On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 11:36:56 AM UTC-8, 2G wrote:
> On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 7:30:16 AM UTC-8, Dan Marotta wrote:
> > It took about 1:50 for the LS-8 to get level with the tug. And what was
> > that hanging onto the leading edge of the Phoenix's left wing? I
> > "captured" a corn husk in a thermal in Texas once...
> >
> > Dan
> > 5J
> I forgot to add that the LS-8 was carrying water ballast, which is why the Phoenix was airborne before the glider. I see the tow rope right in line with the fuselage, so that was their climb trajectory. The fluttering material at the right bottom of the frame was probably some camera mounting tape that came loose.
>
> This video clearly disproves PottyMouth's claim that a ROTAX powered motorglider is incapable of towing a glider "to any degree of satisfaction" - I think that the LS-8 pilot was TOTALLY satisfied with the launch. I know I would be.
>
> Tom

Here is another video of the same Phoenix towing a Discus CS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQWwPS9JbPE
This video is nice because it also has the view from the cockpit of the Discus. It looks like they were airborne in about 34 sec. You also get a good view of the airfield and can see that they only used about half of its length. The aircraft registration indicates that this is airfield is probably in the Czech Republic.

More proof positive that the ROTAX motorglider has PLENTY of power for glider towing.

Tom

"Plenty of power" is a very subjective measurement. Adequate power for certain circumstances? Perhaps. I've towed some heavy rigs with a 260 horse Pawnee and then turned around and towed with a 235 and noticed the difference. Really appreciated the extra horses. On a hot day with a bit of crosswind you will want all the ponies in the remuda. And for the record, the Pawnee is a pussycat among taildraggers. If you can fly a super cub. you can fly a Pawnee, easily.

Walt Connelly

"...the Pawnee is a pussycat among taildraggers. If you can fly a super cub. you can fly a Pawnee, easily."
Agreed, absolutely, given the conversion briefing "for landing, do not raise the nose above the distant trees!".
Necessary for the Pawnee, not appropriate for other aircraft.
J.

On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 5:05:46 AM UTC-8, waltco...@aol.com wrote:
> "Plenty of power" is a very subjective measurement. Adequate power for certain circumstances? Perhaps. I've towed some heavy rigs with a 260 horse Pawnee and then turned around and towed with a 235 and noticed the difference. Really appreciated the extra horses. On a hot day with a bit of crosswind you will want all the ponies in the remuda. And for the record, the Pawnee is a pussycat among taildraggers. If you can fly a super cub. you can fly a Pawnee, easily.
>
> Walt Connelly

Of course, "plenty of power" means that the tow can be safely performed with an adequate safety margin. It DOES NOT mean that a Phoenix can do as many tows per whatever as a Pawnee. Another measure of performance is the fuel required per tow, which the Phoenix wins hands down. Yet another measure is the amount of noise generated in the vicinity of the airport, which, again, the Phoenix wins hands down. To conclude, the Phoenix wins in most categories. I am surprised that I have to explain this.

Tom

On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 1:12:31 AM UTC-5, 2G wrote:
> On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 5:05:46 AM UTC-8, waltco...@aol.com wrote:
> > "Plenty of power" is a very subjective measurement. Adequate power for certain circumstances? Perhaps. I've towed some heavy rigs with a 260 horse Pawnee and then turned around and towed with a 235 and noticed the difference. Really appreciated the extra horses. On a hot day with a bit of crosswind you will want all the ponies in the remuda. And for the record, the Pawnee is a pussycat among taildraggers. If you can fly a super cub. you can fly a Pawnee, easily.
> >
> > Walt Connelly
> Of course, "plenty of power" means that the tow can be safely performed with an adequate safety margin. It DOES NOT mean that a Phoenix can do as many tows per whatever as a Pawnee. Another measure of performance is the fuel required per tow, which the Phoenix wins hands down. Yet another measure is the amount of noise generated in the vicinity of the airport, which, again, the Phoenix wins hands down. To conclude, the Phoenix wins in most categories. I am surprised that I have to explain this.
>
> Tom
TO Nutcase, You are crazier than a pet raccoon! OBTP

On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 6:47:19 AM UTC-6, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 6:22:55 PM UTC-5, Eric Greenwell wrote:
> > On 1/2/2023 12:07 PM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 11:52:12 AM UTC-5, jfitch wrote:
> > >> On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 2:36:14 PM UTC-8, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >>> Old Bob, The Purist has come up with my resolution for the new year..
> > >>> Resolution #1- Be kind to motor glider pilots
> > >>> Resolution #2- They cannot help being motor glider pilots
> > >>> Resolution #3- Give those guys something to shoot for during the Geritol Classic at SLGP
> > >>> Does anyone really think that I can adhere to the first two resolutions? Old Bob, The Purist
> > >> No. In fact if you had posted that tomorrow, it would have been self violating. I'd suggest an alternative:
> > >>
> > >> Resolution #1: Get at least 10 cross country flights in a motorglider so you would have even the slightest idea what you are talking about.
> > >> Resolution #2: After accomplishing #1, come back and critique motorgliders based on some knowledge, rather than abject ignorance.
> > >>
> > >> How do those sound? My bet is you will not accomplish either of those sets of resolutions.
> > > Fitch, if I made ten cross country flights in a motorglider it would be 8 more than you have made in the last five years according to OLC, please correct me if I am wrong. Looks like the abject ignorance is part of your playbook.
> > > If a soaring pilot was to take ten cross country flights in a pure glider vs a motorglider it would be much more challenging, in my way of thinking the pure glider is much more challenging and dangerous than any motorglider. Getting in a motorglider and soaring for say 300 k and greater and then having to start the engine to return back to the departure point is a failure.
> > > I have no problem with self launch motorgliders, I might just own one someday, Eileen and I could roll out on our runway and takeoff without assistance. There is nothing that I could find fault with that type of flight. R does that and it is interesting, scores his flights then calls me to rattle my chain, it is all in fun and games. You also are invited to Vero, you may leave a better person. Your favorite purist, Old Bob, The Purist
> > A lot to unpack. Starting with the safety part:
> > " in my way of thinking the pure glider is much more challenging and dangerous than any
> > motorglider."
> > I don't know how Old Bod decided a pure glider is much more dangerous than a motorglider;
> > in fact, I (and most MG pilots) think the towed glider is safer, because self-launching in
> > a motorglider is more complicated the taking a tow. And, unlike Old Bob, most of us have
> > thousands of hours in motorized AND towed gliders.
> >
> > A towed glider pilot just gets in the tow line, waits his turn, follows the towplane, and
> > gets off in a thermal. His total exposure to the launch system is about 5 minutes. The MG
> > pilot has much more to do: he has to ensure the motor system is maintained and working
> > properly during the entire season, taxi safely to the launch point, determine it's safe to
> > take off, fly the glider and manage the engine, and finally do the shut-down and retraction.
> >
> > A successful self-retrieve avoids the potential for damage or injury during an off-airport
> > landing, but managing the engine start exposes the pilot to potential mistakes and
> > distractions the towed glider pilot doesn't have. A common one is trying too long to save
> > the flight, then failing the restart and subsequent landing because there isn't enough
> > altitude left.
> >
> > Please, please, anyone thinking of getting a motorglider DO NOT listen to Old Bob, because
> > he is not experienced enough with self-launchers give your good guidance, instead, read my
> > "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" (link in the signature line) and talk to
> > actual motorglider pilots.
> >
> > And now the "challenge" part: Old Bob should be able to understand that it's not the
> > glider type that determines the challenge, it's the pilot that determines the challenge.
> > Old Bob picks "soaring home" for his challenge, and his task is selected to provide the
> > amount of difficulty he wants. But, that's just Old Bob's choice, and it's not what makes
> > a pilot a Purist! Other pilots pick different challenges, like contests, record flying,
> > OLC points, or just getting as much out of a day as is possible. These challenges markedly
> > increase the chances of needing a retrieve, but they are just as "Purist" as the challenge
> > Old Bob has selected.
> >
> > So remember, motorglider pilots get a motorglider for convenience and accept the increased
> > hazard they present. They get one because it provides more flights in more places, more
> > challenges than they could get with a towed glider. I hope Old Bob and Eileen get one
> > ASAP, so they can have even more fun, more adventures than they have now.
> > --
> > Eric Greenwell - USA
> > - "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
> > https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
> Good morning Eric hope all is well and calm out in that part of the country, here in Florida things are great and the weather is nice.

Only way to avoid flooding nowadays it seems is to move somewhere with a severe drought. Except even California is screwed now.

mk5000

A boy gets a guitar and starts writing songs
About whiskey and women and getting too stoned
He got all three at the first show he played
Hometown says, “I don’t think Jesus done it that way”==Morgan Wallen – Don’t Think Jesus

On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 5:32:50 AM UTC-8, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 1:12:31 AM UTC-5, 2G wrote:
> > On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 5:05:46 AM UTC-8, waltco...@aol.com wrote:
> > > "Plenty of power" is a very subjective measurement. Adequate power for certain circumstances? Perhaps. I've towed some heavy rigs with a 260 horse Pawnee and then turned around and towed with a 235 and noticed the difference. Really appreciated the extra horses. On a hot day with a bit of crosswind you will want all the ponies in the remuda. And for the record, the Pawnee is a pussycat among taildraggers. If you can fly a super cub. you can fly a Pawnee, easily.
> > >
> > > Walt Connelly
> > Of course, "plenty of power" means that the tow can be safely performed with an adequate safety margin. It DOES NOT mean that a Phoenix can do as many tows per whatever as a Pawnee. Another measure of performance is the fuel required per tow, which the Phoenix wins hands down. Yet another measure is the amount of noise generated in the vicinity of the airport, which, again, the Phoenix wins hands down. To conclude, the Phoenix wins in most categories. I am surprised that I have to explain this.
> >
> > Tom
> TO Nutcase, You are crazier than a pet raccoon! OBTP

You're just like the Dims and Lyin' Biden: you are GUILTY of what you accuse OTHERS of. And speaking of the senile pervert, you fit this statement of his PERFECTLY: "We choose truth over facts."

On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 4:34:15 AM UTC-8, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 5:21:44 AM UTC-5, jean-mari...@gadz.org wrote:
> > Le dimanche 8 janvier 2023 à 09:43:10 UTC+1, youngbl...@gmail.com a écrit :
> >
> > > Eric, forget about towing with the Phoenix, it will not get the job done to any degree of satisfaction. You should get a better understanding from the tow pilots seat. OBTP
> > My dear "mister who knows everything and who has seen everything", and who pollutes this forum every day by giving lessons as God the father, I am revolted by your position.
> >
> > Remember that there are no bad planes nor bad gliders, only bad pilots and readers will choose which category to classify you.
> >
> > It is not possible to compare the Phoenix to the Pawnee, they are two completely different designs for two different uses and two different markets that have no relation to each other.
> >
> > There are fifty years of difference between these two projects (2009 and 1959).
> >
> > The first was designed in the ULM/LSA/ELA spirit where economy of use, light weight and simplicity of maintenance and use are the rules. No need for a certified engineer, no need for an official annual inspection, the owner is solely responsible. No need for a complex pilot's license, medical examination nor proof of skills, in Europe there are thousands of pilots available in this category. The 100 HP engine drinks a maximum of 4.7 gallons/h of Mogas, it tows a single-seater at more than 1,000 ft/min.
> >
> > The neighboring club has already made more than 1,000 tows with the Phoenix, mainly light two-seater school (ASK13) or single-seater training gliders, at a cost of a fraction of that of the Pawnee. The long asphalt runway allows safe take off. In Europe, gliding is not a sport for the rich or the silver-heads and the economy is fundamental in allowing young people to start flying, without whom there is no future. Not to mention the noise which is the main negative factor for light aviation.
> >
> > The Pawnee was designed to fly with nearly one ton of water, its empty weight is more than double than the one of the Phoenix, it is submitted to maintenance rules that are as strict as they are costly with semi-professional pilots whose number is decreasing year after year. With its 235 HP, it consumes 4 times more than the Phoenix of a very polluting fuel which should disappear and which costs a fortune (nearly 1 US$/gallon in Europe). It is an aviation dinosaur.
> >
> > A neighboring club uses it to tow heavy gliders on a short runway, it is very popular when the wind is strong and turbulent, because it increases the safety altitude at the end of the runway. Qualified tow pilots are not numerous and there is sometimes a long queue on the grid.
> >
> > These two machines therefore have their own place in the gliding landscape, you just have to choose the right one for the right application.
> >
> > Your statement “forget about towing with the Phoenix, it will not get the job done to any degree of satisfaction” therefore demonstrates a profound misunderstanding of the subject. You are not in a position to give a serious advice.
> >
> > Cordial regards
> >
> > jmc
> >
> > 7,000 hours in glider and light aircrafts, multi world record holder in glider, tow pilot on aircraft (since 1960 in a Fieseler Storch) and UL (since 2015). With absolutely no commercial interest in any sale of any aircraft.
> to JMC
> I am not impressed with your opinion on the Phoenix as a towplane, IMHO it is a platform that will not do the job to meet our needs, and it will not get the job done to any degree of satisfaction, maybe someone can tell me how well they are doing with a Phoenix in this country. I really love it when someone tries to equate the 912 Rotax to the O-540, your looking at Godzilla vs a Chimpanzee. So until the time comes when I see Phoenix motorgliders on the grid I will continue to stick with the beloved American designed and built Pawnee and I will not hold my breathe in anticipation of a Phoenix rolling down my 2000 foot grass runway trying to launch any glider including a single seat. I guess if I went to the cape and used their 14 k foot runway it might just get airborne. Please don't be revolted, reality is a comforting state of mind. Now take this as an invitation to join us here in Vero Beach and I will gladly let you jump into the Pawnee, AKA Towpecker fire up that 540 on steroids and experience for yourself how power increases safety, yet with so much time and as a tow pilot you should be the first to understand that concept. Thanks for being so responsive, Old Bob, The Purist

This post by PottyMouth contains a PROVABLE lie - does ANYBODY see it? It's not hard. I will give you a day to figure it out, then I will disclose it.

Tom

On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 9:24:14 PM UTC-8, 2G wrote:
> On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 4:34:15 AM UTC-8, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 5:21:44 AM UTC-5, jean-mari...@gadz.org wrote:
> > > Le dimanche 8 janvier 2023 à 09:43:10 UTC+1, youngbl...@gmail.com a écrit :
> > >
> > > > Eric, forget about towing with the Phoenix, it will not get the job done to any degree of satisfaction. You should get a better understanding from the tow pilots seat. OBTP
> > > My dear "mister who knows everything and who has seen everything", and who pollutes this forum every day by giving lessons as God the father, I am revolted by your position.
> > >
> > > Remember that there are no bad planes nor bad gliders, only bad pilots and readers will choose which category to classify you.
> > >
> > > It is not possible to compare the Phoenix to the Pawnee, they are two completely different designs for two different uses and two different markets that have no relation to each other.
> > >
> > > There are fifty years of difference between these two projects (2009 and 1959).
> > >
> > > The first was designed in the ULM/LSA/ELA spirit where economy of use, light weight and simplicity of maintenance and use are the rules. No need for a certified engineer, no need for an official annual inspection, the owner is solely responsible. No need for a complex pilot's license, medical examination nor proof of skills, in Europe there are thousands of pilots available in this category. The 100 HP engine drinks a maximum of 4.7 gallons/h of Mogas, it tows a single-seater at more than 1,000 ft/min.
> > >
> > > The neighboring club has already made more than 1,000 tows with the Phoenix, mainly light two-seater school (ASK13) or single-seater training gliders, at a cost of a fraction of that of the Pawnee. The long asphalt runway allows safe take off. In Europe, gliding is not a sport for the rich or the silver-heads and the economy is fundamental in allowing young people to start flying, without whom there is no future. Not to mention the noise which is the main negative factor for light aviation.
> > >
> > > The Pawnee was designed to fly with nearly one ton of water, its empty weight is more than double than the one of the Phoenix, it is submitted to maintenance rules that are as strict as they are costly with semi-professional pilots whose number is decreasing year after year. With its 235 HP, it consumes 4 times more than the Phoenix of a very polluting fuel which should disappear and which costs a fortune (nearly 1 US$/gallon in Europe). It is an aviation dinosaur.
> > >
> > > A neighboring club uses it to tow heavy gliders on a short runway, it is very popular when the wind is strong and turbulent, because it increases the safety altitude at the end of the runway. Qualified tow pilots are not numerous and there is sometimes a long queue on the grid.
> > >
> > > These two machines therefore have their own place in the gliding landscape, you just have to choose the right one for the right application.
> > >
> > > Your statement “forget about towing with the Phoenix, it will not get the job done to any degree of satisfaction” therefore demonstrates a profound misunderstanding of the subject. You are not in a position to give a serious advice.
> > >
> > > Cordial regards
> > >
> > > jmc
> > >
> > > 7,000 hours in glider and light aircrafts, multi world record holder in glider, tow pilot on aircraft (since 1960 in a Fieseler Storch) and UL (since 2015). With absolutely no commercial interest in any sale of any aircraft.
> > to JMC
> > I am not impressed with your opinion on the Phoenix as a towplane, IMHO it is a platform that will not do the job to meet our needs, and it will not get the job done to any degree of satisfaction, maybe someone can tell me how well they are doing with a Phoenix in this country. I really love it when someone tries to equate the 912 Rotax to the O-540, your looking at Godzilla vs a Chimpanzee. So until the time comes when I see Phoenix motorgliders on the grid I will continue to stick with the beloved American designed and built Pawnee and I will not hold my breathe in anticipation of a Phoenix rolling down my 2000 foot grass runway trying to launch any glider including a single seat. I guess if I went to the cape and used their 14 k foot runway it might just get airborne. Please don't be revolted, reality is a comforting state of mind. Now take this as an invitation to join us here in Vero Beach and I will gladly let you jump into the Pawnee, AKA Towpecker fire up that 540 on steroids and experience for yourself how power increases safety, yet with so much time and as a tow pilot you should be the first to understand that concept. Thanks for being so responsive, Old Bob, The Purist
> This post by PottyMouth contains a PROVABLE lie - does ANYBODY see it? It's not hard. I will give you a day to figure it out, then I will disclose it.
>
> Tom

Hmmm, PottyMouth is strangely silent - very uncharacteristic of him. Well, the lie is his claim that his runway is "2000 foot." On Google Earth it is about 3,800 feet, or nearly TWICE what PottyMouth said. If you look on AirNav X52 is listed at 3,120 feet (http://www.airnav.com/airport/x52), still much longer than 2,000 feet.

The question is WHY would PottyMouth lie about this? He certainly MUST know what the length of his runway is - this is REQUIRED information prior to flying from an airport. But WHY does PottyMouth lie about ANYTHING?

Tom

On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 8:49:43 PM UTC-5, 2G wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 9:24:14 PM UTC-8, 2G wrote:
> > On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 4:34:15 AM UTC-8, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 5:21:44 AM UTC-5, jean-mari...@gadz.org wrote:
> > > > Le dimanche 8 janvier 2023 à 09:43:10 UTC+1, youngbl...@gmail.com a écrit :
> > > >
> > > > > Eric, forget about towing with the Phoenix, it will not get the job done to any degree of satisfaction. You should get a better understanding from the tow pilots seat. OBTP
> > > > My dear "mister who knows everything and who has seen everything", and who pollutes this forum every day by giving lessons as God the father, I am revolted by your position.
> > > >
> > > > Remember that there are no bad planes nor bad gliders, only bad pilots and readers will choose which category to classify you.
> > > >
> > > > It is not possible to compare the Phoenix to the Pawnee, they are two completely different designs for two different uses and two different markets that have no relation to each other.
> > > >
> > > > There are fifty years of difference between these two projects (2009 and 1959).
> > > >
> > > > The first was designed in the ULM/LSA/ELA spirit where economy of use, light weight and simplicity of maintenance and use are the rules. No need for a certified engineer, no need for an official annual inspection, the owner is solely responsible. No need for a complex pilot's license, medical examination nor proof of skills, in Europe there are thousands of pilots available in this category. The 100 HP engine drinks a maximum of 4.7 gallons/h of Mogas, it tows a single-seater at more than 1,000 ft/min.
> > > >
> > > > The neighboring club has already made more than 1,000 tows with the Phoenix, mainly light two-seater school (ASK13) or single-seater training gliders, at a cost of a fraction of that of the Pawnee. The long asphalt runway allows safe take off. In Europe, gliding is not a sport for the rich or the silver-heads and the economy is fundamental in allowing young people to start flying, without whom there is no future. Not to mention the noise which is the main negative factor for light aviation.
> > > >
> > > > The Pawnee was designed to fly with nearly one ton of water, its empty weight is more than double than the one of the Phoenix, it is submitted to maintenance rules that are as strict as they are costly with semi-professional pilots whose number is decreasing year after year. With its 235 HP, it consumes 4 times more than the Phoenix of a very polluting fuel which should disappear and which costs a fortune (nearly 1 US$/gallon in Europe). It is an aviation dinosaur.
> > > >
> > > > A neighboring club uses it to tow heavy gliders on a short runway, it is very popular when the wind is strong and turbulent, because it increases the safety altitude at the end of the runway. Qualified tow pilots are not numerous and there is sometimes a long queue on the grid.
> > > >
> > > > These two machines therefore have their own place in the gliding landscape, you just have to choose the right one for the right application.
> > > >
> > > > Your statement “forget about towing with the Phoenix, it will not get the job done to any degree of satisfaction” therefore demonstrates a profound misunderstanding of the subject. You are not in a position to give a serious advice.
> > > >
> > > > Cordial regards
> > > >
> > > > jmc
> > > >
> > > > 7,000 hours in glider and light aircrafts, multi world record holder in glider, tow pilot on aircraft (since 1960 in a Fieseler Storch) and UL (since 2015). With absolutely no commercial interest in any sale of any aircraft.
> > > to JMC
> > > I am not impressed with your opinion on the Phoenix as a towplane, IMHO it is a platform that will not do the job to meet our needs, and it will not get the job done to any degree of satisfaction, maybe someone can tell me how well they are doing with a Phoenix in this country. I really love it when someone tries to equate the 912 Rotax to the O-540, your looking at Godzilla vs a Chimpanzee. So until the time comes when I see Phoenix motorgliders on the grid I will continue to stick with the beloved American designed and built Pawnee and I will not hold my breathe in anticipation of a Phoenix rolling down my 2000 foot grass runway trying to launch any glider including a single seat. I guess if I went to the cape and used their 14 k foot runway it might just get airborne. Please don't be revolted, reality is a comforting state of mind. Now take this as an invitation to join us here in Vero Beach and I will gladly let you jump into the Pawnee, AKA Towpecker fire up that 540 on steroids and experience for yourself how power increases safety, yet with so much time and as a tow pilot you should be the first to understand that concept. Thanks for being so responsive, Old Bob, The Purist
> > This post by PottyMouth contains a PROVABLE lie - does ANYBODY see it? It's not hard. I will give you a day to figure it out, then I will disclose it.
> >
> > Tom
> Hmmm, PottyMouth is strangely silent - very uncharacteristic of him. Well, the lie is his claim that his runway is "2000 foot." On Google Earth it is about 3,800 feet, or nearly TWICE what PottyMouth said. If you look on AirNav X52 is listed at 3,120 feet (http://www.airnav.com/airport/x52), still much longer than 2,000 feet.
>
> The question is WHY would PottyMouth lie about this? He certainly MUST know what the length of his runway is - this is REQUIRED information prior to flying from an airport. But WHY does PottyMouth lie about ANYTHING?
>
> Tom
DSM-5 you poor demented soul, obviously you cannot read. My runway is FD25, I also take off from my own home strip. Please check out for yourself, my runway is 2000 feet, looks like you are a bigger fool than I thought. Actually my strip total length is 2600 feet, but the distance between the threshold lights is 2000 as approved by FDOT aviation dept. Old Bob, The Purist

On 1/20/2023 4:06 AM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 8:49:43 PM UTC-5, 2G wrote:
>> ...
>> Hmmm, PottyMouth is strangely silent - very uncharacteristic of him. Well, the lie is his claim that his runway is "2000 foot." On Google Earth it is about 3,800 feet, or nearly TWICE what PottyMouth said. If you look on AirNav X52 is listed at 3,120 feet (http://www.airnav.com/airport/x52), still much longer than 2,000 feet.
>>
>> The question is WHY would PottyMouth lie about this? He certainly MUST know what the length of his runway is - this is REQUIRED information prior to flying from an airport. But WHY does PottyMouth lie about ANYTHING?
>>
>> Tom
> DSM-5 you poor demented soul, obviously you cannot read. My runway is FD25, I also take off from my own home strip. Please check out for yourself, my runway is 2000 feet, looks like you are a bigger fool than I thought. Actually my strip total length is 2600 feet, but the distance between the threshold lights is 2000 as approved by FDOT aviation dept. Old Bob, The Purist

Well, Old Bob, you fooled me, too. I thought we were talking about towing club gliders out
of New Hibiscus. You did not mention FD25 until now; instead, you said "my 2000 foot
grass runway" which I assumed referred to what we were talking about - New Hibiscus. I
would not take a tow out of a 2000' grass strip, regardless of the towplane, nor would I
self-launch from one. I'd go down the road to a bigger airport.

--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications

On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 9:43:01 AM UTC-5, Eric Greenwell wrote:
> On 1/20/2023 4:06 AM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 8:49:43 PM UTC-5, 2G wrote:
> >> ...
> >> Hmmm, PottyMouth is strangely silent - very uncharacteristic of him. Well, the lie is his claim that his runway is "2000 foot." On Google Earth it is about 3,800 feet, or nearly TWICE what PottyMouth said. If you look on AirNav X52 is listed at 3,120 feet (http://www.airnav.com/airport/x52), still much longer than 2,000 feet.
> >>
> >> The question is WHY would PottyMouth lie about this? He certainly MUST know what the length of his runway is - this is REQUIRED information prior to flying from an airport. But WHY does PottyMouth lie about ANYTHING?
> >>
> >> Tom
> > DSM-5 you poor demented soul, obviously you cannot read. My runway is FD25, I also take off from my own home strip. Please check out for yourself, my runway is 2000 feet, looks like you are a bigger fool than I thought. Actually my strip total length is 2600 feet, but the distance between the threshold lights is 2000 as approved by FDOT aviation dept. Old Bob, The Purist
> Well, Old Bob, you fooled me, too. I thought we were talking about towing club gliders out
> of New Hibiscus. You did not mention FD25 until now; instead, you said "my 2000 foot
> grass runway" which I assumed referred to what we were talking about - New Hibiscus. I
> would not take a tow out of a 2000' grass strip, regardless of the towplane, nor would I
> self-launch from one. I'd go down the road to a bigger airport.
> --
> Eric Greenwell - USA
> - "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
> https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
Eric, I have towed many gliders out of my place, FD25, and I have towed Eileen and others from my place. 2000 feet between the threshold is no big deal, overall length is 2600 and the no obstruction on either end works well. The word, "MY" is a possessive term, I know you engineers have difficulty with possessive nouns, remember almost any noun can become possessive. Lawyers have a better understanding of possessive nouns than most especially in divorce court where the wife or husband says, "Everything Is Mine"!
Tell DSM-5 to get a better understanding of the English language, he certainly may have the handle on OHM's LAW in theory but not from a possessive noun point of view. Old Bob, The Purist

On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 7:01:08 AM UTC-8, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 9:43:01 AM UTC-5, Eric Greenwell wrote:
> > On 1/20/2023 4:06 AM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 8:49:43 PM UTC-5, 2G wrote:
> > >> ...
> > >> Hmmm, PottyMouth is strangely silent - very uncharacteristic of him. Well, the lie is his claim that his runway is "2000 foot." On Google Earth it is about 3,800 feet, or nearly TWICE what PottyMouth said. If you look on AirNav X52 is listed at 3,120 feet (http://www.airnav.com/airport/x52), still much longer than 2,000 feet.
> > >>
> > >> The question is WHY would PottyMouth lie about this? He certainly MUST know what the length of his runway is - this is REQUIRED information prior to flying from an airport. But WHY does PottyMouth lie about ANYTHING?
> > >>
> > >> Tom
> > > DSM-5 you poor demented soul, obviously you cannot read. My runway is FD25, I also take off from my own home strip. Please check out for yourself, my runway is 2000 feet, looks like you are a bigger fool than I thought. Actually my strip total length is 2600 feet, but the distance between the threshold lights is 2000 as approved by FDOT aviation dept. Old Bob, The Purist
> > Well, Old Bob, you fooled me, too. I thought we were talking about towing club gliders out
> > of New Hibiscus. You did not mention FD25 until now; instead, you said "my 2000 foot
> > grass runway" which I assumed referred to what we were talking about - New Hibiscus. I
> > would not take a tow out of a 2000' grass strip, regardless of the towplane, nor would I
> > self-launch from one. I'd go down the road to a bigger airport.
> > --
> > Eric Greenwell - USA
> > - "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
> > https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
> Eric, I have towed many gliders out of my place, FD25, and I have towed Eileen and others from my place. 2000 feet between the threshold is no big deal, overall length is 2600 and the no obstruction on either end works well.. The word, "MY" is a possessive term, I know you engineers have difficulty with possessive nouns, remember almost any noun can become possessive. Lawyers have a better understanding of possessive nouns than most especially in divorce court where the wife or husband says, "Everything Is Mine"!
> Tell DSM-5 to get a better understanding of the English language, he certainly may have the handle on OHM's LAW in theory but not from a possessive noun point of view. Old Bob, The Purist

Hey PottyMouth, ALL references in the past have been for New Hibiscus, and YOU did not clarify anything but that, so I stand by the statement that you LIED. BTW, the Phoenix COULD tow off of "your" strip.

Tom