At 3pm on Sunday 23 April, my government is going to test its new nationwide
panic alarm to keep the people in a state of alert to its latest scare
campaign. How can I stop this nonsense in advance. I don't want to receive
these alerts.

&y <reply@group.please> writes:

> At 3pm on Sunday 23 April, my government is going to test its new nationwide
> panic alarm to keep the people in a state of alert to its latest scare
> campaign. How can I stop this nonsense in advance. I don't want to receive
> these alerts.

The alerts could be about imminent danger to life caused by government
policy. But anyway...

https://www.gov.uk/alerts/how-alerts-work#:~:text=Opting%20out%20of%20emergency%20alerts&text=To%20opt%20out%3A,'%20and%20'extreme%20alerts'.

On 4/6/2023 11:27 AM, &y wrote:
> At 3pm on Sunday 23 April, my government is going to test its new nationwide
> panic alarm to keep the people in a state of alert to its latest scare
> campaign. How can I stop this nonsense in advance. I don't want to receive
> these alerts.

Hmmm. Well you could switch off your device(s). Belive it or not, it is
possible to go right on living while being disconnected for short periods.
Or you might drive up into the Northern Scottish hinterlands to put
yourself beyond the reach of their messages. I've managed to disconnect
that way in the past.

On Thu, 06 Apr 2023 16:35:46 +0100, Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote:

>&y <reply@group.please> writes:
>
>> At 3pm on Sunday 23 April, my government is going to test its new nationwide
>> panic alarm to keep the people in a state of alert to its latest scare
>> campaign. How can I stop this nonsense in advance. I don't want to receive
>> these alerts.
>
>The alerts could be about imminent danger to life caused by government
>policy. But anyway...
>
>https://www.gov.uk/alerts/how-alerts-work#:~:text=Opting%20out%20of%20emergency%20alerts&text=To%20opt%20out%3A,'%20and%20'extreme%20alerts'.

Thanks. I've found a way to stop wireless emergency alerts on my phone by
going through the notification setting, but those setting don't exist on my
android tab, even though it has a SIM.

On 2023-04-06 11:27, &y wrote:
> At 3pm on Sunday 23 April, my government is going to test its new nationwide
> panic alarm to keep the people in a state of alert to its latest scare
> campaign. How can I stop this nonsense in advance. I don't want to receive
> these alerts.

Why don't you let it work for a while and see if it is so terrible
you'll need to go live like a hermit somewhere wearing sackcloth?

--
“Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present
danger to American democracy.”
- J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
- Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
committee

Am 06.04.23 um 17:27 schrieb &y:
> At 3pm on Sunday 23 April, my government is going to test its new nationwide
> panic alarm to keep the people in a state of alert to its latest scare
> campaign. How can I stop this nonsense in advance. I don't want to receive
> these alerts.

A classic Troll-question.
Turn your "smartphone" off. If it is CB (Cell Broadcast) there is no
other way to escape. That is the idea btw.

--
De gustibus non est disputandum

Am 06.04.23 um 21:49 schrieb &y:
> On Thu, 06 Apr 2023 16:35:46 +0100, Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote:
>
>> &y <reply@group.please> writes:
>>
>>> At 3pm on Sunday 23 April, my government is going to test its new nationwide
>>> panic alarm to keep the people in a state of alert to its latest scare
>>> campaign. How can I stop this nonsense in advance. I don't want to receive
>>> these alerts.
>>
>> The alerts could be about imminent danger to life caused by government
>> policy. But anyway...
>>
>> https://www.gov.uk/alerts/how-alerts-work#:~:text=Opting%20out%20of%20emergency%20alerts&text=To%20opt%20out%3A,'%20and%20'extreme%20alerts'.
>
> Thanks. I've found a way to stop wireless emergency alerts on my phone by
> going through the notification setting, but those setting don't exist on my
> android tab, even though it has a SIM.

If it is CB it won't work anyway.
As I said: You are a Troll.

--
De gustibus non est disputandum

On 2023-04-06 16:55, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 06.04.23 um 17:27 schrieb &y:
>> At 3pm on Sunday 23 April, my government is going to test its new nationwide
>> panic alarm to keep the people in a state of alert to its latest scare
>> campaign. How can I stop this nonsense in advance. I don't want to receive
>> these alerts.
>
> A classic Troll-question.
> Turn your "smartphone" off. If it is CB (Cell Broadcast) there is no
> other way to escape. That is the idea btw.

Depends on the country.

--
“Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present
danger to American democracy.”
- J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
- Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
committee

Am 06.04.23 um 23:17 schrieb Alan Browne:
> On 2023-04-06 16:55, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>> Am 06.04.23 um 17:27 schrieb &y:
>>> At 3pm on Sunday 23 April, my government is going to test its new nationwide
>>> panic alarm to keep the people in a state of alert to its latest scare
>>> campaign. How can I stop this nonsense in advance. I don't want to receive
>>> these alerts.
>>
>> A classic Troll-question.
>> Turn your "smartphone" off. If it is CB (Cell Broadcast) there is no
>> other way to escape. That is the idea btw.
>
> Depends on the country.

You know what Cell Broadcast means/is? It is sent to all phones that are
logged into a mobile network in a defined perimeter on the
service/control channel.

--
De gustibus non est disputandum

On 2023-04-07 02:05, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 06.04.23 um 23:17 schrieb Alan Browne:
>> On 2023-04-06 16:55, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>> Am 06.04.23 um 17:27 schrieb &y:
>>>> At 3pm on Sunday 23 April, my government is going to test its new nationwide
>>>> panic alarm to keep the people in a state of alert to its latest scare
>>>> campaign. How can I stop this nonsense in advance. I don't want to receive
>>>> these alerts.
>>>
>>> A classic Troll-question.
>>> Turn your "smartphone" off. If it is CB (Cell Broadcast) there is no
>>> other way to escape. That is the idea btw.
>>
>> Depends on the country.
>
> You know what Cell Broadcast means/is? It is sent to all phones that are
> logged into a mobile network in a defined perimeter on the
> service/control channel.

Which is why, according to national laws, in some countries you can turn
off the alert (at the phone), and in others you cannot.

In the US you can disable such alerts.
In Canada you cannot.

https://www.iphonelife.com/content/how-to-turn-emergency-alerts-your-iphone

You should do research before asserting your assumptions.

--
“Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present
danger to American democracy.”
- J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
- Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
committee

Am 07.04.23 um 14:41 schrieb Alan Browne:
> On 2023-04-07 02:05, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>> You know what Cell Broadcast means/is? It is sent to all phones that are
>> logged into a mobile network in a defined perimeter on the
>> service/control channel.
>
> Which is why, according to national laws, in some countries you can turn
> off the alert (at the phone), and in others you cannot.
>
> In the US you can disable such alerts.
> In Canada you cannot.
>
> https://www.iphonelife.com/content/how-to-turn-emergency-alerts-your-iphone
>
> You should do research before asserting your assumptions.

Chatterbox.

--
Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

On 2023-04-07 09:48, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 07.04.23 um 14:41 schrieb Alan Browne:
>> On 2023-04-07 02:05, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>> You know what Cell Broadcast means/is? It is sent to all phones that are
>>> logged into a mobile network in a defined perimeter on the
>>> service/control channel.
>>
>> Which is why, according to national laws, in some countries you can turn
>> off the alert (at the phone), and in others you cannot.
>>
>> In the US you can disable such alerts.
>> In Canada you cannot.
>>
>> https://www.iphonelife.com/content/how-to-turn-emergency-alerts-your-iphone
>>
>> You should do research before asserting your assumptions.
>
> Chatterbox.

You assert (twice) that something cannot be done.
I show it can.
You call me a name.

Maybe you're getting too much ionizing radiation again?

--
“Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present
danger to American democracy.”
- J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
- Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
committee

Am 07.04.23 um 21:57 schrieb Alan Browne:
> You assert (twice) that something cannot be done.
> I show it can.

You cannot show us anything at all.

--
De gustibus non est disputandum

On 2023-04-07 16:02, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 07.04.23 um 21:57 schrieb Alan Browne:
>> You assert (twice) that something cannot be done.
>> I show it can.
>
> You cannot show us anything at all.

Yes. I posted a link to a site showing how it is done.

Do keep up.

--
“Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present
danger to American democracy.”
- J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
- Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
committee

On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 22:55:01 +0200, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:

>Am 06.04.23 um 17:27 schrieb &y:
>> At 3pm on Sunday 23 April, my government is going to test its new nationwide
>> panic alarm to keep the people in a state of alert to its latest scare
>> campaign. How can I stop this nonsense in advance. I don't want to receive
>> these alerts.
>
>A classic Troll-question.

No, but your response to a perfectly legitimate and important question is a
classic imbecile's response who hasn't bothered to think of all those people
with a genuine need to have a second secret phone as a lifeline who need to
be able to turn these alerts off. Here below is something you haven't even
considered because you're obviously not much of a thinker.

"Brits will receive a test alert from the Government on April 2 3 as part of
a new system intended to warn the public in life-threatening situations such
as flooding and wildfires.

Women’s charities have been quick to advise how to turn off the 10-second
siren - which will go off even if phones are on silent mode - amid concerns
it will reveal domestic abuse victims’ secret phones.

Advising women online, Refuge said: “If you're living with an abusive
partner, this could put you at risk because it could let your partner know
about a secret or secondary phone. Even if your phone is on silent, the
emergency alert will still make a sound.”

The charity said its tech safety team has put together a guide on how to
turn the alerts off, both for Android and for iPhones, which can be found
online."
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/domestic-abuse-victims-advised-disable-29508049

There are many other reasons for a second 'silent phone' apart from those in
need of a help line from domestic abuse. You, being the abusive type from
the off without any provocation are just the type vulnerable people need to
be protected from and need to be able to switch off these intrusive alerts
to feel safe.

On Fri, 7 Apr 2023 16:13:17 -0400, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com>
wrote:

>On 2023-04-07 16:02, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>> Am 07.04.23 um 21:57 schrieb Alan Browne:
>>> You assert (twice) that something cannot be done.
>>> I show it can.
>>
>> You cannot show us anything at all.
>
>Yes. I posted a link to a site showing how it is done.

Yes, in fact you did, but of course Joerg will never admit a mistake.
>
>Do keep up.

Good advice

On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 15:58:29 -0400, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com>
wrote:

>On 2023-04-06 11:27, &y wrote:
>> At 3pm on Sunday 23 April, my government is going to test its new nationwide
>> panic alarm to keep the people in a state of alert to its latest scare
>> campaign. How can I stop this nonsense in advance. I don't want to receive
>> these alerts.
>
>Why don't you let it work for a while and see if it is so terrible
>you'll need to go live like a hermit somewhere wearing sackcloth?

No, there are genuine concerns that these wireless alerts are going to put
domestic abuse victims in danger by alerting violent partners to 'second
phones.'

"Brits will receive a test alert from the Government on April 23 as part of
a new system intended to warn the public in life-threatening situations such
as flooding and wildfires.

Women’s charities have been quick to advise how to turn off the 10-second
siren - which will go off even if phones are on silent mode - amid concerns
it will reveal domestic abuse victims’ secret phones.

Advising women online, Refuge said: “If you're living with an abusive
partner, this could put you at risk because it could let your partner know
about a secret or secondary phone. Even if your phone is on silent, the
emergency alert will still make a sound.”

The charity said its tech safety team has put together a guide on how to
turn the alerts off, both for Android and for iPhones, which can be found
online."
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/domestic-abuse-victims-advised-disable-29508049

As the article says, “If you're living with an abusive
partner, this could put you at risk because it could let your partner know
about a secret or secondary phone. Even if your phone is on silent, the
emergency alert will still make a sound.” This is a very worrying 'new
system' the British government is putting into practice, and victims of
domestic abuse are desperate to find ways of keeping their secondary phone
secret.

On 2023-04-06 08:27, &y wrote:
> At 3pm on Sunday 23 April, my government is going to test its new nationwide
> panic alarm to keep the people in a state of alert to its latest scare
> campaign. How can I stop this nonsense in advance. I don't want to receive
> these alerts.

Very serious question:

Why do you care?

Am 08.04.23 um 00:27 schrieb &y:
> Yes, in fact you did, but of course Joerg will never admit a mistake.

You are simply an anonymous Troll.

--
Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

Am 08.04.23 um 00:25 schrieb &y:
> who hasn't bothered to think of all those people
> with a genuine need to have a second secret phone as a lifeline who need to
> be able to turn these alerts off.

Such a need is inexistent in case your life is threatened. Even
anonymous Trolls like you have a right to get lifesaving information.

You and Alan do not understand, that the placebo buttons are only
working on lower level alerts.

--
Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

&y <reply@group.please> writes:

> At 3pm on Sunday 23 April, my government is going to test its new nationwide
> panic alarm to keep the people in a state of alert to its latest scare
> campaign. How can I stop this nonsense in advance. I don't want to receive
> these alerts.

If you plugged a jack into the headphone socket, that might stop the
alert. It would stop any other sounds too though, although I haven't
tested it.

On 2023-04-08 00:25, &y wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 22:55:01 +0200, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
>> Am 06.04.23 um 17:27 schrieb &y:
>>> At 3pm on Sunday 23 April, my government is going to test its new nationwide
>>> panic alarm to keep the people in a state of alert to its latest scare
>>> campaign. How can I stop this nonsense in advance. I don't want to receive
>>> these alerts.
>>
>> A classic Troll-question.
>
> No, but your response to a perfectly legitimate and important question is a
> classic imbecile's response who hasn't bothered to think of all those people
> with a genuine need to have a second secret phone as a lifeline who need to
> be able to turn these alerts off. Here below is something you haven't even
> considered because you're obviously not much of a thinker.
>
> "Brits will receive a test alert from the Government on April 2 3 as part of
> a new system intended to warn the public in life-threatening situations such
> as flooding and wildfires.
>
> Women’s charities have been quick to advise how to turn off the 10-second
> siren - which will go off even if phones are on silent mode - amid concerns
> it will reveal domestic abuse victims’ secret phones.

Or undercover police officers.

You are right, you have convinced me. There are genuine reasons for
needing to keep a phone silent no matter what.

Those people will usually have another "visible" phone that will receive
the alert and not put them in danger. Or somebody else near them will.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 4/8/2023 8:04 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2023-04-08 00:25, &y wrote:
>> On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 22:55:01 +0200, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
>>> Am 06.04.23 um 17:27 schrieb &y:
>>>> At 3pm on Sunday 23 April, my government is going to test its new
>>>> nationwide
>>>> panic alarm to keep the people in a state of alert to its latest scare
>>>> campaign. How can I stop this nonsense in advance. I don't want to
>>>> receive
>>>> these alerts.
>>>
>>> A classic Troll-question.
>>
>> No, but your response to a perfectly legitimate and important question
>> is a
>> classic imbecile's response who hasn't bothered to think of all those
>> people
>> with a genuine need to have a second secret phone as a lifeline who
>> need to
>> be able to turn these alerts off. Here below is something you haven't
>> even
>> considered because you're obviously not much of a thinker.
>>
>> "Brits will receive a test alert from the Government on April 2 3 as
>> part of
>> a new system intended to warn the public in life-threatening
>> situations such
>> as flooding and wildfires.
>>
>> Women’s charities have been quick to advise how to turn off the 10-second
>> siren - which will go off even if phones are on silent mode - amid
>> concerns
>> it will reveal domestic abuse victims’ secret phones.
>
> Or undercover police officers.
>
> You are right, you have convinced me. There are genuine reasons for
> needing to keep a phone silent no matter what.
>
> Those people will usually have another "visible" phone that will receive
> the alert and not put them in danger. Or somebody else near them will.

Honestly, I can't understand the objection to the Op's remarks. The
only "genuine reason" necessary is whether or not the owner of the phone
wants to get it.
At the very least, the phone owner should be able to decide in what
manner the alert plays on his\her phone. The audio and visible display
should be up to the individual.

On 2023-04-07 18:36, &y wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 15:58:29 -0400, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2023-04-06 11:27, &y wrote:
>>> At 3pm on Sunday 23 April, my government is going to test its new nationwide
>>> panic alarm to keep the people in a state of alert to its latest scare
>>> campaign. How can I stop this nonsense in advance. I don't want to receive
>>> these alerts.
>>
>> Why don't you let it work for a while and see if it is so terrible
>> you'll need to go live like a hermit somewhere wearing sackcloth?
>
> No, there are genuine concerns that these wireless alerts are going to put
> domestic abuse victims in danger by alerting violent partners to 'second
> phones.'
>
> "Brits will receive a test alert from the Government on April 23 as part of
> a new system intended to warn the public in life-threatening situations such
> as flooding and wildfires.
>
> Women’s charities have been quick to advise how to turn off the 10-second
> siren - which will go off even if phones are on silent mode - amid concerns
> it will reveal domestic abuse victims’ secret phones.

Interesting point. Thanks.

--
“Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present
danger to American democracy.”
- J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
- Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
committee

On Sat, 8 Apr 2023 15:04:33 +0200, "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
wrote:

>On 2023-04-08 00:25, &y wrote:
>> On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 22:55:01 +0200, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
>>> Am 06.04.23 um 17:27 schrieb &y:
>>>> At 3pm on Sunday 23 April, my government is going to test its new nationwide
>>>> panic alarm to keep the people in a state of alert to its latest scare
>>>> campaign. How can I stop this nonsense in advance. I don't want to receive
>>>> these alerts.
>>>
>>> A classic Troll-question.
>>
>> No, but your response to a perfectly legitimate and important question is a
>> classic imbecile's response who hasn't bothered to think of all those people
>> with a genuine need to have a second secret phone as a lifeline who need to
>> be able to turn these alerts off. Here below is something you haven't even
>> considered because you're obviously not much of a thinker.
>>
>> "Brits will receive a test alert from the Government on April 2 3 as part of
>> a new system intended to warn the public in life-threatening situations such
>> as flooding and wildfires.
>>
>> Women’s charities have been quick to advise how to turn off the 10-second
>> siren - which will go off even if phones are on silent mode - amid concerns
>> it will reveal domestic abuse victims’ secret phones.
>
>Or undercover police officers.
>
>You are right, you have convinced me.

I'm genuinely relieved that someone, you, in this instance, has put
themselves in the situation of a domestic abuse victim who now can't rely on
what has been their only line to the outside world when virtually locked in
with a over-controlling, violent abuser. They're dreading the day when this
partner or parent confront's them holding their secret phone demanding to
know who else they've been using it to stay in touch with. Domestic abuse
refuges and child-lines are simply unable to convince these distraught
victims in real danger now that their devices can be kept quiet during these
flood alerts and whatnot.

>There are genuine reasons for
>needing to keep a phone silent no matter what.

Yes, precisely. Victims, from mothers of children married to ever-suspicious
monsters to children to children coming forward about their concerns about
being taken out of the country to marry their cousins abroad, and many other
vulnerable people are routinely offered these phones to make them safe, and
above all, to make them feel safe and stay in contact with their helpers.
This new legislation coming out is driving the most vulnerable people away
because no one seems to be able to guarantee them that their device won't
endanger them. It's very difficult to get the trust of these young girls and
women suffering domestic abuse. This life line is now gone, and there was no
discussion with the groups I'm involved in.

>Those people will usually have another "visible" phone that will receive
>the alert and not put them in danger. Or somebody else near them will.

That's true, if they're given the freedom by their family or their abuser to
have a phone. In most cases they aren't, and in a very few cases they have
to be shown how to use one because they've never had access to one. Thanks
for listening. I've been accused of being a troll, simply because I hide my
identity, but I have very good reason to withhold it when coming to
newsgroups with sensitive question as posed above, for my own integrity and
the integrity of those I try to help in very awkward and dangerous
circumstances.