On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 08:12:12 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 7:17:41 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 7/4/2021 9:18 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> > On Sunday, July 4, 2021 at 6:03:00 AM UTC-5, William Crowell wrote:
>> >> "And providing health care to people? How dare they propose something so unchristian. Wow."
>> >> Russell, you forgot that there is no free lunch. There is no evidence that providing health care to people who can't afford it is a charitable endeavor because, in order to pay for it, taxes have to be raised on those who can just barely afford to buy their own health insurance, to the point where they can no longer afford to buy it. So you're saying that an unemployed person is more deserving than someone who's employed, which is a logical non-starter. By doing so, you're removing any incentive for people to work and buy their own health insurance, a decidedly uncharitable act. And don't say, "tax the rich". ("Don't tax you; don't tax me; tax that man behind the tree!") You can't tax them enough to pay for poor peoples' health insurance. Nobody "deserves" health insurance at others' expense. It is extremely expensive and there is nobody else who can pay for it without creating terribly dysfunctional economic disincentives.
>> >
>> > Who said free? You. Not me. I am well aware there is no free lunch. Health care for citizens is paid for. Higher taxes on individuals and corporations. And the absurd fact that government run controlled health care is amazingly cheaper than individual health insurance. So less money is needed. Funny how that is. Health care is considered a right. Like in the Constitution. Like free speech and freedom of choosing religion and right to own a gun and kill people. Rights. Health care is considered a right in many other countries. Its just not the rich who have freedom of speech or religion or the right to own a gun. Everyone. Like health care in these other countries. And old people in the USA because of MediCare. Gotta give old people free health care to buy votes.
>> >
>> > You mention "deserves" health insurance. At other's expense. Do you deserve free speech? Do you deserve freedom of religion? Do you deserve the right to vote? Or should we have income tests for all these rights? If a right is too expensive for you to buy it, then you don't deserve it. I put health care in the rights category. Not a privilege. Owning a Lexus or Trek Madone or Specialized Tarmac is a privilege. Available if you can pay the money. But driving a car or riding a bicycle is closer to a right. No income tests.
>> >
>> WTF?
>>
>> State run contract may be _priced_ lower but that';s
>> artificial- the cost is much higher due to myriad structural
>> inefficiencies. It's the nature of state systems.
>>
>> Health care is a right? In which Constitution? The Soviet
>> 1936 version but not ours. To proclaim it as a right is to
>> force providers to provide it - you want doctors
>> enslaved/coerced? Doesn't make any sense.
>>
>> Health, health care services and health insurance are all
>> very radically different one from another. To say one
>> 'deserves' any is ridiculous. Do I also 'deserve' a Pagani?
>> An i-telephone? A custom Calfee? (do I 'deserve' it with
>> Super Record EPS too?) Who pays and what is the limit?
>
>Between Lenin and Stalin, 10 million Russians were killed. Do you suppose that is what these people consider socialized medicine? Ten times that number were murdered by Mao. Venezuela and every other country that ever tried socialism had the SAME results. Russell doesn't even understand that he would be the first under the bus as he was cheering on an American Stalin.

Not to, in any way, justify the actions of Lenin, Stalin, Mao, or
Adolph Hitler, but the Christians did a pretty good job in the mass
killing business. During the eradication of the Carther religion -
this is where the “Kill them all, the Lord knows who are His” slogan
originated - some 20,000, mainly women and children were killed in one
town alone. The Christian "crusades" were estimated to have killed,
depending on source, from 1 to 9 million, which when compared with
population figures of the time was a significant number.
France was estimated to have a population of about 7 million. And
remember, the old timers had to do all the work by hand, no guns, no
bombs. no poison gas. Strong right arm only.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 10:12:14 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> Between Lenin and Stalin, 10 million Russians were killed. Do you suppose that is what these people consider socialized medicine? Ten times that number were murdered by Mao. Venezuela and every other country that ever tried socialism had the SAME results. Russell doesn't even understand that he would be the first under the bus as he was cheering on an American Stalin.

American Stalin? You mean like Trump and his Republican backers in the House who voted to disregard a democratic vote for President. They wanted to keep their dictator want to be in power. Hell with the will of the people. F them. Power, power, power! F democracy and freedom.

On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 7:29:23 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> Yup... And you also pointed out that you had a resting pulse of 20 BPM
> for two days and then you apparently "arose from the dead" on the 3rd
> day with a pulse rate of 59 and started telling tales of 9 year old
> female trap shooters (who never existed).
> --
> Cheers,
>
> John B.

"you apparently "arose from the dead" on the 3rd day"

According to Luke 24:6-7, "He is not here; he has risen! Remember how he told you, while he was still with you in Galilee: 7 ‘The Son of Man must be delivered over to the hands of sinners, be crucified and on the third day be raised again."

Are you implying Tom is Jesus Christ himself and arose? Whoa!!!!!!!
The girl was 11 years old who fictitiously shot the ILLEGAL alien murderers..

On Mon, 05 Jul 2021 17:11:54 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 11:47:13 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
><cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 10:42:00 AM UTC-7, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 07:52:17 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >You have played with little more than ham radios.
>
>>> Besides ham radio, I also have been recently repairing and rebuilding
>>> emergency generators, chain saws, smartphones, commercial radios,
>>> computers, LCD TV's, laser printers, appliances, etc. I haven't done
>>> much with bicycles because the former bicycle riding kids in the
>>> neighborhood have grown and now have cars and motorcycles. So now, I
>>> just loan them tools.
>
>>Well now you admit what your real work is. Thanks for letting us know where all of your engineering expertise stems from.
>
>Yep. What do you know about repairing and rebuilding emergency
>generators, chain saws, smartphones, commercial radios, computers, LCD
>TV's, laser printers, appliances, etc? Probably little or nothing. By
>your own logic, you are not entitled to hold an opinion about things
>of which you know nothing.
>
>BTW, your two sentence reply is a slight improvement over your usual
>drastic change of subject. This time, you selected the least
>important point in my rant, and hung your sarcasm on it, ignoring all
>the other points I mentioned. No need to change anything. I just
>want you to know that I noticed.
><https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Avoiding-the-Issue>

"you are not entitled to hold an opinion about things
of which you know nothing"???

My Goodness! You are being rather stringent aren't you? After all you
have just demolished almost all of his posts.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 19:33:50 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 7:29:23 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> Yup... And you also pointed out that you had a resting pulse of 20 BPM
>> for two days and then you apparently "arose from the dead" on the 3rd
>> day with a pulse rate of 59 and started telling tales of 9 year old
>> female trap shooters (who never existed).
>> --
>> Cheers,
>>
>> John B.
>
>"you apparently "arose from the dead" on the 3rd day"
>
>According to Luke 24:6-7, "He is not here; he has risen! Remember how he told you, while he was still with you in Galilee: 7 ‘The Son of Man must be delivered over to the hands of sinners, be crucified and on the third day be raised again."
>
>Are you implying Tom is Jesus Christ himself and arose? Whoa!!!!!!!
>The girl was 11 years old who fictitiously shot the ILLEGAL alien murderers.

No I wasn't alleging that Tom is anything (well except a liar)

Yes, the girl mentioned was 11, I believe, when she supposedly shot
the house breakers but the original reference said that she had been
"shooting clay pigeons since she was 9 years old".
https://checkyourfact.com/2019/09/27/fact-check-montana-girl-illegal-immigrants-home-invasion-gun/

I interpreted that as shooting trap, as opposed to shooting skeet, but
the term could apply to either.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 7:07:30 PM UTC-7, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> American Stalin? You mean like Trump and his Republican backers in the House who voted to disregard a democratic vote for President. They wanted to keep their dictator want to be in power. Hell with the will of the people. F them. Power, power, power! F democracy and freedom.

Relevant video here. A bunch of tourists got a little out of control.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/30/us/jan-6-capitol-attack-takeaways.html

- Frank Krygowski

On 7/5/2021 10:23 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 7:07:30 PM UTC-7, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>> American Stalin? You mean like Trump and his Republican backers in the House who voted to disregard a democratic vote for President. They wanted to keep their dictator want to be in power. Hell with the will of the people. F them. Power, power, power! F democracy and freedom.
>
> Relevant video here. A bunch of tourists got a little out of control.
> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/30/us/jan-6-capitol-attack-takeaways.html
>
> - Frank Krygowski
>

A little perspective:
https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/19/politics/trump-inauguration-protests-womens-march/index.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCu2gxVZ4E8

and also:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/04/politics/kavanaugh-protests-us-capitol/index.html

We are at best an unruly bunch here in the US of A.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 6:00:21 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 7/5/2021 10:23 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 7:07:30 PM UTC-7, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>
> >> American Stalin? You mean like Trump and his Republican backers in the House who voted to disregard a democratic vote for President. They wanted to keep their dictator want to be in power. Hell with the will of the people. F them. Power, power, power! F democracy and freedom.
> >
> > Relevant video here. A bunch of tourists got a little out of control.
> > https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/30/us/jan-6-capitol-attack-takeaways.html
> >
> > - Frank Krygowski
> >
> A little perspective:
> https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/19/politics/trump-inauguration-protests-womens-march/index.html
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCu2gxVZ4E8
>
> and also:
> https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/04/politics/kavanaugh-protests-us-capitol/index.html
>
> We are at best an unruly bunch here in the US of A.

False equivalence. None of those insurrections -- to the extent they were insurrections rather than protests -- were organized or promoted by a sitting president or his proxies. Trump even vilified his own vice president for not overturning the election somehow. It made us look like a banana republic.

-- Jay Beattie.

On 7/6/2021 9:19 AM, jbeattie wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 6:00:21 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 7/5/2021 10:23 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 7:07:30 PM UTC-7, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> American Stalin? You mean like Trump and his Republican backers in the House who voted to disregard a democratic vote for President. They wanted to keep their dictator want to be in power. Hell with the will of the people. F them. Power, power, power! F democracy and freedom.
>>>
>>> Relevant video here. A bunch of tourists got a little out of control.
>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/30/us/jan-6-capitol-attack-takeaways.html
>>>
>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>
>> A little perspective:
>> https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/19/politics/trump-inauguration-protests-womens-march/index.html
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCu2gxVZ4E8
>>
>> and also:
>> https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/04/politics/kavanaugh-protests-us-capitol/index.html
>>
>> We are at best an unruly bunch here in the US of A.
>
> False equivalence. None of those insurrections -- to the extent they were insurrections rather than protests -- were organized or promoted by a sitting president or his proxies. Trump even vilified his own vice president for not overturning the election somehow. It made us look like a banana republic.
>
> -- Jay Beattie.
>

None of the incidents mentioned were insurrections. Words
ought to matter and they just were not. Mob action, yes,
riot, yes, involving a hundred or so yahoos at the edge of
100000 or so people. I'm not defending anyone here, but I'm
not inflating the thing into fantasy either.

I listened to the President live just beforehand. But hey
don't take my word for it, there's a transcript. 'Incitement
to riot' is not what happened.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 7/6/2021 10:29 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 7/6/2021 9:19 AM, jbeattie wrote:
>> On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 6:00:21 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 7/5/2021 10:23 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 7:07:30 PM UTC-7, russell...@yahoo.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> American Stalin? You mean like Trump and his Republican backers in
>>>>> the House who voted to disregard a democratic vote for President.
>>>>> They wanted to keep their dictator want to be in power. Hell with
>>>>> the will of the people. F them. Power, power, power! F democracy
>>>>> and freedom.
>>>>
>>>> Relevant video here. A bunch of tourists got a little out of control.
>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/30/us/jan-6-capitol-attack-takeaways.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>
>>> A little perspective:
>>> https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/19/politics/trump-inauguration-protests-womens-march/index.html
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCu2gxVZ4E8
>>>
>>> and also:
>>> https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/04/politics/kavanaugh-protests-us-capitol/index.html
>>>
>>>
>>> We are at best an unruly bunch here in the US of A.
>>
>> False equivalence. None of those insurrections -- to the extent they
>> were insurrections rather than protests -- were organized or promoted
>> by a sitting president or his proxies. Trump even vilified his own
>> vice president for not overturning the election somehow.  It made us
>> look like a banana republic.
>>
>> -- Jay Beattie.
>>
>
> None of the incidents mentioned were insurrections. Words ought to
> matter and they just were not. Mob action, yes, riot, yes, involving a
> hundred or so yahoos at the edge of 100000 or so people. I'm not
> defending anyone here, but I'm not inflating the thing into fantasy either.
>
> I listened to the President live just beforehand. But hey don't take my
> word for it, there's a transcript. 'Incitement to riot' is not what
> happened.

Oddly, large numbers of those breaking into the capitol building to
purportedly "stop the steal" claimed exactly the opposite. They said
that they were there at Trump's behest, or at least his invitation. They
are on camera saying that.

I don't oppose any idiot's right to stand in a crowd with a sign saying
"Keep the government out of my Social Security" or "Biden has Demensha."
And I do oppose vandalizing property as part of a protest by any group.
I've personally argued against behavior like that, with people that were
seriously proposing it.

But Jay is right, you're constructing a grossly false equivalence. Did
Hillary Clinton call for disrupting Trump's inauguration? Did liberal
nuts don flak jackets and carry clubs to try to stop a constitutionally
mandated transfer of power?

Please give us a break.

--
- Frank Krygowski

jbeattie <jbeattie57@msn.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 6:00:21 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 7/5/2021 10:23 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 7:07:30 PM UTC-7, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> American Stalin? You mean like Trump and his Republican backers in the
>>>> House who voted to disregard a democratic vote for President. They
>>>> wanted to keep their dictator want to be in power. Hell with the will
>>>> of the people. F them. Power, power, power! F democracy and freedom.
>>>
>>> Relevant video here. A bunch of tourists got a little out of control.
>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/30/us/jan-6-capitol-attack-takeaways.html
>>>
>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>
>> A little perspective:
>> https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/19/politics/trump-inauguration-protests-womens-march/index.html
>>
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCu2gxVZ4E8
>>
>> and also:
>> https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/04/politics/kavanaugh-protests-us-capitol/index.html
>>
>> We are at best an unruly bunch here in the US of A.
>
> False equivalence. None of those insurrections -- to the extent they were
> insurrections rather than protests -- were organized or promoted by a
> sitting president or his proxies. Trump even vilified his own vice
> president for not overturning the election somehow. It made us look like
> a banana republic.
>
> -- Jay Beattie.
>
>

+1

AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> On 7/6/2021 9:19 AM, jbeattie wrote:
>> On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 6:00:21 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 7/5/2021 10:23 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 7:07:30 PM UTC-7, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> American Stalin? You mean like Trump and his Republican backers in
>>>>> the House who voted to disregard a democratic vote for President.
>>>>> They wanted to keep their dictator want to be in power. Hell with the
>>>>> will of the people. F them. Power, power, power! F democracy and freedom.
>>>>
>>>> Relevant video here. A bunch of tourists got a little out of control.
>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/30/us/jan-6-capitol-attack-takeaways.html
>>>>
>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>
>>> A little perspective:
>>> https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/19/politics/trump-inauguration-protests-womens-march/index.html
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCu2gxVZ4E8
>>>
>>> and also:
>>> https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/04/politics/kavanaugh-protests-us-capitol/index.html
>>>
>>> We are at best an unruly bunch here in the US of A.
>>
>> False equivalence. None of those insurrections -- to the extent they
>> were insurrections rather than protests -- were organized or promoted by
>> a sitting president or his proxies. Trump even vilified his own vice
>> president for not overturning the election somehow. It made us look
>> like a banana republic.
>>
>> -- Jay Beattie.
>>
>
> None of the incidents mentioned were insurrections. Words
> ought to matter and they just were not. Mob action, yes,
> riot, yes, involving a hundred or so yahoos at the edge of
> 100000 or so people. I'm not defending anyone here, but I'm
> not inflating the thing into fantasy either.
>
> I listened to the President live just beforehand. But hey
> don't take my word for it, there's a transcript. 'Incitement
> to riot' is not what happened.
>

Lying to his followers that the election was stolen from them is as close
as you can get to inciting insurrection without actually saying it. These
people think they’re patriots defending their country.

Not to mention the other yahoos on that stage giving speeches about trial
by combat etc. What is required to define incitement?

What would have happened if they actually got Pelosi or hanged Pence?
Would that be insurrection?

On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 5:12:01 PM UTC-7, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 11:47:13 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 10:42:00 AM UTC-7, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 07:52:17 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >You have played with little more than ham radios.
>
> >> Besides ham radio, I also have been recently repairing and rebuilding
> >> emergency generators, chain saws, smartphones, commercial radios,
> >> computers, LCD TV's, laser printers, appliances, etc. I haven't done
> >> much with bicycles because the former bicycle riding kids in the
> >> neighborhood have grown and now have cars and motorcycles. So now, I
> >> just loan them tools.
>
> >Well now you admit what your real work is. Thanks for letting us know where all of your engineering expertise stems from.
> Yep. What do you know about repairing and rebuilding emergency
> generators, chain saws, smartphones, commercial radios, computers, LCD
> TV's, laser printers, appliances, etc? Probably little or nothing. By
> your own logic, you are not entitled to hold an opinion about things
> of which you know nothing.
>
> BTW, your two sentence reply is a slight improvement over your usual
> drastic change of subject. This time, you selected the least
> important point in my rant, and hung your sarcasm on it, ignoring all
> the other points I mentioned. No need to change anything. I just
> want you to know that I noticed.
> <https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Avoiding-the-Issue>

Jeff, I'm happy that you've found a comfortable position in which you feel competent. However, that gives you absolutely no knowledge of medical electronics or bicycle technology that you have no experience with. You simply ramble on because you assumed that I was attacking Frank for no reason when Frank himself admits that he knows nothing about these things and is yet telling everyone all about them.

On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 7:01:15 PM UTC-7, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 9:46:43 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > Why don't you tell us more about Rush Limbaugh you moron. You aren't even aware that he died of cancer last year.
> Tom, you really need to work on your comprehension of the English language. Particularly the writing. Limbaugh died in February 2021. Today is July 5, 2021. Limbaugh died THIS year. NOT last year. Please try a little bit to get some facts correct. It is very tiring to correct your endless mistakes..

So what? Limbaugh is dead and gone. Since I was not working and driving to work I haven't heard him for over 10 years. Exactly what do you know about Limbaugh other than what your herders claim?

On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 7:19:14 AM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 6:00:21 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> > On 7/5/2021 10:23 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > > On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 7:07:30 PM UTC-7, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > >>
> > >> American Stalin? You mean like Trump and his Republican backers in the House who voted to disregard a democratic vote for President. They wanted to keep their dictator want to be in power. Hell with the will of the people. F them. Power, power, power! F democracy and freedom.
> > >
> > > Relevant video here. A bunch of tourists got a little out of control.
> > > https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/30/us/jan-6-capitol-attack-takeaways.html
> > >
> > > - Frank Krygowski
> > >
> > A little perspective:
> > https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/19/politics/trump-inauguration-protests-womens-march/index.html
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCu2gxVZ4E8
> >
> > and also:
> > https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/04/politics/kavanaugh-protests-us-capitol/index.html
> >
> > We are at best an unruly bunch here in the US of A.
> False equivalence. None of those insurrections -- to the extent they were insurrections rather than protests -- were organized or promoted by a sitting president or his proxies. Trump even vilified his own vice president for not overturning the election somehow. It made us look like a banana republic.

Jay, your continued use of the term "insurrection" is getting you into trouble that you don't even understand.

On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 7:30:20 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 7/6/2021 9:19 AM, jbeattie wrote:
> > On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 6:00:21 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> >> On 7/5/2021 10:23 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 7:07:30 PM UTC-7, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> American Stalin? You mean like Trump and his Republican backers in the House who voted to disregard a democratic vote for President. They wanted to keep their dictator want to be in power. Hell with the will of the people. F them. Power, power, power! F democracy and freedom.
> >>>
> >>> Relevant video here. A bunch of tourists got a little out of control.
> >>> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/30/us/jan-6-capitol-attack-takeaways.html
> >>>
> >>> - Frank Krygowski
> >>>
> >> A little perspective:
> >> https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/19/politics/trump-inauguration-protests-womens-march/index.html
> >>
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCu2gxVZ4E8
> >>
> >> and also:
> >> https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/04/politics/kavanaugh-protests-us-capitol/index.html
> >>
> >> We are at best an unruly bunch here in the US of A.
> >
> > False equivalence. None of those insurrections -- to the extent they were insurrections rather than protests -- were organized or promoted by a sitting president or his proxies. Trump even vilified his own vice president for not overturning the election somehow. It made us look like a banana republic.
> >
> > -- Jay Beattie.
> >
> None of the incidents mentioned were insurrections. Words
> ought to matter and they just were not. Mob action, yes,
> riot, yes, involving a hundred or so yahoos at the edge of
> 100000 or so people. I'm not defending anyone here, but I'm
> not inflating the thing into fantasy either.
>
> I listened to the President live just beforehand. But hey
> don't take my word for it, there's a transcript. 'Incitement
> to riot' is not what happened.

The right of citizens to assemble and peacefully protest shall not be obstructed. The ONLY control government can place on this are extremely narrow restrictions. The HALLS OF CONGRESS, belong to the citizens of the United States unless Congress is in session. Congress was NOT in session and arm police murdered a citizen exercising her right. This is what Jay considers an "insurrection" because he is too stupid to know the difference between a peaceful protest and rebellion against an illegal government that stole an election using the false premise of a pandemic. Everyone involved in this falsification of an election should be sent to prison for the rest of their lives. And that police officer should be tried for murder for taking the life of an unarmed protester.

On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 8:46:20 AM UTC-7, Duane wrote:
> AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> > On 7/6/2021 9:19 AM, jbeattie wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 6:00:21 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> >>> On 7/5/2021 10:23 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>>> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 7:07:30 PM UTC-7, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> American Stalin? You mean like Trump and his Republican backers in
> >>>>> the House who voted to disregard a democratic vote for President.
> >>>>> They wanted to keep their dictator want to be in power. Hell with the
> >>>>> will of the people. F them. Power, power, power! F democracy and freedom.
> >>>>
> >>>> Relevant video here. A bunch of tourists got a little out of control..
> >>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/30/us/jan-6-capitol-attack-takeaways..html
> >>>>
> >>>> - Frank Krygowski
> >>>>
> >>> A little perspective:
> >>> https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/19/politics/trump-inauguration-protests-womens-march/index.html
> >>>
> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCu2gxVZ4E8
> >>>
> >>> and also:
> >>> https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/04/politics/kavanaugh-protests-us-capitol/index.html
> >>>
> >>> We are at best an unruly bunch here in the US of A.
> >>
> >> False equivalence. None of those insurrections -- to the extent they
> >> were insurrections rather than protests -- were organized or promoted by
> >> a sitting president or his proxies. Trump even vilified his own vice
> >> president for not overturning the election somehow. It made us look
> >> like a banana republic.
> >>
> >> -- Jay Beattie.
> >>
> >
> > None of the incidents mentioned were insurrections. Words
> > ought to matter and they just were not. Mob action, yes,
> > riot, yes, involving a hundred or so yahoos at the edge of
> > 100000 or so people. I'm not defending anyone here, but I'm
> > not inflating the thing into fantasy either.
> >
> > I listened to the President live just beforehand. But hey
> > don't take my word for it, there's a transcript. 'Incitement
> > to riot' is not what happened.
> >
> Lying to his followers that the election was stolen from them is as close
> as you can get to inciting insurrection without actually saying it. These
> people think they’re patriots defending their country.
>
> Not to mention the other yahoos on that stage giving speeches about trial
> by combat etc. What is required to define incitement?
>
> What would have happened if they actually got Pelosi or hanged Pence?
> Would that be insurrection?
Duane, apparently it doesn't seem to matter to you that the audits that have been forcefully opposed by the Democrats are showing exactly what the protectors have claimed - that Biden's votes were largely illegal. Apparently you don't want a legal government.

On Tue, 6 Jul 2021 09:23:13 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 7:01:15 PM UTC-7, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
>> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 9:46:43 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >
>> > Why don't you tell us more about Rush Limbaugh you moron. You aren't even aware that he died of cancer last year.
>> Tom, you really need to work on your comprehension of the English language. Particularly the writing. Limbaugh died in February 2021. Today is July 5, 2021. Limbaugh died THIS year. NOT last year. Please try a little bit to get some facts correct. It is very tiring to correct your endless mistakes.
>
>So what? Limbaugh is dead and gone. Since I was not working and driving to work I haven't heard him for over 10 years. Exactly what do you know about Limbaugh other than what your herders claim?

You write that "Since I was not working and driving to work I haven't
heard him for over 10 years"???

The implication is that you haven't worked in 10 years...
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Tue, 6 Jul 2021 09:38:18 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 8:46:20 AM UTC-7, Duane wrote:
>> AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>> > On 7/6/2021 9:19 AM, jbeattie wrote:
>> >> On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 6:00:21 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> >>> On 7/5/2021 10:23 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> >>>> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 7:07:30 PM UTC-7, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> American Stalin? You mean like Trump and his Republican backers in
>> >>>>> the House who voted to disregard a democratic vote for President.
>> >>>>> They wanted to keep their dictator want to be in power. Hell with the
>> >>>>> will of the people. F them. Power, power, power! F democracy and freedom.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Relevant video here. A bunch of tourists got a little out of control.
>> >>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/30/us/jan-6-capitol-attack-takeaways.html
>> >>>>
>> >>>> - Frank Krygowski
>> >>>>
>> >>> A little perspective:
>> >>> https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/19/politics/trump-inauguration-protests-womens-march/index.html
>> >>>
>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCu2gxVZ4E8
>> >>>
>> >>> and also:
>> >>> https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/04/politics/kavanaugh-protests-us-capitol/index.html
>> >>>
>> >>> We are at best an unruly bunch here in the US of A.
>> >>
>> >> False equivalence. None of those insurrections -- to the extent they
>> >> were insurrections rather than protests -- were organized or promoted by
>> >> a sitting president or his proxies. Trump even vilified his own vice
>> >> president for not overturning the election somehow. It made us look
>> >> like a banana republic.
>> >>
>> >> -- Jay Beattie.
>> >>
>> >
>> > None of the incidents mentioned were insurrections. Words
>> > ought to matter and they just were not. Mob action, yes,
>> > riot, yes, involving a hundred or so yahoos at the edge of
>> > 100000 or so people. I'm not defending anyone here, but I'm
>> > not inflating the thing into fantasy either.
>> >
>> > I listened to the President live just beforehand. But hey
>> > don't take my word for it, there's a transcript. 'Incitement
>> > to riot' is not what happened.
>> >
>> Lying to his followers that the election was stolen from them is as close
>> as you can get to inciting insurrection without actually saying it. These
>> people think they’re patriots defending their country.
>>
>> Not to mention the other yahoos on that stage giving speeches about trial
>> by combat etc. What is required to define incitement?
>>
>> What would have happened if they actually got Pelosi or hanged Pence?
>> Would that be insurrection?
>Duane, apparently it doesn't seem to matter to you that the audits that have been forcefully opposed by the Democrats are showing exactly what the protectors have claimed - that Biden's votes were largely illegal. Apparently you don't want a legal government.

And which audits are that? Tell us! We are all listening.

--
Cheers,

John B.

On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 3:51:11 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Jul 2021 09:38:18 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 8:46:20 AM UTC-7, Duane wrote:
> >> AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >> > On 7/6/2021 9:19 AM, jbeattie wrote:
> >> >> On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 6:00:21 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> >> >>> On 7/5/2021 10:23 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >> >>>> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 7:07:30 PM UTC-7, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> American Stalin? You mean like Trump and his Republican backers in
> >> >>>>> the House who voted to disregard a democratic vote for President..
> >> >>>>> They wanted to keep their dictator want to be in power. Hell with the
> >> >>>>> will of the people. F them. Power, power, power! F democracy and freedom.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Relevant video here. A bunch of tourists got a little out of control.
> >> >>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/30/us/jan-6-capitol-attack-takeaways.html
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> - Frank Krygowski
> >> >>>>
> >> >>> A little perspective:
> >> >>> https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/19/politics/trump-inauguration-protests-womens-march/index.html
> >> >>>
> >> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCu2gxVZ4E8
> >> >>>
> >> >>> and also:
> >> >>> https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/04/politics/kavanaugh-protests-us-capitol/index.html
> >> >>>
> >> >>> We are at best an unruly bunch here in the US of A.
> >> >>
> >> >> False equivalence. None of those insurrections -- to the extent they
> >> >> were insurrections rather than protests -- were organized or promoted by
> >> >> a sitting president or his proxies. Trump even vilified his own vice
> >> >> president for not overturning the election somehow. It made us look
> >> >> like a banana republic.
> >> >>
> >> >> -- Jay Beattie.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > None of the incidents mentioned were insurrections. Words
> >> > ought to matter and they just were not. Mob action, yes,
> >> > riot, yes, involving a hundred or so yahoos at the edge of
> >> > 100000 or so people. I'm not defending anyone here, but I'm
> >> > not inflating the thing into fantasy either.
> >> >
> >> > I listened to the President live just beforehand. But hey
> >> > don't take my word for it, there's a transcript. 'Incitement
> >> > to riot' is not what happened.
> >> >
> >> Lying to his followers that the election was stolen from them is as close
> >> as you can get to inciting insurrection without actually saying it. These
> >> people think they’re patriots defending their country.
> >>
> >> Not to mention the other yahoos on that stage giving speeches about trial
> >> by combat etc. What is required to define incitement?
> >>
> >> What would have happened if they actually got Pelosi or hanged Pence?
> >> Would that be insurrection?
> >Duane, apparently it doesn't seem to matter to you that the audits that have been forcefully opposed by the Democrats are showing exactly what the protectors have claimed - that Biden's votes were largely illegal. Apparently you don't want a legal government.
> And which audits are that? Tell us! We are all listening.

Crickets. It certainly wasn't the Michigan audit conducted by Republicans. https://tinyurl.com/kc8ebkuu Summary: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/06/michigan-republican-truth-election-fraud/619326/

-- Jay Beattie.

jbeattie <jbeattie57@msn.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 3:51:11 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
>> On Tue, 6 Jul 2021 09:38:18 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 8:46:20 AM UTC-7, Duane wrote:
>>>> AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>> On 7/6/2021 9:19 AM, jbeattie wrote:
>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 6:00:21 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/5/2021 10:23 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 7:07:30 PM UTC-7, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> American Stalin? You mean like Trump and his Republican backers in
>>>>>>>>> the House who voted to disregard a democratic vote for President.
>>>>>>>>> They wanted to keep their dictator want to be in power. Hell with the
>>>>>>>>> will of the people. F them. Power, power, power! F democracy and freedom.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Relevant video here. A bunch of tourists got a little out of control.
>>>>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/30/us/jan-6-capitol-attack-takeaways.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A little perspective:
>>>>>>> https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/19/politics/trump-inauguration-protests-womens-march/index.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCu2gxVZ4E8
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and also:
>>>>>>> https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/04/politics/kavanaugh-protests-us-capitol/index.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We are at best an unruly bunch here in the US of A.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> False equivalence. None of those insurrections -- to the extent they
>>>>>> were insurrections rather than protests -- were organized or promoted by
>>>>>> a sitting president or his proxies. Trump even vilified his own vice
>>>>>> president for not overturning the election somehow. It made us look
>>>>>> like a banana republic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Jay Beattie.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> None of the incidents mentioned were insurrections. Words
>>>>> ought to matter and they just were not. Mob action, yes,
>>>>> riot, yes, involving a hundred or so yahoos at the edge of
>>>>> 100000 or so people. I'm not defending anyone here, but I'm
>>>>> not inflating the thing into fantasy either.
>>>>>
>>>>> I listened to the President live just beforehand. But hey
>>>>> don't take my word for it, there's a transcript. 'Incitement
>>>>> to riot' is not what happened.
>>>>>
>>>> Lying to his followers that the election was stolen from them is as close
>>>> as you can get to inciting insurrection without actually saying it. These
>>>> people think they’re patriots defending their country.
>>>>
>>>> Not to mention the other yahoos on that stage giving speeches about trial
>>>> by combat etc. What is required to define incitement?
>>>>
>>>> What would have happened if they actually got Pelosi or hanged Pence?
>>>> Would that be insurrection?
>>> Duane, apparently it doesn't seem to matter to you that the audits that
>>> have been forcefully opposed by the Democrats are showing exactly what
>>> the protectors have claimed - that Biden's votes were largely illegal.
>>> Apparently you don't want a legal government.
>> And which audits are that? Tell us! We are all listening.
>
> Crickets. It certainly wasn't the Michigan audit conducted by Republicans.
> https://tinyurl.com/kc8ebkuu Summary:
> https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/06/michigan-republican-truth-election-fraud/619326/
>
>
> -- Jay Beattie.
>

It’s beyond ridiculous. Just put nonsense out there and some idiots take
it as gospel. I guess like any other cult.

On 7/6/2021 8:57 PM, Duane wrote:
> jbeattie <jbeattie57@msn.com> wrote:
>> On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 3:51:11 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
>>> On Tue, 6 Jul 2021 09:38:18 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 8:46:20 AM UTC-7, Duane wrote:
>>>>> AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/6/2021 9:19 AM, jbeattie wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 6:00:21 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/5/2021 10:23 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 7:07:30 PM UTC-7, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> American Stalin? You mean like Trump and his Republican backers in
>>>>>>>>>> the House who voted to disregard a democratic vote for President.
>>>>>>>>>> They wanted to keep their dictator want to be in power. Hell with the
>>>>>>>>>> will of the people. F them. Power, power, power! F democracy and freedom.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Relevant video here. A bunch of tourists got a little out of control.
>>>>>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/30/us/jan-6-capitol-attack-takeaways.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A little perspective:
>>>>>>>> https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/19/politics/trump-inauguration-protests-womens-march/index.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCu2gxVZ4E8
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and also:
>>>>>>>> https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/04/politics/kavanaugh-protests-us-capitol/index.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We are at best an unruly bunch here in the US of A.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> False equivalence. None of those insurrections -- to the extent they
>>>>>>> were insurrections rather than protests -- were organized or promoted by
>>>>>>> a sitting president or his proxies. Trump even vilified his own vice
>>>>>>> president for not overturning the election somehow. It made us look
>>>>>>> like a banana republic.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- Jay Beattie.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> None of the incidents mentioned were insurrections. Words
>>>>>> ought to matter and they just were not. Mob action, yes,
>>>>>> riot, yes, involving a hundred or so yahoos at the edge of
>>>>>> 100000 or so people. I'm not defending anyone here, but I'm
>>>>>> not inflating the thing into fantasy either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I listened to the President live just beforehand. But hey
>>>>>> don't take my word for it, there's a transcript. 'Incitement
>>>>>> to riot' is not what happened.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Lying to his followers that the election was stolen from them is as close
>>>>> as you can get to inciting insurrection without actually saying it. These
>>>>> people think they’re patriots defending their country.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not to mention the other yahoos on that stage giving speeches about trial
>>>>> by combat etc. What is required to define incitement?
>>>>>
>>>>> What would have happened if they actually got Pelosi or hanged Pence?
>>>>> Would that be insurrection?
>>>> Duane, apparently it doesn't seem to matter to you that the audits that
>>>> have been forcefully opposed by the Democrats are showing exactly what
>>>> the protectors have claimed - that Biden's votes were largely illegal.
>>>> Apparently you don't want a legal government.
>>> And which audits are that? Tell us! We are all listening.
>>
>> Crickets. It certainly wasn't the Michigan audit conducted by Republicans.
>> https://tinyurl.com/kc8ebkuu Summary:
>> https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/06/michigan-republican-truth-election-fraud/619326/
>>
>>
>> -- Jay Beattie.
>>
>
> It’s beyond ridiculous. Just put nonsense out there and some idiots take
> it as gospel. I guess like any other cult.

Tom is worse. He's teetering on the edge of insanity. His reality is no
longer objective; it's whatever he imagines.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 00:57:25 -0000 (UTC), Duane
<no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>jbeattie <jbeattie57@msn.com> wrote:
>> On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 3:51:11 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
>>> On Tue, 6 Jul 2021 09:38:18 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 8:46:20 AM UTC-7, Duane wrote:
>>>>> AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/6/2021 9:19 AM, jbeattie wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 6:00:21 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/5/2021 10:23 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 7:07:30 PM UTC-7, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> American Stalin? You mean like Trump and his Republican backers in
>>>>>>>>>> the House who voted to disregard a democratic vote for President.
>>>>>>>>>> They wanted to keep their dictator want to be in power. Hell with the
>>>>>>>>>> will of the people. F them. Power, power, power! F democracy and freedom.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Relevant video here. A bunch of tourists got a little out of control.
>>>>>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/30/us/jan-6-capitol-attack-takeaways.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A little perspective:
>>>>>>>> https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/19/politics/trump-inauguration-protests-womens-march/index.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCu2gxVZ4E8
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and also:
>>>>>>>> https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/04/politics/kavanaugh-protests-us-capitol/index.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We are at best an unruly bunch here in the US of A.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> False equivalence. None of those insurrections -- to the extent they
>>>>>>> were insurrections rather than protests -- were organized or promoted by
>>>>>>> a sitting president or his proxies. Trump even vilified his own vice
>>>>>>> president for not overturning the election somehow. It made us look
>>>>>>> like a banana republic.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- Jay Beattie.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> None of the incidents mentioned were insurrections. Words
>>>>>> ought to matter and they just were not. Mob action, yes,
>>>>>> riot, yes, involving a hundred or so yahoos at the edge of
>>>>>> 100000 or so people. I'm not defending anyone here, but I'm
>>>>>> not inflating the thing into fantasy either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I listened to the President live just beforehand. But hey
>>>>>> don't take my word for it, there's a transcript. 'Incitement
>>>>>> to riot' is not what happened.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Lying to his followers that the election was stolen from them is as close
>>>>> as you can get to inciting insurrection without actually saying it. These
>>>>> people think they’re patriots defending their country.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not to mention the other yahoos on that stage giving speeches about trial
>>>>> by combat etc. What is required to define incitement?
>>>>>
>>>>> What would have happened if they actually got Pelosi or hanged Pence?
>>>>> Would that be insurrection?
>>>> Duane, apparently it doesn't seem to matter to you that the audits that
>>>> have been forcefully opposed by the Democrats are showing exactly what
>>>> the protectors have claimed - that Biden's votes were largely illegal.
>>>> Apparently you don't want a legal government.
>>> And which audits are that? Tell us! We are all listening.
>>
>> Crickets. It certainly wasn't the Michigan audit conducted by Republicans.
>> https://tinyurl.com/kc8ebkuu Summary:
>> https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/06/michigan-republican-truth-election-fraud/619326/
>>
>>
>> -- Jay Beattie.
>>
>
>It’s beyond ridiculous. Just put nonsense out there and some idiots take
>it as gospel. I guess like any other cult.

Of course, fiction is often much more enjoyable then reality.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Tue, 6 Jul 2021 21:16:00 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 7/6/2021 8:57 PM, Duane wrote:
>> jbeattie <jbeattie57@msn.com> wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 3:51:11 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 6 Jul 2021 09:38:18 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 8:46:20 AM UTC-7, Duane wrote:
>>>>>> AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/6/2021 9:19 AM, jbeattie wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 6:00:21 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 7/5/2021 10:23 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 7:07:30 PM UTC-7, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> American Stalin? You mean like Trump and his Republican backers in
>>>>>>>>>>> the House who voted to disregard a democratic vote for President.
>>>>>>>>>>> They wanted to keep their dictator want to be in power. Hell with the
>>>>>>>>>>> will of the people. F them. Power, power, power! F democracy and freedom.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Relevant video here. A bunch of tourists got a little out of control.
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/30/us/jan-6-capitol-attack-takeaways.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A little perspective:
>>>>>>>>> https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/19/politics/trump-inauguration-protests-womens-march/index.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCu2gxVZ4E8
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and also:
>>>>>>>>> https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/04/politics/kavanaugh-protests-us-capitol/index.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We are at best an unruly bunch here in the US of A.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> False equivalence. None of those insurrections -- to the extent they
>>>>>>>> were insurrections rather than protests -- were organized or promoted by
>>>>>>>> a sitting president or his proxies. Trump even vilified his own vice
>>>>>>>> president for not overturning the election somehow. It made us look
>>>>>>>> like a banana republic.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -- Jay Beattie.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> None of the incidents mentioned were insurrections. Words
>>>>>>> ought to matter and they just were not. Mob action, yes,
>>>>>>> riot, yes, involving a hundred or so yahoos at the edge of
>>>>>>> 100000 or so people. I'm not defending anyone here, but I'm
>>>>>>> not inflating the thing into fantasy either.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I listened to the President live just beforehand. But hey
>>>>>>> don't take my word for it, there's a transcript. 'Incitement
>>>>>>> to riot' is not what happened.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lying to his followers that the election was stolen from them is as close
>>>>>> as you can get to inciting insurrection without actually saying it. These
>>>>>> people think they’re patriots defending their country.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not to mention the other yahoos on that stage giving speeches about trial
>>>>>> by combat etc. What is required to define incitement?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What would have happened if they actually got Pelosi or hanged Pence?
>>>>>> Would that be insurrection?
>>>>> Duane, apparently it doesn't seem to matter to you that the audits that
>>>>> have been forcefully opposed by the Democrats are showing exactly what
>>>>> the protectors have claimed - that Biden's votes were largely illegal.
>>>>> Apparently you don't want a legal government.
>>>> And which audits are that? Tell us! We are all listening.
>>>
>>> Crickets. It certainly wasn't the Michigan audit conducted by Republicans.
>>> https://tinyurl.com/kc8ebkuu Summary:
>>> https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/06/michigan-republican-truth-election-fraud/619326/
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Jay Beattie.
>>>
>>
>> It’s beyond ridiculous. Just put nonsense out there and some idiots take
>> it as gospel. I guess like any other cult.
>
>Tom is worse. He's teetering on the edge of insanity. His reality is no
>longer objective; it's whatever he imagines.

But just think how happy and fulfilled he is... always being right :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 5:26:16 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 3:51:11 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> > On Tue, 6 Jul 2021 09:38:18 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> > <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 8:46:20 AM UTC-7, Duane wrote:
> > >> AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> > >> > On 7/6/2021 9:19 AM, jbeattie wrote:
> > >> >> On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 6:00:21 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> > >> >>> On 7/5/2021 10:23 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > >> >>>> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 7:07:30 PM UTC-7, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> American Stalin? You mean like Trump and his Republican backers in
> > >> >>>>> the House who voted to disregard a democratic vote for President.
> > >> >>>>> They wanted to keep their dictator want to be in power. Hell with the
> > >> >>>>> will of the people. F them. Power, power, power! F democracy and freedom.
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> Relevant video here. A bunch of tourists got a little out of control.
> > >> >>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/30/us/jan-6-capitol-attack-takeaways.html
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> - Frank Krygowski
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>> A little perspective:
> > >> >>> https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/19/politics/trump-inauguration-protests-womens-march/index.html
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCu2gxVZ4E8
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> and also:
> > >> >>> https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/04/politics/kavanaugh-protests-us-capitol/index.html
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> We are at best an unruly bunch here in the US of A.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> False equivalence. None of those insurrections -- to the extent they
> > >> >> were insurrections rather than protests -- were organized or promoted by
> > >> >> a sitting president or his proxies. Trump even vilified his own vice
> > >> >> president for not overturning the election somehow. It made us look
> > >> >> like a banana republic.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> -- Jay Beattie.
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> > None of the incidents mentioned were insurrections. Words
> > >> > ought to matter and they just were not. Mob action, yes,
> > >> > riot, yes, involving a hundred or so yahoos at the edge of
> > >> > 100000 or so people. I'm not defending anyone here, but I'm
> > >> > not inflating the thing into fantasy either.
> > >> >
> > >> > I listened to the President live just beforehand. But hey
> > >> > don't take my word for it, there's a transcript. 'Incitement
> > >> > to riot' is not what happened.
> > >> >
> > >> Lying to his followers that the election was stolen from them is as close
> > >> as you can get to inciting insurrection without actually saying it. These
> > >> people think they’re patriots defending their country.
> > >>
> > >> Not to mention the other yahoos on that stage giving speeches about trial
> > >> by combat etc. What is required to define incitement?
> > >>
> > >> What would have happened if they actually got Pelosi or hanged Pence?
> > >> Would that be insurrection?
> > >Duane, apparently it doesn't seem to matter to you that the audits that have been forcefully opposed by the Democrats are showing exactly what the protectors have claimed - that Biden's votes were largely illegal. Apparently you don't want a legal government.
> > And which audits are that? Tell us! We are all listening.
> Crickets. It certainly wasn't the Michigan audit conducted by Republicans.. https://tinyurl.com/kc8ebkuu Summary: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/06/michigan-republican-truth-election-fraud/619326/
>
> -- Jay Beattie.
You are willing to believe absolutely anything https://electionwiz.com/2021/04/10/huge-news-michigan-elections-forensics-report-says-66194-unregistered-ballots-tallied/