Happy Thanksgiving!

What [automated] apps (or techniques) do you use to ensure radios are off?
(This is not a question of manual techniques.)

For a variety of logically prudent reasons it may be useful to
automatically turn some, each or all of our radios off, whether they are
a. gps
b. wi-fi
c. cellular
d. cellular data
e. nfc
f. bluetooth
g. mobile hotspot
h. nearby shares
etc. (any others?)

The reasons for shutoff could be any one or all of these defensible basics:
1. Battery drain
2. Data charges
3. Privacy protection
4. Compute resources
etc. (any others?)

What _automated_ apps (or techniques) do you use to ensure some, most, or
even all your radio transceivers are automatically turned off when unused?
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On 2022-11-24 09:19, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> Happy Thanksgiving!
>
> What [automated] apps (or techniques) do you use to ensure radios are off?
>        (This is not a question of manual techniques.)
>
> For a variety of logically prudent reasons it may be useful to
> automatically turn some, each or all of our radios off, whether they are
> a. gps
> b. wi-fi
> c. cellular d. cellular data
> e. nfc
> f. bluetooth
> g. mobile hotspot
> h. nearby shares
> etc. (any others?)
>
> The reasons for shutoff could be any one or all of these defensible basics:
> 1. Battery drain
> 2. Data charges
> 3. Privacy protection
> 4. Compute resources
> etc. (any others?)
>
> What _automated_ apps (or techniques) do you use to ensure some, most, or
> even all your radio transceivers are automatically turned off when unused?

Amazing just how ignorant you are, Arlen!

GPS never...

EVER

....transmits!

Ergo, it is NOT A TRANSCEIVER.

Next,

"c. cellular" and "d. cellular data" are ONE TRANSCEIVER.

"g. mobile hotspot" is not a transceiver. It is a system services that
makes USE of the WiFi transceiver; assuming that you're not using it via
USB (on an iPhone at least).

"h. nearby shares" aren't transceivers on your device.

In article <tlo92v$1eem$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli
<spam@nospam.com> wrote:

>
> What [automated] apps (or techniques) do you use to ensure radios are off?
> (This is not a question of manual techniques.)

tin foil, aisle 8.

On 24/11/2022 20:15, nospam wrote:

>> What [automated] apps (or techniques) do you use to ensure radios are off?
>> (This is not a question of manual techniques.)
>
> tin foil, aisle 8.

Do you ridicule foresight because you have infinite battery capacity and
unlimited data plans or because you don't know how to do what's asked?
--
Regards,
Martin Brown

In article <tlogr6$1h86$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Martin Brown
<'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>
> >> What [automated] apps (or techniques) do you use to ensure radios are off?
> >> (This is not a question of manual techniques.)
> >
> > tin foil, aisle 8.
>
> Do you ridicule foresight because you have infinite battery capacity and
> unlimited data plans or because you don't know how to do what's asked?

straw man.

i ridicule him because he is a paranoid crazy person.

it's very easy to turn off the radios of a cellular phone, however,
doing so will severely compromise its functionality.

On 2022-11-24, Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On 24/11/2022 20:15, nospam wrote:
>
>>> What [automated] apps (or techniques) do you use to ensure radios are off?
>>> (This is not a question of manual techniques.)
>>
>> tin foil, aisle 8.
>
> Do you ridicule foresight

Poor, little Andy (Arlen et al) had to create a brand-new nym just for
this post... Such "adult" behavior! Also, gotta love how his little
troll script mangled the new nym:

Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk>

Everything Arlen touches is a work of "art"! ; )

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On 24/11/2022 20:37, nospam wrote:

> it's very easy to turn off the radios of a cellular phone, however,
> doing so will severely compromise its functionality.

You're the one saying tin foil is required to turn off a phone radio.
What kind of phone do you have that you can't control its radios anyway?
How do you automatically turn off those six main radios on _your_ phone?
--
Regards,
Martin Brown

Jolly Roger used his or her keyboard to write :

> Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk>

He has been around forever on this newsgroup, unlike you who just showed up
and added nothing of anything other than you don't understand the topic.

On 24 Nov 2022, Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> wrote :

> Happy Thanksgiving!
>
> What [automated] apps (or techniques) do you use to ensure radios are off?
> (This is not a question of manual techniques.)
>
> For a variety of logically prudent reasons it may be useful to
> automatically turn some, each or all of our radios off, whether they are
> a. gps
> b. wi-fi
> c. cellular
> d. cellular data
> e. nfc
> f. bluetooth
> g. mobile hotspot
> h. nearby shares
> etc. (any others?)
>
> The reasons for shutoff could be any one or all of these defensible basics:
> 1. Battery drain
> 2. Data charges
> 3. Privacy protection
> 4. Compute resources
> etc. (any others?)
>
> What _automated_ apps (or techniques) do you use to ensure some, most, or
> even all your radio transceivers are automatically turned off when unused?

the iphone probably can't do anything like it but people should be able to
find android hardware utilities to do what is asked with all kinds of user
preference switches based on time of day or inactivity period or whatever

https://play.google.com/store/search?q=auto%20turn%20off&c=apps

In article <tloi5g$6gg$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Martin Brown
<'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>
> > it's very easy to turn off the radios of a cellular phone, however,
> > doing so will severely compromise its functionality.
>
> You're the one saying tin foil is required to turn off a phone radio.

*whooooooooooossssshhhhhhhh*

In article <tlokqh$1fmk$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Lars Anders
<larsanders1998@glocalnet.se> wrote:

> On 24 Nov 2022, Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> wrote :
> > What _automated_ apps (or techniques) do you use to ensure some, most, or
> > even all your radio transceivers are automatically turned off when unused?
>
> the iphone probably can't do anything like it

of course it can, however, turning off the radios of a mobile device
greatly reduces its functionality.

normal people want their phones to actually do stuff versus being a
non-functional brick in their pocket, with all modes of communication
having been disabled.

paranoid lunatics, on the other hand, likely have other ideas.

On 11/24/2022 12:39 PM, Lars Anders wrote:

<snip>

> the iphone probably can't do anything like it but people should be able to
> find android hardware utilities to do what is asked with all kinds of user
> preference switches based on time of day or inactivity period or whatever

On Android you can use Tasker but for many tasks it requires Root.
Unfortunately, Google seems to be explicitly targeting Tasker in Android
upgrades, to remove functionality.

There have been Jailbreak Tweaks, in the past, to turn off only specific
radios, but they are not automated in the sense that you could not
schedule when you want specific radios to be on or off. Not sure if they
still work with newer versions of iOS.

Of course you can do all of this manually, either go into Airplane Mode
then go back and turn on Wi-Fi and/or Bluetooth, or navigate through
settings.

It might be nice to have a way to automatically turn off certain radios
at certain times, i.e. at night, rather than having to silence the phone
or manually go into airplane mode.

In article <tlonmm$nrn1$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> There have been Jailbreak Tweaks,

once again, you have no idea what you're talking about.

On 2022-11-24 20:39:58 +0000, Lars Anders said:

> On 24 Nov 2022, Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> wrote :
>
>> Happy Thanksgiving!
>>
>> What [automated] apps (or techniques) do you use to ensure radios are off?
>> (This is not a question of manual techniques.)
>>
>> For a variety of logically prudent reasons it may be useful to
>> automatically turn some, each or all of our radios off, whether they are
>> a. gps
>> b. wi-fi
>> c. cellular
>> d. cellular data
>> e. nfc
>> f. bluetooth
>> g. mobile hotspot
>> h. nearby shares
>> etc. (any others?)
>>
>> The reasons for shutoff could be any one or all of these defensible basics:
>> 1. Battery drain
>> 2. Data charges
>> 3. Privacy protection
>> 4. Compute resources
>> etc. (any others?)
>>
>> What _automated_ apps (or techniques) do you use to ensure some, most, or
>> even all your radio transceivers are automatically turned off when unused?
>
> the iphone probably can't do anything like it but people should be able to
> find android hardware utilities to do what is asked with all kinds of user
> preference switches based on time of day or inactivity period or whatever
>
> https://play.google.com/store/search?q=auto%20turn%20off&c=apps

Can the those in the Android newsgroups please stop cross-posting their
know-nothing replies to the Phone newsgroup. We're not at all
interested in these garbage misinformation posts. :-\

On 2022-11-24 11:54, Martin Brown wrote:
> On 24/11/2022 20:37, nospam wrote:
>
>> it's very easy to turn off the radios of a cellular phone, however,
>> doing so will severely compromise its functionality.
>
> You're the one saying tin foil is required to turn off a phone radio.
> What kind of phone do you have that you can't control its radios anyway?
> How do you automatically turn off those six main radios on _your_ phone?
>

There aren't 6 radios, you simpleton.

On 24/11/2022 21:45, nospam wrote:

>> You're the one saying tin foil is required to turn off a phone radio.
>
> *whooooooooooossssshhhhhhhh*

How do you automatically turn off those six main radios on _your_ phone?
--
Regards,
Martin Brown

On 2022-11-24 20:50, Martin Brown wrote:
> On 24/11/2022 21:45, nospam wrote:
>
>>> You're the one saying tin foil is required to turn off a phone radio.
>>
>> *whooooooooooossssshhhhhhhh*
>
> How do you automatically turn off those six main radios on _your_ phone?
>

From "your" post:

zd23wYM4A+rKXhumVNqkNA.user.46.165.242.75

From "Andy Burnelli's" post:

CXxNcmbeA.user.46.165.242.75

Quite the coincidence, huh?

On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 17:19:39 +0000, Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com>
wrote:

>Happy Thanksgiving!

Bah Humbug.

>What [automated] apps (or techniques) do you use to ensure radios are off?
> (This is not a question of manual techniques.)

You're asking the wrong question. What you really need, before you
can turn off various communications devices in your smartphone, is a
means of verifying that they're actually turned off. Using apps and
settings on the phone are not sufficient because they often lie. For
example, turning on airplane mode probably does disable all the major
transmitters in the phone. The transmitters can easily be turned back
on in the settings app, but the phone will still indicate that it's in
airplane mode.

What you need is something like a spectrum analyzer that will show
everything from 13.56MHz (NFC) to the highest frequency in the 5G
cellular band, 39GHz.

13MHz to 1.7GHz can easily be done with a minimal RTL-SDR receiver.
<https://www.google.com/search?q=rtl-sdr+dongle&tbm=isch>
There are ready to use spectrum analyzers suitable for detecting if
your phone is transmitting. For example:
<https://www.aliexpress.us/item/2251832799164953.html>
Don't worry about lousy sensitivity. The spectrum analyzer will be
very close to your smartphone and should indicate if there's any RF
being belched by the phone.
<https://www.google.com/search?q=sdr+spectrum+analyzer&tbm=isch>
<https://www.rtl-sdr.com/tag/spectrum-analyzer-2/>
Unfortunately, there are some 4G frequencies between 1.7 and 2.2GHz
that the commodity spectrum analyzer can't see. Also, the various
microwave 5G frequencies are not covered. It's possible to build a
better SDR (software defined radio) spectrum analyzer that does it
all, but it will probably cost more than you want to spend.

Anyway, once you have a way to confirm that your phone is not belching
secret messages to the dark lords running the evil empire, you can ask
about and test automated apps that will insure your phone's silence.

--
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Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
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Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2022-11-24, Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > On 24/11/2022 20:15, nospam wrote:
> >
> >>> What [automated] apps (or techniques) do you use to ensure radios are off?
> >>> (This is not a question of manual techniques.)
> >>
> >> tin foil, aisle 8.
> >
> > Do you ridicule foresight
>
> Poor, little Andy (Arlen et al) had to create a brand-new nym just for
> this post... Such "adult" behavior! Also, gotta love how his little
> troll script mangled the new nym:
>
> Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk>

Sorry to rain on your parade, but this nym/address already exists
since at least August 8. (Can't be bothered to check before that.)

Message-ID: <tcrot1$1r8m$1@gioia.aioe.org>

From that post, I very much doubt that this is 'Arlen'.

OTOH, when you're paranoid, ... :-)

> Everything Arlen touches is a work of "art"! ; )

On 2022-11-25 10:17, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> On 2022-11-24, Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 24/11/2022 20:15, nospam wrote:
>>>
>>>>> What [automated] apps (or techniques) do you use to ensure radios are off?
>>>>> (This is not a question of manual techniques.)
>>>>
>>>> tin foil, aisle 8.
>>>
>>> Do you ridicule foresight
>>
>> Poor, little Andy (Arlen et al) had to create a brand-new nym just for
>> this post... Such "adult" behavior! Also, gotta love how his little
>> troll script mangled the new nym:
>>
>> Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk>
>
> Sorry to rain on your parade, but this nym/address already exists
> since at least August 8. (Can't be bothered to check before that.)
>
> Message-ID: <tcrot1$1r8m$1@gioia.aioe.org>
>
> From that post, I very much doubt that this is 'Arlen'.
>
> OTOH, when you're paranoid, ... :-)
>
>> Everything Arlen touches is a work of "art"! ; )

How about the fact that they've both posted from same IP?

Your Name <YourName@yourisp.com> wrote:
[...]

> Can the those in the Android newsgroups please stop cross-posting their
> know-nothing replies to the Phone newsgroup. We're not at all
> interested in these garbage misinformation posts. :-\

FWIW, I don't particularly appreciate the trolling - for either 'side'
- either, but it seems to me you're in need of a better newsreader
or/and in some tips on how to use it to solve your 'problem'.

On 2022-11-25, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> On 2022-11-24, Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> > On 24/11/2022 20:15, nospam wrote:
>> >
>> >>> What [automated] apps (or techniques) do you use to ensure radios
>> >>> are off? (This is not a question of manual techniques.)
>> >>
>> >> tin foil, aisle 8.
>> >
>> > Do you ridicule foresight
>>
>> Poor, little Andy (Arlen et al) had to create a brand-new nym just
>> for this post... Such "adult" behavior! Also, gotta love how his
>> little troll script mangled the new nym:
>>
>> Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk>
>
> Sorry to rain on your parade, but this nym/address already exists
> since at least August 8. (Can't be bothered to check before that.)

It's adorable that you think Arlen hasn't been on Usenet that long.

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On 11/24/2022 8:50 PM, Martin Brown wrote:
> On 24/11/2022 21:45, nospam wrote:
>
>>> You're the one saying tin foil is required to turn off a phone radio.
>>
>> *whooooooooooossssshhhhhhhh*
>
> How do you automatically turn off those six main radios on _your_ phone?

Really only four now:
• Cellular Data (it's all data now, for the most part, at least in most
developed countries)
• Wi-Fi
• Bluetooth
• GPS (receiver only)

For GPS you can't really turn it off. On Android you can spoof your GPS
location if you don't want your location to be tracked.

I read one thread on Reddit where someone tried to automate turning off
the radios using Tasker but was unable to accomplish this on an unrooted
device.

On 26-11-2022 06:59 sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> Really only four now:

What about nfc?
Does nfc no longer exist?

> Cellular Data (it's all data now, for the most part, at least in most
> developed countries)
> Wi-Fi
> Bluetooth
> GPS (receiver only)

Can't you manually turn each of those radios off and keep them off
until you want to manually turn them back on?

> For GPS you can't really turn it off. On Android you can spoof your GPS
> location if you don't want your location to be tracked.

Are you sure GPS doesn't turn off when you press the on/off slider?

If you can manually do it, you should be able to automatically do it
without needing tasker just to turn a Android setting to the off slide.

In article <tlrq54$155es$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> >
> > How do you automatically turn off those six main radios on _your_ phone?
>
> Really only four now:

really not.

> € Cellular Data (it's all data now, for the most part, at least in most
> developed countries)

multiple variants (gsm/cdma/hspa/lte/5g), some of which can be enabled
or disabled separately.

> € Wi-Fi

2.4ghz and 5ghz bands.

> € Bluetooth

classic and le.

> € GPS (receiver only)

multiple variants (glonass, qzss, etc.)

also:

€ nfc
€ uwb

> For GPS you can't really turn it off.

of course it can.

in fact, the gps is normally off, enabled via an app only when precise
location is needed.

> On Android you can spoof your GPS
> location if you don't want your location to be tracked.

blocking tracking on ios can be done in a variety of ways, including
spoofing location. your lack of knowledge does not mean it's
impossible.

> I read one thread on Reddit where someone tried to automate turning off
> the radios using Tasker but was unable to accomplish this on an unrooted
> device.

that's easy to do on ios.