 2021 19:35 UTC

> Clay wrote:
> Daniel (WA) for the win?!

Good contest day for him. Bruins, in 2nd, and Daniel both flew ASW20's, yet they had different handicaps. Not a contest pilot, so can someone please explain?

Tim Taylor appears to be 2nd for the day in the 15m class with Kawa in 1st. Fun to run both their IGC files in SeeYou to study their runs; even more interesting if you sync their start-times. Great for Tim.

Dee

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Subject: Re: Tracking at WGC Montlucon
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" Not a contest pilot, so can someone please explain?"
It could be winglets, weight, or minor changes in the design over the years.

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On Tuesday, 17 August 2021 at 20:35:23 UTC+1, phlyi...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Clay wrote:
> > Daniel (WA) for the win?!
> Good contest day for him. Bruins, in 2nd, and Daniel both flew ASW20's, yet they had different handicaps. Not a contest pilot, so can someone please explain?
>

Winglets and/or different all-up weights.

Each type has a defined reference weight, and from there the handicapping varies in bands of 10 kg (or did when I looked a couple of years ago)

Thus we see for example that the PIK 20B has a slightly higher handicap than the later D version, not because it's deemed to be better, but because it was heavier before they introduced the carbon spar cap.

Some keen pilots add a few kg of lead to make up to just below the next weight band.

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Aug 18th; Day 10 cancelled

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On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 7:09:02 AM UTC-7, phlyi...@gmail.com wrote:
> Aug 18th; Day 10 cancelled

The largest task called so far is 277km and one was 131km - pretty pathetic for a World contest!

Tom

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On Thursday, 19 August 2021 at 05:59:10 UTC+1, 2G wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 7:09:02 AM UTC-7, phlyi...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Aug 18th; Day 10 cancelled
> The largest task called so far is 277km and one was 131km - pretty pathetic for a World contest!
>
> Tom

That is what the weather has been like in some parts of Europe. It doesn't mean it is always like that.

In the UK we have had several days of 7000' cloudbase (temperature minus 8 deg C) in April and 3500' or worse in August

Some friends did 500+ km 8 or 9 days in a row months ago, but only flying a couple of days a week just recently. Maybe next week will be better ...

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Subject: Re: Tracking at WGC Montlucon
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> > On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 7:09:02 AM UTC-7, phlyi...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Aug 18th; Day 10 cancelled
Seems they are still out on course, but it's getting late there.
Day 11 Live https://www.facebook.com/WGC2021FR/videos/854545885181915

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 by: Semantics Michael - Thu, 19 Aug 2021 19:21 UTC

> > > On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 7:09:02 AM UTC-7, phlyi...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > Aug 18th; Day 10 cancelled
> Seems they are still out on course, but it's getting late there.
> Day 11 Live https://www.facebook.com/WGC2021FR/videos/854545885181915

Total Results after Task 10, Aug 19th. The weather tomorrow (Aug 20) looks better for Task 11; last day.
15m Class: https://www.soaringspot.com/en_gb/wgc2021-club-std-15m-montlucon-gueret-2021/results/15-meter/task-10-on-2021-08-19/total
Club Class: https://www.soaringspot.com/en_gb/wgc2021-club-std-15m-montlucon-gueret-2021/results/club/task-10-on-2021-08-19/total
Standard Class: https://www.soaringspot.com/en_gb/wgc2021-club-std-15m-montlucon-gueret-2021/results/standard/task-10-on-2021-08-19/total

Phyllis Dee
Phlyingals

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Subject: Re: Tracking at WGC Montlucon
From: phlying...@gmail.com (Semantics Michael)
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> On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 7:09:02 AM UTC-7, phlyi...@gmail.com wrote:
> Total Results after Task 10, Aug 19th. The weather tomorrow (Aug 20) looks better for Task 11; last day.
> 15m Class: https://www.soaringspot.com/en_gb/wgc2021-club-std-15m-montlucon-gueret-2021/results/15-meter/task-10-on-2021-08-19/total
> Club Class: https://www.soaringspot.com/en_gb/wgc2021-club-std-15m-montlucon-gueret-2021/results/club/task-10-on-2021-08-19/total
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Final day WGC 2021; tracking: https://www.wgc2021.fr/?page_id=2437

Phyllis Dee
Phlyingals

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