On 4/14/2023 3:46 PM, sms wrote:
> On 4/14/2023 2:49 PM, AJL wrote:

>> My wireless charger claims fast charging but when I first tried it
>> it made the phone quite hot. So I used a smaller power supply with
>> the charger and the phone now gets barely warm.

> I have found the same thing.

> With my iPhone 11 there is barely any heat no matter what power
> supply the wireless charger is plugged into because Apple only
> charges at 7.5W on the 11.
>
> On my Pixel 7 Pro, the wireless charging wattage is up to 23W and it
> gets very warm when the wireless charger is plugged into a USB-C
> charger that is able to supply high wattage. The Magsafe wireless
> charger I use is specified to 15 watts. I need to check the actual
> wattage that it is operating at with the Pixel 7 Pro.
>

I've always thought hot was bad. Dunno if that is still true. But my
original battery is still going after 3.5 years with no NOTICEABLE
degradation so maybe...

> On the Pixel 7 Pro I added a magnet to the case to use Magsafe
> chargers.

I got my generic phone sized wireless charger at Target. It can either
lay flat or stand up and has a ledge for the phone. I use it standing
up. The only other 'mod' I've done is to tape it down to the desk as it
was easy to accidentally knock over...

On 4/14/2023 3:26 PM, nospam wrote:
> AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

>> It [low power wireless charging] does take longer but since I
>> charge overnight I don't notice it.

> which is why speed doesn't matter.

Speed apparently does matter with some folks. Being fast charging
capable is a selling point I see on many chargers boxes these days...

In article <u1cqu4$1o03u$3@dont-email.me>, AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

>
> >> It [low power wireless charging] does take longer but since I
> >> charge overnight I don't notice it.
>
> > which is why speed doesn't matter.
>
> Speed apparently does matter with some folks. Being fast charging
> capable is a selling point I see on many chargers boxes these days...

bigger numbers sell. nothing new there.

what matters is how often it's actually needed, and for most people,
that's not very often, if ever.

most people charge overnight, where a faster charge speed makes
absolutely no difference.

Am 15.04.23 um 02:25 schrieb AJL:
> On 4/14/2023 3:26 PM, nospam wrote:
>> AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
>
>>> It [low power wireless charging] does take longer but since I
>>> charge overnight I don't notice it.
>
>> which is why speed doesn't matter.
>
> Speed apparently does matter with some folks. Being fast charging
> capable is a selling point I see on many chargers boxes these days...

Very much so but it wears the battery faster.

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Am 15.04.23 um 03:33 schrieb nospam:
> In article <u1cqu4$1o03u$3@dont-email.me>, AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>>> It [low power wireless charging] does take longer but since I
>>>> charge overnight I don't notice it.
>>
>>> which is why speed doesn't matter.
>>
>> Speed apparently does matter with some folks. Being fast charging
>> capable is a selling point I see on many chargers boxes these days...
>
> bigger numbers sell. nothing new there.
>
> what matters is how often it's actually needed, and for most people,
> that's not very often, if ever.

This is very certainly none of your business.

> most people charge overnight, where a faster charge speed makes
> absolutely no difference.

That is what you do but not others. Since I have an iPhone 14 and a fast
charger, I stopped overnight charging completely. Because of the
enormous energy effieciency I charge 2 times a week max. 3 times.

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In article <u1cvid$3fsrl$2@solani.org>, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
wrote:

> >>
> >>>> It [low power wireless charging] does take longer but since I
> >>>> charge overnight I don't notice it.
> >>
> >>> which is why speed doesn't matter.
> >>
> >> Speed apparently does matter with some folks. Being fast charging
> >> capable is a selling point I see on many chargers boxes these days...
> >
> > bigger numbers sell. nothing new there.
> >
> > what matters is how often it's actually needed, and for most people,
> > that's not very often, if ever.
>
> This is very certainly none of your business.

nobody said anything about disclosing what they do or do not do. you
made that up.

> > most people charge overnight, where a faster charge speed makes
> > absolutely no difference.
>
> That is what you do but not others.

i didn't say what i do or don't do. you made that up too.

> Since I have an iPhone 14 and a fast
> charger, I stopped overnight charging completely. Because of the
> enormous energy effieciency I charge 2 times a week max. 3 times.

the plural of anecdote is not data.

Am 15.04.23 um 03:54 schrieb nospam:
> In article <u1cvid$3fsrl$2@solani.org>, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
>> Since I have an iPhone 14 and a fast
>> charger, I stopped overnight charging completely. Because of the
>> enormous energy effieciency I charge 2 times a week max. 3 times.
>
> the plural of anecdote is not data.

Are you trying to troll?
You *always* claim to know what others have to want or not to want.

Overnight charging is probably even not sufficient for half of the
smarphone population because most of the devices are old and have very
"limp" batteries.

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On 15.04.23 00:29, VanguardLH wrote:
> AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
>
>> Apparently you have to jump up and run over to your phone too if your
>> phone is "nearby" as you say...
>
> I've got cordless phones all over. Table along recliner, bedsides,
> desk, wall in kitchen, coffee table, basement rooms, garage, and even in
> the bathrooms. Nearby to me is within arm's reach, not running across
> the room; else, I could use multiple cell phones (GV will call them
> all), but too pricey on all the service plans.

You are a slave of your phones or more precisely of the people calling
you. In modern times hardly anybody makes calls to landlines anymore in
the private domain. Mobiles are easy to carry around. If necessary at all.

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In article <u1dagq$3atkg$1@solani.org>, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
wrote:

> Overnight charging is probably even not sufficient for half of the
> smarphone population because most of the devices are old and have very
> "limp" batteries.

rubbish. most phones last at least a day in typical use on a single
charge, often longer.

Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:

> On 15.04.23 00:29, VanguardLH wrote:
>> AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Apparently you have to jump up and run over to your phone too if your
>>> phone is "nearby" as you say...
>>
>> I've got cordless phones all over. Table along recliner, bedsides,
>> desk, wall in kitchen, coffee table, basement rooms, garage, and even in
>> the bathrooms. Nearby to me is within arm's reach, not running across
>> the room; else, I could use multiple cell phones (GV will call them
>> all), but too pricey on all the service plans.
>
> You are a slave of your phones or more precisely of the people calling
> you. In modern times hardly anybody makes calls to landlines anymore in
> the private domain. Mobiles are easy to carry around. If necessary at all.

Then I must be a slave to my remotes, too. Interesting how convenience
gets interpreted as slavery.

Am 15.04.23 um 13:39 schrieb nospam:
> In article <u1dagq$3atkg$1@solani.org>, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
> wrote:
>
>> Overnight charging is probably even not sufficient for half of the
>> smarphone population because most of the devices are old and have very
>> "limp" batteries.
>
> rubbish. most phones last at least a day in typical use on a single
> charge, often longer.

Only idiots claim such things withlout delivering a minimum of proof.
You have no clue.

My phones almost last a week.

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Am 15.04.23 um 17:08 schrieb VanguardLH:
> Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
>
>> On 15.04.23 00:29, VanguardLH wrote:
>>> AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Apparently you have to jump up and run over to your phone too if your
>>>> phone is "nearby" as you say...
>>>
>>> I've got cordless phones all over. Table along recliner, bedsides,
>>> desk, wall in kitchen, coffee table, basement rooms, garage, and even in
>>> the bathrooms. Nearby to me is within arm's reach, not running across
>>> the room; else, I could use multiple cell phones (GV will call them
>>> all), but too pricey on all the service plans.
>>
>> You are a slave of your phones or more precisely of the people calling
>> you. In modern times hardly anybody makes calls to landlines anymore in
>> the private domain. Mobiles are easy to carry around. If necessary at all.
>
> Then I must be a slave to my remotes, too. Interesting how convenience
> gets interpreted as slavery.

Tja. In many cases it is. Very much so indeed.

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Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:

> Am 15.04.23 um 17:08 schrieb VanguardLH:
>> Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
>>
>>> On 15.04.23 00:29, VanguardLH wrote:
>>>> AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Apparently you have to jump up and run over to your phone too if your
>>>>> phone is "nearby" as you say...
>>>>
>>>> I've got cordless phones all over. Table along recliner, bedsides,
>>>> desk, wall in kitchen, coffee table, basement rooms, garage, and even in
>>>> the bathrooms. Nearby to me is within arm's reach, not running across
>>>> the room; else, I could use multiple cell phones (GV will call them
>>>> all), but too pricey on all the service plans.
>>>
>>> You are a slave of your phones or more precisely of the people calling
>>> you. In modern times hardly anybody makes calls to landlines anymore in
>>> the private domain. Mobiles are easy to carry around. If necessary at all.
>>
>> Then I must be a slave to my remotes, too. Interesting how convenience
>> gets interpreted as slavery.
>
> Tja. In many cases it is. Very much so indeed.

I must be a slave to my tools, too. Some toolboxes upstairs, more
downstairs along with tool cabinets, more tools in the garage in
toolboxes, wall hangers, and cabinets, and a toolbox in my car. I've
been pwned by tools.

In article <u1eesn$3bf2p$2@solani.org>, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
wrote:

>
> My phones almost last a week.

that's not the norm and you know it.

On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 21:33:05 -0400, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
wrote:

>In article <u1cqu4$1o03u$3@dont-email.me>, AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> >> It [low power wireless charging] does take longer but since I
>> >> charge overnight I don't notice it.
>>
>> > which is why speed doesn't matter.
>>
>> Speed apparently does matter with some folks. Being fast charging
>> capable is a selling point I see on many chargers boxes these days...
>
>bigger numbers sell. nothing new there.

When it comes to charging time, smaller numbers are faster and better.
<G>

>what matters is how often it's actually needed, and for most people,
>that's not very often, if ever.

Like you, I almost always charge mine overnight, so charging time
usually doesn't matter. But now and then, if I've used it a lot
earlier in the day and have to go out somewhere with it, the charge
may be low and I want it to charge fast before I leave

>most people charge overnight, where a faster charge speed makes
>absolutely no difference.

My guess is that you are probably right when you say "most people,"
but I'm not as sure of it as you are.

On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 17:25:38 -0700, AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

>I got my generic phone sized wireless charger at Target. It can either
>lay flat or stand up and has a ledge for the phone. I use it standing
>up. The only other 'mod' I've done is to tape it down to the desk as it
>was easy to accidentally knock over...

If it's taped *down*, how can you use it standing *up*?

Or did you mean that *you* are standing up when you use it?

(Just two little jokes. No need to answer.)

On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 11:22:03 -0400, nospam wrote:

> In article <u1eesn$3bf2p$2@solani.org>, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> My phones almost last a week.
>
> that's not the norm and you know it.

The norm is a couple of days nowadays if the Android phonw is reasonably
new from the past couple of years. Before that it was only one day.

In article <regl3idakla8uric4dukvbp8p86hn453nc@4ax.com>, Ken Blake
<Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:

>
> >what matters is how often it's actually needed, and for most people,
> >that's not very often, if ever.
>
>
> Like you, I almost always charge mine overnight,

i never said what i do.

what i said was that fast-charging is not needed that often, and to add
to that, it can reduce overall battery life.

> so charging time
> usually doesn't matter.

exactly.

> But now and then, if I've used it a lot
> earlier in the day and have to go out somewhere with it, the charge
> may be low and I want it to charge fast before I leave

yep, that does happen on occasion.

car chargers work well in such scenarios.

On 4/15/2023 8:40 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 17:25:38 -0700, AJL wrote:

>> I got my generic phone sized wireless charger at Target. It can
>> either lay flat or stand up and has a ledge for the phone. I use it
>> standing up. The only other 'mod' I've done is to tape it down to
>> the desk as it was easy to accidentally knock over...

> If it's taped *down*, how can you use it standing *up*? Or did you
> mean that *you* are standing up when you use it?

Make all the jokes you want but you will have to admit that
my system is definitely out-standing...

https://gecbunlari.com

https://gecbunlari.com/emoji-anlamlari/

On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 11:53:18 -0400, quicksilver <invalid@spam.invalid>
wrote:

>On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 11:22:03 -0400, nospam wrote:
>
>> In article <u1eesn$3bf2p$2@solani.org>, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> My phones almost last a week.
>>
>> that's not the norm and you know it.
>
>The norm is a couple of days nowadays if the Android phonw is reasonably
>new from the past couple of years. Before that it was only one day.

Doesn't it depend on how much use the phone has had? A "norm" can be
very misleading.

I don't use mine a lot, so a charge typically lasts three--sometimes
four--days.

On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 08:32:48 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

>>bigger numbers sell. nothing new there.
>
> When it comes to charging time, smaller numbers are faster and better.

Most people don't even bother with overnight charging anymore.

If the phone is recent, when it needs charging you just top it off in a
half hour to an hour or two depending on how low you let it go.

On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 12:06:53 -0400, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
wrote:

>In article <regl3idakla8uric4dukvbp8p86hn453nc@4ax.com>, Ken Blake
><Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> >what matters is how often it's actually needed, and for most people,
>> >that's not very often, if ever.
>>
>>
>> Like you, I almost always charge mine overnight,
>
>i never said what i do.

OK, you said "most people charge overnight, where a faster charge
speed makes absolutely no difference." If I misinterpreted that to
mean you included yourself in "most people, my apologies. So delete
"like you" from that sentence.

>
>what i said was that fast-charging is not needed that often, and to add
>to that, it can reduce overall battery life.
>
>> so charging time
>> usually doesn't matter.
>
>exactly.
>
>> But now and then, if I've used it a lot
>> earlier in the day and have to go out somewhere with it, the charge
>> may be low and I want it to charge fast before I leave
>
>yep, that does happen on occasion.
>
>car chargers work well in such scenarios.

Yes, but only if you have one (I don't think I do), and if you are in
your car. As a single example, "going out" might mean I was visiting
a next-door neighbor.

On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 09:43:57 -0700, AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

>On 4/15/2023 8:40 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
>> On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 17:25:38 -0700, AJL wrote:
>
>>> I got my generic phone sized wireless charger at Target. It can
>>> either lay flat or stand up and has a ledge for the phone. I use it
>>> standing up. The only other 'mod' I've done is to tape it down to
>>> the desk as it was easy to accidentally knock over...
>
>> If it's taped *down*, how can you use it standing *up*? Or did you
>> mean that *you* are standing up when you use it?
>
>Make all the jokes you want but you will have to admit that
>my system is definitely out-standing...

OK, I admit it.

On 4/15/2023 9:56 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 09:43:57 -0700, AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
>> On 4/15/2023 8:40 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
>>> On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 17:25:38 -0700, AJL wrote:

>>>> I got my generic phone sized wireless charger at Target. It can
>>>> either lay flat or stand up and has a ledge for the phone. I use it
>>>> standing up. The only other 'mod' I've done is to tape it down to
>>>> the desk as it was easy to accidentally knock over...

>>> If it's taped *down*, how can you use it standing *up*? Or did you
>>> mean that *you* are standing up when you use it?

>> Make all the jokes you want but you will have to admit that
>> my system is definitely out-standing...

> OK, I admit it.

Glad to hear it. I couldn't stand it if you thought my posts weren't up
to high stand-ards...