https://humansarefree.com/2021/03/masks-cause-gum-disease-which-increases-coronavirus-death-risk-by-900-percent.html

On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 8:57:40 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> https://humansarefree.com/2021/03/masks-cause-gum-disease-which-increases-coronavirus-death-risk-by-900-percent.html
Since Jay has been telling us all about how Ivermectin is such a dangerous and useless drug meant only for animals why do you suppose that it won the Nobel Prize in Medicine for curing literally MILLIONS of people from the two most disfiguring diseases in the tropic including "river blindness" etc.

"Since 2012, a growing number of cellular studies have demonstrated that ivermectin has antiviral properties against an increasing number of RNA viruses, including influenza, Zika, HIV, Dengue, and most importantly, SARS-CoV-2.9–17 Insights into the mechanisms of action by which ivermectin both interferes with the entrance and replication of SARS-CoV-2 within human cells are mounting. Caly et al18 first reported that ivermectin significantly inhibits SARS-CoV-2 replication in a cell culture model, observing the near absence of all viral material 48 hours after exposure to ivermectin."

Indeed in the studies that the NIH forced to be retracted this is precisely what was occurring. People deathly ill were ultimately cured in 48 hours.

So why is the government attempting to force what has been shown to be a DANGEOUS vaccine upon people when covid-19 in its worst form is almost always curable with the panoply of treatments available?

Why are they forcing masks upon the public when the CDC admits that they are useless? That they cause double the normal suicides in children and "The U.S. government’s Substance Abuse and Mental Health Service (SAMHSA) also reported an 890 percent increase in call volume to its nationwide suicide hotline last April."?

It is time to start killing the people responsible for this as our only means of self defense.

On 9/17/2021 12:52 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> It is time to start killing the people responsible for this as our only means of self defense.

Do let us know when you finally begin to act on your posts here. We'll
check the news to see how it goes.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 4:06:11 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 9/17/2021 12:52 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >
> > It is time to start killing the people responsible for this as our only means of self defense.
> Do let us know when you finally begin to act on your posts here. We'll
> check the news to see how it goes.

Frank, you won't have to look on the news because you're one of the first to go.

Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 4:06:11 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 9/17/2021 12:52 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>
>>> It is time to start killing the people responsible for this as our only
>>> means of self defense.
>> Do let us know when you finally begin to act on your posts here. We'll
>> check the news to see how it goes.
>
> Frank, you won't have to look on the news because you're one of the first to go.
>

That sounds like “uttering a threat”. Any lawyers want to chip in on what
the odds are of Frank getting Tom jailed for that?

On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 3:48:29 PM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 4:06:11 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >> On 9/17/2021 12:52 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>
> >>> It is time to start killing the people responsible for this as our only
> >>> means of self defense.
> >> Do let us know when you finally begin to act on your posts here. We'll
> >> check the news to see how it goes.
> >
> > Frank, you won't have to look on the news because you're one of the first to go.
> >
> That sounds like “uttering a threat”. Any lawyers want to chip in on what
> the odds are of Frank getting Tom jailed for that?
Really big on the first Amendment aren't you? Even here in California that wouldn't fly. But you're welcome to spend your money on the hope of a return on investment.

On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 3:57:19 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 3:48:29 PM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
> > Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 4:06:11 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > >> On 9/17/2021 12:52 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> It is time to start killing the people responsible for this as our only
> > >>> means of self defense.
> > >> Do let us know when you finally begin to act on your posts here. We'll
> > >> check the news to see how it goes.
> > >
> > > Frank, you won't have to look on the news because you're one of the first to go.
> > >
> > That sounds like “uttering a threat”. Any lawyers want to chip in on what
> > the odds are of Frank getting Tom jailed for that?
> Really big on the first Amendment aren't you? Even here in California that wouldn't fly. But you're welcome to spend your money on the hope of a return on investment.
While we're at it, Frank and Jay actually think that vaccines are in some manner helpful. That is because both of them know absolutely nothing about medicine but they play doctor on the Internet.

https://proudamerican.site/fda-panel-member-says-covid-vaccines-are-killing-more-than-theyre-saving-during-youtube-livestream/

I know that you two have a hard time with this but the vaccines KILL 5-6 people for every one they save.

Masks started to be used by doctors in the late 1880's. The pre-runner to the CDC started studying them starting around 1918. Not one study that could pass peer review ever found that masks worked even for bacterial diseases, let alone for a virus. The ONLY sources of "studies" that found that masks did any good were those initiated and financed by Fauci who ordered what results he wanted. I have shown you several studies including one at the very height of the pandemic that showed that masks had NO effect in what is a aerosol transmitted disease.

If you can think back that far, I have told you only about a million times that I was part of a small group that interviewed AIDS victims in an attempt to discover the source of that disease. Very rapidly it became apparent that it was coming from blood bank blood. Queers were getting all sorts of unrelated diseases which is what AIDS is - a breakdown in the immune response. So they were in and out of the hospital all of the time and they were attempting to help finance it by selling blood to the blood banks. They didn't know they were the cause of all of the AIDS deaths, and neither did anyone else. Our interviews caused the complete shutdown of the blood banks world wide and then we began searching for the CAUSE of the disease since we only had a very broad idea of what was occurring.

Now, by this time, we KNEW it was a blood born disease. There was NO question about this. No one that was either queer or had a blood transfusion had gotten AIDS. We just didn't know the source of it.

That was when I also became involved with Dr. Kary Mullis and his PCR chemistry invention. Here is my first design with which we could separate samples into the plates: https://www.ebay.com/itm/163276237068?hash=item260405a90c:g:yBYAAOxy7AxSK3wI and then we placed the plates into the PCR thermal cycler which was also my complete electronic design and program. https://www..ebay.com/itm/353354896028?hash=item524597d29c:g:iScAAOSw2IFgAdXK In addition I designed and programmed several other pieces of medical equipment along these lines. I believe that you can recognize them because I used the same control panel on all of them to lessen the development time.

What did that son of a bitch Fauci do? He went on TV and told everyone that it was an airborne disease that you could catch by being in the same room with queers. This caused the largest medical panic to that time. Queers were fired from their jobs as being a clear and present danger to everyone else. Even their families turned them out. No landlord would allow a queer to live in their rentals.

What did this do? It caused queers everywhere to start committing suicide because they had no place to turn. Even hospitals and doctors WHO WE HAD INFORMED OF THE TRUTH wouldn't let queers in.

This is the man that Kragowski loves like a brother and who does no wrong. If Fauci says that a vaccine is the answer - then vaccine is the ONLY answer.

I will tell you straight out - I do not like queers or anything about them after those interviews. But I am a man of principles and I would not turn away a queer who needed help if it was sure death for me. And besides, very rapidly we knew that it was HIV that was the common denominator. That is SCIENCE and not what Jay pretends to know about it or Frank thinks that he knows and doesn't or that moron John reads off of the Internet and then repeats like a parrot and thinks himself clever. John doesn't even understand what is being said and blathers on as if he had a clue.

When this all works out in the end, So many people are going to be sitting in courtrooms behind the accused's table that every fucking moron that Jay or Frank thinks of a knowledgeable is likely to spend the remainder of their lives in prison.

On Sat, 18 Sep 2021 16:40:16 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 3:57:19 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 3:48:29 PM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
>> > Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 4:06:11 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> > >> On 9/17/2021 12:52 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>> It is time to start killing the people responsible for this as our only
>> > >>> means of self defense.
>> > >> Do let us know when you finally begin to act on your posts here. We'll
>> > >> check the news to see how it goes.
>> > >
>> > > Frank, you won't have to look on the news because you're one of the first to go.
>> > >
>> > That sounds like “uttering a threat”. Any lawyers want to chip in on what
>> > the odds are of Frank getting Tom jailed for that?
>> Really big on the first Amendment aren't you? Even here in California that wouldn't fly. But you're welcome to spend your money on the hope of a return on investment.
>While we're at it, Frank and Jay actually think that vaccines are in some manner helpful. That is because both of them know absolutely nothing about medicine but they play doctor on the Internet.
>
>https://proudamerican.site/fda-panel-member-says-covid-vaccines-are-killing-more-than-theyre-saving-during-youtube-livestream/
>
>I know that you two have a hard time with this but the vaccines KILL 5-6 people for every one they save.
>
>Masks started to be used by doctors in the late 1880's. The pre-runner to the CDC started studying them starting around 1918. Not one study that could pass peer review ever found that masks worked even for bacterial diseases, let alone for a virus. The ONLY sources of "studies" that found that masks did any good were those initiated and financed by Fauci who ordered what results he wanted. I have shown you several studies including one at the very height of the pandemic that showed that masks had NO effect in what is a aerosol transmitted disease.
>
>If you can think back that far, I have told you only about a million times that I was part of a small group that interviewed AIDS victims in an attempt to discover the source of that disease. Very rapidly it became apparent that it was coming from blood bank blood. Queers were getting all sorts of unrelated diseases which is what AIDS is - a breakdown in the immune response. So they were in and out of the hospital all of the time and they were attempting to help finance it by selling blood to the blood banks. They didn't know they were the cause of all of the AIDS deaths, and neither did anyone else. Our interviews caused the complete shutdown of the blood banks world wide and then we began searching for the CAUSE of the disease since we only had a very broad idea of what was occurring.
>
>Now, by this time, we KNEW it was a blood born disease. There was NO question about this. No one that was either queer or had a blood transfusion had gotten AIDS. We just didn't know the source of it.
>
>That was when I also became involved with Dr. Kary Mullis and his PCR chemistry invention. Here is my first design with which we could separate samples into the plates: https://www.ebay.com/itm/163276237068?hash=item260405a90c:g:yBYAAOxy7AxSK3wI and then we placed the plates into the PCR thermal cycler which was also my complete electronic design and program. https://www.ebay.com/itm/353354896028?hash=item524597d29c:g:iScAAOSw2IFgAdXK In addition I designed and programmed several other pieces of medical equipment along these lines. I believe that you can recognize them because I used the same control panel on all of them to lessen the development time.

"Here is my first design"?? Strange isn't it that while you claim all
sorts of things Jeff reported that he had researched the records and
nowhere could he find any evidence that you had been mentioned in any
patent application, copyright, or any other recording of those who had
developed these devices.

So essentially your claims have about the same credibility as those
who claim that the earth is flat or the moon made from blue cheese.

Indeed, "Flat Earth Tommy"
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 6:48:29 p.m. UTC-4, Ralph Barone wrote:
> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 4:06:11 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >> On 9/17/2021 12:52 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>
> >>> It is time to start killing the people responsible for this as our only
> >>> means of self defense.
> >> Do let us know when you finally begin to act on your posts here. We'll
> >> check the news to see how it goes.
> >
> > Frank, you won't have to look on the news because you're one of the first to go.
> >
> That sounds like “uttering a threat”. Any lawyers want to chip in on what
> the odds are of Frank getting Tom jailed for that?

Best to Killfile or otherwise ignore Tom.

Cheers

Sir Ridesalot <i_am_cycle_pathic@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 6:48:29 p.m. UTC-4, Ralph Barone wrote:
>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 4:06:11 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>> On 9/17/2021 12:52 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> It is time to start killing the people responsible for this as our only
>>>>> means of self defense.
>>>> Do let us know when you finally begin to act on your posts here. We'll
>>>> check the news to see how it goes.
>>>
>>> Frank, you won't have to look on the news because you're one of the first to go.
>>>
>> That sounds like “uttering a threat”. Any lawyers want to chip in on what
>> the odds are of Frank getting Tom jailed for that?
>
> Best to Killfile or otherwise ignore Tom.
>
> Cheers
>

He’s already killfiled, but I drop the shields now and then to see what the
real world sounds like.

On Sat, 18 Sep 2021 18:09:22 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
<i_am_cycle_pathic@yahoo.ca> wrote:

>On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 6:48:29 p.m. UTC-4, Ralph Barone wrote:
>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 4:06:11 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> >> On 9/17/2021 12:52 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> It is time to start killing the people responsible for this as our only
>> >>> means of self defense.
>> >> Do let us know when you finally begin to act on your posts here. We'll
>> >> check the news to see how it goes.
>> >
>> > Frank, you won't have to look on the news because you're one of the first to go.
>> >
>> That sounds like “uttering a threat”. Any lawyers want to chip in on what
>> the odds are of Frank getting Tom jailed for that?
>
>Best to Killfile or otherwise ignore Tom.
>
>Cheers

I'm not disagreeing with you but I do find his posts interesting in
the sense that he is a fanatical Trump supporter. One can only
speculate. Is he a typical rump supporter? Do they all suffer from
delusions?
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 8:31:18 PM UTC-5, Ralph Barone wrote:
> Sir Ridesalot <i_am_cyc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> > On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 6:48:29 p.m. UTC-4, Ralph Barone wrote:
> >> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 4:06:11 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>>> On 9/17/2021 12:52 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It is time to start killing the people responsible for this as our only
> >>>>> means of self defense.
> >>>> Do let us know when you finally begin to act on your posts here. We'll
> >>>> check the news to see how it goes.
> >>>
> >>> Frank, you won't have to look on the news because you're one of the first to go.
> >>>
> >> That sounds like “uttering a threat”. Any lawyers want to chip in on what
> >> the odds are of Frank getting Tom jailed for that?
> >
> > Best to Killfile or otherwise ignore Tom.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> He’s already killfiled, but I drop the shields now and then to see what the
> real world sounds like.

I find Tommy's posts humorous and fun to respond to. Sometimes, not all the time. Sometimes the stupidity is so intense you just have to walk away. Especially when he blathers on about investing. Its actually fun and makes me feel good to post factual evidence of the stock market results signifying Tommy is a complete liar. I know I should feel ashamed for blatantly proving Tommy is a liar and idiot over and over again. But I still enjoy doing it. Sorry.

On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 5:37:13 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
>
> "Here is my first design"?? Strange isn't it that while you claim all
> sorts of things Jeff reported that he had researched the records and
> nowhere could he find any evidence that you had been mentioned in any
> patent application, copyright, or any other recording of those who had
> developed these devices.
>
> So essentially your claims have about the same credibility as those
> who claim that the earth is flat or the moon made from blue cheese.
>
> Indeed, "Flat Earth Tommy"

Maybe you should ask Jeff how many patents he has. As any real person that worked a real job knows, the ENGINEER on a project does not hold the patents to those devices. But since you live in LA-LA-LAND you wouldn't know that.. Maybe you could look it up on the Internet and then repeat it as if it was some sort of revelation?

On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 7:27:07 PM UTC-7, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 8:31:18 PM UTC-5, Ralph Barone wrote:
> > Sir Ridesalot <i_am_cyc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> > > On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 6:48:29 p.m. UTC-4, Ralph Barone wrote:
> > >> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 4:06:11 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > >>>> On 9/17/2021 12:52 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> It is time to start killing the people responsible for this as our only
> > >>>>> means of self defense.
> > >>>> Do let us know when you finally begin to act on your posts here. We'll
> > >>>> check the news to see how it goes.
> > >>>
> > >>> Frank, you won't have to look on the news because you're one of the first to go.
> > >>>
> > >> That sounds like “uttering a threat”. Any lawyers want to chip in on what
> > >> the odds are of Frank getting Tom jailed for that?
> > >
> > > Best to Killfile or otherwise ignore Tom.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > He’s already killfiled, but I drop the shields now and then to see what the
> > real world sounds like.
> I find Tommy's posts humorous and fun to respond to. Sometimes, not all the time. Sometimes the stupidity is so intense you just have to walk away. Especially when he blathers on about investing. Its actually fun and makes me feel good to post factual evidence of the stock market results signifying Tommy is a complete liar. I know I should feel ashamed for blatantly proving Tommy is a liar and idiot over and over again. But I still enjoy doing it. Sorry.
I realize that either you have no investments or are willing to lie about them, but DIRECTLY from the Federal Reserve: "The Great Recession
December 2007–June 2009 Lasting from December 2007 to June 2009, this economic downturn was the longest since World War II."

Why don't you say something really stupid like "Obama wasn't President in 2007" after the election had been won by him?

"The financial effects of the Great Recession were similarly outsized: Home prices fell approximately 30 percent, on average, from their mid-2006 peak to mid-2009, while the S&P 500 index fell 57 percent from its October 2007 peak to its trough in March 2009. The net worth of US households and nonprofit organizations fell from a peak of approximately $69 trillion in 2007 to a trough of $55 trillion in 2009."

I realize that with your really important college education you cannot even figure out how long an economy can grow even at the fraudulent 3.5% claimed after 2009, but let's just say that during Obama the market NEVER recovered the losses of his Great Recession you stupid ass.

And the reporting of the Trump economic growth of only 2.4% was fraudulent also but that is the sort of thing you lap up like the rest of the shit you love to claim.

We have seen every single department of our government corrupted by the Democrats. Too bad you weren't in Afghanistan and left behind.

On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 08:54:59 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 5:37:13 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
>>
>> "Here is my first design"?? Strange isn't it that while you claim all
>> sorts of things Jeff reported that he had researched the records and
>> nowhere could he find any evidence that you had been mentioned in any
>> patent application, copyright, or any other recording of those who had
>> developed these devices.
>>
>> So essentially your claims have about the same credibility as those
>> who claim that the earth is flat or the moon made from blue cheese.
>>
>> Indeed, "Flat Earth Tommy"
>
>Maybe you should ask Jeff how many patents he has. As any real person that worked a real job knows, the ENGINEER on a project does not hold the patents to those devices. But since you live in LA-LA-LAND you wouldn't know that. Maybe you could look it up on the Internet and then repeat it as if it was some sort of revelation?

What is the number of patents held by Jeff to do with the fact that
there is no, or at least, no visible, proof that you were ever even
near anyone who developed anything.

Standing on the street corner hollering "I'm Wonderful! I'm
Wonderful!" isn't proof of anything. Well except that you suffer from
delusions.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 6:11:50 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 08:54:59 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 5:37:13 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> >>
> >> "Here is my first design"?? Strange isn't it that while you claim all
> >> sorts of things Jeff reported that he had researched the records and
> >> nowhere could he find any evidence that you had been mentioned in any
> >> patent application, copyright, or any other recording of those who had
> >> developed these devices.
> >>
> >> So essentially your claims have about the same credibility as those
> >> who claim that the earth is flat or the moon made from blue cheese.
> >>
> >> Indeed, "Flat Earth Tommy"
> >
> >Maybe you should ask Jeff how many patents he has. As any real person that worked a real job knows, the ENGINEER on a project does not hold the patents to those devices. But since you live in LA-LA-LAND you wouldn't know that. Maybe you could look it up on the Internet and then repeat it as if it was some sort of revelation?
> What is the number of patents held by Jeff to do with the fact that
> there is no, or at least, no visible, proof that you were ever even
> near anyone who developed anything.
>
> Standing on the street corner hollering "I'm Wonderful! I'm
> Wonderful!" isn't proof of anything. Well except that you suffer from
> delusions.

John, we have no visible proof that you were ever in the Air Force. What's more there were no B50's when you were in. So you must be lying correct?

On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 19:18:59 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 6:11:50 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
>> On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 08:54:59 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 5:37:13 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
>> >>
>> >> "Here is my first design"?? Strange isn't it that while you claim all
>> >> sorts of things Jeff reported that he had researched the records and
>> >> nowhere could he find any evidence that you had been mentioned in any
>> >> patent application, copyright, or any other recording of those who had
>> >> developed these devices.
>> >>
>> >> So essentially your claims have about the same credibility as those
>> >> who claim that the earth is flat or the moon made from blue cheese.
>> >>
>> >> Indeed, "Flat Earth Tommy"
>> >
>> >Maybe you should ask Jeff how many patents he has. As any real person that worked a real job knows, the ENGINEER on a project does not hold the patents to those devices. But since you live in LA-LA-LAND you wouldn't know that. Maybe you could look it up on the Internet and then repeat it as if it was some sort of revelation?
>> What is the number of patents held by Jeff to do with the fact that
>> there is no, or at least, no visible, proof that you were ever even
>> near anyone who developed anything.
>>
>> Standing on the street corner hollering "I'm Wonderful! I'm
>> Wonderful!" isn't proof of anything. Well except that you suffer from
>> delusions.
>
>John, we have no visible proof that you were ever in the Air Force. What's more there were no B50's when you were in. So you must be lying correct?

No B-50 when I was in the Air Force? According to USAF records the
first B-50 was received in 1948 and the last one flew in 1965. I
retired in 1972 after 20 years of service.

While I do realize that insults are your preferred method of debate I
do wish that you would use just a tiny bit of intelligence and make
them just a bit logical.

I just proof read the above and think that for your edification I
should explain that since I retired in 1972 after 20 years I must have
enlisted in 1952 and thus my service overlapped the B-50's service by
bout 13 years.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 8:21:34 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 19:18:59 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 6:11:50 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> >> On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 08:54:59 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 5:37:13 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> "Here is my first design"?? Strange isn't it that while you claim all
> >> >> sorts of things Jeff reported that he had researched the records and
> >> >> nowhere could he find any evidence that you had been mentioned in any
> >> >> patent application, copyright, or any other recording of those who had
> >> >> developed these devices.
> >> >>
> >> >> So essentially your claims have about the same credibility as those
> >> >> who claim that the earth is flat or the moon made from blue cheese.
> >> >>
> >> >> Indeed, "Flat Earth Tommy"
> >> >
> >> >Maybe you should ask Jeff how many patents he has. As any real person that worked a real job knows, the ENGINEER on a project does not hold the patents to those devices. But since you live in LA-LA-LAND you wouldn't know that. Maybe you could look it up on the Internet and then repeat it as if it was some sort of revelation?
> >> What is the number of patents held by Jeff to do with the fact that
> >> there is no, or at least, no visible, proof that you were ever even
> >> near anyone who developed anything.
> >>
> >> Standing on the street corner hollering "I'm Wonderful! I'm
> >> Wonderful!" isn't proof of anything. Well except that you suffer from
> >> delusions.
> >
> >John, we have no visible proof that you were ever in the Air Force. What's more there were no B50's when you were in. So you must be lying correct?
> No B-50 when I was in the Air Force? According to USAF records the
> first B-50 was received in 1948 and the last one flew in 1965. I
> retired in 1972 after 20 years of service.
>
> While I do realize that insults are your preferred method of debate I
> do wish that you would use just a tiny bit of intelligence and make
> them just a bit logical.
>
> I just proof read the above and think that for your edification I
> should explain that since I retired in 1972 after 20 years I must have
> enlisted in 1952 and thus my service overlapped the B-50's service by
> bout 13 years.

Do you always find it so difficult to understand what is said or do you actually do this on purpose.

The B47 first few in 1947 and was the heavy bomber of choice from thereon until delivery of the B52. It was the only bomber that could fly high enough and fast enough to get out of the way of the latest nuclear bombs of that time. A B36 would have been a suicide mission as would a B50.

So they simply repurposed the B50, into the RB50 and the KB50. Stop trying to change history. That you can't understand me chiding you about not being a crew chief on a B50 is telling because you HAD to know that it wasn't a bomber.

On Mon, 20 Sep 2021 13:20:13 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 8:21:34 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
>> On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 19:18:59 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 6:11:50 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 08:54:59 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 5:37:13 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Here is my first design"?? Strange isn't it that while you claim all
>> >> >> sorts of things Jeff reported that he had researched the records and
>> >> >> nowhere could he find any evidence that you had been mentioned in any
>> >> >> patent application, copyright, or any other recording of those who had
>> >> >> developed these devices.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> So essentially your claims have about the same credibility as those
>> >> >> who claim that the earth is flat or the moon made from blue cheese.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Indeed, "Flat Earth Tommy"
>> >> >
>> >> >Maybe you should ask Jeff how many patents he has. As any real person that worked a real job knows, the ENGINEER on a project does not hold the patents to those devices. But since you live in LA-LA-LAND you wouldn't know that. Maybe you could look it up on the Internet and then repeat it as if it was some sort of revelation?
>> >> What is the number of patents held by Jeff to do with the fact that
>> >> there is no, or at least, no visible, proof that you were ever even
>> >> near anyone who developed anything.
>> >>
>> >> Standing on the street corner hollering "I'm Wonderful! I'm
>> >> Wonderful!" isn't proof of anything. Well except that you suffer from
>> >> delusions.
>> >
>> >John, we have no visible proof that you were ever in the Air Force. What's more there were no B50's when you were in. So you must be lying correct?
>> No B-50 when I was in the Air Force? According to USAF records the
>> first B-50 was received in 1948 and the last one flew in 1965. I
>> retired in 1972 after 20 years of service.
>>
>> While I do realize that insults are your preferred method of debate I
>> do wish that you would use just a tiny bit of intelligence and make
>> them just a bit logical.
>>
>> I just proof read the above and think that for your edification I
>> should explain that since I retired in 1972 after 20 years I must have
>> enlisted in 1952 and thus my service overlapped the B-50's service by
>> bout 13 years.
>
>Do you always find it so difficult to understand what is said or do you actually do this on purpose.
>
>The B47 first few in 1947 and was the heavy bomber of choice from thereon until delivery of the B52. It was the only bomber that could fly high enough and fast enough to get out of the way of the latest nuclear bombs of that time. A B36 would have been a suicide mission as would a B50.
>
>So they simply repurposed the B50, into the RB50 and the KB50. Stop trying to change history. That you can't understand me chiding you about not being a crew chief on a B50 is telling because you HAD to know that it wasn't a bomber.

Tommy, Tommy! You simply don't know what you are talking about. The
B-47 was first flown in 1947 and while the B-47 first flew in 1947 it
wasn't accepted by the A.F. un till 1951.

During the Korean war, the 92nd bomb wing, flying B-29's was stationed
at Yokota A.B. in Japan and was probably the primary bomb group during
the Korean war. The B-47 was not used during the Korean war and in
fact never dropped a single bomb in any conflict.

So, as usual you are right up full of the brown stuff.

Next lesson.

In early May of 1954 three B-29's of the 92nd Bomb Wing were prepared
to fly a mission. Full ammunition loads in all turrets, Flak Curtains
in place and a funny bomb rack, apparently capable of holding only a
single bomb was installed in the forward bomb bay.

We were told that the strange bomb rack was for an "Atom Bomb" and the
flight crew said that they were scheduled to fly, first to Okinawa
where "atom bombs" were said to be stored, by treaty they couldn't be
stored in Japan, then fly to the Philippines and then the actual
bombing mission to Vietnam.

We stood by, on alert, for about three days and then the we were
"stood down" and the combat gear stripped out of the airplanes and we
never heard any more about it.

How do I know all this? I was there. A2c, ground crew member on a
B-29.

Some years later it turned out that during the battle of Battle of
Dien Bien Phu, 13 March and 7 May 1954, the French had apparently
asked the U.S. for assistance and someone alerted the A.F. who
prepared for the mission which, of course, was cancelled when French
surrendered.

So your argument that nobody but a B-47 or B-52 could drop an Atom
Bomb is simply another of your fanaticizes. In fact the only "atom
bombs" ever dropped in war were dropped from a B-29.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 5:07:16 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Sep 2021 13:20:13 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 8:21:34 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> >> On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 19:18:59 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 6:11:50 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> >> >> On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 08:54:59 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 5:37:13 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "Here is my first design"?? Strange isn't it that while you claim all
> >> >> >> sorts of things Jeff reported that he had researched the records and
> >> >> >> nowhere could he find any evidence that you had been mentioned in any
> >> >> >> patent application, copyright, or any other recording of those who had
> >> >> >> developed these devices.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> So essentially your claims have about the same credibility as those
> >> >> >> who claim that the earth is flat or the moon made from blue cheese.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Indeed, "Flat Earth Tommy"
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Maybe you should ask Jeff how many patents he has. As any real person that worked a real job knows, the ENGINEER on a project does not hold the patents to those devices. But since you live in LA-LA-LAND you wouldn't know that. Maybe you could look it up on the Internet and then repeat it as if it was some sort of revelation?
> >> >> What is the number of patents held by Jeff to do with the fact that
> >> >> there is no, or at least, no visible, proof that you were ever even
> >> >> near anyone who developed anything.
> >> >>
> >> >> Standing on the street corner hollering "I'm Wonderful! I'm
> >> >> Wonderful!" isn't proof of anything. Well except that you suffer from
> >> >> delusions.
> >> >
> >> >John, we have no visible proof that you were ever in the Air Force. What's more there were no B50's when you were in. So you must be lying correct?
> >> No B-50 when I was in the Air Force? According to USAF records the
> >> first B-50 was received in 1948 and the last one flew in 1965. I
> >> retired in 1972 after 20 years of service.
> >>
> >> While I do realize that insults are your preferred method of debate I
> >> do wish that you would use just a tiny bit of intelligence and make
> >> them just a bit logical.
> >>
> >> I just proof read the above and think that for your edification I
> >> should explain that since I retired in 1972 after 20 years I must have
> >> enlisted in 1952 and thus my service overlapped the B-50's service by
> >> bout 13 years.
> >
> >Do you always find it so difficult to understand what is said or do you actually do this on purpose.
> >
> >The B47 first few in 1947 and was the heavy bomber of choice from thereon until delivery of the B52. It was the only bomber that could fly high enough and fast enough to get out of the way of the latest nuclear bombs of that time. A B36 would have been a suicide mission as would a B50.
> >
> >So they simply repurposed the B50, into the RB50 and the KB50. Stop trying to change history. That you can't understand me chiding you about not being a crew chief on a B50 is telling because you HAD to know that it wasn't a bomber.
> Tommy, Tommy! You simply don't know what you are talking about. The
> B-47 was first flown in 1947 and while the B-47 first flew in 1947 it
> wasn't accepted by the A.F. un till 1951.
>
> During the Korean war, the 92nd bomb wing, flying B-29's was stationed
> at Yokota A.B. in Japan and was probably the primary bomb group during
> the Korean war. The B-47 was not used during the Korean war and in
> fact never dropped a single bomb in any conflict.
>
> So, as usual you are right up full of the brown stuff.
>
> Next lesson.
>
> In early May of 1954 three B-29's of the 92nd Bomb Wing were prepared
> to fly a mission. Full ammunition loads in all turrets, Flak Curtains
> in place and a funny bomb rack, apparently capable of holding only a
> single bomb was installed in the forward bomb bay.
>
> We were told that the strange bomb rack was for an "Atom Bomb" and the
> flight crew said that they were scheduled to fly, first to Okinawa
> where "atom bombs" were said to be stored, by treaty they couldn't be
> stored in Japan, then fly to the Philippines and then the actual
> bombing mission to Vietnam.
>
> We stood by, on alert, for about three days and then the we were
> "stood down" and the combat gear stripped out of the airplanes and we
> never heard any more about it.
>
> How do I know all this? I was there. A2c, ground crew member on a
> B-29.
>
> Some years later it turned out that during the battle of Battle of
> Dien Bien Phu, 13 March and 7 May 1954, the French had apparently
> asked the U.S. for assistance and someone alerted the A.F. who
> prepared for the mission which, of course, was cancelled when French
> surrendered.
>
> So your argument that nobody but a B-47 or B-52 could drop an Atom
> Bomb is simply another of your fanaticizes. In fact the only "atom
> bombs" ever dropped in war were dropped from a B-29.

John, will you please stop reading shit off of the Internet and thinking that you know the first fucking thing about anything? B29's were used in Korea because they were a HEAVY bomber and not because they were thought to be a nuclear bomber. I have to wonder why you drone on without even the second for a thought about what history is.

On 9/21/2021 9:47 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 5:07:16 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
>> On Mon, 20 Sep 2021 13:20:13 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 8:21:34 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 19:18:59 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 6:11:50 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 08:54:59 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 5:37:13 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Here is my first design"?? Strange isn't it that while you claim all
>>>>>>>> sorts of things Jeff reported that he had researched the records and
>>>>>>>> nowhere could he find any evidence that you had been mentioned in any
>>>>>>>> patent application, copyright, or any other recording of those who had
>>>>>>>> developed these devices.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So essentially your claims have about the same credibility as those
>>>>>>>> who claim that the earth is flat or the moon made from blue cheese.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Indeed, "Flat Earth Tommy"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe you should ask Jeff how many patents he has. As any real person that worked a real job knows, the ENGINEER on a project does not hold the patents to those devices. But since you live in LA-LA-LAND you wouldn't know that. Maybe you could look it up on the Internet and then repeat it as if it was some sort of revelation?
>>>>>> What is the number of patents held by Jeff to do with the fact that
>>>>>> there is no, or at least, no visible, proof that you were ever even
>>>>>> near anyone who developed anything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Standing on the street corner hollering "I'm Wonderful! I'm
>>>>>> Wonderful!" isn't proof of anything. Well except that you suffer from
>>>>>> delusions.
>>>>>
>>>>> John, we have no visible proof that you were ever in the Air Force. What's more there were no B50's when you were in. So you must be lying correct?
>>>> No B-50 when I was in the Air Force? According to USAF records the
>>>> first B-50 was received in 1948 and the last one flew in 1965. I
>>>> retired in 1972 after 20 years of service.
>>>>
>>>> While I do realize that insults are your preferred method of debate I
>>>> do wish that you would use just a tiny bit of intelligence and make
>>>> them just a bit logical.
>>>>
>>>> I just proof read the above and think that for your edification I
>>>> should explain that since I retired in 1972 after 20 years I must have
>>>> enlisted in 1952 and thus my service overlapped the B-50's service by
>>>> bout 13 years.
>>>
>>> Do you always find it so difficult to understand what is said or do you actually do this on purpose.
>>>
>>> The B47 first few in 1947 and was the heavy bomber of choice from thereon until delivery of the B52. It was the only bomber that could fly high enough and fast enough to get out of the way of the latest nuclear bombs of that time. A B36 would have been a suicide mission as would a B50.
>>>
>>> So they simply repurposed the B50, into the RB50 and the KB50. Stop trying to change history. That you can't understand me chiding you about not being a crew chief on a B50 is telling because you HAD to know that it wasn't a bomber.
>> Tommy, Tommy! You simply don't know what you are talking about. The
>> B-47 was first flown in 1947 and while the B-47 first flew in 1947 it
>> wasn't accepted by the A.F. un till 1951.
>>
>> During the Korean war, the 92nd bomb wing, flying B-29's was stationed
>> at Yokota A.B. in Japan and was probably the primary bomb group during
>> the Korean war. The B-47 was not used during the Korean war and in
>> fact never dropped a single bomb in any conflict.
>>
>> So, as usual you are right up full of the brown stuff.
>>
>> Next lesson.
>>
>> In early May of 1954 three B-29's of the 92nd Bomb Wing were prepared
>> to fly a mission. Full ammunition loads in all turrets, Flak Curtains
>> in place and a funny bomb rack, apparently capable of holding only a
>> single bomb was installed in the forward bomb bay.
>>
>> We were told that the strange bomb rack was for an "Atom Bomb" and the
>> flight crew said that they were scheduled to fly, first to Okinawa
>> where "atom bombs" were said to be stored, by treaty they couldn't be
>> stored in Japan, then fly to the Philippines and then the actual
>> bombing mission to Vietnam.
>>
>> We stood by, on alert, for about three days and then the we were
>> "stood down" and the combat gear stripped out of the airplanes and we
>> never heard any more about it.
>>
>> How do I know all this? I was there. A2c, ground crew member on a
>> B-29.
>>
>> Some years later it turned out that during the battle of Battle of
>> Dien Bien Phu, 13 March and 7 May 1954, the French had apparently
>> asked the U.S. for assistance and someone alerted the A.F. who
>> prepared for the mission which, of course, was cancelled when French
>> surrendered.
>>
>> So your argument that nobody but a B-47 or B-52 could drop an Atom
>> Bomb is simply another of your fanaticizes. In fact the only "atom
>> bombs" ever dropped in war were dropped from a B-29.
>
> John, will you please stop reading shit off of the Internet and thinking that you know the first fucking thing about anything? B29's were used in Korea because they were a HEAVY bomber and not because they were thought to be a nuclear bomber. I have to wonder why you drone on without even the second for a thought about what history is.
>

???
If some guy needed a nuclear device to be somewhere else, a
B29 would probably work for that:

https://airandspace.si.edu/exhibitions/enola-gay

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 7:57:05 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 9/21/2021 9:47 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 5:07:16 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> >> On Mon, 20 Sep 2021 13:20:13 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 8:21:34 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> >>>> On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 19:18:59 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 6:11:50 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> >>>>>> On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 08:54:59 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >>>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 5:37:13 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "Here is my first design"?? Strange isn't it that while you claim all
> >>>>>>>> sorts of things Jeff reported that he had researched the records and
> >>>>>>>> nowhere could he find any evidence that you had been mentioned in any
> >>>>>>>> patent application, copyright, or any other recording of those who had
> >>>>>>>> developed these devices.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> So essentially your claims have about the same credibility as those
> >>>>>>>> who claim that the earth is flat or the moon made from blue cheese.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Indeed, "Flat Earth Tommy"
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Maybe you should ask Jeff how many patents he has. As any real person that worked a real job knows, the ENGINEER on a project does not hold the patents to those devices. But since you live in LA-LA-LAND you wouldn't know that. Maybe you could look it up on the Internet and then repeat it as if it was some sort of revelation?
> >>>>>> What is the number of patents held by Jeff to do with the fact that
> >>>>>> there is no, or at least, no visible, proof that you were ever even
> >>>>>> near anyone who developed anything.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Standing on the street corner hollering "I'm Wonderful! I'm
> >>>>>> Wonderful!" isn't proof of anything. Well except that you suffer from
> >>>>>> delusions.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> John, we have no visible proof that you were ever in the Air Force. What's more there were no B50's when you were in. So you must be lying correct?
> >>>> No B-50 when I was in the Air Force? According to USAF records the
> >>>> first B-50 was received in 1948 and the last one flew in 1965. I
> >>>> retired in 1972 after 20 years of service.
> >>>>
> >>>> While I do realize that insults are your preferred method of debate I
> >>>> do wish that you would use just a tiny bit of intelligence and make
> >>>> them just a bit logical.
> >>>>
> >>>> I just proof read the above and think that for your edification I
> >>>> should explain that since I retired in 1972 after 20 years I must have
> >>>> enlisted in 1952 and thus my service overlapped the B-50's service by
> >>>> bout 13 years.
> >>>
> >>> Do you always find it so difficult to understand what is said or do you actually do this on purpose.
> >>>
> >>> The B47 first few in 1947 and was the heavy bomber of choice from thereon until delivery of the B52. It was the only bomber that could fly high enough and fast enough to get out of the way of the latest nuclear bombs of that time. A B36 would have been a suicide mission as would a B50.
> >>>
> >>> So they simply repurposed the B50, into the RB50 and the KB50. Stop trying to change history. That you can't understand me chiding you about not being a crew chief on a B50 is telling because you HAD to know that it wasn't a bomber.
> >> Tommy, Tommy! You simply don't know what you are talking about. The
> >> B-47 was first flown in 1947 and while the B-47 first flew in 1947 it
> >> wasn't accepted by the A.F. un till 1951.
> >>
> >> During the Korean war, the 92nd bomb wing, flying B-29's was stationed
> >> at Yokota A.B. in Japan and was probably the primary bomb group during
> >> the Korean war. The B-47 was not used during the Korean war and in
> >> fact never dropped a single bomb in any conflict.
> >>
> >> So, as usual you are right up full of the brown stuff.
> >>
> >> Next lesson.
> >>
> >> In early May of 1954 three B-29's of the 92nd Bomb Wing were prepared
> >> to fly a mission. Full ammunition loads in all turrets, Flak Curtains
> >> in place and a funny bomb rack, apparently capable of holding only a
> >> single bomb was installed in the forward bomb bay.
> >>
> >> We were told that the strange bomb rack was for an "Atom Bomb" and the
> >> flight crew said that they were scheduled to fly, first to Okinawa
> >> where "atom bombs" were said to be stored, by treaty they couldn't be
> >> stored in Japan, then fly to the Philippines and then the actual
> >> bombing mission to Vietnam.
> >>
> >> We stood by, on alert, for about three days and then the we were
> >> "stood down" and the combat gear stripped out of the airplanes and we
> >> never heard any more about it.
> >>
> >> How do I know all this? I was there. A2c, ground crew member on a
> >> B-29.
> >>
> >> Some years later it turned out that during the battle of Battle of
> >> Dien Bien Phu, 13 March and 7 May 1954, the French had apparently
> >> asked the U.S. for assistance and someone alerted the A.F. who
> >> prepared for the mission which, of course, was cancelled when French
> >> surrendered.
> >>
> >> So your argument that nobody but a B-47 or B-52 could drop an Atom
> >> Bomb is simply another of your fanaticizes. In fact the only "atom
> >> bombs" ever dropped in war were dropped from a B-29.
> >
> > John, will you please stop reading shit off of the Internet and thinking that you know the first fucking thing about anything? B29's were used in Korea because they were a HEAVY bomber and not because they were thought to be a nuclear bomber. I have to wonder why you drone on without even the second for a thought about what history is.
> >
> ???
> If some guy needed a nuclear device to be somewhere else, a
> B29 would probably work for that:
>
> https://airandspace.si.edu/exhibitions/enola-gay

The bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were a firecracker compared to the ones we had during the cold war. If you have even a passing idea that a B29 or its offshoots - the B36 or B50 could escape a blast like that you're mistaken. This is why ALL propeller driven bombers became obsolete with the introduction of the B47 which they considered the only means of dropping a bomb and being elsewhere before the pop.

John is talking about the B29 being used in Korea. It never for one second occurred to him that was a bomber designed to carry conventional bombs in a load that is hardly believable. A B52 couldn't carry the load of a B29.

On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 1:15:31 PM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> A B52 couldn't carry the load of a B29.

This must be similar to tommy's assertion that you can shift gears on a bike without pedaling.

from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_B-52_Stratofortress
Bombs: Approximately 70,000 lb (31,500 kg) mixed ordnance; bombs, mines, missiles, in various configurations

from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_B-29_Superfortress
5,000 lb (2,300 kg) over 1,600 mi (2,600 km; 1,400 nmi) radius at high altitude
12,000 lb (5,400 kg) over 1,600 mi (2,600 km; 1,400 nmi) radius at medium altitude
20,000 lb (9,100 kg) maximum over short distances at low altitude
Could be modified to carry two 22,000 lb (10,000 kg) Grand Slam bombs externally.

yeah yeah, we know sparky, wikipedia is wrong about everything.

On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 12:07:00 PM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Why don't you say something really stupid like "Obama wasn't President in 2007" after the election had been won by him?

Obama was president in 2007? Funny considering the election was held in 2008, and he wasn't sworn in until january 2009.

> "The financial effects of the Great Recession were similarly outsized: Home prices fell approximately 30 percent, on average, from their mid-2006 peak to mid-2009, while the S&P 500 index fell 57 percent from its October 2007 peak to its trough in March 2009. The net worth of US households and nonprofit organizations fell from a peak of approximately $69 trillion in 2007 to a trough of $55 trillion in 2009."
>
> I realize that with your really important college education you cannot even figure out how long an economy can grow even at the fraudulent 3.5% claimed after 2009,
> but let's just say that during Obama the market NEVER recovered the losses of his Great Recession you stupid ass.

So you write above that the S&P fell from its' high in oct 2007 to its' low in march 2009, and your other quote from the Fed notes it lasted until June 2009.
- Obama wasn't sworn in until january 2009, So that means recession occurred 15 moths before obama was sworn in (not to mention the fact that it was bush who signed the TARP legislation in 2008, may rewatching his press conference in september of that year might help jog you memory - https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2008/09/print/20080924-10.html). It's going to be fun watching you try to maintain the claim that obama caused the recession.

Equally funny watching you try to maintain that the economy never recovered under obama. Since you picked the S&P 500 as an example, this is from https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/041015/what-history-sp-500.asp

"By March 2013, the S&P had recovered all of its losses from the financial crisis soaring past the highs from 2007 and the prior highs from the tech bubble of 2000....... However, the rally didn't end in March 2013 and the S&P continued higher for nearly another seven years. "

Remember sparky (because we know you're having a difficult time with remembering things) Obama was president from january 2009 to january 2017. Since "By March 2013, the S&P had recovered all of its losses from the financial crisis soaring past the highs from 2007 and the prior highs from the tech bubble of 2000", that would _seem_ to indicate that the economy - by _some_ measure - had recovered.

> And the reporting of the Trump economic growth of only 2.4% was fraudulent also but that is the sort of thing you lap up like the rest of the shit you love to claim.

Post proof to the contrary.

> We have seen every single department of our government corrupted by the Democrats. Too bad you weren't in Afghanistan and left behind.

Too bad you made it back from vietnam.

On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 7:57:05 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 9/21/2021 9:47 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 5:07:16 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> >> On Mon, 20 Sep 2021 13:20:13 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 8:21:34 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> >>>> On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 19:18:59 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 6:11:50 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> >>>>>> On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 08:54:59 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >>>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 5:37:13 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "Here is my first design"?? Strange isn't it that while you claim all
> >>>>>>>> sorts of things Jeff reported that he had researched the records and
> >>>>>>>> nowhere could he find any evidence that you had been mentioned in any
> >>>>>>>> patent application, copyright, or any other recording of those who had
> >>>>>>>> developed these devices.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> So essentially your claims have about the same credibility as those
> >>>>>>>> who claim that the earth is flat or the moon made from blue cheese.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Indeed, "Flat Earth Tommy"
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Maybe you should ask Jeff how many patents he has. As any real person that worked a real job knows, the ENGINEER on a project does not hold the patents to those devices. But since you live in LA-LA-LAND you wouldn't know that. Maybe you could look it up on the Internet and then repeat it as if it was some sort of revelation?
> >>>>>> What is the number of patents held by Jeff to do with the fact that
> >>>>>> there is no, or at least, no visible, proof that you were ever even
> >>>>>> near anyone who developed anything.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Standing on the street corner hollering "I'm Wonderful! I'm
> >>>>>> Wonderful!" isn't proof of anything. Well except that you suffer from
> >>>>>> delusions.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> John, we have no visible proof that you were ever in the Air Force. What's more there were no B50's when you were in. So you must be lying correct?
> >>>> No B-50 when I was in the Air Force? According to USAF records the
> >>>> first B-50 was received in 1948 and the last one flew in 1965. I
> >>>> retired in 1972 after 20 years of service.
> >>>>
> >>>> While I do realize that insults are your preferred method of debate I
> >>>> do wish that you would use just a tiny bit of intelligence and make
> >>>> them just a bit logical.
> >>>>
> >>>> I just proof read the above and think that for your edification I
> >>>> should explain that since I retired in 1972 after 20 years I must have
> >>>> enlisted in 1952 and thus my service overlapped the B-50's service by
> >>>> bout 13 years.
> >>>
> >>> Do you always find it so difficult to understand what is said or do you actually do this on purpose.
> >>>
> >>> The B47 first few in 1947 and was the heavy bomber of choice from thereon until delivery of the B52. It was the only bomber that could fly high enough and fast enough to get out of the way of the latest nuclear bombs of that time. A B36 would have been a suicide mission as would a B50.
> >>>
> >>> So they simply repurposed the B50, into the RB50 and the KB50. Stop trying to change history. That you can't understand me chiding you about not being a crew chief on a B50 is telling because you HAD to know that it wasn't a bomber.
> >> Tommy, Tommy! You simply don't know what you are talking about. The
> >> B-47 was first flown in 1947 and while the B-47 first flew in 1947 it
> >> wasn't accepted by the A.F. un till 1951.
> >>
> >> During the Korean war, the 92nd bomb wing, flying B-29's was stationed
> >> at Yokota A.B. in Japan and was probably the primary bomb group during
> >> the Korean war. The B-47 was not used during the Korean war and in
> >> fact never dropped a single bomb in any conflict.
> >>
> >> So, as usual you are right up full of the brown stuff.
> >>
> >> Next lesson.
> >>
> >> In early May of 1954 three B-29's of the 92nd Bomb Wing were prepared
> >> to fly a mission. Full ammunition loads in all turrets, Flak Curtains
> >> in place and a funny bomb rack, apparently capable of holding only a
> >> single bomb was installed in the forward bomb bay.
> >>
> >> We were told that the strange bomb rack was for an "Atom Bomb" and the
> >> flight crew said that they were scheduled to fly, first to Okinawa
> >> where "atom bombs" were said to be stored, by treaty they couldn't be
> >> stored in Japan, then fly to the Philippines and then the actual
> >> bombing mission to Vietnam.
> >>
> >> We stood by, on alert, for about three days and then the we were
> >> "stood down" and the combat gear stripped out of the airplanes and we
> >> never heard any more about it.
> >>
> >> How do I know all this? I was there. A2c, ground crew member on a
> >> B-29.
> >>
> >> Some years later it turned out that during the battle of Battle of
> >> Dien Bien Phu, 13 March and 7 May 1954, the French had apparently
> >> asked the U.S. for assistance and someone alerted the A.F. who
> >> prepared for the mission which, of course, was cancelled when French
> >> surrendered.
> >>
> >> So your argument that nobody but a B-47 or B-52 could drop an Atom
> >> Bomb is simply another of your fanaticizes. In fact the only "atom
> >> bombs" ever dropped in war were dropped from a B-29.
> >
> > John, will you please stop reading shit off of the Internet and thinking that you know the first fucking thing about anything? B29's were used in Korea because they were a HEAVY bomber and not because they were thought to be a nuclear bomber. I have to wonder why you drone on without even the second for a thought about what history is.
> >
> ???
> If some guy needed a nuclear device to be somewhere else, a
> B29 would probably work for that:
>
> https://airandspace.si.edu/exhibitions/enola-gay
>
You could drop one out of a Cesna 150. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W54. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khyZI3RK2lE&ab_channel=Mobius08

-- Jay Beattie.