Am 29.09.22 um 03:31 schrieb nospam:
> In article <th2p2j$l86$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Bram van den Heuvel
> <braam456987@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>> Who disputed that this seemingly obscure small developer (Jamworks) (who
>>>> may be a nerdy kid working out of his mother's basement) seemingly copied
>>>> what Apple probably is planning on spending untold millions of dollars to
>>>> advertise as a big deal?
>>>>
>>>> If it's such a big deal to Apple, why was it seemingly so easy to copy?
>>>
>>> It's easy to copy FORM.
>>>
>>> Function is another matter entirely.
>>
>> We can agree the Android 'copy' was designed with many a function mentioned
>> in this thread that the Apple 'original' is unable to do according to the
>> original poster.
>
> that is factually false.

Why are you feeding this Arlen/Burnelli-Troll?

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On 9/28/2022 9:55 PM, Bram van den Heuvel wrote:

<snip>

> It doesn't matter to anyone but you whether it's copied since individual
> developers on both sides are free to copy whatever they want to copy.

Remember, the idea for a display at the top, that shows notifications,
is not new. It debuted on the LGV10 in 2015.

"The former can be kept on at all times, allowing you to check weather
information, battery status, time and other notifications while the main
display is switched off. When the big screen is on the small display can
be used as an app launcher or notification bar while you are watching
full-screen video or playing a game."

This was before OLED displays that could be put into low power mode. The
idea was to keep the notification display on, while the main display was
off, but the functionality is the same as "Dynamic Island." It's very
common for Apple to see a feature that is useful on an Android device,
and then add it to a future iPhone model, but in an improved manner.

Look at IP68, OLED screens, multi-lens cameras, phablets, wireless
charging, 120Hz LTPO displays, reverse wireless charging, hole punch
cameras, USB-C, folding displays, active styluses, under-screen
fingerprint readers, and eSIMs for example. Many of these Android
features have now been added to iPhone models, and some are coming in
future models. There's nothing wrong with this. Apple is what is known
in marketing parlance as a “fast follower.” Android manufacturers
sometimes add features that first appeared on iPhones as well, though it
doesn't happen as often as the reverse for a good reason; the Android
market is extremely competitive and it's a constant battle to be first
with new and useful features, while Apple is under much less pressure to
introduce new features since few iPhone users would move to Android
unless the features they want are extremely compelling.

In article <th3sb4$ku95$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> Remember, the idea for a display at the top, that shows notifications,
> is not new. It debuted on the LGV10 in 2015.

dynamic island is not a simple 'display at the top'.

anyone who claims that does not understand what it is and can do.

> Look at IP68, OLED screens, multi-lens cameras, phablets, wireless
> charging, 120Hz LTPO displays, reverse wireless charging, hole punch
> cameras, USB-C, folding displays, active styluses, under-screen
> fingerprint readers, and eSIMs for example. Many of these Android
> features have now been added to iPhone models, and some are coming in
> future models. There's nothing wrong with this. Apple is what is known
> in marketing parlance as a ³fast follower.²

false. apple has *far* more firsts than android. you are deliberately
omitting all of the firsts apple had, including retina displays, 64-bit
processors, bluetooth le, secure enclave, colorsync, truetone, wide
gamut displays, face id, airprint, uwb, heif/hevc, 3d touch, apple sim,
arkit, homekit, homekit secure video, healthkit, lidar, safety check,
variable refresh displays, magsafe, continuity & handoff, app tracking
transparency, find my, carplay, object capture, passkey, matter,
thread, app thinning, bitcode, personalized spatial audio, live
activities, dynamic island, pro-raw, dual-frequency gps, differential
privacy, facetime handoff, continuity camera, sign-in with apple, wifi
calling with icloud, bluetooth pair sync (with priority), centerstage,
quick-transfer, tap to pay, private relay, apple pencil and much more.

further, apple was first with usb-c (on mac), 120hz displays (on ipad)
and apple pencil with 240 hz sampling (on ipad). esims began as an
apple sim, which the industry adopted, although carriers were resistant
to support it.

folding phones do not work well and is a solution in search of a
problem. samsung had to delay the first galaxy fold because review
units broke within a day. that's bad. under-screen fingerprint sensors
do not work anywhere near as well as a physical fingerprint sensor or
face id. being first with something that doesn't work well (or at all)
is not a good business strategy.

<https://www.vice.com/en/article/zmpvny/review-units-of-samsungs-folding-
smartphone-have-broken-almost-immediately>
Samsung¹s new foldable smartphone is set to launch on April 26, but
it appears the company may have a mess on its hands. Multiple
reviewers with early access to the phones say they have been breaking
after just a day or two of use. It¹s not a good sign for a phone that
costs $1,980.

<https://www.androidcentral.com/in-screen-fingerprint-sensors-suck>
Being slower than regular fingerprint sensors is the best case
scenario. The worst is having these in-screen sensors regularly
misread your fingerprint, requiring you to give multiple attempts
before your phone finally unlocks.

> Android manufacturers
> sometimes add features that first appeared on iPhones as well, though it
> doesn't happen as often as the reverse for a good reason; the Android
> market is extremely competitive and it's a constant battle to be first
> with new and useful features, while Apple is under much less pressure to
> introduce new features since few iPhone users would move to Android
> unless the features they want are extremely compelling.

very much false. the market is highly competitive, for all device
makers.

In article <th3bgp$89no$3@solani.org>, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
wrote:

> >>
> >> We can agree the Android 'copy' was designed with many a function mentioned
> >> in this thread that the Apple 'original' is unable to do according to the
> >> original poster.
> >
> > that is factually false.
>
> Why are you feeding this Arlen/Burnelli-Troll?

so that people are not misled by deliberate disinformation, from both
he and sms. neither of them like the truth.

On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 09:01:21 -0400, nospam wrote:

> so that people are not misled by deliberate disinformation, from both
> he and sms. neither of them like the truth.

Projection. That's what YOU are doing.
The OP and I listed what the Android 'copy' does.

It's YOUR turn to back up your point of view.
Put up or shut up.

What does the Apple 'original' do that this Android 'copy' does not do?
If you do not respond with THAT answer, then shut up as you know nothing.

Am 29.09.22 um 16:57 schrieb Bram van den Heuvel:
> On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 09:01:21 -0400, nospam wrote:
>
>> so that people are not misled by deliberate disinformation, from both
>> he and sms. neither of them like the truth.
>
> Projection. That's what YOU are doing.
> The OP and I listed what the Android 'copy' does.

sms is senile and you are a braindead Troll. Burnelli/Arlen, did they
throw you ot at Facebook, Insta and Twitter?

If nospam would not answer you ...

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On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 09:01:19 -0400, nospam wrote:

> In article <th3sb4$ku95$1@dont-email.me>, sms
> <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Remember, the idea for a display at the top, that shows notifications,
>> is not new. It debuted on the LGV10 in 2015.
>
> dynamic island is not a simple 'display at the top'.
>
> anyone who claims that does not understand what it is and can do.
>
>
>> Look at IP68, OLED screens, multi-lens cameras, phablets, wireless
>> charging, 120Hz LTPO displays, reverse wireless charging, hole punch
>> cameras, USB-C, folding displays, active styluses, under-screen
>> fingerprint readers, and eSIMs for example. Many of these Android
>> features have now been added to iPhone models, and some are coming in
>> future models. There's nothing wrong with this. Apple is what is known
>> in marketing parlance as a ?fast follower.?
>
> false. apple has *far* more firsts than android. you are deliberately
> omitting all of the firsts apple had, including retina displays, 64-bit
> processors, bluetooth le, secure enclave, colorsync, truetone, wide
> gamut displays, face id, airprint, uwb, heif/hevc, 3d touch, apple sim,
> arkit, homekit, homekit secure video, healthkit, lidar, safety check,
> variable refresh displays, magsafe, continuity & handoff, app tracking
> transparency, find my, carplay, object capture, passkey, matter,
> thread, app thinning, bitcode, personalized spatial audio, live
> activities, dynamic island, pro-raw, dual-frequency gps, differential
> privacy, facetime handoff, continuity camera, sign-in with apple, wifi
> calling with icloud, bluetooth pair sync (with priority), centerstage,
> quick-transfer, tap to pay, private relay, apple pencil and much more.
>
> further, apple was first with usb-c (on mac), 120hz displays (on ipad)
> and apple pencil with 240 hz sampling (on ipad). esims began as an
> apple sim, which the industry adopted, although carriers were resistant
> to support it.
>
> folding phones do not work well and is a solution in search of a
> problem. samsung had to delay the first galaxy fold because review
> units broke within a day. that's bad. under-screen fingerprint sensors
> do not work anywhere near as well as a physical fingerprint sensor or
> face id. being first with something that doesn't work well (or at all)
> is not a good business strategy.
>
> <https://www.vice.com/en/article/zmpvny/review-units-of-samsungs-folding-
> smartphone-have-broken-almost-immediately>
> Samsung?s new foldable smartphone is set to launch on April 26, but
> it appears the company may have a mess on its hands. Multiple
> reviewers with early access to the phones say they have been breaking
> after just a day or two of use. It?s not a good sign for a phone that
> costs $1,980.
>
> <https://www.androidcentral.com/in-screen-fingerprint-sensors-suck>
> Being slower than regular fingerprint sensors is the best case
> scenario. The worst is having these in-screen sensors regularly
> misread your fingerprint, requiring you to give multiple attempts
> before your phone finally unlocks.
>
>
>> Android manufacturers
>> sometimes add features that first appeared on iPhones as well, though it
>> doesn't happen as often as the reverse for a good reason; the Android
>> market is extremely competitive and it's a constant battle to be first
>> with new and useful features, while Apple is under much less pressure to
>> introduce new features since few iPhone users would move to Android
>> unless the features they want are extremely compelling.
>
> very much false. the market is highly competitive, for all device
> makers.

It only matters to you who copied the idea since individual developers
outside of Google or Apple are free to copy any ideas they want to copy.

The OP and others listed what the Android 'copy' does (such as work on all
Android phones instead of just one version of iPhone).

Either put up or shut up.
Without that claim, you know nothing.

What is your claim that the Apple 'original' does that the Android copy
does not do?

On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 17:58:18 +0200, Joerg Lorenz wrote:

> Am 29.09.22 um 16:57 schrieb Bram van den Heuvel:
>> On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 09:01:21 -0400, nospam wrote:
>>
>>> so that people are not misled by deliberate disinformation, from both
>>> he and sms. neither of them like the truth.
>>
>> Projection. That's what YOU are doing.
>> The OP and I listed what the Android 'copy' does.
>
> sms is senile and you are a braindead Troll. Burnelli/Arlen, did they
> throw you ot at Facebook, Insta and Twitter?
>
> If nospam would not answer you ...

What does the Apple 'original' do that this Android 'copy' does not do?
If you do not respond with THAT answer, then shut up as you know nothing.

On 2022-09-28 17:32, Bram van den Heuvel wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 11:38:02 -0700, Alan wrote:
>
>> On 2022-09-28 10:54, Bram van den Heuvel wrote:
>>> On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 10:48:55 -0700, Alan wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-09-28 10:27, Bram van den Heuvel wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 10:17:21 -0700, Alan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2022-09-28 10:14, Bram van den Heuvel wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 12:50:40 -0400, nospam wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In article <th1sc7$1jdm$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Bram van den Heuvel
>>>>>>>> <braam456987@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> android is always copying stuff apple does
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is this Android copying Apple stuff as you said or really just one Android
>>>>>>>>> /DEVELOPER/ copying Apple stuff (which is what you maybe had meant to say)?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> it's not just one developer and not just one feature either.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First you said it's Android that developed dynamic Spot, which is wrong.
>>>>>>> And now you say that multiple developers delivered dynamic Spot, which is
>>>>>>> also wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No. That is not what he was saying; quite obviously not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why are you making all this easily shown to be wrong stuff up?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As far as I can see only one developer (Jamworks) developed Dynamic Spot.
>>>>>>> What other developers are you claiming copied Apple's Dynamic Island?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He made no such claim.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then what is his claim with respect to the one seemingly obscure small
>>>>> developer (Jamworks) and the one app being discussed (Dynamic Spot)?
>>>>
>>>> That Android developerS have individually copied various featureS from iOS
>>>
>>>
>>> Who disputed that this seemingly obscure small developer (Jamworks) (who
>>> may be a nerdy kid working out of his mother's basement) seemingly copied
>>> what Apple probably is planning on spending untold millions of dollars to
>>> advertise as a big deal?
>>>
>>> If it's such a big deal to Apple, why was it seemingly so easy to copy?
>>
>> It's easy to copy FORM.
>>
>> Function is another matter entirely.
>
> We can agree the Android 'copy' was designed with many a function mentioned
> in this thread that the Apple 'original' is unable to do according to the
> original poster.
>
> For example, the Android 'copy' works for all Android devices.
> The Apple app is only on the iPhone 14 Pro and Pro Max.
>
> The Android 'copy' can be set for each and every app on the phone.
> The Apple app can't.
>
> The Android 'copy' doesn't connect to the Internet which affects privacy.
> The Apple app does.
>
> The Android 'copy' can be deleted if you don't want to use it.
> The Apple app can't be turned off.
>
> No word yet of the Apple 'original' can do the other user selectable things
> mentioned in this thread that the Android copy does such as change the size
> of the popup offset position and the offset size of X & Y, edge rounding,
> multiple popups, swipe to clear, autohide and touching outside options.
>
> I'm sure the Apple original does something that the Android 'copy' does not
> as all apps have differences when you compare them.
>
> Please say what you think the Apple 'original' does that the Android 'copy'
> doesn't do (or shut up if you don't know anything of what you're talking
> about).

You need to learn what "function" means in the context of software.

On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 10:57:03 -0700, Alan wrote:

> On 2022-09-28 17:32, Bram van den Heuvel wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 11:38:02 -0700, Alan wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-09-28 10:54, Bram van den Heuvel wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 10:48:55 -0700, Alan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2022-09-28 10:27, Bram van den Heuvel wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 10:17:21 -0700, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2022-09-28 10:14, Bram van den Heuvel wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 12:50:40 -0400, nospam wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In article <th1sc7$1jdm$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Bram van den Heuvel
>>>>>>>>> <braam456987@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> android is always copying stuff apple does
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Is this Android copying Apple stuff as you said or really just one Android
>>>>>>>>>> /DEVELOPER/ copying Apple stuff (which is what you maybe had meant to say)?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> it's not just one developer and not just one feature either.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> First you said it's Android that developed dynamic Spot, which is wrong.
>>>>>>>> And now you say that multiple developers delivered dynamic Spot, which is
>>>>>>>> also wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No. That is not what he was saying; quite obviously not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why are you making all this easily shown to be wrong stuff up?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As far as I can see only one developer (Jamworks) developed Dynamic Spot.
>>>>>>>> What other developers are you claiming copied Apple's Dynamic Island?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He made no such claim.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then what is his claim with respect to the one seemingly obscure small
>>>>>> developer (Jamworks) and the one app being discussed (Dynamic Spot)?
>>>>>
>>>>> That Android developerS have individually copied various featureS from iOS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Who disputed that this seemingly obscure small developer (Jamworks) (who
>>>> may be a nerdy kid working out of his mother's basement) seemingly copied
>>>> what Apple probably is planning on spending untold millions of dollars to
>>>> advertise as a big deal?
>>>>
>>>> If it's such a big deal to Apple, why was it seemingly so easy to copy?
>>>
>>> It's easy to copy FORM.
>>>
>>> Function is another matter entirely.
>>
>> We can agree the Android 'copy' was designed with many a function mentioned
>> in this thread that the Apple 'original' is unable to do according to the
>> original poster.
>>
>> For example, the Android 'copy' works for all Android devices.
>> The Apple app is only on the iPhone 14 Pro and Pro Max.
>>
>> The Android 'copy' can be set for each and every app on the phone.
>> The Apple app can't.
>>
>> The Android 'copy' doesn't connect to the Internet which affects privacy.
>> The Apple app does.
>>
>> The Android 'copy' can be deleted if you don't want to use it.
>> The Apple app can't be turned off.
>>
>> No word yet of the Apple 'original' can do the other user selectable things
>> mentioned in this thread that the Android copy does such as change the size
>> of the popup offset position and the offset size of X & Y, edge rounding,
>> multiple popups, swipe to clear, autohide and touching outside options.
>>
>> I'm sure the Apple original does something that the Android 'copy' does not
>> as all apps have differences when you compare them.
>>
>> Please say what you think the Apple 'original' does that the Android 'copy'
>> doesn't do (or shut up if you don't know anything of what you're talking
>> about).
>
> You need to learn what "function" means in the context of software.

The Android 'copy' does things the Apple 'original' doesn't do (for
example, it works on all Android devices, not just on one or two of them,
and, for example, it's settable per app, and it can be removed if it's no
longer wanted).

Either put up or shut up.
What does the Apple 'original' do that the Android 'copy' doesn't do.