I was looking at the Garmin information page that show what I have done just on THAT Garmin 810 over the last 12 months and i was sort of surprised to see that I have ridden 4,700 miles, climbed 248,000 feet and burned over 300,000 KCalories.

My average speed simply doesn't change more than a tenth of a mile per hour but I don't know how they calculate it. For instance, today I went out and purposely took a route in which there was almost no stop lights. I left fairly early since I needed to be back what with people suddenly trying to buy things from me.

I went on a 22 miles course and rode almost the entire way over 14 mph and a large part of it over 18 mph. I did this with almost no warm-up so that there was no slow preamble. And yet I still got a 12.3 mph average speed.

Presently I'm dropping people on the flats like today's course pretty commonly. It isn't clear if I'm getting faster or if newbies are showing up on the roads. It doesn't help me understanding any of this if average speed never changes.

And this mileage is only that on my 810. I did quite a bit of riding on the 800. Though perhaps Garmin is maintaining these records on their own server and it all counts as one file.

I can say that I'm definitely getting faster even though I'm getting closer to my max FTP. FTP is only measured over a 20 minute period and if I am continuing on after that, I blow up somewhat. Getting back from the ride today over the last 4 miles I did not have much in the way of steam.

On Tuesday, August 10, 2021 at 11:08:35 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> I was looking at the Garmin information page that show what I have done just on THAT Garmin 810 over the last 12 months and i was sort of surprised to see that I have ridden 4,700 miles, climbed 248,000 feet and burned over 300,000 KCalories.
>
> My average speed simply doesn't change more than a tenth of a mile per hour but I don't know how they calculate it. For instance, today I went out and purposely took a route in which there was almost no stop lights. I left fairly early since I needed to be back what with people suddenly trying to buy things from me.
>
> I went on a 22 miles course and rode almost the entire way over 14 mph and a large part of it over 18 mph. I did this with almost no warm-up so that there was no slow preamble. And yet I still got a 12.3 mph average speed.
>
> Presently I'm dropping people on the flats like today's course pretty commonly. It isn't clear if I'm getting faster or if newbies are showing up on the roads. It doesn't help me understanding any of this if average speed never changes.
>
> And this mileage is only that on my 810. I did quite a bit of riding on the 800. Though perhaps Garmin is maintaining these records on their own server and it all counts as one file.
>
> I can say that I'm definitely getting faster even though I'm getting closer to my max FTP. FTP is only measured over a 20 minute period and if I am continuing on after that, I blow up somewhat. Getting back from the ride today over the last 4 miles I did not have much in the way of steam.
Well, yesterday the charge on the 820 failed for some reason and I used the 800, That looks like a better unit though perhaps the 830 corrected the errors on the 820. The 800 gave me average cadence and top cadence. Average climb and highest gradient which wasn't much since I took an easy ride yesterday without hard climbing after Sunday's ride that has left my legs still sore.

Can you imagine that one of my craigslist contacts for a bike I'm trying to sell was an insurance salesman trying to sell me car insurance? I've put on less than 300 miles on the car in the last 3 months.

Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 10, 2021 at 11:08:35 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> I was looking at the Garmin information page that show what I have done
>> just on THAT Garmin 810 over the last 12 months and i was sort of
>> surprised to see that I have ridden 4,700 miles, climbed 248,000 feet
>> and burned over 300,000 KCalories.
>>
>> My average speed simply doesn't change more than a tenth of a mile per
>> hour but I don't know how they calculate it. For instance, today I went
>> out and purposely took a route in which there was almost no stop lights.
>> I left fairly early since I needed to be back what with people suddenly
>> trying to buy things from me.
>>
>> I went on a 22 miles course and rode almost the entire way over 14 mph
>> and a large part of it over 18 mph. I did this with almost no warm-up so
>> that there was no slow preamble. And yet I still got a 12.3 mph average speed.
>>
>> Presently I'm dropping people on the flats like today's course pretty
>> commonly. It isn't clear if I'm getting faster or if newbies are showing
>> up on the roads. It doesn't help me understanding any of this if average
>> speed never changes.
>>
>> And this mileage is only that on my 810. I did quite a bit of riding on
>> the 800. Though perhaps Garmin is maintaining these records on their own
>> server and it all counts as one file.
>>
>> I can say that I'm definitely getting faster even though I'm getting
>> closer to my max FTP. FTP is only measured over a 20 minute period and
>> if I am continuing on after that, I blow up somewhat. Getting back from
>> the ride today over the last 4 miles I did not have much in the way of steam.
> Well, yesterday the charge on the 820 failed for some reason and I used
> the 800, That looks like a better unit though perhaps the 830 corrected
> the errors on the 820. The 800 gave me average cadence and top cadence.
> Average climb and highest gradient which wasn't much since I took an easy
> ride yesterday without hard climbing after Sunday's ride that has left my legs still sore.
>

830/530 are Garmin’s next generation so new chipset, as previous some could
be a bit underpowered, and get crashes etc.

> Can you imagine that one of my craigslist contacts for a bike I'm trying
> to sell was an insurance salesman trying to sell me car insurance? I've
> put on less than 300 miles on the car in the last 3 months.
>
Roger Merriman.

On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 1:28:12 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
>
> 830/530 are Garmin’s next generation so new chipset, as previous some could
> be a bit underpowered, and get crashes etc.

I looked the 830 manual up on line and I think that the main difference was that it would talk to your smart phone to an app as well as to power meters. The 800 records all sorts of data that the 820 doesn't even allow you to find out about such as cadence average and maximum I certainly don't understand that. I just spent 10 minutes going through all of the menu items on the 820 and there's nothing I can find to give me cadence

On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 11:37:10 PM UTC+2, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 1:28:12 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
> >
> > 830/530 are Garmin’s next generation so new chipset, as previous some could
> > be a bit underpowered, and get crashes etc.
> I looked the 830 manual up on line and I think that the main difference was that it would talk to your smart phone to an app as well as to power meters. The 800 records all sorts of data that the 820 doesn't even allow you to find out about such as cadence average and maximum I certainly don't understand that. I just spent 10 minutes going through all of the menu items on the 820 and there's nothing I can find to give me cadence

Tom there is something fundamentally wrong with your Gramin units or your understanding how to operate the units or both. The Garmin Edge 820 certainly can give you all the cadence metrics you want.

Lou

On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 7:31:24 AM UTC-7, lou.h...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 11:37:10 PM UTC+2, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 1:28:12 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
> > >
> > > 830/530 are Garmin’s next generation so new chipset, as previous some could
> > > be a bit underpowered, and get crashes etc.
> > I looked the 830 manual up on line and I think that the main difference was that it would talk to your smart phone to an app as well as to power meters. The 800 records all sorts of data that the 820 doesn't even allow you to find out about such as cadence average and maximum I certainly don't understand that. I just spent 10 minutes going through all of the menu items on the 820 and there's nothing I can find to give me cadence
> Tom there is something fundamentally wrong with your Gramin units or your understanding how to operate the units or both. The Garmin Edge 820 certainly can give you all the cadence metrics you want.

Lou, I've gone through all of the settings many times and cannot find anything pertaining to cadence. Also the meter never asked to connect to my pickups and I think that the only way it measures speed and distance is via GPS and not the pickups.

If you have a way of finding cadence on the 820 settings perhaps you could inform me. I am completely open to learning my mistakes.

On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 08:59:41 -0700 (PDT),
Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 7:31:24 AM UTC-7, lou.h...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 11:37:10 PM UTC+2, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 1:28:12 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 830/530 are Garmin???s next generation so new chipset, as
> > > > previous some could be a bit underpowered, and get crashes
> > > > etc.
> > > I looked the 830 manual up on line and I think that the main
> > > difference was that it would talk to your smart phone to an
> > > app as well as to power meters. The 800 records all sorts of
> > > data that the 820 doesn't even allow you to find out about
> > > such as cadence average and maximum I certainly don't
> > > understand that. I just spent 10 minutes going through all
> > > of the menu items on the 820 and there's nothing I can find
> > > to give me cadence
> > Tom there is something fundamentally wrong with your Gramin
> > units or your understanding how to operate the units or both.
> > The Garmin Edge 820 certainly can give you all the cadence
> > metrics you want.
>
> Lou, I've gone through all of the settings many times and
> cannot find anything pertaining to cadence. Also the meter
> never asked to connect to my pickups and I think that the only
> way it measures speed and distance is via GPS and not the
> pickups.
>
> If you have a way of finding cadence on the 820 settings
> perhaps you could inform me. I am completely open to learning
> my mistakes.

Sorry if you already said this and I missed it, but is the cadence
sensor paired with the Garmin unit? If not, you will not get any
stats. Presumably you are seeing cadence while you ride, so it
would be paired in that cas--and I have no help to offer.

--
Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA

On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 9:11:02 AM UTC-7, Ted Heise wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 08:59:41 -0700 (PDT),
> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 7:31:24 AM UTC-7, lou.h...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 11:37:10 PM UTC+2, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 1:28:12 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 830/530 are Garmin???s next generation so new chipset, as
> > > > > previous some could be a bit underpowered, and get crashes
> > > > > etc.
> > > > I looked the 830 manual up on line and I think that the main
> > > > difference was that it would talk to your smart phone to an
> > > > app as well as to power meters. The 800 records all sorts of
> > > > data that the 820 doesn't even allow you to find out about
> > > > such as cadence average and maximum I certainly don't
> > > > understand that. I just spent 10 minutes going through all
> > > > of the menu items on the 820 and there's nothing I can find
> > > > to give me cadence
> > > Tom there is something fundamentally wrong with your Gramin
> > > units or your understanding how to operate the units or both.
> > > The Garmin Edge 820 certainly can give you all the cadence
> > > metrics you want.
> >
> > Lou, I've gone through all of the settings many times and
> > cannot find anything pertaining to cadence. Also the meter
> > never asked to connect to my pickups and I think that the only
> > way it measures speed and distance is via GPS and not the
> > pickups.
> >
> > If you have a way of finding cadence on the 820 settings
> > perhaps you could inform me. I am completely open to learning
> > my mistakes.
> Sorry if you already said this and I missed it, but is the cadence
> sensor paired with the Garmin unit? If not, you will not get any
> stats. Presumably you are seeing cadence while you ride, so it
> would be paired in that cas--and I have no help to offer.

Ted, when I initially started the 800 it asked if it should pair with the cadence and speed sensors. The 820 may have done that on the original startup but I can't remember. I cannot find a means to check if it is paired with the latest sensor. But it gets slightly different distances for the same ride so I assume it is not using the speed sensor. Perhaps there is a way to reset the thing? But I cannot find a screen to add cadence to the display anyway. On the other hand the 800 had no trouble. They both have the latest software so I was assuming that the 820 did this all automatically. However - still no cadence display on the final printout like the 800 does.

On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 09:19:42 -0700 (PDT),
Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 9:11:02 AM UTC-7, Ted Heise wrote:
> > On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 08:59:41 -0700 (PDT),
> > Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 7:31:24 AM UTC-7, lou.h...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 11:37:10 PM UTC+2, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:

> > > > > I looked the 830 manual up on line and I think that the
> > > > > main difference was that it would talk to your smart
> > > > > phone to an app as well as to power meters. The 800
> > > > > records all sorts of data that the 820 doesn't even
> > > > > allow you to find out about such as cadence average and
> > > > > maximum I certainly don't understand that. I just spent
> > > > > 10 minutes going through all of the menu items on the
> > > > > 820 and there's nothing I can find to give me cadence
> > > > Tom there is something fundamentally wrong with your
> > > > Gramin units or your understanding how to operate the
> > > > units or both. The Garmin Edge 820 certainly can give you
> > > > all the cadence metrics you want.
> > >
> > > Lou, I've gone through all of the settings many times and
> > > cannot find anything pertaining to cadence. Also the meter
> > > never asked to connect to my pickups and I think that the
> > > only way it measures speed and distance is via GPS and not
> > > the pickups.
> > >
> > > If you have a way of finding cadence on the 820 settings
> > > perhaps you could inform me. I am completely open to
> > > learning my mistakes.
> > Sorry if you already said this and I missed it, but is the
> > cadence sensor paired with the Garmin unit? If not, you will
> > not get any stats. Presumably you are seeing cadence while you
> > ride, so it would be paired in that cas--and I have no help to
> > offer.
>
> Ted, when I initially started the 800 it asked if it should
> pair with the cadence and speed sensors. The 820 may have done
> that on the original startup but I can't remember. I cannot
> find a means to check if it is paired with the latest sensor.
> But it gets slightly different distances for the same ride so I
> assume it is not using the speed sensor. Perhaps there is a way
> to reset the thing? But I cannot find a screen to add cadence
> to the display anyway. On the other hand the 800 had no
> trouble. They both have the latest software so I was assuming
> that the 820 did this all automatically. However - still no
> cadence display on the final printout like the 800 does.

Tom, are you able to find a screen that shows the cadence while
you are riding? If yes, that would be evidence that it is indeed
paired with the sensor. If not, it may be the case that it's not
paired. The pairing does no happen on its own to my knowledge, so
my suspicion is it's not paired.

--
Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA

On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 5:59:43 PM UTC+2, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 7:31:24 AM UTC-7, lou.h...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 11:37:10 PM UTC+2, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 1:28:12 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 830/530 are Garmin’s next generation so new chipset, as previous some could
> > > > be a bit underpowered, and get crashes etc.
> > > I looked the 830 manual up on line and I think that the main difference was that it would talk to your smart phone to an app as well as to power meters. The 800 records all sorts of data that the 820 doesn't even allow you to find out about such as cadence average and maximum I certainly don't understand that. I just spent 10 minutes going through all of the menu items on the 820 and there's nothing I can find to give me cadence
> > Tom there is something fundamentally wrong with your Gramin units or your understanding how to operate the units or both. The Garmin Edge 820 certainly can give you all the cadence metrics you want.
> Lou, I've gone through all of the settings many times and cannot find anything pertaining to cadence. Also the meter never asked to connect to my pickups and I think that the only way it measures speed and distance is via GPS and not the pickups.
>
> If you have a way of finding cadence on the 820 settings perhaps you could inform me. I am completely open to learning my mistakes.

Ok. First you have to understand that you can define (it can be more more than one) Activities (profiles). An activity can be 'indoor cycling', 'off road cycling' or whatever name you give to that activity. Within an activity you can define stuff such as: navigation settings and also data screens. You can have more than one data screens within an activity. There are pre defined data screens such as the map, elevation profile and the data screen with data fields. A data field is for instance speed, distance, cadence and numerous more. You can define every data field in a data screen. So if you want to define/change a data screen you do that by changing the settings in an Activity profile. I can't explain it better than this guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKr8wjpHLx4

To get cadence numbers you have to couple a cadence sensor fist of course:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnYlKuuI6Bg

IIRC the old combined speed cadence sensor doesn't work with the 820.

To keep it simple in the beginning just define one activity and only two data screens (map and just one data screen with the numbers that are important to you) for that activity. Delete or disable all the others if they are currently present. Success.

Lou

On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 9:42:59 AM UTC-7, Ted Heise wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 09:19:42 -0700 (PDT),
> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 9:11:02 AM UTC-7, Ted Heise wrote:
> > > On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 08:59:41 -0700 (PDT),
> > > Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 7:31:24 AM UTC-7, lou.h...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 11:37:10 PM UTC+2, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > > > I looked the 830 manual up on line and I think that the
> > > > > > main difference was that it would talk to your smart
> > > > > > phone to an app as well as to power meters. The 800
> > > > > > records all sorts of data that the 820 doesn't even
> > > > > > allow you to find out about such as cadence average and
> > > > > > maximum I certainly don't understand that. I just spent
> > > > > > 10 minutes going through all of the menu items on the
> > > > > > 820 and there's nothing I can find to give me cadence
> > > > > Tom there is something fundamentally wrong with your
> > > > > Gramin units or your understanding how to operate the
> > > > > units or both. The Garmin Edge 820 certainly can give you
> > > > > all the cadence metrics you want.
> > > >
> > > > Lou, I've gone through all of the settings many times and
> > > > cannot find anything pertaining to cadence. Also the meter
> > > > never asked to connect to my pickups and I think that the
> > > > only way it measures speed and distance is via GPS and not
> > > > the pickups.
> > > >
> > > > If you have a way of finding cadence on the 820 settings
> > > > perhaps you could inform me. I am completely open to
> > > > learning my mistakes.
> > > Sorry if you already said this and I missed it, but is the
> > > cadence sensor paired with the Garmin unit? If not, you will
> > > not get any stats. Presumably you are seeing cadence while you
> > > ride, so it would be paired in that cas--and I have no help to
> > > offer.
> >
> > Ted, when I initially started the 800 it asked if it should
> > pair with the cadence and speed sensors. The 820 may have done
> > that on the original startup but I can't remember. I cannot
> > find a means to check if it is paired with the latest sensor.
> > But it gets slightly different distances for the same ride so I
> > assume it is not using the speed sensor. Perhaps there is a way
> > to reset the thing? But I cannot find a screen to add cadence
> > to the display anyway. On the other hand the 800 had no
> > trouble. They both have the latest software so I was assuming
> > that the 820 did this all automatically. However - still no
> > cadence display on the final printout like the 800 does.
> Tom, are you able to find a screen that shows the cadence while
> you are riding? If yes, that would be evidence that it is indeed
> paired with the sensor. If not, it may be the case that it's not
> paired. The pairing does no happen on its own to my knowledge, so
> my suspicion is it's not paired.
> --
> Ted Heise <the...@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA
I can't even find a menu item to SHOW cadence. None of the setup has any references to it. Perhaps there is some indirect screen but I haven't been able to find it.

On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 9:47:44 AM UTC-7, lou.h...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 5:59:43 PM UTC+2, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 7:31:24 AM UTC-7, lou.h...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 11:37:10 PM UTC+2, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 1:28:12 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 830/530 are Garmin’s next generation so new chipset, as previous some could
> > > > > be a bit underpowered, and get crashes etc.
> > > > I looked the 830 manual up on line and I think that the main difference was that it would talk to your smart phone to an app as well as to power meters. The 800 records all sorts of data that the 820 doesn't even allow you to find out about such as cadence average and maximum I certainly don't understand that. I just spent 10 minutes going through all of the menu items on the 820 and there's nothing I can find to give me cadence
> > > Tom there is something fundamentally wrong with your Gramin units or your understanding how to operate the units or both. The Garmin Edge 820 certainly can give you all the cadence metrics you want.
> > Lou, I've gone through all of the settings many times and cannot find anything pertaining to cadence. Also the meter never asked to connect to my pickups and I think that the only way it measures speed and distance is via GPS and not the pickups.
> >
> > If you have a way of finding cadence on the 820 settings perhaps you could inform me. I am completely open to learning my mistakes.
> Ok. First you have to understand that you can define (it can be more more than one) Activities (profiles). An activity can be 'indoor cycling', 'off road cycling' or whatever name you give to that activity. Within an activity you can define stuff such as: navigation settings and also data screens. You can have more than one data screens within an activity. There are pre defined data screens such as the map, elevation profile and the data screen with data fields. A data field is for instance speed, distance, cadence and numerous more. You can define every data field in a data screen. So if you want to define/change a data screen you do that by changing the settings in an Activity profile. I can't explain it better than this guy.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKr8wjpHLx4
>
> To get cadence numbers you have to couple a cadence sensor fist of course:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnYlKuuI6Bg
>
> IIRC the old combined speed cadence sensor doesn't work with the 820.
>
> To keep it simple in the beginning just define one activity and only two data screens (map and just one data screen with the numbers that are important to you) for that activity. Delete or disable all the others if they are currently present. Success.

OK, taping on the screen name allowed me to pick up the cadence field. I will be going out shortly and make sure it is working. Thanks for the reference. That setup is different than the 800 and certainly isn't obvious to me.

On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 09:52:17 -0700 (PDT),
Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 9:42:59 AM UTC-7, Ted Heise wrote:
> > On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 09:19:42 -0700 (PDT),
> > Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 9:11:02 AM UTC-7, Ted Heise wrote:
> > > > On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 08:59:41 -0700 (PDT),
> > > > Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 7:31:24 AM UTC-7, lou.h...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 11:37:10 PM UTC+2, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > I looked the 830 manual up on line and I think that
> > > > > > > the main difference was that it would talk to your
> > > > > > > smart phone to an app as well as to power meters.
> > > > > > > The 800 records all sorts of data that the 820
> > > > > > > doesn't even allow you to find out about such as
> > > > > > > cadence average and maximum I certainly don't
> > > > > > > understand that. I just spent 10 minutes going
> > > > > > > through all of the menu items on the 820 and there's
> > > > > > > nothing I can find to give me cadence
> > > > > > Tom there is something fundamentally wrong with your
> > > > > > Gramin units or your understanding how to operate the
> > > > > > units or both. The Garmin Edge 820 certainly can give
> > > > > > you all the cadence metrics you want.
> > > > >
> > > > > Lou, I've gone through all of the settings many times
> > > > > and cannot find anything pertaining to cadence. Also the
> > > > > meter never asked to connect to my pickups and I think
> > > > > that the only way it measures speed and distance is via
> > > > > GPS and not the pickups.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you have a way of finding cadence on the 820 settings
> > > > > perhaps you could inform me. I am completely open to
> > > > > learning my mistakes.
> > > > Sorry if you already said this and I missed it, but is the
> > > > cadence sensor paired with the Garmin unit? If not, you
> > > > will not get any stats. Presumably you are seeing cadence
> > > > while you ride, so it would be paired in that cas--and I
> > > > have no help to offer.
> > >
> > > Ted, when I initially started the 800 it asked if it should
> > > pair with the cadence and speed sensors. The 820 may have
> > > done that on the original startup but I can't remember. I
> > > cannot find a means to check if it is paired with the latest
> > > sensor. But it gets slightly different distances for the
> > > same ride so I assume it is not using the speed sensor.
> > > Perhaps there is a way to reset the thing? But I cannot find
> > > a screen to add cadence to the display anyway. On the other
> > > hand the 800 had no trouble. They both have the latest
> > > software so I was assuming that the 820 did this all
> > > automatically. However - still no cadence display on the
> > > final printout like the 800 does.
> > Tom, are you able to find a screen that shows the cadence
> > while you are riding? If yes, that would be evidence that it
> > is indeed paired with the sensor. If not, it may be the case
> > that it's not paired. The pairing does no happen on its own to
> > my knowledge, so my suspicion is it's not paired. -- Ted Heise
> > <the...@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA
> I can't even find a menu item to SHOW cadence. None of the
> setup has any references to it. Perhaps there is some indirect
> screen but I haven't been able to find it.

Lou gave good info in setting up the screens, here's the step by
step from Garmin:

https://www8.garmin.com/manuals/webhelp/edge820/EN-US/GUID-668E2816-63F2-49B6-B67D-E2DBB2CC2B6E.html

And here's a list of the possible data fields that can be selected
for the screen elements:

https://www8.garmin.com/manuals/webhelp/edge820/EN-US/GUID-C17336D5-AE0E-4A15-9864-6B1D8177122C.html

The page also says for Cadence that, "Your device must be
connected to a cadence accessory for this data to appear."

--
Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA

On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 1:54:47 PM UTC-5, Ted Heise wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 09:52:17 -0700 (PDT),
> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 9:42:59 AM UTC-7, Ted Heise wrote:
> > > On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 09:19:42 -0700 (PDT),
> > > Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 9:11:02 AM UTC-7, Ted Heise wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 08:59:41 -0700 (PDT),
> > > > > Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 7:31:24 AM UTC-7, lou.h...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 11:37:10 PM UTC+2, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > > > I looked the 830 manual up on line and I think that
> > > > > > > > the main difference was that it would talk to your
> > > > > > > > smart phone to an app as well as to power meters.
> > > > > > > > The 800 records all sorts of data that the 820
> > > > > > > > doesn't even allow you to find out about such as
> > > > > > > > cadence average and maximum I certainly don't
> > > > > > > > understand that. I just spent 10 minutes going
> > > > > > > > through all of the menu items on the 820 and there's
> > > > > > > > nothing I can find to give me cadence
> > > > > > > Tom there is something fundamentally wrong with your
> > > > > > > Gramin units or your understanding how to operate the
> > > > > > > units or both. The Garmin Edge 820 certainly can give
> > > > > > > you all the cadence metrics you want.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Lou, I've gone through all of the settings many times
> > > > > > and cannot find anything pertaining to cadence. Also the
> > > > > > meter never asked to connect to my pickups and I think
> > > > > > that the only way it measures speed and distance is via
> > > > > > GPS and not the pickups.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you have a way of finding cadence on the 820 settings
> > > > > > perhaps you could inform me. I am completely open to
> > > > > > learning my mistakes.
> > > > > Sorry if you already said this and I missed it, but is the
> > > > > cadence sensor paired with the Garmin unit? If not, you
> > > > > will not get any stats. Presumably you are seeing cadence
> > > > > while you ride, so it would be paired in that cas--and I
> > > > > have no help to offer.
> > > >
> > > > Ted, when I initially started the 800 it asked if it should
> > > > pair with the cadence and speed sensors. The 820 may have
> > > > done that on the original startup but I can't remember. I
> > > > cannot find a means to check if it is paired with the latest
> > > > sensor. But it gets slightly different distances for the
> > > > same ride so I assume it is not using the speed sensor.
> > > > Perhaps there is a way to reset the thing? But I cannot find
> > > > a screen to add cadence to the display anyway. On the other
> > > > hand the 800 had no trouble. They both have the latest
> > > > software so I was assuming that the 820 did this all
> > > > automatically. However - still no cadence display on the
> > > > final printout like the 800 does.
> > > Tom, are you able to find a screen that shows the cadence
> > > while you are riding? If yes, that would be evidence that it
> > > is indeed paired with the sensor. If not, it may be the case
> > > that it's not paired. The pairing does no happen on its own to
> > > my knowledge, so my suspicion is it's not paired. -- Ted Heise
> > > <the...@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA
> > I can't even find a menu item to SHOW cadence. None of the
> > setup has any references to it. Perhaps there is some indirect
> > screen but I haven't been able to find it.
> Lou gave good info in setting up the screens, here's the step by
> step from Garmin:
>
> https://www8.garmin.com/manuals/webhelp/edge820/EN-US/GUID-668E2816-63F2-49B6-B67D-E2DBB2CC2B6E.html
>
> And here's a list of the possible data fields that can be selected
> for the screen elements:
>
> https://www8.garmin.com/manuals/webhelp/edge820/EN-US/GUID-C17336D5-AE0E-4A15-9864-6B1D8177122C.html
>
> The page also says for Cadence that, "Your device must be
> connected to a cadence accessory for this data to appear."
> --
> Ted Heise <the...@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA
I got a new Garmin 935 about 3 months ago. It took me about 4 hours to go through and figure out all the screens and how to set it up. Once that I got that figured out and under control it works beautiful for sure. It pick up the heart rate monitor, cadence, and speed sensor in a flash and I have had no issues. I also wear a Garmin 645 full time which will pretty much do what the 935 will and works on same principle of screens. It too is great. In fact once about a month ago the charge had run down on the 935 I had forgotten to check before leaving. Well then I just started the 645 on my wrist and the ride was save as 2 rides of course but still nice to have. I am a big Garmin fan and they take care of customers. I had to send a prior 645 back they sent a new one no issue. They even sent me a replacement heart rate monitor.
Deacon Mark

On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 11:54:47 AM UTC-7, Ted Heise wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 09:52:17 -0700 (PDT),
> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 9:42:59 AM UTC-7, Ted Heise wrote:
> > > On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 09:19:42 -0700 (PDT),
> > > Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 9:11:02 AM UTC-7, Ted Heise wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 08:59:41 -0700 (PDT),
> > > > > Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 7:31:24 AM UTC-7, lou.h...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 11:37:10 PM UTC+2, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > > > I looked the 830 manual up on line and I think that
> > > > > > > > the main difference was that it would talk to your
> > > > > > > > smart phone to an app as well as to power meters.
> > > > > > > > The 800 records all sorts of data that the 820
> > > > > > > > doesn't even allow you to find out about such as
> > > > > > > > cadence average and maximum I certainly don't
> > > > > > > > understand that. I just spent 10 minutes going
> > > > > > > > through all of the menu items on the 820 and there's
> > > > > > > > nothing I can find to give me cadence
> > > > > > > Tom there is something fundamentally wrong with your
> > > > > > > Gramin units or your understanding how to operate the
> > > > > > > units or both. The Garmin Edge 820 certainly can give
> > > > > > > you all the cadence metrics you want.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Lou, I've gone through all of the settings many times
> > > > > > and cannot find anything pertaining to cadence. Also the
> > > > > > meter never asked to connect to my pickups and I think
> > > > > > that the only way it measures speed and distance is via
> > > > > > GPS and not the pickups.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you have a way of finding cadence on the 820 settings
> > > > > > perhaps you could inform me. I am completely open to
> > > > > > learning my mistakes.
> > > > > Sorry if you already said this and I missed it, but is the
> > > > > cadence sensor paired with the Garmin unit? If not, you
> > > > > will not get any stats. Presumably you are seeing cadence
> > > > > while you ride, so it would be paired in that cas--and I
> > > > > have no help to offer.
> > > >
> > > > Ted, when I initially started the 800 it asked if it should
> > > > pair with the cadence and speed sensors. The 820 may have
> > > > done that on the original startup but I can't remember. I
> > > > cannot find a means to check if it is paired with the latest
> > > > sensor. But it gets slightly different distances for the
> > > > same ride so I assume it is not using the speed sensor.
> > > > Perhaps there is a way to reset the thing? But I cannot find
> > > > a screen to add cadence to the display anyway. On the other
> > > > hand the 800 had no trouble. They both have the latest
> > > > software so I was assuming that the 820 did this all
> > > > automatically. However - still no cadence display on the
> > > > final printout like the 800 does.
> > > Tom, are you able to find a screen that shows the cadence
> > > while you are riding? If yes, that would be evidence that it
> > > is indeed paired with the sensor. If not, it may be the case
> > > that it's not paired. The pairing does no happen on its own to
> > > my knowledge, so my suspicion is it's not paired. -- Ted Heise
> > > <the...@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA
> > I can't even find a menu item to SHOW cadence. None of the
> > setup has any references to it. Perhaps there is some indirect
> > screen but I haven't been able to find it.
> Lou gave good info in setting up the screens, here's the step by
> step from Garmin:
>
> https://www8.garmin.com/manuals/webhelp/edge820/EN-US/GUID-668E2816-63F2-49B6-B67D-E2DBB2CC2B6E.html
>
> And here's a list of the possible data fields that can be selected
> for the screen elements:
>
> https://www8.garmin.com/manuals/webhelp/edge820/EN-US/GUID-C17336D5-AE0E-4A15-9864-6B1D8177122C.html
>
> The page also says for Cadence that, "Your device must be
> connected to a cadence accessory for this data to appear."

Well, using the Garmin video I set it up with two extra windows on the screen including outside temperature and cadence. Then I shut the 820 off and got prepared for the ride. When I put it on the Airborne and turned it on it was missing those two extra windows and it apparently isn't paired with the cadence sensor since there was no cadence records. Maybe if I "reset" the thing and start from scratch. Maybe I can get it to recognize different speed and cadence sensors by setting the 800 and 820 for different screens.

I beginning to think that Lou is practicing voodoo on my and my Garmin.

On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 1:07:10 PM UTC-7, deaconm...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 1:54:47 PM UTC-5, Ted Heise wrote:
> > On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 09:52:17 -0700 (PDT),
> > Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 9:42:59 AM UTC-7, Ted Heise wrote:
> > > > On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 09:19:42 -0700 (PDT),
> > > > Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 9:11:02 AM UTC-7, Ted Heise wrote:
> > > > > > On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 08:59:41 -0700 (PDT),
> > > > > > Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 7:31:24 AM UTC-7, lou.h...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 11:37:10 PM UTC+2, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > > > > I looked the 830 manual up on line and I think that
> > > > > > > > > the main difference was that it would talk to your
> > > > > > > > > smart phone to an app as well as to power meters.
> > > > > > > > > The 800 records all sorts of data that the 820
> > > > > > > > > doesn't even allow you to find out about such as
> > > > > > > > > cadence average and maximum I certainly don't
> > > > > > > > > understand that. I just spent 10 minutes going
> > > > > > > > > through all of the menu items on the 820 and there's
> > > > > > > > > nothing I can find to give me cadence
> > > > > > > > Tom there is something fundamentally wrong with your
> > > > > > > > Gramin units or your understanding how to operate the
> > > > > > > > units or both. The Garmin Edge 820 certainly can give
> > > > > > > > you all the cadence metrics you want.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Lou, I've gone through all of the settings many times
> > > > > > > and cannot find anything pertaining to cadence. Also the
> > > > > > > meter never asked to connect to my pickups and I think
> > > > > > > that the only way it measures speed and distance is via
> > > > > > > GPS and not the pickups.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If you have a way of finding cadence on the 820 settings
> > > > > > > perhaps you could inform me. I am completely open to
> > > > > > > learning my mistakes.
> > > > > > Sorry if you already said this and I missed it, but is the
> > > > > > cadence sensor paired with the Garmin unit? If not, you
> > > > > > will not get any stats. Presumably you are seeing cadence
> > > > > > while you ride, so it would be paired in that cas--and I
> > > > > > have no help to offer.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ted, when I initially started the 800 it asked if it should
> > > > > pair with the cadence and speed sensors. The 820 may have
> > > > > done that on the original startup but I can't remember. I
> > > > > cannot find a means to check if it is paired with the latest
> > > > > sensor. But it gets slightly different distances for the
> > > > > same ride so I assume it is not using the speed sensor.
> > > > > Perhaps there is a way to reset the thing? But I cannot find
> > > > > a screen to add cadence to the display anyway. On the other
> > > > > hand the 800 had no trouble. They both have the latest
> > > > > software so I was assuming that the 820 did this all
> > > > > automatically. However - still no cadence display on the
> > > > > final printout like the 800 does.
> > > > Tom, are you able to find a screen that shows the cadence
> > > > while you are riding? If yes, that would be evidence that it
> > > > is indeed paired with the sensor. If not, it may be the case
> > > > that it's not paired. The pairing does no happen on its own to
> > > > my knowledge, so my suspicion is it's not paired. -- Ted Heise
> > > > <the...@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA
> > > I can't even find a menu item to SHOW cadence. None of the
> > > setup has any references to it. Perhaps there is some indirect
> > > screen but I haven't been able to find it.
> > Lou gave good info in setting up the screens, here's the step by
> > step from Garmin:
> >
> > https://www8.garmin.com/manuals/webhelp/edge820/EN-US/GUID-668E2816-63F2-49B6-B67D-E2DBB2CC2B6E.html
> >
> > And here's a list of the possible data fields that can be selected
> > for the screen elements:
> >
> > https://www8.garmin.com/manuals/webhelp/edge820/EN-US/GUID-C17336D5-AE0E-4A15-9864-6B1D8177122C.html
> >
> > The page also says for Cadence that, "Your device must be
> > connected to a cadence accessory for this data to appear."
> > --
> > Ted Heise <the...@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA
> I got a new Garmin 935 about 3 months ago. It took me about 4 hours to go through and figure out all the screens and how to set it up. Once that I got that figured out and under control it works beautiful for sure. It pick up the heart rate monitor, cadence, and speed sensor in a flash and I have had no issues. I also wear a Garmin 645 full time which will pretty much do what the 935 will and works on same principle of screens. It too is great. In fact once about a month ago the charge had run down on the 935 I had forgotten to check before leaving. Well then I just started the 645 on my wrist and the ride was save as 2 rides of course but still nice to have. I am a big Garmin fan and they take care of customers. I had to send a prior 645 back they sent a new one no issue. They even sent me a replacement heart rate monitor.

I took out the Airborne today and when I looked at it, there wasn't the speed and cadence sensors on it. So that is what happened to my extra screens. I just installed the third one. Looks like I will have made another $2,000 off of my bikes by the end of Tuesday evening. That leaves three more bikes to sell, and since I'm getting another ultratorque crankset with 172.5 arms I will put the one with 175 arms up for sale.

On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 11:32:54 PM UTC+2, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 11:54:47 AM UTC-7, Ted Heise wrote:
> > On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 09:52:17 -0700 (PDT),
> > Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 9:42:59 AM UTC-7, Ted Heise wrote:
> > > > On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 09:19:42 -0700 (PDT),
> > > > Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 9:11:02 AM UTC-7, Ted Heise wrote:
> > > > > > On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 08:59:41 -0700 (PDT),
> > > > > > Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 7:31:24 AM UTC-7, lou.h...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 11:37:10 PM UTC+2, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > > > > I looked the 830 manual up on line and I think that
> > > > > > > > > the main difference was that it would talk to your
> > > > > > > > > smart phone to an app as well as to power meters.
> > > > > > > > > The 800 records all sorts of data that the 820
> > > > > > > > > doesn't even allow you to find out about such as
> > > > > > > > > cadence average and maximum I certainly don't
> > > > > > > > > understand that. I just spent 10 minutes going
> > > > > > > > > through all of the menu items on the 820 and there's
> > > > > > > > > nothing I can find to give me cadence
> > > > > > > > Tom there is something fundamentally wrong with your
> > > > > > > > Gramin units or your understanding how to operate the
> > > > > > > > units or both. The Garmin Edge 820 certainly can give
> > > > > > > > you all the cadence metrics you want.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Lou, I've gone through all of the settings many times
> > > > > > > and cannot find anything pertaining to cadence. Also the
> > > > > > > meter never asked to connect to my pickups and I think
> > > > > > > that the only way it measures speed and distance is via
> > > > > > > GPS and not the pickups.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If you have a way of finding cadence on the 820 settings
> > > > > > > perhaps you could inform me. I am completely open to
> > > > > > > learning my mistakes.
> > > > > > Sorry if you already said this and I missed it, but is the
> > > > > > cadence sensor paired with the Garmin unit? If not, you
> > > > > > will not get any stats. Presumably you are seeing cadence
> > > > > > while you ride, so it would be paired in that cas--and I
> > > > > > have no help to offer.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ted, when I initially started the 800 it asked if it should
> > > > > pair with the cadence and speed sensors. The 820 may have
> > > > > done that on the original startup but I can't remember. I
> > > > > cannot find a means to check if it is paired with the latest
> > > > > sensor. But it gets slightly different distances for the
> > > > > same ride so I assume it is not using the speed sensor.
> > > > > Perhaps there is a way to reset the thing? But I cannot find
> > > > > a screen to add cadence to the display anyway. On the other
> > > > > hand the 800 had no trouble. They both have the latest
> > > > > software so I was assuming that the 820 did this all
> > > > > automatically. However - still no cadence display on the
> > > > > final printout like the 800 does.
> > > > Tom, are you able to find a screen that shows the cadence
> > > > while you are riding? If yes, that would be evidence that it
> > > > is indeed paired with the sensor. If not, it may be the case
> > > > that it's not paired. The pairing does no happen on its own to
> > > > my knowledge, so my suspicion is it's not paired. -- Ted Heise
> > > > <the...@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA
> > > I can't even find a menu item to SHOW cadence. None of the
> > > setup has any references to it. Perhaps there is some indirect
> > > screen but I haven't been able to find it.
> > Lou gave good info in setting up the screens, here's the step by
> > step from Garmin:
> >
> > https://www8.garmin.com/manuals/webhelp/edge820/EN-US/GUID-668E2816-63F2-49B6-B67D-E2DBB2CC2B6E.html
> >
> > And here's a list of the possible data fields that can be selected
> > for the screen elements:
> >
> > https://www8.garmin.com/manuals/webhelp/edge820/EN-US/GUID-C17336D5-AE0E-4A15-9864-6B1D8177122C.html
> >
> > The page also says for Cadence that, "Your device must be
> > connected to a cadence accessory for this data to appear."
> Well, using the Garmin video I set it up with two extra windows on the screen including outside temperature and cadence. Then I shut the 820 off and got prepared for the ride. When I put it on the Airborne and turned it on it was missing those two extra windows and it apparently isn't paired with the cadence sensor since there was no cadence records. Maybe if I "reset" the thing and start from scratch. Maybe I can get it to recognize different speed and cadence sensors by setting the 800 and 820 for different screens.
>
> I beginning to think that Lou is practicing voodoo on my and my Garmin.

As I mentioned the data screens (or windows as you call them) are coupled to an activity profile. If you start a ride in a different activity the data screens don't show up. If no cadence sensor is present or coupled the data field still should show up, only shwoing dashes indicating there is no data to show. Coupled sensors are available in all activity profiles by the way. To keep it simple in the beginning only define one activity profile so you can't make any mistake at start up of the unit/start a ride. In settings (hamburger icon in the home screen) ->activity profiles select an activity and hit the trash icon until you have only one activity left. You can name that activity 'cycling' or 'road cycling'. In 'setting -> sensors' you can see which sensors are coupled. If you don't see the cadence icon you did not coupled a cadence sensor. If it is present but the icon is flashing the unit is searching that sensor. If you wake the sensor up (turning the crank) it will stop flashing and is connected and data will show up in every cadence data file present in any data screen.

Lou, it is like explaining a cell phone to my mother. I failed.

On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 02:27:43 -0700 (PDT),
Lou Holtman <lou.holtman@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 11:32:54 PM UTC+2, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 11:54:47 AM UTC-7, Ted Heise wrote:
> > > On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 09:52:17 -0700 (PDT),
> > > Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 9:42:59 AM UTC-7, Ted Heise wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 09:19:42 -0700 (PDT),
> > > > > Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 9:11:02 AM UTC-7, Ted Heise wrote:

> > > > > > > Sorry if you already said this and I missed it, but
> > > > > > > is the cadence sensor paired with the Garmin unit?
> > > > > > > If not, you will not get any stats. Presumably you
> > > > > > > are seeing cadence while you ride, so it would be
> > > > > > > paired in that cas--and I have no help to offer.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ted, when I initially started the 800 it asked if it
> > > > > > should pair with the cadence and speed sensors. The
> > > > > > 820 may have done that on the original startup but I
> > > > > > can't remember. I cannot find a means to check if it
> > > > > > is paired with the latest sensor. But it gets slightly
> > > > > > different distances for the same ride so I assume it
> > > > > > is not using the speed sensor. Perhaps there is a way
> > > > > > to reset the thing? But I cannot find a screen to add
> > > > > > cadence to the display anyway. On the other hand the
> > > > > > 800 had no trouble. They both have the latest software
> > > > > > so I was assuming that the 820 did this all
> > > > > > automatically. However - still no cadence display on
> > > > > > the final printout like the 800 does.
> > > > > Tom, are you able to find a screen that shows the
> > > > > cadence while you are riding? If yes, that would be
> > > > > evidence that it is indeed paired with the sensor. If
> > > > > not, it may be the case that it's not paired. The
> > > > > pairing does no happen on its own to my knowledge, so my
> > > > > suspicion is it's not paired. -- Ted Heise
> > > > > <the...@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA
> > > > I can't even find a menu item to SHOW cadence. None of the
> > > > setup has any references to it. Perhaps there is some
> > > > indirect screen but I haven't been able to find it.
> > > Lou gave good info in setting up the screens, here's the
> > > step by step from Garmin:
> > >
> > > https://www8.garmin.com/manuals/webhelp/edge820/EN-US/GUID-668E2816-63F2-49B6-B67D-E2DBB2CC2B6E.html
> > >
> > > And here's a list of the possible data fields that can be
> > > selected for the screen elements:
> > >
> > > https://www8.garmin.com/manuals/webhelp/edge820/EN-US/GUID-C17336D5-AE0E-4A15-9864-6B1D8177122C.html
> > >
> > > The page also says for Cadence that, "Your device must be
> > > connected to a cadence accessory for this data to appear."
> > Well, using the Garmin video I set it up with two extra
> > windows on the screen including outside temperature and
> > cadence. Then I shut the 820 off and got prepared for the
> > ride. When I put it on the Airborne and turned it on it was
> > missing those two extra windows and it apparently isn't paired
> > with the cadence sensor since there was no cadence records.
> > Maybe if I "reset" the thing and start from scratch. Maybe I
> > can get it to recognize different speed and cadence sensors by
> > setting the 800 and 820 for different screens.
> >
> > I beginning to think that Lou is practicing voodoo on my and
> > my Garmin.

LOL. That's pretty funny.

> As I mentioned the data screens (or windows as you call them)
> are coupled to an activity profile. If you start a ride in a
> different activity the data screens don't show up. If no
> cadence sensor is present or coupled the data field still
> should show up, only shwoing dashes indicating there is no data
> to show.

From the few times I've forgotten to put on my chest strap, I can
confirm that the Garmin Edge 820 shows dashes when not paired with
the sensor.

--
Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA

On Friday, August 20, 2021 at 7:43:54 AM UTC-7, Ted Heise wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 02:27:43 -0700 (PDT),
> Lou Holtman <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 11:32:54 PM UTC+2, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 11:54:47 AM UTC-7, Ted Heise wrote:
> > > > On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 09:52:17 -0700 (PDT),
> > > > Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 9:42:59 AM UTC-7, Ted Heise wrote:
> > > > > > On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 09:19:42 -0700 (PDT),
> > > > > > Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 9:11:02 AM UTC-7, Ted Heise wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > Sorry if you already said this and I missed it, but
> > > > > > > > is the cadence sensor paired with the Garmin unit?
> > > > > > > > If not, you will not get any stats. Presumably you
> > > > > > > > are seeing cadence while you ride, so it would be
> > > > > > > > paired in that cas--and I have no help to offer.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ted, when I initially started the 800 it asked if it
> > > > > > > should pair with the cadence and speed sensors. The
> > > > > > > 820 may have done that on the original startup but I
> > > > > > > can't remember. I cannot find a means to check if it
> > > > > > > is paired with the latest sensor. But it gets slightly
> > > > > > > different distances for the same ride so I assume it
> > > > > > > is not using the speed sensor. Perhaps there is a way
> > > > > > > to reset the thing? But I cannot find a screen to add
> > > > > > > cadence to the display anyway. On the other hand the
> > > > > > > 800 had no trouble. They both have the latest software
> > > > > > > so I was assuming that the 820 did this all
> > > > > > > automatically. However - still no cadence display on
> > > > > > > the final printout like the 800 does.
> > > > > > Tom, are you able to find a screen that shows the
> > > > > > cadence while you are riding? If yes, that would be
> > > > > > evidence that it is indeed paired with the sensor. If
> > > > > > not, it may be the case that it's not paired. The
> > > > > > pairing does no happen on its own to my knowledge, so my
> > > > > > suspicion is it's not paired. -- Ted Heise
> > > > > > <the...@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA
> > > > > I can't even find a menu item to SHOW cadence. None of the
> > > > > setup has any references to it. Perhaps there is some
> > > > > indirect screen but I haven't been able to find it.
> > > > Lou gave good info in setting up the screens, here's the
> > > > step by step from Garmin:
> > > >
> > > > https://www8.garmin.com/manuals/webhelp/edge820/EN-US/GUID-668E2816-63F2-49B6-B67D-E2DBB2CC2B6E.html
> > > >
> > > > And here's a list of the possible data fields that can be
> > > > selected for the screen elements:
> > > >
> > > > https://www8.garmin.com/manuals/webhelp/edge820/EN-US/GUID-C17336D5-AE0E-4A15-9864-6B1D8177122C.html
> > > >
> > > > The page also says for Cadence that, "Your device must be
> > > > connected to a cadence accessory for this data to appear."
> > > Well, using the Garmin video I set it up with two extra
> > > windows on the screen including outside temperature and
> > > cadence. Then I shut the 820 off and got prepared for the
> > > ride. When I put it on the Airborne and turned it on it was
> > > missing those two extra windows and it apparently isn't paired
> > > with the cadence sensor since there was no cadence records.
> > > Maybe if I "reset" the thing and start from scratch. Maybe I
> > > can get it to recognize different speed and cadence sensors by
> > > setting the 800 and 820 for different screens.
> > >
> > > I beginning to think that Lou is practicing voodoo on my and
> > > my Garmin.
> LOL. That's pretty funny.
> > As I mentioned the data screens (or windows as you call them)
> > are coupled to an activity profile. If you start a ride in a
> > different activity the data screens don't show up. If no
> > cadence sensor is present or coupled the data field still
> > should show up, only shwoing dashes indicating there is no data
> > to show.
> From the few times I've forgotten to put on my chest strap, I can
> confirm that the Garmin Edge 820 shows dashes when not paired with
> the sensor.
> --
> Ted Heise <the...@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA

Or you died. BTW, my son did customer service at Stages https://stagescycling.com/us/ and half of his time was spent telling people how to use their Garmin head units rather than addressing issues with Stages power meters. The meters were producing correct output, but for some reason, the Garmin head units were not showing some metric I didn't even know existed like torque intensity pedal smoothosity maximum/minimum threshold powerness -- which tells you if your shoes are on too tight. It sounded like a bunch of old triathletes getting hysterical before the local one-tenth Ironman.

-- Jay Beattie.

On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 08:25:10 -0700 (PDT),
jbeattie <jbeattie57@msn.com> wrote:
> On Friday, August 20, 2021 at 7:43:54 AM UTC-7, Ted Heise wrote:
> > On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 02:27:43 -0700 (PDT),
> > Lou Holtman <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 11:32:54 PM UTC+2, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:

> > > > I beginning to think that Lou is practicing voodoo on my
> > > > and my Garmin.
> > LOL. That's pretty funny.
> > > As I mentioned the data screens (or windows as you call
> > > them) are coupled to an activity profile. If you start a
> > > ride in a different activity the data screens don't show up.
> > > If no cadence sensor is present or coupled the data field
> > > still should show up, only shwoing dashes indicating there
> > > is no data to show.
> > From the few times I've forgotten to put on my chest strap, I
> > can confirm that the Garmin Edge 820 shows dashes when not
> > paired with the sensor.

> Or you died.

LOL! Seriously though, I self diagnosed a mild arrhythmia back in
the 2000s with a Polar HRM while out on the bike. I found if I
put my rate into the upper 150s and backed off just a bit, the
rate would jump up to 225. And I'd get a little chest tightness.
They ended up doing a stress test, and could not reproduce it,
though I could do so on the bike. My conclusion was PSVTs.

--
Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA

On Friday, August 20, 2021 at 2:27:45 AM UTC-7, lou.h...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 11:32:54 PM UTC+2, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 11:54:47 AM UTC-7, Ted Heise wrote:
> > > On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 09:52:17 -0700 (PDT),
> > > Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 9:42:59 AM UTC-7, Ted Heise wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 09:19:42 -0700 (PDT),
> > > > > Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 9:11:02 AM UTC-7, Ted Heise wrote:
> > > > > > > On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 08:59:41 -0700 (PDT),
> > > > > > > Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 7:31:24 AM UTC-7, lou.h...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 11:37:10 PM UTC+2, cycl....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I looked the 830 manual up on line and I think that
> > > > > > > > > > the main difference was that it would talk to your
> > > > > > > > > > smart phone to an app as well as to power meters.
> > > > > > > > > > The 800 records all sorts of data that the 820
> > > > > > > > > > doesn't even allow you to find out about such as
> > > > > > > > > > cadence average and maximum I certainly don't
> > > > > > > > > > understand that. I just spent 10 minutes going
> > > > > > > > > > through all of the menu items on the 820 and there's
> > > > > > > > > > nothing I can find to give me cadence
> > > > > > > > > Tom there is something fundamentally wrong with your
> > > > > > > > > Gramin units or your understanding how to operate the
> > > > > > > > > units or both. The Garmin Edge 820 certainly can give
> > > > > > > > > you all the cadence metrics you want.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Lou, I've gone through all of the settings many times
> > > > > > > > and cannot find anything pertaining to cadence. Also the
> > > > > > > > meter never asked to connect to my pickups and I think
> > > > > > > > that the only way it measures speed and distance is via
> > > > > > > > GPS and not the pickups.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If you have a way of finding cadence on the 820 settings
> > > > > > > > perhaps you could inform me. I am completely open to
> > > > > > > > learning my mistakes.
> > > > > > > Sorry if you already said this and I missed it, but is the
> > > > > > > cadence sensor paired with the Garmin unit? If not, you
> > > > > > > will not get any stats. Presumably you are seeing cadence
> > > > > > > while you ride, so it would be paired in that cas--and I
> > > > > > > have no help to offer.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ted, when I initially started the 800 it asked if it should
> > > > > > pair with the cadence and speed sensors. The 820 may have
> > > > > > done that on the original startup but I can't remember. I
> > > > > > cannot find a means to check if it is paired with the latest
> > > > > > sensor. But it gets slightly different distances for the
> > > > > > same ride so I assume it is not using the speed sensor.
> > > > > > Perhaps there is a way to reset the thing? But I cannot find
> > > > > > a screen to add cadence to the display anyway. On the other
> > > > > > hand the 800 had no trouble. They both have the latest
> > > > > > software so I was assuming that the 820 did this all
> > > > > > automatically. However - still no cadence display on the
> > > > > > final printout like the 800 does.
> > > > > Tom, are you able to find a screen that shows the cadence
> > > > > while you are riding? If yes, that would be evidence that it
> > > > > is indeed paired with the sensor. If not, it may be the case
> > > > > that it's not paired. The pairing does no happen on its own to
> > > > > my knowledge, so my suspicion is it's not paired. -- Ted Heise
> > > > > <the...@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA
> > > > I can't even find a menu item to SHOW cadence. None of the
> > > > setup has any references to it. Perhaps there is some indirect
> > > > screen but I haven't been able to find it.
> > > Lou gave good info in setting up the screens, here's the step by
> > > step from Garmin:
> > >
> > > https://www8.garmin.com/manuals/webhelp/edge820/EN-US/GUID-668E2816-63F2-49B6-B67D-E2DBB2CC2B6E.html
> > >
> > > And here's a list of the possible data fields that can be selected
> > > for the screen elements:
> > >
> > > https://www8.garmin.com/manuals/webhelp/edge820/EN-US/GUID-C17336D5-AE0E-4A15-9864-6B1D8177122C.html
> > >
> > > The page also says for Cadence that, "Your device must be
> > > connected to a cadence accessory for this data to appear."
> > Well, using the Garmin video I set it up with two extra windows on the screen including outside temperature and cadence. Then I shut the 820 off and got prepared for the ride. When I put it on the Airborne and turned it on it was missing those two extra windows and it apparently isn't paired with the cadence sensor since there was no cadence records. Maybe if I "reset" the thing and start from scratch. Maybe I can get it to recognize different speed and cadence sensors by setting the 800 and 820 for different screens.
> >
> > I beginning to think that Lou is practicing voodoo on my and my Garmin.
> As I mentioned the data screens (or windows as you call them) are coupled to an activity profile. If you start a ride in a different activity the data screens don't show up. If no cadence sensor is present or coupled the data field still should show up, only shwoing dashes indicating there is no data to show. Coupled sensors are available in all activity profiles by the way. To keep it simple in the beginning only define one activity profile so you can't make any mistake at start up of the unit/start a ride. In settings (hamburger icon in the home screen) ->activity profiles select an activity and hit the trash icon until you have only one activity left. You can name that activity 'cycling' or 'road cycling'. In 'setting -> sensors' you can see which sensors are coupled. If you don't see the cadence icon you did not coupled a cadence sensor. If it is present but the icon is flashing the unit is searching that sensor. If you wake the sensor up (turning the crank) it will stop flashing and is connected and data will show up in every cadence data file present in any data screen.
>
> Lou, it is like explaining a cell phone to my mother. I failed.
I had taken the speed and power sensor off of my Eddy Merckx aluminum bike with the idea of putting it on the Airborne and simply forgot. I have the on the other Ti bikes. So without the sensor those screens simply don't come up on the 820. I think in order for you to get the Garmin to stay paired with the sensor that you have to use them under different bikes (I changed Bike 1 to the actual brands of bike so that I can easily select the right one)

Maybe you should explain the Garmin to your mother.

Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 02:27:43 -0700 (PDT),
> Lou Holtman <lou.holtman@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 11:32:54 PM UTC+2, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 11:54:47 AM UTC-7, Ted Heise wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 09:52:17 -0700 (PDT),
>>>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 9:42:59 AM UTC-7, Ted Heise wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 09:19:42 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 9:11:02 AM UTC-7, Ted Heise wrote:
>
>>>>>>>> Sorry if you already said this and I missed it, but
>>>>>>>> is the cadence sensor paired with the Garmin unit?
>>>>>>>> If not, you will not get any stats. Presumably you
>>>>>>>> are seeing cadence while you ride, so it would be
>>>>>>>> paired in that cas--and I have no help to offer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ted, when I initially started the 800 it asked if it
>>>>>>> should pair with the cadence and speed sensors. The
>>>>>>> 820 may have done that on the original startup but I
>>>>>>> can't remember. I cannot find a means to check if it
>>>>>>> is paired with the latest sensor. But it gets slightly
>>>>>>> different distances for the same ride so I assume it
>>>>>>> is not using the speed sensor. Perhaps there is a way
>>>>>>> to reset the thing? But I cannot find a screen to add
>>>>>>> cadence to the display anyway. On the other hand the
>>>>>>> 800 had no trouble. They both have the latest software
>>>>>>> so I was assuming that the 820 did this all
>>>>>>> automatically. However - still no cadence display on
>>>>>>> the final printout like the 800 does.
>>>>>> Tom, are you able to find a screen that shows the
>>>>>> cadence while you are riding? If yes, that would be
>>>>>> evidence that it is indeed paired with the sensor. If
>>>>>> not, it may be the case that it's not paired. The
>>>>>> pairing does no happen on its own to my knowledge, so my
>>>>>> suspicion is it's not paired. -- Ted Heise
>>>>>> <the...@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA
>>>>> I can't even find a menu item to SHOW cadence. None of the
>>>>> setup has any references to it. Perhaps there is some
>>>>> indirect screen but I haven't been able to find it.
>>>> Lou gave good info in setting up the screens, here's the
>>>> step by step from Garmin:
>>>>
>>>> https://www8.garmin.com/manuals/webhelp/edge820/EN-US/GUID-668E2816-63F2-49B6-B67D-E2DBB2CC2B6E.html
>>>>
>>>> And here's a list of the possible data fields that can be
>>>> selected for the screen elements:
>>>>
>>>> https://www8.garmin.com/manuals/webhelp/edge820/EN-US/GUID-C17336D5-AE0E-4A15-9864-6B1D8177122C.html
>>>>
>>>> The page also says for Cadence that, "Your device must be
>>>> connected to a cadence accessory for this data to appear."
>>> Well, using the Garmin video I set it up with two extra
>>> windows on the screen including outside temperature and
>>> cadence. Then I shut the 820 off and got prepared for the
>>> ride. When I put it on the Airborne and turned it on it was
>>> missing those two extra windows and it apparently isn't paired
>>> with the cadence sensor since there was no cadence records.
>>> Maybe if I "reset" the thing and start from scratch. Maybe I
>>> can get it to recognize different speed and cadence sensors by
>>> setting the 800 and 820 for different screens.
>>>
>>> I beginning to think that Lou is practicing voodoo on my and
>>> my Garmin.
>
> LOL. That's pretty funny.
>
>
>> As I mentioned the data screens (or windows as you call them)
>> are coupled to an activity profile. If you start a ride in a
>> different activity the data screens don't show up. If no
>> cadence sensor is present or coupled the data field still
>> should show up, only shwoing dashes indicating there is no data
>> to show.
>
> From the few times I've forgotten to put on my chest strap, I can
> confirm that the Garmin Edge 820 shows dashes when not paired with
> the sensor.
>

Yep. The only case that’s a bit confusing is with the speed sensor. If
you have GPS enabled and lose the speed sensor your speed is calculated
using GPS so no dashes. You will get a message when the sensor is
connected again as with all of them.

On Friday, August 20, 2021 at 11:25:29 AM UTC-7, Duane wrote:
> Ted Heise <the...@panix.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 02:27:43 -0700 (PDT),
> > Lou Holtman <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 11:32:54 PM UTC+2, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 11:54:47 AM UTC-7, Ted Heise wrote:
> >>>> On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 09:52:17 -0700 (PDT),
> >>>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 9:42:59 AM UTC-7, Ted Heise wrote:
> >>>>>> On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 09:19:42 -0700 (PDT),
> >>>>>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 9:11:02 AM UTC-7, Ted Heise wrote:
> >
> >>>>>>>> Sorry if you already said this and I missed it, but
> >>>>>>>> is the cadence sensor paired with the Garmin unit?
> >>>>>>>> If not, you will not get any stats. Presumably you
> >>>>>>>> are seeing cadence while you ride, so it would be
> >>>>>>>> paired in that cas--and I have no help to offer.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Ted, when I initially started the 800 it asked if it
> >>>>>>> should pair with the cadence and speed sensors. The
> >>>>>>> 820 may have done that on the original startup but I
> >>>>>>> can't remember. I cannot find a means to check if it
> >>>>>>> is paired with the latest sensor. But it gets slightly
> >>>>>>> different distances for the same ride so I assume it
> >>>>>>> is not using the speed sensor. Perhaps there is a way
> >>>>>>> to reset the thing? But I cannot find a screen to add
> >>>>>>> cadence to the display anyway. On the other hand the
> >>>>>>> 800 had no trouble. They both have the latest software
> >>>>>>> so I was assuming that the 820 did this all
> >>>>>>> automatically. However - still no cadence display on
> >>>>>>> the final printout like the 800 does.
> >>>>>> Tom, are you able to find a screen that shows the
> >>>>>> cadence while you are riding? If yes, that would be
> >>>>>> evidence that it is indeed paired with the sensor. If
> >>>>>> not, it may be the case that it's not paired. The
> >>>>>> pairing does no happen on its own to my knowledge, so my
> >>>>>> suspicion is it's not paired. -- Ted Heise
> >>>>>> <the...@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA
> >>>>> I can't even find a menu item to SHOW cadence. None of the
> >>>>> setup has any references to it. Perhaps there is some
> >>>>> indirect screen but I haven't been able to find it.
> >>>> Lou gave good info in setting up the screens, here's the
> >>>> step by step from Garmin:
> >>>>
> >>>> https://www8.garmin.com/manuals/webhelp/edge820/EN-US/GUID-668E2816-63F2-49B6-B67D-E2DBB2CC2B6E.html
> >>>>
> >>>> And here's a list of the possible data fields that can be
> >>>> selected for the screen elements:
> >>>>
> >>>> https://www8.garmin.com/manuals/webhelp/edge820/EN-US/GUID-C17336D5-AE0E-4A15-9864-6B1D8177122C.html
> >>>>
> >>>> The page also says for Cadence that, "Your device must be
> >>>> connected to a cadence accessory for this data to appear."
> >>> Well, using the Garmin video I set it up with two extra
> >>> windows on the screen including outside temperature and
> >>> cadence. Then I shut the 820 off and got prepared for the
> >>> ride. When I put it on the Airborne and turned it on it was
> >>> missing those two extra windows and it apparently isn't paired
> >>> with the cadence sensor since there was no cadence records.
> >>> Maybe if I "reset" the thing and start from scratch. Maybe I
> >>> can get it to recognize different speed and cadence sensors by
> >>> setting the 800 and 820 for different screens.
> >>>
> >>> I beginning to think that Lou is practicing voodoo on my and
> >>> my Garmin.
> >
> > LOL. That's pretty funny.
> >
> >
> >> As I mentioned the data screens (or windows as you call them)
> >> are coupled to an activity profile. If you start a ride in a
> >> different activity the data screens don't show up. If no
> >> cadence sensor is present or coupled the data field still
> >> should show up, only shwoing dashes indicating there is no data
> >> to show.
> >
> > From the few times I've forgotten to put on my chest strap, I can
> > confirm that the Garmin Edge 820 shows dashes when not paired with
> > the sensor.
> >
> Yep. The only case that’s a bit confusing is with the speed sensor. If
> you have GPS enabled and lose the speed sensor your speed is calculated
> using GPS so no dashes. You will get a message when the sensor is
> connected again as with all of them.
The funny part is that sitting completely still it calculates the apparent speed of the satellite over you do you get readings of from 0. to 0.4 mph. That's a way of telling if your sensor is off-line.

Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 1:28:12 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>
>> 830/530 are Garmin’s next generation so new chipset, as previous some could
>> be a bit underpowered, and get crashes etc.
>
> I looked the 830 manual up on line and I think that the main difference
> was that it would talk to your smart phone to an app as well as to power
> meters. The 800 records all sorts of data that the 820 doesn't even allow
> you to find out about such as cadence average and maximum I certainly
> don't understand that. I just spent 10 minutes going through all of the
> menu items on the 820 and there's nothing I can find to give me cadence
>

830 is mainly that it has a much faster CPU as others have noted the 820
has most features such as cadence as others have been helping you find.

Are some newer features that may not have been rolled back to the 820,
after all its 5 years old kits, and be slower plotting routes and so on.

Roger Merriman

On Friday, August 20, 2021 at 2:16:12 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 1:28:12 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
> >>
> >> 830/530 are Garmin’s next generation so new chipset, as previous some could
> >> be a bit underpowered, and get crashes etc.
> >
> > I looked the 830 manual up on line and I think that the main difference
> > was that it would talk to your smart phone to an app as well as to power
> > meters. The 800 records all sorts of data that the 820 doesn't even allow
> > you to find out about such as cadence average and maximum I certainly
> > don't understand that. I just spent 10 minutes going through all of the
> > menu items on the 820 and there's nothing I can find to give me cadence
> >
> 830 is mainly that it has a much faster CPU as others have noted the 820
> has most features such as cadence as others have been helping you find.
>
> Are some newer features that may not have been rolled back to the 820,
> after all its 5 years old kits, and be slower plotting routes and so on.

I had set up the screen supposedly to display cadence and some other things and it did not come up. It turned out that I didn't have the speed and cadence sensor on that bike and it automatically reverts to a minimal screen I guess. After putting the sensor on it today, the screen came up with all 5 windows.