On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 9:32:57 PM UTC-7, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Sep 2021 09:28:58 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 23 Sep 2021 15:46:16 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> ><cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 3:30:25 PM UTC-7, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 23 Sep 2021 07:51:09 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >John, will you please stop showing your ignorance? The hole caused by that Russian bomb would LEAVE no New York Island. That isn't "fanciful" it is FACT. Those tiny little bombs used on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were AIR explosions' to prevent those sorts of damage. Here is the Russian crater. https://userscontent2.emaze.com/images/eb56287d-efa4-45df-94c0-85c2a750c316/42fec89a3d42a464aa6b875aca16b396.jpg
> >>> That's a photo of the Barringer meteor crater in Arizona. Compare
> >>> photos:
> >>> <https://www.amusingplanet.com/2013/07/the-incredible-barringer-meteor-crater.html>
> >>> Notice the distinctive square shape of the crater, the single
> >>> serpentine road, the buildings where the road hits the crater edge,
> >>> and the old drilling rig in the center of the crater.
> >>>
> >>> I would normally say something insulting at this point, but you seem
> >>> to have done that adequately without my assistance.
>
> >>Well, so what? The label marked it as the tsar bomb. The crater of that AIR BURST is all over the Internet. How is it that you couldn't look it up and see the size of it? Is it your belief that the bombs could erase New York City in its entirety?
>
> >I don't know what is all over the Internet but here is, apparently, a
> >translation from the Russian of the TSAR Bomb explosion see
> >https://www.livescience.com/tsar-bomba-secret-test-footage-declassified.html
> >Which states in part:
> >Though the bomb detonated nearly 2.5 miles (4 kilometers) above
> >ground, the resulting shockwave stripped the island as bare and flat
> >as a skating rink."
> >
> >So your story about destroying Manhattan Island is simply another
> >example of your lack of knowledge of what you are talking about.
> Well, let's do the math or better yet, let's have a web site do it for
> us.
>
> Welcome to NukeMap, which will gladly calculate the devastation caused
> by your favorite nuclear contrivances:
> <https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/?&kt=50000&lat=37.7249&lng=-122..1561&airburst=0&hob_ft=0&crater=1&ff=3&rem=&zm=10>
> - 50 Mt
> - Centered on NY City
> - Air burst.
> While the south end of Manhattan Island will certainly need
> refurbishing, the damage at the north end of the island will be
> exponentially less (inverse square law etc), and certainly not be
> erased. The reason is that past about 15 Mt, the energy of the
> explosion only serves to take a conical section of the atmosphere, and
> shove it into space. If Russia had actually exploded a 100 Mt bomb,
> the results would have bee roughly the same at 50 Mt. This example of
> diminishing returns might explain why all of the cold war warriors
> decided the bigger bombs are not a good idea. With a predicted
> 7,633,390 dead and 4,194,990 injuries, New York City would not be a
> particularly pleasant place to live and work, but then it wasn't much
> better before dropping the Tsar bomb.
>
> I have some spare time available, so I decided it might be interesting
> to try and find the Tsar bomb crater.
>
> What a mess. For example, I found 6 places on Google Earth named
> Novaya Zemlaya. There ware about 4 markers claiming to be the site,
> mostly with craters and features that did not resemble the site of a
> nuclear explosion. There were other craters on Novaya Zemlay Island,
> but all were smaller. The Russian release of a video of the blast was
> somewhat helpful. Starting at 21:16 into the video:
> <https://youtu.be/nbC7BxXtOlo?t=1276>
> it shows a blurry map pointing to the location. I think I may have
> found the location, but with the size of map in the video, it's
> difficult to tell.
> <https://www.livescience.com/tsar-bomba-secret-test-footage-declassified.html>
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbC7BxXtOlo> (40:28)
>
> After many hours of searching with, I settled on two possible craters:
> 1. A circular crater (or hole) on Yuzhny Island at 72.005236°N
> 52.109149°E which does NOT match the location in the video:
> <http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/Tsar-Bomba.kml>
> <http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/Tsar-Bomba-(maybe).jpg>
> However, there's a problem. The crater lip is about twice the
> diameter I would have expected. Unless something happened between
> 1961 and 2005 (Google Earth photo date), this might not be the crater.
> NukeMap Calc Google Earth
> Crater lip radius 1.42 km 2.2 km
> Crater rim radius 0.71 km
> Crater lip area 1.59 km^2 15.5 km^2
> Crater rim area 6.35 km^2
>
> 2. A somewhat circular crater on Yuzhny Island at 71.627315°N
> 52.176820°E which more closely matches the location from the video,
> but is 6.5 times too small in diameter:
> Crater lip radius 1.42 km 0.22 km
> Crater rim radius 0.71 km
> Crater lip area 1.59 km^2 0.15 km^2
> Crater rim area 6.35 km^2
> <www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/tsar-Bomba-2-(maybe).kml>

Yeah, according to Jeff, they would be opening shop in a couple of days. Why am I not surprised that he holds opinions like he does.