In article <tlrtv0$aq1n$1@solani.org>, mike <this@address.is.invalid>
wrote:

> What about nfc?
> Does nfc no longer exist?

it does.

>
> Can't you manually turn each of those radios off and keep them off
> until you want to manually turn them back on?

yes.

> Are you sure GPS doesn't turn off when you press the on/off slider?

it's under app control.

Alan wrote:
> On 2022-11-24 20:50, Martin Brown wrote:
>> On 24/11/2022 21:45, nospam wrote:
>>
>>>> You're the one saying tin foil is required to turn off a phone radio.
>>>
>>> *whooooooooooossssshhhhhhhh*
>>
>> How do you automatically turn off those six main radios on _your_ phone?
>>
>
> From "your" post:
>
> zd23wYM4A+rKXhumVNqkNA.user.46.165.242.75
>
> From "Andy Burnelli's" post:
>
> CXxNcmbeA.user.46.165.242.75
>
> Quite the coincidence, huh?

They're both using the same news server, aioe.org.

On 26.11.2022 05:34, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> in fact, the gps is normally off, enabled via an app only when precise
> location is needed.

You have to be careful with the word "precise" because at least on Android
it means different things to different applications.

For some it means what you seemed to have meant which is satellite location
but for other apps (often google's apps) it means a lot more radios go on.

Still, all of them should have manual switches to turn them off.

If there is a manual switch in the operating system settings, why can't an
app press that slider based on automatic conditions (like disconnection of
a wifi access point connection)?

Some of these intelligent disconnections based on current conditions are
probably already coded into the operating system setup, aren't they?
--
Doveryay, no proveryay.

Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:

> They're both using the same news server, aioe.org.

Anonymous is correct. All aioe headers have the same ip address.
It's how it works.

I didn't see who but someone is thinking they understand the aioe headers.
When they don't understand anything about them.

Worse is they accost people based on their own misguided misunderstandings.
People like that shouldn't make accusations based on their misinformation.

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In article <tlrve7$3k63h$1@news.mixmin.net>, Ilya Kraskov
<Ilyanospam123Kraskov123@gomail.com.ua> wrote:

> > in fact, the gps is normally off, enabled via an app only when precise
> > location is needed.
>
>
> You have to be careful with the word "precise" because at least on Android
> it means different things to different applications.
>
> For some it means what you seemed to have meant which is satellite location
> but for other apps (often google's apps) it means a lot more radios go on.

apps can request different levels of location precision. some apps only
need a general area (e.g., weather), whereas others need exact location
(e.g., navigation, finding lost items, etc.).

> Still, all of them should have manual switches to turn them off.

there is no need for that.

On 11/25/2022 6:34 PM, mike wrote:
> On 26-11-2022 06:59 sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Really only four now:
>
> What about nfc?
> Does nfc no longer exist?

Oops me bad! Yep five.
>
>> Cellular Data (it's all data now, for the most part, at least in most
>> developed countries)
>> Wi-Fi
>> Bluetooth
>> GPS (receiver only)
>
> Can't you manually turn each of those radios off and keep them off until
> you want to manually turn them back on?
>
>> For GPS you can't really turn it off. On Android you can spoof your
>> GPS location if you don't want your location to be tracked.
>
> Are you sure GPS doesn't turn off when you press the on/off slider?
>
> If you can manually do it, you should be able to automatically do it
> without needing tasker just to turn a Android setting to the off slide.

On 25.11.2022 21:09, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> whereas others need exact location
> (e.g., navigation, finding lost items, etc.).

You need to quantify what /you/ mean by exact, and whether the application
means the same thing, since navigation works fine with just satellite.

To say otherwise would mean you don't understand how navigation works.

>
>> Still, all of them should have manual switches to turn them off.
>
> there is no need for that.

Of course there is. To say otherwise is not reasonable.

Battery drain & data costs may not be important to you but you're not
everyone. When they make a phone, you're not the only one using it.

If the phone maker wanted the receivers on all the time they wouldn't be
giving you the many switches that exist to manually turn them off.

--
Doveryay, no proveryay.

In article <tls0p7$3kcrh$1@news.mixmin.net>, Ilya Kraskov
<Ilyanospam123Kraskov123@gomail.com.ua> wrote:

> > whereas others need exact location
> > (e.g., navigation, finding lost items, etc.).
>
> You need to quantify what /you/ mean by exact, and whether the application
> means the same thing, since navigation works fine with just satellite.
>
> To say otherwise would mean you don't understand how navigation works.

more than you ever will, arlen.

On 11/25/2022 7:05 PM, Bugsy wrote:
> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>
>> They're both using the same news server, aioe.org.
>
> Anonymous is correct. All aioe headers have the same ip address.
> It's how it works.
>

All they had to do was take one second to do an nslookup (however, they
are either ignorant or too stuck on their conspiracy theory to bother...):

nslookup 46.165.242.75
Name: aioe.org
Address: 46.165.242.75

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2022-11-25, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >> On 2022-11-24, Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >> > On 24/11/2022 20:15, nospam wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>> What [automated] apps (or techniques) do you use to ensure radios
> >> >>> are off? (This is not a question of manual techniques.)
> >> >>
> >> >> tin foil, aisle 8.
> >> >
> >> > Do you ridicule foresight
> >>
> >> Poor, little Andy (Arlen et al) had to create a brand-new nym just
> >> for this post... Such "adult" behavior! Also, gotta love how his
> >> little troll script mangled the new nym:
> >>
> >> Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk>
> >
> > Sorry to rain on your parade, but this nym/address already exists
> > since at least August 8. (Can't be bothered to check before that.)
>
> It's adorable that you think Arlen hasn't been on Usenet that long.

Incorrect conclusion. I can't be bothered to check *that* nym/address
before that date and I can't be bothered to explain to you why I can't
be bothered.

On 2022-11-26, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> On 2022-11-25, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>> > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> >> On 2022-11-24, Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> >> > On 24/11/2022 20:15, nospam wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>> What [automated] apps (or techniques) do you use to ensure
>> >> >>> radios are off? (This is not a question of manual
>> >> >>> techniques.)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> tin foil, aisle 8.
>> >> >
>> >> > Do you ridicule foresight
>> >>
>> >> Poor, little Andy (Arlen et al) had to create a brand-new nym just
>> >> for this post... Such "adult" behavior! Also, gotta love how his
>> >> little troll script mangled the new nym:
>> >>
>> >> Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk>
>> >
>> > Sorry to rain on your parade, but this nym/address already exists
>> > since at least August 8. (Can't be bothered to check before
>> > that.)
>>
>> It's adorable that you think Arlen hasn't been on Usenet that long.
>
> Incorrect conclusion. I can't be bothered to check *that*
> nym/address before that date and I can't be bothered to explain to
> you why I can't be bothered.

Fine with me. I don't care either way. If I happen to lump one worthless
troll in with another worthless troll, no skin off my back. Looks like
we're both going to end this discussion happily despite your beef with
me. Happy Holidays. : )

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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2022-11-26, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >> On 2022-11-25, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> >> > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >> >> On 2022-11-24, Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >> >> > On 24/11/2022 20:15, nospam wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>> What [automated] apps (or techniques) do you use to ensure
> >> >> >>> radios are off? (This is not a question of manual
> >> >> >>> techniques.)
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> tin foil, aisle 8.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Do you ridicule foresight
> >> >>
> >> >> Poor, little Andy (Arlen et al) had to create a brand-new nym just
> >> >> for this post... Such "adult" behavior! Also, gotta love how his
> >> >> little troll script mangled the new nym:
> >> >>
> >> >> Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk>
> >> >
> >> > Sorry to rain on your parade, but this nym/address already exists
> >> > since at least August 8. (Can't be bothered to check before
> >> > that.)
> >>
> >> It's adorable that you think Arlen hasn't been on Usenet that long.
> >
> > Incorrect conclusion. I can't be bothered to check *that*
> > nym/address before that date and I can't be bothered to explain to
> > you why I can't be bothered.
>
> Fine with me. I don't care either way. If I happen to lump one worthless
> troll in with another worthless troll, no skin off my back. Looks like
> we're both going to end this discussion happily despite your beef with
> me. Happy Holidays. : )

Beef? If you thought this was a beef, you have seen nothing yet! :-)

Happy Holidays to you too.

On 2022-11-26 21:00, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> On 2022-11-25, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2022-11-24, Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> On 24/11/2022 20:15, nospam wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> What [automated] apps (or techniques) do you use to ensure radios
>>>>>>> are off? (This is not a question of manual techniques.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> tin foil, aisle 8.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you ridicule foresight
>>>>
>>>> Poor, little Andy (Arlen et al) had to create a brand-new nym just
>>>> for this post... Such "adult" behavior! Also, gotta love how his
>>>> little troll script mangled the new nym:
>>>>
>>>> Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk>
>>>
>>> Sorry to rain on your parade, but this nym/address already exists
>>> since at least August 8. (Can't be bothered to check before that.)
>>
>> It's adorable that you think Arlen hasn't been on Usenet that long.
>
> Incorrect conclusion. I can't be bothered to check *that* nym/address
> before that date and I can't be bothered to explain to you why I can't
> be bothered.

I am curious, so...

Martin goes back to November 2016 in this Android group. My folder goes
back to June that year.

He may have posted earlier on other .uk groups which I don't have
subscribed, but it would be easy enough to check.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

In article <g0ba5j-obq.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

> >>>> Poor, little Andy (Arlen et al) had to create a brand-new nym just
> >>>> for this post... Such "adult" behavior! Also, gotta love how his
> >>>> little troll script mangled the new nym:
> >>>>
> >>>> Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk>
> >>>
> >>> Sorry to rain on your parade, but this nym/address already exists
> >>> since at least August 8. (Can't be bothered to check before that.)
> >>
> >> It's adorable that you think Arlen hasn't been on Usenet that long.
> >
> > Incorrect conclusion. I can't be bothered to check *that* nym/address
> > before that date and I can't be bothered to explain to you why I can't
> > be bothered.
>
> I am curious, so...
>
> Martin goes back to November 2016 in this Android group. My folder goes
> back to June that year.

'arlen' has been forging regulars, especially in groups they don't
normally post.

On 2022-11-26 22:00, nospam wrote:
> In article <g0ba5j-obq.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>
>>>>>> Poor, little Andy (Arlen et al) had to create a brand-new nym just
>>>>>> for this post... Such "adult" behavior! Also, gotta love how his
>>>>>> little troll script mangled the new nym:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry to rain on your parade, but this nym/address already exists
>>>>> since at least August 8. (Can't be bothered to check before that.)
>>>>
>>>> It's adorable that you think Arlen hasn't been on Usenet that long.
>>>
>>> Incorrect conclusion. I can't be bothered to check *that* nym/address
>>> before that date and I can't be bothered to explain to you why I can't
>>> be bothered.
>>
>> I am curious, so...
>>
>> Martin goes back to November 2016 in this Android group. My folder goes
>> back to June that year.
>
> 'arlen' has been forging regulars, especially in groups they don't
> normally post.

True, but not everybody is Arlen. I compared the headers of Martin on
2016 and now, and they match. I also compared the headers with those of
Arlen, and there are some interesting differences.

Then there is the language, it is different.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2022-11-26 22:00, nospam wrote:
> > In article <g0ba5j-obq.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
> > <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >>>>>> Poor, little Andy (Arlen et al) had to create a brand-new nym just
> >>>>>> for this post... Such "adult" behavior! Also, gotta love how his
> >>>>>> little troll script mangled the new nym:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sorry to rain on your parade, but this nym/address already exists
> >>>>> since at least August 8. (Can't be bothered to check before that.)
> >>>>
> >>>> It's adorable that you think Arlen hasn't been on Usenet that long.
> >>>
> >>> Incorrect conclusion. I can't be bothered to check *that* nym/address
> >>> before that date and I can't be bothered to explain to you why I can't
> >>> be bothered.
> >>
> >> I am curious, so...
> >>
> >> Martin goes back to November 2016 in this Android group. My folder goes
> >> back to June that year.
> >
> > 'arlen' has been forging regulars, especially in groups they don't
> > normally post.
>
> True, but not everybody is Arlen. I compared the headers of Martin on
> 2016 and now, and they match. I also compared the headers with those of
> Arlen, and there are some interesting differences.
>
> Then there is the language, it is different.

Exactly! that's why I said:

<me>

Message-ID: <tcrot1$1r8m$1@gioia.aioe.org>

From that post, I very much doubt that this is 'Arlen'.

</me>

But that was conveniently ignored, because it doesn't fit some
people's agenda's. Never mind the bogus "especially in groups they don't
normally post" argument.

In article <tm07vd.pa4.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

> But that was conveniently ignored, because it doesn't fit some
> people's agenda's. Never mind the bogus "especially in groups they don't
> normally post" argument.

there's nothing bogus about it. 'arlen' has done exactly that and
continues to do that.

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <tm07vd.pa4.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>, Frank Slootweg
> <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>
> > But that was conveniently ignored, because it doesn't fit some
> > people's agenda's. Never mind the bogus "especially in groups they don't
> > normally post" argument.
>
> there's nothing bogus about it. 'arlen' has done exactly that and
> continues to do that.

Sigh! Martin posted in comp.mobile.android, so if 'Arlen' would have
forged him, he would have been doing that in the *same* group, so bogus
argument.

In article <tm0k0e.g8s.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

> > > But that was conveniently ignored, because it doesn't fit some
> > > people's agenda's. Never mind the bogus "especially in groups they don't
> > > normally post" argument.
> >
> > there's nothing bogus about it. 'arlen' has done exactly that and
> > continues to do that.
>
> Sigh! Martin posted in comp.mobile.android, so if 'Arlen' would have
> forged him, he would have been doing that in the *same* group, so bogus
> argument.

i wasn't referring to anyone in particular nor did i say he does it all
the time. it's just another one among many of his tells.

On 24.11.22 22:39, Lars Anders wrote:
> people should be able to
> find android hardware utilities to do what is asked with all kinds of user
> preference switches based on time of day or inactivity period or whatever

I found this by searching which says it can be done but that's old,
https://android.stackexchange.com/questions/39916/is-there-a-way-to-automatically-turn-off-wifi

On my recent model phone is a setting called "Turn on Wi-Fi automatically"
which is off by default.

It's in Settings, Connections, Wi-Fi, top right Advanced, Intelligent
Wi-Fi, and then Turn on Wi-Fi automatically

Below that there is also an option to look at your "Wi-Fi control history"
which says "View apps that have turned Wi-Fi on or off recently" so it sure
looks like apps can turn on wifi automatically and then shut them off.

On 11/25/2022 1:25 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:

>> Can the those in the Android newsgroups please stop cross-posting their
>> know-nothing replies to the Phone newsgroup. We're not at all
>> interested in these garbage misinformation posts. :-\
>
> FWIW, I don't particularly appreciate the trolling - for either 'side'
> - either, but it seems to me you're in need of a better newsreader
> or/and in some tips on how to use it to solve your 'problem'.

I don't see the trolls but on the topic I could use an app that
automatically turns off the power to the wifi of the phone whenever the
access point is disconnected for a period of minutes (maybe 10 minutes).

On 2022-12-01 17:49, knuttle wrote:
> On 11/25/2022 1:25 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>
>>> Can the those in the Android newsgroups please stop cross-posting
>>> their know-nothing replies to the Phone newsgroup. We're not at all
>>> interested in these garbage misinformation posts. :-\
>>
>>   FWIW, I don't particularly appreciate the trolling - for either 'side'
>> - either, but it seems to me you're in need of a better newsreader
>> or/and in some tips on how to use it to solve your 'problem'.
>
> I don't see the trolls but on the topic I could use an app that
> automatically turns off the power to the wifi of the phone whenever the
> access point is disconnected for a period of minutes (maybe 10 minutes).

How would it ever then come back on?

I don't know about you, but I want my phone to automatically connect to
WiFi wherever I go.

In article <tmblje$2tjh2$1@dont-email.me>, knuttle
<keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> On 11/25/2022 1:25 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>
> >> Can the those in the Android newsgroups please stop cross-posting their
> >> know-nothing replies to the Phone newsgroup. We're not at all
> >> interested in these garbage misinformation posts. :-\

your scripts are broken. frank didn't say that.

> > FWIW, I don't particularly appreciate the trolling - for either 'side'
> > - either, but it seems to me you're in need of a better newsreader
> > or/and in some tips on how to use it to solve your 'problem'.
>
> I don't see the trolls

try a mirror.

> but on the topic I could use an app that
> automatically turns off the power to the wifi of the phone whenever the
> access point is disconnected for a period of minutes (maybe 10 minutes).

that type of functionality is built into ios and does not need an app.