Each year, more than 165 million Americans get the flu shot. There were 85 reported deaths following influenza vaccination in 2017; 119 deaths in 2018; and 203 deaths in 2019

Between mid-December 2020 and April 23, 2021, at which point between 95 million and 100 million Americans had received their COVID-19 shots, there were 3,544 reported deaths following COVID vaccination, or about 30 per day

In just four months, the COVID-19 vaccines have killed more people than all available vaccines combined from mid-1997 until the end of 2013 — a period of 15.5 years

As of April 23, 2021, VAERS had also received 12,618 reports of serious adverse events. In total, 118,902 adverse event reports had been filed
In the European Union, the EudraVigilance system had as of April 17, 2021, received 330,218 injury reports after vaccination with one of the four available COVID vaccines, including 7,766 deaths.

On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 7:26:29 PM UTC+2, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> Each year, more than 165 million Americans get the flu shot. There were 85 reported deaths following influenza vaccination in 2017; 119 deaths in 2018; and 203 deaths in 2019
>
> Between mid-December 2020 and April 23, 2021, at which point between 95 million and 100 million Americans had received their COVID-19 shots, there were 3,544 reported deaths following COVID vaccination, or about 30 per day
>
> In just four months, the COVID-19 vaccines have killed more people than all available vaccines combined from mid-1997 until the end of 2013 — a period of 15.5 years
>
> As of April 23, 2021, VAERS had also received 12,618 reports of serious adverse events. In total, 118,902 adverse event reports had been filed
> In the European Union, the EudraVigilance system had as of April 17, 2021, received 330,218 injury reports after vaccination with one of the four available COVID vaccines, including 7,766 deaths.

Tom, please start doing again what you did last week and the week before that.

Lou

On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 12:12:35 PM UTC-7, lou.h...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 7:26:29 PM UTC+2, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Each year, more than 165 million Americans get the flu shot. There were 85 reported deaths following influenza vaccination in 2017; 119 deaths in 2018; and 203 deaths in 2019
> >
> > Between mid-December 2020 and April 23, 2021, at which point between 95 million and 100 million Americans had received their COVID-19 shots, there were 3,544 reported deaths following COVID vaccination, or about 30 per day
> >
> > In just four months, the COVID-19 vaccines have killed more people than all available vaccines combined from mid-1997 until the end of 2013 — a period of 15.5 years
> >
> > As of April 23, 2021, VAERS had also received 12,618 reports of serious adverse events. In total, 118,902 adverse event reports had been filed
> > In the European Union, the EudraVigilance system had as of April 17, 2021, received 330,218 injury reports after vaccination with one of the four available COVID vaccines, including 7,766 deaths.
> Tom, please start doing again what you did last week and the week before that.

Do you mean it upsets you to actually find out what is coming for you?

On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 1:22:55 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 12:12:35 PM UTC-7, lou.h...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 7:26:29 PM UTC+2, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Each year, more than 165 million Americans get the flu shot. There were 85 reported deaths following influenza vaccination in 2017; 119 deaths in 2018; and 203 deaths in 2019
> > >
> > > Between mid-December 2020 and April 23, 2021, at which point between 95 million and 100 million Americans had received their COVID-19 shots, there were 3,544 reported deaths following COVID vaccination, or about 30 per day
> > >
> > > In just four months, the COVID-19 vaccines have killed more people than all available vaccines combined from mid-1997 until the end of 2013 — a period of 15.5 years
> > >
> > > As of April 23, 2021, VAERS had also received 12,618 reports of serious adverse events. In total, 118,902 adverse event reports had been filed
> > > In the European Union, the EudraVigilance system had as of April 17, 2021, received 330,218 injury reports after vaccination with one of the four available COVID vaccines, including 7,766 deaths.
> > Tom, please start doing again what you did last week and the week before that.
> Do you mean it upsets you to actually find out what is coming for you?
You know Lou, I should add, that these vaccines don't simply kill you now. They may take a year or more to do their dirty work. They cause hardening of the arteries and clogging of the small blood vessels and can cause cerebral blood vessel disease. Run and hide because you were under the false impression that influenza is dangerous but that the vaccines would save you. The Environmentalists have been crying for decades that what is wrong with this world is people. That the population was too large. So they have worked hard to solve that problem and Fauci's vaccines are just the thing that they needed.

On Thu, 5 Aug 2021 10:26:25 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>Each year, more than 165 million Americans get the flu shot. There were 85 reported deaths following influenza vaccination in 2017; 119 deaths in 2018; and 203 deaths in 2019
>
>Between mid-December 2020 and April 23, 2021, at which point between 95 million and 100 million Americans had received their COVID-19 shots, there were 3,544 reported deaths following COVID vaccination, or about 30 per day
>
>In just four months, the COVID-19 vaccines have killed more people than all available vaccines combined from mid-1997 until the end of 2013 — a period of 15.5 years
>
>As of April 23, 2021, VAERS had also received 12,618 reports of serious adverse events. In total, 118,902 adverse event reports had been filed
>In the European Union, the EudraVigilance system had as of April 17, 2021, received 330,218 injury reports after vaccination with one of the four available COVID vaccines, including 7,766 deaths.

It is quite obvious that in using VAERS as reference Tommy simply
doesn't know what he is talking about as the VAERS site states

"When evaluating data from VAERS, it is important to note that for any
reported event, no cause-and-effect relationship has been established.
Reports of all possible associations between vaccines and adverse
events (possible side effects) are filed in VAERS. Therefore, VAERS
collects data on any adverse event following vaccination, be it
coincidental or truly caused by a vaccine. The report of an adverse
event to VAERS is not documentation that a vaccine caused the event."
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 12:26:29 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> Each year, more than 165 million Americans get the flu shot. There were 85 reported deaths following influenza vaccination in 2017; 119 deaths in 2018; and 203 deaths in 2019
>
> Between mid-December 2020 and April 23, 2021, at which point between 95 million and 100 million Americans had received their COVID-19 shots, there were 3,544 reported deaths following COVID vaccination, or about 30 per day
>
> In just four months, the COVID-19 vaccines have killed more people than all available vaccines combined from mid-1997 until the end of 2013 — a period of 15.5 years

Tom, for being as smart and genius as you claim, and rich rich rich, you seem to get a whole lot of very simple things very wrong. The Covid vaccine did not kill the 3544 people. The Covid 19 virus killed the people. Let me repeat that so there is no way you can misunderstand it.
The vaccine did not kill anyone. The virus killed people. Not the vaccine, the virus was the killer. People who received the vaccine, still got infected by the virus. No vaccine is 100.0000000000000%%%%%%%%%%%% effective in preventing a virus, disease, etc. But some of the really effective ones are 99.9999999% effective. Or something like that.

Here is an article from the CDC about the vaccines. At the very end of this page it says the following "None of the COVID-19 vaccines contain the live virus that causes COVID-19 so a COVID-19 vaccine cannot make you sick with COVID-19." Hmmm. Kind of proves you a LIAR
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/vaccine-benefits.html

https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/covid-19-vaccine-comparison
Above link is about the efficacy of the three Covid viruses used in the USA..
Pfizer - Efficacy numbers range from 95%, 91.3%, 95.3%, 84%, 97%. Take your pick.
Moderna - The one I got!!!!!!!!!! Efficacy numbers of 94.1%, 86.4%, 90%. So there is a 6 or 14 or 10 in 100 chance I could get the Covid virus and get sick. But hopefully just minor sick. Vaccine reduces the severity of sickness. Yeah. But I'm not immune. So I still use masks and social distance when out in public.
Johnson&Johnson - Efficacy of 72%, 86%. This is the one shot only vaccine. Two above are two shot vaccines.

Regarding efficacy. I am sure there was a story on the news a few months ago about a governor, Republican I am sure, who was screaming that he only wanted the most effective vaccines given in his state. I tried a Google search and could not find the article. But if someone remembers this happening and can find a link, please post it. This will relate very well to Tom's complete misunderstanding and lies about vaccine efficacy.

>
> As of April 23, 2021, VAERS had also received 12,618 reports of serious adverse events. In total, 118,902 adverse event reports had been filed
> In the European Union, the EudraVigilance system had as of April 17, 2021, received 330,218 injury reports after vaccination with one of the four available COVID vaccines, including 7,766 deaths.

On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 6:15:33 PM UTC-5, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 12:26:29 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Each year, more than 165 million Americans get the flu shot. There were 85 reported deaths following influenza vaccination in 2017; 119 deaths in 2018; and 203 deaths in 2019
> >
> > Between mid-December 2020 and April 23, 2021, at which point between 95 million and 100 million Americans had received their COVID-19 shots, there were 3,544 reported deaths following COVID vaccination, or about 30 per day
> >
> > In just four months, the COVID-19 vaccines have killed more people than all available vaccines combined from mid-1997 until the end of 2013 — a period of 15.5 years
> Tom, for being as smart and genius as you claim, and rich rich rich, you seem to get a whole lot of very simple things very wrong. The Covid vaccine did not kill the 3544 people. The Covid 19 virus killed the people. Let me repeat that so there is no way you can misunderstand it.
> The vaccine did not kill anyone. The virus killed people. Not the vaccine, the virus was the killer. People who received the vaccine, still got infected by the virus. No vaccine is 100.0000000000000%%%%%%%%%%%% effective in preventing a virus, disease, etc. But some of the really effective ones are 99.9999999% effective. Or something like that.
>
> Here is an article from the CDC about the vaccines. At the very end of this page it says the following "None of the COVID-19 vaccines contain the live virus that causes COVID-19 so a COVID-19 vaccine cannot make you sick with COVID-19." Hmmm. Kind of proves you a LIAR
> https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/vaccine-benefits.html
>
> https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/covid-19-vaccine-comparison
> Above link is about the efficacy of the three Covid viruses used in the USA.

My mistake. This line should read "Above link is about the efficacy of the three Covid VACCINES used in the USA."

> Pfizer - Efficacy numbers range from 95%, 91.3%, 95.3%, 84%, 97%. Take your pick.
> Moderna - The one I got!!!!!!!!!! Efficacy numbers of 94.1%, 86.4%, 90%. So there is a 6 or 14 or 10 in 100 chance I could get the Covid virus and get sick. But hopefully just minor sick. Vaccine reduces the severity of sickness. Yeah. But I'm not immune. So I still use masks and social distance when out in public.
> Johnson&Johnson - Efficacy of 72%, 86%. This is the one shot only vaccine.. Two above are two shot vaccines.
>
> Regarding efficacy. I am sure there was a story on the news a few months ago about a governor, Republican I am sure, who was screaming that he only wanted the most effective vaccines given in his state. I tried a Google search and could not find the article. But if someone remembers this happening and can find a link, please post it. This will relate very well to Tom's complete misunderstanding and lies about vaccine efficacy.
> >
> > As of April 23, 2021, VAERS had also received 12,618 reports of serious adverse events. In total, 118,902 adverse event reports had been filed
> > In the European Union, the EudraVigilance system had as of April 17, 2021, received 330,218 injury reports after vaccination with one of the four available COVID vaccines, including 7,766 deaths.

On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 12:26:29 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> Each year, more than 165 million Americans get the flu shot. There were 85 reported deaths following influenza vaccination in 2017; 119 deaths in 2018; and 203 deaths in 2019
>
> Between mid-December 2020 and April 23, 2021, at which point between 95 million and 100 million Americans had received their COVID-19 shots, there were 3,544 reported deaths following COVID vaccination, or about 30 per day
>
> In just four months, the COVID-19 vaccines have killed more people than all available vaccines combined from mid-1997 until the end of 2013 — a period of 15.5 years
>
> As of April 23, 2021, VAERS had also received 12,618 reports of serious adverse events. In total, 118,902 adverse event reports had been filed
> In the European Union, the EudraVigilance system had as of April 17, 2021, received 330,218 injury reports after vaccination with one of the four available COVID vaccines, including 7,766 deaths.

To Aug 5 2021 615,000 deaths from 35,400,000 infections in U.S. (1.9% chance of death if diagnosed)
To Aug 5 2021 6,000 (3,500 until April) from 348,000,000 vaccine doses in U..S. (0.001% chance of death if vaccinated)
10X more vaccine doses than infections.
Deaths 100X more from infections than vaccine doses.
Conclusion: Your odds of death are 1000X higher from infection than death.
Estimated error: double to half.
Known errors: Ratio of Actual to Detected infections and deaths are estimated at 1.3 to 1.5.
Doubled reported deaths to estimate for 3 months of missing data.

On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 4:15:33 PM UTC-7, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 12:26:29 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Each year, more than 165 million Americans get the flu shot. There were 85 reported deaths following influenza vaccination in 2017; 119 deaths in 2018; and 203 deaths in 2019
> >
> > Between mid-December 2020 and April 23, 2021, at which point between 95 million and 100 million Americans had received their COVID-19 shots, there were 3,544 reported deaths following COVID vaccination, or about 30 per day
> >
> > In just four months, the COVID-19 vaccines have killed more people than all available vaccines combined from mid-1997 until the end of 2013 — a period of 15.5 years
> Tom, for being as smart and genius as you claim, and rich rich rich, you seem to get a whole lot of very simple things very wrong. The Covid vaccine did not kill the 3544 people. The Covid 19 virus killed the people. Let me repeat that so there is no way you can misunderstand it.
> The vaccine did not kill anyone. The virus killed people. Not the vaccine, the virus was the killer. People who received the vaccine, still got infected by the virus. No vaccine is 100.0000000000000%%%%%%%%%%%% effective in preventing a virus, disease, etc. But some of the really effective ones are 99.9999999% effective. Or something like that.
>
> Here is an article from the CDC about the vaccines. At the very end of this page it says the following "None of the COVID-19 vaccines contain the live virus that causes COVID-19 so a COVID-19 vaccine cannot make you sick with COVID-19." Hmmm. Kind of proves you a LIAR
> https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/vaccine-benefits.html
>
> https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/covid-19-vaccine-comparison
> Above link is about the efficacy of the three Covid viruses used in the USA.
> Pfizer - Efficacy numbers range from 95%, 91.3%, 95.3%, 84%, 97%. Take your pick.
> Moderna - The one I got!!!!!!!!!! Efficacy numbers of 94.1%, 86.4%, 90%. So there is a 6 or 14 or 10 in 100 chance I could get the Covid virus and get sick. But hopefully just minor sick. Vaccine reduces the severity of sickness. Yeah. But I'm not immune. So I still use masks and social distance when out in public.
> Johnson&Johnson - Efficacy of 72%, 86%. This is the one shot only vaccine.. Two above are two shot vaccines.
>
> Regarding efficacy. I am sure there was a story on the news a few months ago about a governor, Republican I am sure, who was screaming that he only wanted the most effective vaccines given in his state. I tried a Google search and could not find the article. But if someone remembers this happening and can find a link, please post it. This will relate very well to Tom's complete misunderstanding and lies about vaccine efficacy.
> >
> > As of April 23, 2021, VAERS had also received 12,618 reports of serious adverse events. In total, 118,902 adverse event reports had been filed
> > In the European Union, the EudraVigilance system had as of April 17, 2021, received 330,218 injury reports after vaccination with one of the four available COVID vaccines, including 7,766 deaths.
So it is your position that covid only killed 3544 people rather than the 600,000 claimed by Fauci. Interesting.

On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 4:59:05 PM UTC-7, Mike A Schwab wrote:
> On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 12:26:29 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Each year, more than 165 million Americans get the flu shot. There were 85 reported deaths following influenza vaccination in 2017; 119 deaths in 2018; and 203 deaths in 2019
> >
> > Between mid-December 2020 and April 23, 2021, at which point between 95 million and 100 million Americans had received their COVID-19 shots, there were 3,544 reported deaths following COVID vaccination, or about 30 per day
> >
> > In just four months, the COVID-19 vaccines have killed more people than all available vaccines combined from mid-1997 until the end of 2013 — a period of 15.5 years
> >
> > As of April 23, 2021, VAERS had also received 12,618 reports of serious adverse events. In total, 118,902 adverse event reports had been filed
> > In the European Union, the EudraVigilance system had as of April 17, 2021, received 330,218 injury reports after vaccination with one of the four available COVID vaccines, including 7,766 deaths.
> To Aug 5 2021 615,000 deaths from 35,400,000 infections in U.S. (1.9% chance of death if diagnosed)
> To Aug 5 2021 6,000 (3,500 until April) from 348,000,000 vaccine doses in U.S. (0.001% chance of death if vaccinated)
> 10X more vaccine doses than infections.
> Deaths 100X more from infections than vaccine doses.
> Conclusion: Your odds of death are 1000X higher from infection than death..
> Estimated error: double to half.
> Known errors: Ratio of Actual to Detected infections and deaths are estimated at 1.3 to 1.5.
> Doubled reported deaths to estimate for 3 months of missing data.

Mike, I guess you missed my previous proofs about this. The 5 year average deaths per year is 2.8 Million. I could go into the slightest details on this but suffice it to say that they mostly die of old age having circulatory diseases (covid is a respiratory disease) which progress to the point at which they become bedridden develop pneumonia and die from that.) The symptoms of pneumonia are nearly identical to the supposed symptoms of covid.

And increase in deaths over 600,000 would mean a 21% increase in deaths. This would be PURE PROFIT for the mortuary business. So what did their profits look like?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/883227/revenue-of-funeral-homes-in-the-us/

You have been lied to big time and I realize how hard this is to handle with the entire medical establishment playing along with them. Why is that? Because the NIH was paying medical facilities $50,000 per head to report covid-19 deaths. So that is what they did. After almost being driven into bankruptcy by Obama-care they took over $30 Billion in easy money.

Here is a CDC chart that shows you what happened. The Red Line at the end represents the rapid growth in covid-19. But notice that normal total deaths did not change at all. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/04102020/nchs-data.html

I am a registered CDC researcher and I can show you stuff that would curl your hair. But the bottom line is that only about 2,000 people were killed by covid-19. This represents a NORMAL flu season. Covid-19 IS influenza.

On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 8:47:25 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 4:15:33 PM UTC-7, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 12:26:29 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Each year, more than 165 million Americans get the flu shot. There were 85 reported deaths following influenza vaccination in 2017; 119 deaths in 2018; and 203 deaths in 2019
> > >
> > > Between mid-December 2020 and April 23, 2021, at which point between 95 million and 100 million Americans had received their COVID-19 shots, there were 3,544 reported deaths following COVID vaccination, or about 30 per day
> > >
> > > In just four months, the COVID-19 vaccines have killed more people than all available vaccines combined from mid-1997 until the end of 2013 — a period of 15.5 years
> > Tom, for being as smart and genius as you claim, and rich rich rich, you seem to get a whole lot of very simple things very wrong. The Covid vaccine did not kill the 3544 people. The Covid 19 virus killed the people. Let me repeat that so there is no way you can misunderstand it.
> > The vaccine did not kill anyone. The virus killed people. Not the vaccine, the virus was the killer. People who received the vaccine, still got infected by the virus. No vaccine is 100.0000000000000%%%%%%%%%%%% effective in preventing a virus, disease, etc. But some of the really effective ones are 99.9999999% effective. Or something like that.
> >
> > Here is an article from the CDC about the vaccines. At the very end of this page it says the following "None of the COVID-19 vaccines contain the live virus that causes COVID-19 so a COVID-19 vaccine cannot make you sick with COVID-19." Hmmm. Kind of proves you a LIAR
> > https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/vaccine-benefits.html
> >
> > https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/covid-19-vaccine-comparison
> > Above link is about the efficacy of the three Covid viruses used in the USA.
> > Pfizer - Efficacy numbers range from 95%, 91.3%, 95.3%, 84%, 97%. Take your pick.
> > Moderna - The one I got!!!!!!!!!! Efficacy numbers of 94.1%, 86.4%, 90%.. So there is a 6 or 14 or 10 in 100 chance I could get the Covid virus and get sick. But hopefully just minor sick. Vaccine reduces the severity of sickness. Yeah. But I'm not immune. So I still use masks and social distance when out in public.
> > Johnson&Johnson - Efficacy of 72%, 86%. This is the one shot only vaccine. Two above are two shot vaccines.
> >
> > Regarding efficacy. I am sure there was a story on the news a few months ago about a governor, Republican I am sure, who was screaming that he only wanted the most effective vaccines given in his state. I tried a Google search and could not find the article. But if someone remembers this happening and can find a link, please post it. This will relate very well to Tom's complete misunderstanding and lies about vaccine efficacy.
> > >
> > > As of April 23, 2021, VAERS had also received 12,618 reports of serious adverse events. In total, 118,902 adverse event reports had been filed
> > > In the European Union, the EudraVigilance system had as of April 17, 2021, received 330,218 injury reports after vaccination with one of the four available COVID vaccines, including 7,766 deaths.
> So it is your position that covid only killed 3544 people rather than the 600,000 claimed by Fauci. Interesting.

Gosh almighty Tom. Do you instantly forget everything you immediately write? And don't even reread what you wrote?

If you go up a few lines in this thread or in this one post you will find the following:
> > On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 12:26:29 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Between mid-December 2020 and April 23, 2021, at which point between 95 million and 100 million Americans had received their COVID-19 shots, there were 3,544 reported deaths following COVID vaccination, or about 30 per day

This is from the very first post in this thread by YOU. YOU are the one who wrote, stated, that there were 3544 reported deaths following COVID vaccinations. I guess I am assuming you meant out of the 95-100 million people who had received a Covid vaccination, that there were still 3544 of them who died. So 100 million people got vaccinated for Covid and out of that 100 million, 3544 got Covid and died. That does not include or count the other 240 million people in the USA who did not get vaccinated. Some of those people also got Covid and died. At a much higher rate than the 3544 of 100 million. Most folks know there have been 615k people dead from Covid in the past 16 months in the USA. Over 35 million infected. And today, most of the people being infected, hospitalized, dying from Covid are the unvaccinated. There are lots of news stories on this irony every day. The ones who don't believe Covid exists and deny it, are the ones being killed. Humorous in a sick way kinda. But at the same time, there are a very small number of people who are vaccinated and still getting Covid and dying. Just very few. Which proves the vaccines have a high efficacy rate and are good and everyone should get a vaccine for Covid. This is called a "breakthrough" case.

https://apnews.com/article/science-health-coronavirus-pandemic-coronavirus-vaccine-5c8ce28d2b1ad278b83205ad254973b3

On Thu, 5 Aug 2021 19:03:08 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 4:59:05 PM UTC-7, Mike A Schwab wrote:
>> On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 12:26:29 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > Each year, more than 165 million Americans get the flu shot. There were 85 reported deaths following influenza vaccination in 2017; 119 deaths in 2018; and 203 deaths in 2019
>> >
>> > Between mid-December 2020 and April 23, 2021, at which point between 95 million and 100 million Americans had received their COVID-19 shots, there were 3,544 reported deaths following COVID vaccination, or about 30 per day
>> >
>> > In just four months, the COVID-19 vaccines have killed more people than all available vaccines combined from mid-1997 until the end of 2013 — a period of 15.5 years
>> >
>> > As of April 23, 2021, VAERS had also received 12,618 reports of serious adverse events. In total, 118,902 adverse event reports had been filed
>> > In the European Union, the EudraVigilance system had as of April 17, 2021, received 330,218 injury reports after vaccination with one of the four available COVID vaccines, including 7,766 deaths.
>> To Aug 5 2021 615,000 deaths from 35,400,000 infections in U.S. (1.9% chance of death if diagnosed)
>> To Aug 5 2021 6,000 (3,500 until April) from 348,000,000 vaccine doses in U.S. (0.001% chance of death if vaccinated)
>> 10X more vaccine doses than infections.
>> Deaths 100X more from infections than vaccine doses.
>> Conclusion: Your odds of death are 1000X higher from infection than death.
>> Estimated error: double to half.
>> Known errors: Ratio of Actual to Detected infections and deaths are estimated at 1.3 to 1.5.
>> Doubled reported deaths to estimate for 3 months of missing data.
>
>Mike, I guess you missed my previous proofs about this. The 5 year average deaths per year is 2.8 Million. I could go into the slightest details on this but suffice it to say that they mostly die of old age having circulatory diseases (covid is a respiratory disease) which progress to the point at which they become bedridden develop pneumonia and die from that.) The symptoms of pneumonia are nearly identical to the supposed symptoms of covid.
>
>And increase in deaths over 600,000 would mean a 21% increase in deaths. This would be PURE PROFIT for the mortuary business. So what did their profits look like?
>
>https://www.statista.com/statistics/883227/revenue-of-funeral-homes-in-the-us/
>
>You have been lied to big time and I realize how hard this is to handle with the entire medical establishment playing along with them. Why is that? Because the NIH was paying medical facilities $50,000 per head to report covid-19 deaths. So that is what they did. After almost being driven into bankruptcy by Obama-care they took over $30 Billion in easy money.
>
>Here is a CDC chart that shows you what happened. The Red Line at the end represents the rapid growth in covid-19. But notice that normal total deaths did not change at all. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/04102020/nchs-data.html
>
>I am a registered CDC researcher and I can show you stuff that would curl your hair. But the bottom line is that only about 2,000 people were killed by covid-19. This represents a NORMAL flu season. Covid-19 IS influenza.

A "registered CDC researcher"???

Tell us Tommy, how does one become a "Registered CDC Researcher"?

I ask as a casual review of CDC requirements seems to show that
"Approval process:
The approval process for research requests for access to confidential
data is specific to each state cancer registry. The approval process
may require cancer registry, institutional review board (IRB) and/or
regulatory group approvals."

California is listed as requiring 4 different approvals.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 8/5/2021 10:03 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> I am a registered CDC researcher ...

HAH!

Can this "registered CDC researcher" please explain how the evil Dr.
Fauci caused countries all around the world to simultaneously falsify
records regarding infections, hospitalizations and deaths?

Can this "researcher" explain why Tokyo is taking a huge financial hit
by tremendously restricting attendance at the Olympics?

Why are so many countries restricting tourist activities, their economic
lifeblood? Why are jurisdictions once again considering restrictions on
mass socializing, knowing the economic hit this entails?

Why are they going to such great expense to vaccinate their populations?

Is this expensive worldwide conspiracy in any way related to the other
one - the one that says the earth is not actually flat?

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 8/5/2021 10:26 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> Each year, more than 165 million Americans get the flu shot. There were 85 reported deaths following influenza vaccination in 2017; 119 deaths in 2018; and 203 deaths in 2019

And flu shots have prevented 10's of thousands of deaths from flu each year.

>
> Between mid-December 2020 and April 23, 2021, at which point between 95 million and 100 million Americans had received their COVID-19 shots, there were 3,544 reported deaths following COVID vaccination, or about 30 per day
>
> In just four months, the COVID-19 vaccines have killed more people than all available vaccines combined from mid-1997 until the end of 2013 — a period of 15.5 years
>
> As of April 23, 2021, VAERS had also received 12,618 reports of serious adverse events. In total, 118,902 adverse event reports had been filed
> In the European Union, the EudraVigilance system had as of April 17, 2021, received 330,218 injury reports after vaccination with one of the four available COVID vaccines, including 7,766 deaths.
>

Show us the proof that the vaccine actually caused those deaths. Out of
155,000,000 people, someone is bound to die soon.

Those same shots have saved 100-200,000 deaths from covid, and
vaccinations could have saved most of the deaths in the red states
occurring today. Less than 10 days will exceed your 3544 supposed
"vaccine deaths". Virtually every death from covid is now an
un-vaccinated person. The vaccine is clearly saving huge numbers of lives.

And then there are all the "long covid" disabilities the shots are
preventing.

If everyone had gotten vaccinated, we could be nearly done with this
epidemic. But no, people like you have to protect their freedom to
spread disease.

On 8/5/2021 1:29 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 1:22:55 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 12:12:35 PM UTC-7, lou.h...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 7:26:29 PM UTC+2, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Each year, more than 165 million Americans get the flu shot. There were 85 reported deaths following influenza vaccination in 2017; 119 deaths in 2018; and 203 deaths in 2019
>>>>
>>>> Between mid-December 2020 and April 23, 2021, at which point between 95 million and 100 million Americans had received their COVID-19 shots, there were 3,544 reported deaths following COVID vaccination, or about 30 per day
>>>>
>>>> In just four months, the COVID-19 vaccines have killed more people than all available vaccines combined from mid-1997 until the end of 2013 — a period of 15.5 years
>>>>
>>>> As of April 23, 2021, VAERS had also received 12,618 reports of serious adverse events. In total, 118,902 adverse event reports had been filed
>>>> In the European Union, the EudraVigilance system had as of April 17, 2021, received 330,218 injury reports after vaccination with one of the four available COVID vaccines, including 7,766 deaths.
>>> Tom, please start doing again what you did last week and the week before that.
>> Do you mean it upsets you to actually find out what is coming for you?
> You know Lou, I should add, that these vaccines don't simply kill you now. They may take a year or more to do their dirty work. They cause hardening of the arteries and clogging of the small blood vessels and can cause cerebral blood vessel disease. Run and hide because you were under the false impression that influenza is dangerous but that the vaccines would save you. The Environmentalists have been crying for decades that what is wrong with this world is people. That the population was too large. So they have worked hard to solve that problem and Fauci's vaccines are just the thing that they needed.
>

WOW! what a pile of crap!

On 8/5/2021 7:03 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:

> I am a registered CDC researcher and I can show you stuff that would curl your hair. But the bottom line is that only about 2,000 people were killed by covid-19. This represents a NORMAL flu season. Covid-19 IS influenza.
>

Registering in QANON doesn't count for much.

On Friday, August 6, 2021 at 12:10:46 PM UTC-5, Bob F wrote:
> On 8/5/2021 10:26 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > Each year, more than 165 million Americans get the flu shot. There were 85 reported deaths following influenza vaccination in 2017; 119 deaths in 2018; and 203 deaths in 2019
> And flu shots have prevented 10's of thousands of deaths from flu each year.
> >
> > Between mid-December 2020 and April 23, 2021, at which point between 95 million and 100 million Americans had received their COVID-19 shots, there were 3,544 reported deaths following COVID vaccination, or about 30 per day
> >
> > In just four months, the COVID-19 vaccines have killed more people than all available vaccines combined from mid-1997 until the end of 2013 — a period of 15.5 years
> >
> > As of April 23, 2021, VAERS had also received 12,618 reports of serious adverse events. In total, 118,902 adverse event reports had been filed
> > In the European Union, the EudraVigilance system had as of April 17, 2021, received 330,218 injury reports after vaccination with one of the four available COVID vaccines, including 7,766 deaths.
> >
> Show us the proof that the vaccine actually caused those deaths. Out of
> 155,000,000 people, someone is bound to die soon.
>
> Those same shots have saved 100-200,000 deaths from covid, and
> vaccinations could have saved most of the deaths in the red states
> occurring today. Less than 10 days will exceed your 3544 supposed
> "vaccine deaths". Virtually every death from covid is now an
> un-vaccinated person. The vaccine is clearly saving huge numbers of lives..
>
> And then there are all the "long covid" disabilities the shots are
> preventing.
>
> If everyone had gotten vaccinated, we could be nearly done with this
> epidemic. But no, people like you have to protect their freedom to
> spread disease.

Well.......to give Tom a little credit. Ha Ha. I am positive in a prior posting on this forum, he said he did get vaccinated. I'll have to rely on someone else finding the posting where he says he received the vaccination shots. So like many of the Republican elites, Ha Ha, he himself did get vaccinated while at the same time saying the vaccination is not needed and discouraging everyone else from getting vaccinated. Seems odd to me to do something and then speak out against it. What is that called, Hypocrisy?

But yes, as PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA Joe Biden said, it has become the virus of the unvaccinated.
https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-health-government-and-politics-pandemics-coronavirus-pandemic-8318e3f406278f3ebf09871128cc91de
“Look, the only pandemic we have is among the unvaccinated,” Biden said Friday, echoing comments made earlier in the day by Dr. Rochelle Walensky, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

On Fri, 6 Aug 2021 10:39:43 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 8/5/2021 10:03 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>
>> I am a registered CDC researcher ...
>
>HAH!
>
>Can this "registered CDC researcher" please explain how the evil Dr.
>Fauci caused countries all around the world to simultaneously falsify
>records regarding infections, hospitalizations and deaths?
>
>Can this "researcher" explain why Tokyo is taking a huge financial hit
>by tremendously restricting attendance at the Olympics?
>
>Why are so many countries restricting tourist activities, their economic
>lifeblood? Why are jurisdictions once again considering restrictions on
>mass socializing, knowing the economic hit this entails?
>
>Why are they going to such great expense to vaccinate their populations?
>
>Is this expensive worldwide conspiracy in any way related to the other
>one - the one that says the earth is not actually flat?

Come on Frank! Don't you realize that it is a great international
conspiracy which was and is carried out by the Green Men from Mars?
And, it is not a secret either as it was exposed by Edgar Rice
Burroughs over a hundred years ago.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 8/6/2021 12:10 PM, Bob F wrote:
> On 8/5/2021 10:26 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> Each year, more than 165 million Americans get the flu
>> shot. There were 85 reported deaths following influenza
>> vaccination in 2017; 119 deaths in 2018; and 203 deaths in
>> 2019
>
> And flu shots have prevented 10's of thousands of deaths
> from flu each year.
>
>>
>> Between mid-December 2020 and April 23, 2021, at which
>> point between 95 million and 100 million Americans had
>> received their COVID-19 shots, there were 3,544 reported
>> deaths following COVID vaccination, or about 30 per day
>>
>> In just four months, the COVID-19 vaccines have killed
>> more people than all available vaccines combined from
>> mid-1997 until the end of 2013 — a period of 15.5 years
>>
>> As of April 23, 2021, VAERS had also received 12,618
>> reports of serious adverse events. In total, 118,902
>> adverse event reports had been filed
>> In the European Union, the EudraVigilance system had as of
>> April 17, 2021, received 330,218 injury reports after
>> vaccination with one of the four available COVID vaccines,
>> including 7,766 deaths.
>>
>
> Show us the proof that the vaccine actually caused those
> deaths. Out of 155,000,000 people, someone is bound to die
> soon.
>
> Those same shots have saved 100-200,000 deaths from covid,
> and vaccinations could have saved most of the deaths in the
> red states occurring today. Less than 10 days will exceed
> your 3544 supposed "vaccine deaths". Virtually every death
> from covid is now an un-vaccinated person. The vaccine is
> clearly saving huge numbers of lives.
>
> And then there are all the "long covid" disabilities the
> shots are preventing.
>
> If everyone had gotten vaccinated, we could be nearly done
> with this epidemic. But no, people like you have to protect
> their freedom to spread disease.
>

Typical racist attitude.

33% of NYC residents who are black are vaccinated. In Bronx
it's just 30%. Under the current NYC regime, the
unvaccinated can't work, shop, eat out or much else. How
does that help[1]?

back to you for further comment.

[1] various courts and agencies have held that disparate
results, regardless of intent, are sufficient to overturn
laws, regulations or official policies which have de facto
racist outcomes. I'll wait to see how this plays out.
--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Fri, 06 Aug 2021 20:19:34 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 8/6/2021 12:10 PM, Bob F wrote:
>> On 8/5/2021 10:26 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> Each year, more than 165 million Americans get the flu
>>> shot. There were 85 reported deaths following influenza
>>> vaccination in 2017; 119 deaths in 2018; and 203 deaths in
>>> 2019
>>
>> And flu shots have prevented 10's of thousands of deaths
>> from flu each year.
>>
>>>
>>> Between mid-December 2020 and April 23, 2021, at which
>>> point between 95 million and 100 million Americans had
>>> received their COVID-19 shots, there were 3,544 reported
>>> deaths following COVID vaccination, or about 30 per day
>>>
>>> In just four months, the COVID-19 vaccines have killed
>>> more people than all available vaccines combined from
>>> mid-1997 until the end of 2013 — a period of 15.5 years
>>>
>>> As of April 23, 2021, VAERS had also received 12,618
>>> reports of serious adverse events. In total, 118,902
>>> adverse event reports had been filed
>>> In the European Union, the EudraVigilance system had as of
>>> April 17, 2021, received 330,218 injury reports after
>>> vaccination with one of the four available COVID vaccines,
>>> including 7,766 deaths.
>>>
>>
>> Show us the proof that the vaccine actually caused those
>> deaths. Out of 155,000,000 people, someone is bound to die
>> soon.
>>
>> Those same shots have saved 100-200,000 deaths from covid,
>> and vaccinations could have saved most of the deaths in the
>> red states occurring today. Less than 10 days will exceed
>> your 3544 supposed "vaccine deaths". Virtually every death
>> from covid is now an un-vaccinated person. The vaccine is
>> clearly saving huge numbers of lives.
>>
>> And then there are all the "long covid" disabilities the
>> shots are preventing.
>>
>> If everyone had gotten vaccinated, we could be nearly done
>> with this epidemic. But no, people like you have to protect
>> their freedom to spread disease.
>>
>
>Typical racist attitude.
>
>33% of NYC residents who are black are vaccinated. In Bronx
>it's just 30%. Under the current NYC regime, the
>unvaccinated can't work, shop, eat out or much else. How
>does that help[1]?
>
>back to you for further comment.
>
>[1] various courts and agencies have held that disparate
>results, regardless of intent, are sufficient to overturn
>laws, regulations or official policies which have de facto
>racist outcomes. I'll wait to see how this plays out.

So, what is the solution? Do not require inoculation and just let the
disease run it's course?
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 8/6/2021 9:56 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Aug 2021 20:19:34 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 8/6/2021 12:10 PM, Bob F wrote:
>>> On 8/5/2021 10:26 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>> Each year, more than 165 million Americans get the flu
>>>> shot. There were 85 reported deaths following influenza
>>>> vaccination in 2017; 119 deaths in 2018; and 203 deaths in
>>>> 2019
>>>
>>> And flu shots have prevented 10's of thousands of deaths
>>> from flu each year.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Between mid-December 2020 and April 23, 2021, at which
>>>> point between 95 million and 100 million Americans had
>>>> received their COVID-19 shots, there were 3,544 reported
>>>> deaths following COVID vaccination, or about 30 per day
>>>>
>>>> In just four months, the COVID-19 vaccines have killed
>>>> more people than all available vaccines combined from
>>>> mid-1997 until the end of 2013 — a period of 15.5 years
>>>>
>>>> As of April 23, 2021, VAERS had also received 12,618
>>>> reports of serious adverse events. In total, 118,902
>>>> adverse event reports had been filed
>>>> In the European Union, the EudraVigilance system had as of
>>>> April 17, 2021, received 330,218 injury reports after
>>>> vaccination with one of the four available COVID vaccines,
>>>> including 7,766 deaths.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Show us the proof that the vaccine actually caused those
>>> deaths. Out of 155,000,000 people, someone is bound to die
>>> soon.
>>>
>>> Those same shots have saved 100-200,000 deaths from covid,
>>> and vaccinations could have saved most of the deaths in the
>>> red states occurring today. Less than 10 days will exceed
>>> your 3544 supposed "vaccine deaths". Virtually every death
>>> from covid is now an un-vaccinated person. The vaccine is
>>> clearly saving huge numbers of lives.
>>>
>>> And then there are all the "long covid" disabilities the
>>> shots are preventing.
>>>
>>> If everyone had gotten vaccinated, we could be nearly done
>>> with this epidemic. But no, people like you have to protect
>>> their freedom to spread disease.
>>>
>>
>> Typical racist attitude.
>>
>> 33% of NYC residents who are black are vaccinated. In Bronx
>> it's just 30%. Under the current NYC regime, the
>> unvaccinated can't work, shop, eat out or much else. How
>> does that help[1]?
>>
>> back to you for further comment.
>>
>> [1] various courts and agencies have held that disparate
>> results, regardless of intent, are sufficient to overturn
>> laws, regulations or official policies which have de facto
>> racist outcomes. I'll wait to see how this plays out.
>
> So, what is the solution? Do not require inoculation and just let the
> disease run it's course?
>

The urge to appear as if "doing something" can lead to a lot
of suffering without benefit. See also Australia.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 7:38:54 PM UTC-7, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 8:47:25 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 4:15:33 PM UTC-7, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 12:26:29 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > Each year, more than 165 million Americans get the flu shot. There were 85 reported deaths following influenza vaccination in 2017; 119 deaths in 2018; and 203 deaths in 2019
> > > >
> > > > Between mid-December 2020 and April 23, 2021, at which point between 95 million and 100 million Americans had received their COVID-19 shots, there were 3,544 reported deaths following COVID vaccination, or about 30 per day
> > > >
> > > > In just four months, the COVID-19 vaccines have killed more people than all available vaccines combined from mid-1997 until the end of 2013 — a period of 15.5 years
> > > Tom, for being as smart and genius as you claim, and rich rich rich, you seem to get a whole lot of very simple things very wrong. The Covid vaccine did not kill the 3544 people. The Covid 19 virus killed the people. Let me repeat that so there is no way you can misunderstand it.
> > > The vaccine did not kill anyone. The virus killed people. Not the vaccine, the virus was the killer. People who received the vaccine, still got infected by the virus. No vaccine is 100.0000000000000%%%%%%%%%%%% effective in preventing a virus, disease, etc. But some of the really effective ones are 99.9999999% effective. Or something like that.
> > >
> > > Here is an article from the CDC about the vaccines. At the very end of this page it says the following "None of the COVID-19 vaccines contain the live virus that causes COVID-19 so a COVID-19 vaccine cannot make you sick with COVID-19." Hmmm. Kind of proves you a LIAR
> > > https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/vaccine-benefits.html
> > >
> > > https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/covid-19-vaccine-comparison
> > > Above link is about the efficacy of the three Covid viruses used in the USA.
> > > Pfizer - Efficacy numbers range from 95%, 91.3%, 95.3%, 84%, 97%. Take your pick.
> > > Moderna - The one I got!!!!!!!!!! Efficacy numbers of 94.1%, 86.4%, 90%. So there is a 6 or 14 or 10 in 100 chance I could get the Covid virus and get sick. But hopefully just minor sick. Vaccine reduces the severity of sickness. Yeah. But I'm not immune. So I still use masks and social distance when out in public.
> > > Johnson&Johnson - Efficacy of 72%, 86%. This is the one shot only vaccine. Two above are two shot vaccines.
> > >
> > > Regarding efficacy. I am sure there was a story on the news a few months ago about a governor, Republican I am sure, who was screaming that he only wanted the most effective vaccines given in his state. I tried a Google search and could not find the article. But if someone remembers this happening and can find a link, please post it. This will relate very well to Tom's complete misunderstanding and lies about vaccine efficacy.
> > > >
> > > > As of April 23, 2021, VAERS had also received 12,618 reports of serious adverse events. In total, 118,902 adverse event reports had been filed
> > > > In the European Union, the EudraVigilance system had as of April 17, 2021, received 330,218 injury reports after vaccination with one of the four available COVID vaccines, including 7,766 deaths.
> > So it is your position that covid only killed 3544 people rather than the 600,000 claimed by Fauci. Interesting.
> Gosh almighty Tom. Do you instantly forget everything you immediately write? And don't even reread what you wrote?
>
> If you go up a few lines in this thread or in this one post you will find the following:
> > > On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 12:26:29 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > Between mid-December 2020 and April 23, 2021, at which point between 95 million and 100 million Americans had received their COVID-19 shots, there were 3,544 reported deaths following COVID vaccination, or about 30 per day
> This is from the very first post in this thread by YOU. YOU are the one who wrote, stated, that there were 3544 reported deaths following COVID vaccinations. I guess I am assuming you meant out of the 95-100 million people who had received a Covid vaccination, that there were still 3544 of them who died. So 100 million people got vaccinated for Covid and out of that 100 million, 3544 got Covid and died. That does not include or count the other 240 million people in the USA who did not get vaccinated. Some of those people also got Covid and died. At a much higher rate than the 3544 of 100 million. Most folks know there have been 615k people dead from Covid in the past 16 months in the USA. Over 35 million infected. And today, most of the people being infected, hospitalized, dying from Covid are the unvaccinated. There are lots of news stories on this irony every day. The ones who don't believe Covid exists and deny it, are the ones being killed. Humorous in a sick way kinda. But at the same time, there are a very small number of people who are vaccinated and still getting Covid and dying. Just very few. Which proves the vaccines have a high efficacy rate and are good and everyone should get a vaccine for Covid. This is called a "breakthrough" case.
>
> https://apnews.com/article/science-health-coronavirus-pandemic-coronavirus-vaccine-5c8ce28d2b1ad278b83205ad254973b3
I see like ALL Democrats you don't mind being played like a fiddle as long as it is towards the end of you losing your Constitutional rights. But i'm sure that you can believe anything you like.

On Friday, August 6, 2021 at 10:10:46 AM UTC-7, Bob F wrote:
> On 8/5/2021 10:26 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > Each year, more than 165 million Americans get the flu shot. There were 85 reported deaths following influenza vaccination in 2017; 119 deaths in 2018; and 203 deaths in 2019
> And flu shots have prevented 10's of thousands of deaths from flu each year.
> >
> > Between mid-December 2020 and April 23, 2021, at which point between 95 million and 100 million Americans had received their COVID-19 shots, there were 3,544 reported deaths following COVID vaccination, or about 30 per day
> >
> > In just four months, the COVID-19 vaccines have killed more people than all available vaccines combined from mid-1997 until the end of 2013 — a period of 15.5 years
> >
> > As of April 23, 2021, VAERS had also received 12,618 reports of serious adverse events. In total, 118,902 adverse event reports had been filed
> > In the European Union, the EudraVigilance system had as of April 17, 2021, received 330,218 injury reports after vaccination with one of the four available COVID vaccines, including 7,766 deaths.
> >
> Show us the proof that the vaccine actually caused those deaths. Out of
> 155,000,000 people, someone is bound to die soon.
>
> Those same shots have saved 100-200,000 deaths from covid, and
> vaccinations could have saved most of the deaths in the red states
> occurring today. Less than 10 days will exceed your 3544 supposed
> "vaccine deaths". Virtually every death from covid is now an
> un-vaccinated person. The vaccine is clearly saving huge numbers of lives..
>
> And then there are all the "long covid" disabilities the shots are
> preventing.
>
> If everyone had gotten vaccinated, we could be nearly done with this
> epidemic. But no, people like you have to protect their freedom to
> spread disease.

On Friday, August 6, 2021 at 10:10:46 AM UTC-7, Bob F wrote:
> On 8/5/2021 10:26 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > Each year, more than 165 million Americans get the flu shot. There were 85 reported deaths following influenza vaccination in 2017; 119 deaths in 2018; and 203 deaths in 2019
> And flu shots have prevented 10's of thousands of deaths from flu each year.
> >
> > Between mid-December 2020 and April 23, 2021, at which point between 95 million and 100 million Americans had received their COVID-19 shots, there were 3,544 reported deaths following COVID vaccination, or about 30 per day
> >
> > In just four months, the COVID-19 vaccines have killed more people than all available vaccines combined from mid-1997 until the end of 2013 — a period of 15.5 years
> >
> > As of April 23, 2021, VAERS had also received 12,618 reports of serious adverse events. In total, 118,902 adverse event reports had been filed
> > In the European Union, the EudraVigilance system had as of April 17, 2021, received 330,218 injury reports after vaccination with one of the four available COVID vaccines, including 7,766 deaths.
> >
> Show us the proof that the vaccine actually caused those deaths. Out of
> 155,000,000 people, someone is bound to die soon.
>
> Those same shots have saved 100-200,000 deaths from covid, and
> vaccinations could have saved most of the deaths in the red states
> occurring today. Less than 10 days will exceed your 3544 supposed
> "vaccine deaths". Virtually every death from covid is now an
> un-vaccinated person. The vaccine is clearly saving huge numbers of lives..
>
> And then there are all the "long covid" disabilities the shots are
> preventing.
>
> If everyone had gotten vaccinated, we could be nearly done with this
> epidemic. But no, people like you have to protect their freedom to
> spread disease.
Bob, we BELIEVE that lives are saved from flu vaccines. This is based almost entirely on the 1918 flu that wiped out hundreds of thousands of people world wide.

Don't be misled by people like Frank who believes that I am saying that this is a world wide hoax of some sort. In Italy the huge number of deaths were almost entirely contained in retirement homes as it was in New York. And Northeast Italy where most of the deaths were has the oldest population in Italy So of course covid-19 is real. The question is 'how real'. And the answer to that is 'it is an influenza'. Are you willing to give up your Constitutional rights to a tyrannical government for fear that you might catch the flu? We had 50 years after the Swine Flu epidemic of 1918 without vaccinations and we never again had any other large numbers of deaths.

So why do you believe that vaccinations have saved millions of lives?

On Friday, August 6, 2021 at 10:14:12 AM UTC-7, Bob F wrote:
> On 8/5/2021 7:03 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> > I am a registered CDC researcher and I can show you stuff that would curl your hair. But the bottom line is that only about 2,000 people were killed by covid-19. This represents a NORMAL flu season. Covid-19 IS influenza.
> >
> Registering in QANON doesn't count for much.
That is correct but I have an easier time negotiating the complexities of the CDC network. After the CDC claims that over 600,000 people died in 2020 and I showed you that the mortuary business lost money you do not want to believe that the covid-19 myth is just that? Something dangerous to people nearing the end of their lives an little others. I have shown with the CDC's own statistical analysis page that only some 2,000 people died from covid but you want to believe this a dangerous disease? You might be willing to throw away your own liberties but I am not. And if you try to take my liberties away it won't turn out to be good for you.