https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/11/rip-google-hangouts-googles-last-best-chance-to-compete-with-imessage/
RIP Google Hangouts, Google's last, best chance to compete with iMessage

Google Hangouts is scheduled for death today.

The phone app has been individually booting people off the service since
July, but the last vestiges of Hangouts, the web app, will be shut down
today.

The closing of Hangouts is the latest chapter in the mess that is Google's
messaging history.

Google Talk launched 17 years ago.
The Google Workspace team makes Google Chat.
And then there's Google Messages, a carrier-centric sort-of-competitor to
Apple's iMessage that seemingly grew out of the Android team.

Besides those two big projects, there's also still Google Voice and a bunch
of siloed messaging services in apps like Google Photos and Google Pay.

Inside iMessage, Apple shames Android users by displaying their messages in
green bubbles instead of iMessage's blue bubbles, and The Youths have
apparently been following Apple's lead and bullying people over their
choice of phone. Google is now facing a reality where The Wall Street
Journal publishes articles about how "Teens Dread the Green Text Bubble,"
and pop star Drake is writing Billboard Top 100 songs about the inner
workings of iMessage. The result of all of this is that a staggering 87
percent of US teenagers have iPhones now, all because Google didn't view
messaging as valuable.

Google created this future for itself through years of questionable
management of its product portfolio. The company is slowly realizing how
important messaging is, eight years too late, and is now launching the
rather hopeless "Get the Message" campaign, which begs Apple to support the
latest shiny messaging bauble that Google is temporarily interested in.
That bauble is RCS, a minor upgrade to carrier-based SMS texting. It's not
clear how locking the next messaging platform into a carrier number would
solve any of Google's problems.

Apple has already said no to Google's proposition. The company is not
interested in propping up its main competitor and giving up an incredible
market advantage that it built up while Google was seemingly not paying
attention. Apple views iMessage as a reason to buy an iPhone and a reason
to pressure your social circle into buying an iPhone, and the strategy is
working incredibly well.

Google needs to develop a time machine if it wants to solve this problem.
Then it can go back to 2015 and read a few Ars Technica articles, where we
regularly told the company that letting Hangouts die would be a bad idea.
Hangouts was Google's only shot at beating iMessage, and as it lays
Hangouts to rest, Google should also give up on any hope of winning the
messaging war. The company now has to face the consequences of its actions

NewsKrawler <newskrawl@krawl.org> wrote:
> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/11/rip-google-hangouts-googles-last-best-chance-to-compete-with-imessage/
> RIP Google Hangouts, Google's last, best chance to compete with iMessage
>
> Google Hangouts is scheduled for death today.
>
> The phone app has been individually booting people off the service since
> July, but the last vestiges of Hangouts, the web app, will be shut down
> today.
>
> The closing of Hangouts is the latest chapter in the mess that is Google's
> messaging history.
>
> Google Talk launched 17 years ago.
> The Google Workspace team makes Google Chat.
> And then there's Google Messages, a carrier-centric sort-of-competitor to
> Apple's iMessage that seemingly grew out of the Android team.
>
> Besides those two big projects, there's also still Google Voice and a bunch
> of siloed messaging services in apps like Google Photos and Google Pay.
>
> Inside iMessage, Apple shames Android users by displaying their messages in
> green bubbles instead of iMessage's blue bubbles, and The Youths have
> apparently been following Apple's lead and bullying people over their
> choice of phone. Google is now facing a reality where The Wall Street
> Journal publishes articles about how "Teens Dread the Green Text Bubble,"
> and pop star Drake is writing Billboard Top 100 songs about the inner
> workings of iMessage. The result of all of this is that a staggering 87
> percent of US teenagers have iPhones now, all because Google didn't view
> messaging as valuable.
>
> Google created this future for itself through years of questionable
> management of its product portfolio. The company is slowly realizing how
> important messaging is, eight years too late, and is now launching the
> rather hopeless "Get the Message" campaign, which begs Apple to support the
> latest shiny messaging bauble that Google is temporarily interested in.
> That bauble is RCS, a minor upgrade to carrier-based SMS texting. It's not
> clear how locking the next messaging platform into a carrier number would
> solve any of Google's problems.
>
> Apple has already said no to Google's proposition. The company is not
> interested in propping up its main competitor and giving up an incredible
> market advantage that it built up while Google was seemingly not paying
> attention. Apple views iMessage as a reason to buy an iPhone and a reason
> to pressure your social circle into buying an iPhone, and the strategy is
> working incredibly well.
>
> Google needs to develop a time machine if it wants to solve this problem.
> Then it can go back to 2015 and read a few Ars Technica articles, where we
> regularly told the company that letting Hangouts die would be a bad idea.
> Hangouts was Google's only shot at beating iMessage, and as it lays
> Hangouts to rest, Google should also give up on any hope of winning the
> messaging war. The company now has to face the consequences of its actions

Meanwhile in Europe - and probably most of the rest of the western
world - we're shaking our heads about all this nonsense, including
iMessage, the walled-garden non-alternative. Our IM (and more) runs on
Android *and* iOS and can be accessed (display, keyboard, 'mouse') from
all other major platforms. Problems? What problems?

Am 01.11.22 um 20:12 schrieb Frank Slootweg:
> NewsKrawler <newskrawl@krawl.org> wrote:
>> Google needs to develop a time machine if it wants to solve this problem.
>> Then it can go back to 2015 and read a few Ars Technica articles, where we
>> regularly told the company that letting Hangouts die would be a bad idea.
>> Hangouts was Google's only shot at beating iMessage, and as it lays
>> Hangouts to rest, Google should also give up on any hope of winning the
>> messaging war. The company now has to face the consequences of its actions
>
> Meanwhile in Europe - and probably most of the rest of the western
> world - we're shaking our heads about all this nonsense, including
> iMessage, the walled-garden non-alternative.

Bullshit. In markets like Switzerland and France the market share of
iphones is above 50%.

Our IM (and more) runs on
> Android *and* iOS and can be accessed (display, keyboard, 'mouse') from
> all other major platforms. Problems? What problems?

*ROTFLSTC*. WhatsApp is not an option for adult people and in many
domains it is even forbidden.

--
Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

On 2022-11-01 20:12, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> NewsKrawler <newskrawl@krawl.org> wrote:

> Meanwhile in Europe - and probably most of the rest of the western
> world - we're shaking our heads about all this nonsense, including
> iMessage, the walled-garden non-alternative. Our IM (and more) runs on
> Android *and* iOS and can be accessed (display, keyboard, 'mouse') from
> all other major platforms. Problems? What problems?

I just read this morning about a mandate that wasap, signal, telegram,
must cooperate by law, so that a client on any of them can message any
other client in any of the other platforms.

DMA law.

Meanwhile, Apple and Google must allow third party shops.
And we will be able to uninstall *any app* we don't like.

Apps will be able to charge money outside of the platform methods (this
one affects W11).

The link I have is in Spanish.

<https://computerhoy.com/noticias/tecnologia/ley-mercados-digitales-union-europea-1148975>

You can use a translator or find another source :-D

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 01-11-2022 16:31 NewsKrawler <newskrawl@krawl.org> wrote:

> Apple shames Android users by displaying their messages in
> green bubbles instead of iMessage's blue bubbles

How does the color green shame those with blue colors?

Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
> Am 01.11.22 um 20:12 schrieb Frank Slootweg:
> > NewsKrawler <newskrawl@krawl.org> wrote:
> >> Google needs to develop a time machine if it wants to solve this problem.
> >> Then it can go back to 2015 and read a few Ars Technica articles, where we
> >> regularly told the company that letting Hangouts die would be a bad idea.
> >> Hangouts was Google's only shot at beating iMessage, and as it lays
> >> Hangouts to rest, Google should also give up on any hope of winning the
> >> messaging war. The company now has to face the consequences of its actions
> >
> > Meanwhile in Europe - and probably most of the rest of the western
> > world - we're shaking our heads about all this nonsense, including
> > iMessage, the walled-garden non-alternative.
>
> Bullshit. In markets like Switzerland and France the market share of
> iphones is above 50%.

I said Europe, which is quite a bit more than France, let alone
Switzerland. Anyway, it's not about marketshare (of phones), it's about
cross-platform IM.

> > Our IM (and more) runs on
> > Android *and* iOS and can be accessed (display, keyboard, 'mouse') from
> > all other major platforms. Problems? What problems?
>
> *ROTFLSTC*. WhatsApp is not an option for adult people and in many
> domains it is even forbidden.

You keep repeating that urban legend. Back in the real world, even
governments, military, etc. are using WhatsApp. But keep on dreaming.

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2022-11-01 20:12, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > NewsKrawler <newskrawl@krawl.org> wrote:
>
>
> > Meanwhile in Europe - and probably most of the rest of the western
> > world - we're shaking our heads about all this nonsense, including
> > iMessage, the walled-garden non-alternative. Our IM (and more) runs on
> > Android *and* iOS and can be accessed (display, keyboard, 'mouse') from
> > all other major platforms. Problems? What problems?
>
> I just read this morning about a mandate that wasap, signal, telegram,
> must cooperate by law, so that a client on any of them can message any
> other client in any of the other platforms.
>
> DMA law.

Yes, interesting times. I assume that Apple's iMessage will also be
included in this list of IM platforms, but I don't see it mentioned in
your reference.

> Meanwhile, Apple and Google must allow third party shops.
> And we will be able to uninstall *any app* we don't like.
>
> Apps will be able to charge money outside of the platform methods (this
> one affects W11).
>
> The link I have is in Spanish.
>
> <https://computerhoy.com/noticias/tecnologia/ley-mercados-digitales-union-europea-1148975>
>
> You can use a translator or find another source :-D

Google Translator did a rather good job. Oops! I mentioned Google, one
of The Bad Guys! :-)

On 2022-11-02 17:05, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
>> Am 01.11.22 um 20:12 schrieb Frank Slootweg:
>>> NewsKrawler <newskrawl@krawl.org> wrote:
>>>> Google needs to develop a time machine if it wants to solve this problem.
>>>> Then it can go back to 2015 and read a few Ars Technica articles, where we
>>>> regularly told the company that letting Hangouts die would be a bad idea.
>>>> Hangouts was Google's only shot at beating iMessage, and as it lays
>>>> Hangouts to rest, Google should also give up on any hope of winning the
>>>> messaging war. The company now has to face the consequences of its actions
>>>
>>> Meanwhile in Europe - and probably most of the rest of the western
>>> world - we're shaking our heads about all this nonsense, including
>>> iMessage, the walled-garden non-alternative.
>>
>> Bullshit. In markets like Switzerland and France the market share of
>> iphones is above 50%.
>
> I said Europe, which is quite a bit more than France, let alone
> Switzerland. Anyway, it's not about marketshare (of phones), it's about
> cross-platform IM.
>
>>> Our IM (and more) runs on
>>> Android *and* iOS and can be accessed (display, keyboard, 'mouse') from
>>> all other major platforms. Problems? What problems?
>>
>> *ROTFLSTC*. WhatsApp is not an option for adult people and in many
>> domains it is even forbidden.
>
> You keep repeating that urban legend. Back in the real world, even
> governments, military, etc. are using WhatsApp. But keep on dreaming.

It has been forbidden in Switzerland, for the military and maybe others.
I am learning that Switzerland has quite some differences than the rest
of Europe. Or maybe Europe is many different countries :-D

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Just a data point: hangouts is still working in FF82/linux. In
Chrome[old]/linux too. Keep it to yourselves, maybe the bastards don't
know...

I looked at 'chat' and was appalled. Narrow columns are so EASY to
read, as opposed to a wide 120-character (no, I didn't count, just a
guess) line. Why are the google people such idiots?

--
Cheers, Bev
"The last thing you want is for somebody to commit suicide
before executing them."
-Gary Deland, former Utah director for corrections

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2022-11-02 17:05, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
> >> Am 01.11.22 um 20:12 schrieb Frank Slootweg:
> >>> NewsKrawler <newskrawl@krawl.org> wrote:
> >>>> Google needs to develop a time machine if it wants to solve this problem.
> >>>> Then it can go back to 2015 and read a few Ars Technica articles, where we
> >>>> regularly told the company that letting Hangouts die would be a bad idea.
> >>>> Hangouts was Google's only shot at beating iMessage, and as it lays
> >>>> Hangouts to rest, Google should also give up on any hope of winning the
> >>>> messaging war. The company now has to face the consequences of its actions
> >>>
> >>> Meanwhile in Europe - and probably most of the rest of the western
> >>> world - we're shaking our heads about all this nonsense, including
> >>> iMessage, the walled-garden non-alternative.
> >>
> >> Bullshit. In markets like Switzerland and France the market share of
> >> iphones is above 50%.
> >
> > I said Europe, which is quite a bit more than France, let alone
> > Switzerland. Anyway, it's not about marketshare (of phones), it's about
> > cross-platform IM.
> >
> >>> Our IM (and more) runs on
> >>> Android *and* iOS and can be accessed (display, keyboard, 'mouse') from
> >>> all other major platforms. Problems? What problems?
> >>
> >> *ROTFLSTC*. WhatsApp is not an option for adult people and in many
> >> domains it is even forbidden.
> >
> > You keep repeating that urban legend. Back in the real world, even
> > governments, military, etc. are using WhatsApp. But keep on dreaming.
>
> It has been forbidden in Switzerland, for the military and maybe others.
> I am learning that Switzerland has quite some differences than the rest
> of Europe. Or maybe Europe is many different countries :-D

I'm quite willing to believe that Switzerland is ddifferent, but Joerg
shouldn't extrapolating the Swiss situation to the rest of Europe.

Am 02.11.22 um 17:05 schrieb Frank Slootweg:
> Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
> You keep repeating that urban legend. Back in the real world, even
> governments, military, etc. are using WhatsApp. But keep on dreaming.

Dummschwätzer.

--
Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

Am 04.11.22 um 22:45 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
> On 2022-11-02 17:05, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>> You keep repeating that urban legend. Back in the real world, even
>> governments, military, etc. are using WhatsApp. But keep on dreaming.
>
> It has been forbidden in Switzerland, for the military and maybe others.
> I am learning that Switzerland has quite some differences than the rest
> of Europe. Or maybe Europe is many different countries :-D

WA-users can be held liable for unsolicited spreading of personal data
in the whole of the EU and most other European countries. Why do you
think companies forbid the use of WA on their own phones?

And it is undeniable that adult users with a brain do not use
Zuckerberg-services and affect other people with this behavior against
their will.

--
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Am 04.11.22 um 22:45 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
> It has been forbidden in Switzerland, for the military and maybe others.
> I am learning that Switzerland has quite some differences than the rest
> of Europe. Or maybe Europe is many different countries :-D

We all know that you have very intense relationship to WA.

https://www.swisspoliceict.ch/getattachment/3f27ad34-0123-4956-b77b-45af4a71a0e5/Abraxas-(1).aspx

--
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Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
> Am 04.11.22 um 22:45 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
> > On 2022-11-02 17:05, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> >> You keep repeating that urban legend. Back in the real world, even
> >> governments, military, etc. are using WhatsApp. But keep on dreaming.
> >
> > It has been forbidden in Switzerland, for the military and maybe others.
> > I am learning that Switzerland has quite some differences than the rest
> > of Europe. Or maybe Europe is many different countries :-D
>
> WA-users can be held liable for unsolicited spreading of personal data
> in the whole of the EU and most other European countries. Why do you
> think companies forbid the use of WA on their own phones?

"Dummschwätzer"!

Repeating your urban legends and expanding them, doesn't make them any
less urban legends.

'companies' do *not* "forbid the use of WA on their own phones"!
Perhaps *some* companies do, but not most, let alone all. Again an empty
urban legend.

As I said even governments, military, etc. are using WhatsApp, despite
your urban legends, FUD and footstamping.

If you think "WA-users can be held liable for unsolicited spreading of
personal data ...", then provide a credible cite, or kindly shut up.

BTW, you *do* realize that (WhatsApp's) "unsolicited spreading of
personal data" is a bogus claim, which has been debunked several times
in this group, don't you!?

> And it is undeniable that adult users with a brain do not use
> Zuckerberg-services and affect other people with this behavior against
> their will.

Well some people, who implicitly claim to be "adult users with a
brain" are apparently unable to distinguish fiction from fact.

Am 06.11.22 um 14:24 schrieb Frank Slootweg:
>> And it is undeniable that adult users with a brain do not use
>> Zuckerberg-services and affect other people with this behavior against
>> their will.
>
> Well some people, who implicitly claim to be "adult users with a
> brain" are apparently unable to distinguish fiction from fact.

As so often you show your undifferentiated fanboy-attitude towards
WhatsApp.

No serious institution or company is communicating on proprietary
IM-channels, let alone law-enforcement or military. Even not the Dutch
Army or any other.

--
Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> said:

> Even not the Dutch Army or any other.

Is that the same Dutch Army who surrendered their entire country to an
invading force in less time than it takes to digest your breakfast meal?

4 hours

Oh wait, that was Denmark (these tiny countries that forfeited any right to
exist & who had to be rescued by others across the pond are confusing).

The Dutch surrendered everything they held dear in the Slag om Nederland in
less time than it takes someone to recover from a bout of the common cold.

4 days

Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
> Am 06.11.22 um 14:24 schrieb Frank Slootweg:
> >> And it is undeniable that adult users with a brain do not use
> >> Zuckerberg-services and affect other people with this behavior against
> >> their will.
> >
> > Well some people, who implicitly claim to be "adult users with a
> > brain" are apparently unable to distinguish fiction from fact.

Ah, we have now 'progressed' to pathetic, dishonest, silent snipping,
have we!?

> As so often you show your undifferentiated fanboy-attitude towards
> WhatsApp.

No fanboi at all. Just being realistic when there's no real
alternative. Can you say Google, Microsoft, Apple, etc.?

> No serious institution or company is communicating on proprietary
> IM-channels, let alone law-enforcement or military. Even not the Dutch
> Army or any other.

As I said, and you cowardly snipped, governments, military, etc. are
using WhatsApp. And yes, that includes the Dutch government and the
Dutch military (but of course the latter in low(er)-risk situations or
where the gain outweighs the risks).

But for all means keep stamping your feet. This group can use some
entertainment.

And BTW, can you please repost your proof of your claim "WA-users can
be held liable for unsolicited spreading of personal data ..."? For some
reason my NSP filtered it as fake news.

allen <allen@spam.com> wrote:
> Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> said:
>
> > Even not the Dutch Army or any other.
>
> Is that the same Dutch Army who surrendered their entire country to an
> invading force in less time than it takes to digest your breakfast meal?
>
> 4 hours
>
> Oh wait, that was Denmark (these tiny countries that forfeited any right to
> exist & who had to be rescued by others across the pond are confusing).
>
> The Dutch surrendered everything they held dear in the Slag om Nederland in
> less time than it takes someone to recover from a bout of the common cold.
>
> 4 days

Oh great, some anonymous coward 'allen' pops up out of nowhere and has
the audacity to disparage the courage of others.

Which part of "across the pond" are you in? The part that didn't
bother to get involved until they themselves were attacked. Or the part
which was not invaded, *because* the Dutch held on until the Germans
threathened to destroy one of their major cities (and did it anyway).

In any case, next time, try to grasp what really happened, not some
urban legend.

And you might (not) want to find out who actually rescued the Dutch.
Guess what, it was *not* 'you'!

Am 06.11.22 um 19:58 schrieb Frank Slootweg:
> In any case, next time, try to grasp what really happened, not some
> urban legend.

You seem to live in your own fabricated bubble. Total loss of reality.
Happens from time to time with WhatsApp- and Telegram-addicts.

--
Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

Am 06.11.22 um 17:41 schrieb Frank Slootweg:
> Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
>> Am 06.11.22 um 14:24 schrieb Frank Slootweg:
>>>> And it is undeniable that adult users with a brain do not use
>>>> Zuckerberg-services and affect other people with this behavior against
>>>> their will.
>>>
>>> Well some people, who implicitly claim to be "adult users with a
>>> brain" are apparently unable to distinguish fiction from fact.
>
> Ah, we have now 'progressed' to pathetic, dishonest, silent snipping,
> have we!?

Learn to correctly quote, Troll.

--
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Am 01.11.22 um 20:12 schrieb Frank Slootweg:
> NewsKrawler <newskrawl@krawl.org> wrote:
>> Google needs to develop a time machine if it wants to solve this problem.
>> Then it can go back to 2015 and read a few Ars Technica articles, where we
>> regularly told the company that letting Hangouts die would be a bad idea.
>> Hangouts was Google's only shot at beating iMessage, and as it lays
>> Hangouts to rest, Google should also give up on any hope of winning the
>> messaging war. The company now has to face the consequences of its actions
>
> Meanwhile in Europe - and probably most of the rest of the western
> world - we're shaking our heads about all this nonsense, including
> iMessage, the walled-garden non-alternative. Our IM (and more) runs on
> Android *and* iOS and can be accessed (display, keyboard, 'mouse') from
> all other major platforms. Problems? What problems?

You are not "Western World". *ROTFLSTC*
You are simply the biggest "Dummschwätzer" I ever encountered in the Usenet.

"Our IM" WhatsApp is a tool for housewifes and underaged pupils who do
not know better ...

--
Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

Am 02.11.22 um 17:16 schrieb Frank Slootweg:
> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> The link I have is in Spanish.
>>
>> <https://computerhoy.com/noticias/tecnologia/ley-mercados-digitales-union-europea-1148975>
>>
>> You can use a translator or find another source :-D
>
> Google Translator did a rather good job. Oops! I mentioned Google, one
> of The Bad Guys! :-)

*Google is evil*. No doubt about that. The way you act you must get paid
by them.

The *Digital Markets Act* will change the world of IM massively within
less than a year. The EU is very serious about it.

Google will be the even bigger loser in this changing game than they are
now anyway.

--
Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
> Am 02.11.22 um 17:16 schrieb Frank Slootweg:
> > Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> >> The link I have is in Spanish.
> >>
> >> <https://computerhoy.com/noticias/tecnologia/ley-mercados-digitales-union-europea-1148975>
> >>
> >> You can use a translator or find another source :-D
> >
> > Google Translator did a rather good job. Oops! I mentioned Google, one
> > of The Bad Guys! :-)
>
> *Google is evil*. No doubt about that. The way you act you must get paid
> by them.

Please note that I was responding to Carlos! I don't know about the
Spanish in general, but I think he has a sense of humour. Not so sure
about the Swiss, ...

> The *Digital Markets Act* will change the world of IM massively within
> less than a year. The EU is very serious about it.

I hope it will change and hope that the EU will be successful. Fingers
crossed.

> Google will be the even bigger loser in this changing game than they are
> now anyway.

Is that even possible!? (Oops, there's that damned humour again.)

Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
> Am 01.11.22 um 20:12 schrieb Frank Slootweg:
> > NewsKrawler <newskrawl@krawl.org> wrote:
> >> Google needs to develop a time machine if it wants to solve this problem.
> >> Then it can go back to 2015 and read a few Ars Technica articles, where we
> >> regularly told the company that letting Hangouts die would be a bad idea.
> >> Hangouts was Google's only shot at beating iMessage, and as it lays
> >> Hangouts to rest, Google should also give up on any hope of winning the
> >> messaging war. The company now has to face the consequences of its actions
> >
> > Meanwhile in Europe - and probably most of the rest of the western
> > world - we're shaking our heads about all this nonsense, including
> > iMessage, the walled-garden non-alternative. Our IM (and more) runs on
> > Android *and* iOS and can be accessed (display, keyboard, 'mouse') from
> > all other major platforms. Problems? What problems?
>
> You are not "Western World". *ROTFLSTC*
> You are simply the biggest "Dummschwätzer" I ever encountered in the Usenet.

I'm sorry to hear you live such a sheltered life!

> "Our IM" WhatsApp is a tool for housewifes and underaged pupils who do
> not know better ...

Again: Tell that to the companies, institutions, governments, etc.
using it. I'm sure they're ever so interested in your contentless and
unsubstantiated twattery on the subject.

[Repeat:]

<repeat>

And BTW, can you please repost your proof of your claim "WA-users can
be held liable for unsolicited spreading of personal data ..."? For
some reason my NSP filtered it as fake news.

</repeat>

Bottom line: Put your money where your mouth is.

Am 07.11.22 um 16:25 schrieb Frank Slootweg:
> Again: Tell that to the companies, institutions, governments, etc.
> using it.

There are none.

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