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* Bike repair roomMark cleary
`* Re: Bike repair roomFrank Krygowski
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On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 9:08:24 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, October 2, 2021 at 6:00:29 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > On 10/2/2021 5:14 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > On Friday, October 1, 2021 at 6:41:54 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > >> On 10/1/2021 11:10 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> John, there is NO relationship between family income and tuition which is largely due to Professor's income and college growth. Telling people that they need a college education to "get ahead in life" is something that only young kids could fall for. I learned early that people pay for actual work and not someone who proclaims himself an expert.
> > >> There certainly is a strong relationship between level of education and
> > >> income.
> > >> See https://www.bls.gov/emp/chart-unemployment-earnings-education.htm
> > >
> > > Frank, I know that you actually believe that bullshit but it isn't so..
> > :-) Because Tom "remembers" that it isn't so?
> >
> > Tom, they have this thing called the internet. You can use it to look
> > things up. You might even be able to figure out how to post links to
> > relevant information you find, if you get someone to help you.
> >
> > Try it!
> Frank, you have not one clue about what is on the Internet or what it means. You are willing to believe a posting by Georgie Porgie that Trump was a bad President, but you couldn't care less about the economic statements from the Department of the Treasury and the IRS that show differently. This is because you are biased jerk who knows nothing and it quite happy that way..

Funny how you didn't post any links to these economic statements from the Treasury and IRS. Tommy boy, please post a link to the IRS or Treasury page with these marvelous Trump statements. Unless you are too stupid to even know how to open up a second webpage and copy the link and paste it into a reply in this forum. That seems pretty basic to me.

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On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 11:07:56 AM UTC-5, jbeattie wrote:
> On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 8:37:39 AM UTC-7, Sepp Ruf wrote:
> > William Crowell wrote:
> > >> "....I'm just not seeing the dismissal fever thing. I would love
> > >> there to be a dismissal fever because I represent defendants, and it
> > >> would make my life easier."
> > >
> > > Since you represent defendants, no wonder. The liberal USDC judges
> > > don't dismiss the left-wing shit cases that are trying to improperly
> > > change the law and public policy, in derogation of legislative power.
> > > They only dismiss cases wherein the plaintiff is trying to use the
> > > court system to enforce the law, as it was intended to do, because
> > > they think they're too important to hear ordinary cases. The judges
> > > are openly political because if they don't pose and virtue signal as
> > > left-wing, they won't be invited to all the liberal cocktail parties,
> > > and THEN what would they do?
> > Try find a job at some third-rate collage? Or be summoned to dinner at
> > Merkel's Reichskanzlei to be reminded of their own corruptness and to be
> > lectured by the socialist Minister of Justice not to decide on anything
> > important as long as the executive branch is "navigating in uncharted
> > 'pandemic' waters?"
> > <https://bbc-edition.com/international/2021/07/09/despite-lawsuit-against-chancellor-merkel-invites-constitutional-judges-to-the-chancellery-domestic-politics/>
> This is a third rate collage: https://tinyurl.com/4zkt8u6y
>
> -- Jay Beattie.

I'd give him a little leeway on misspelling "college" a school of higher education beyond required high school such as a university and "collage" a group generally of pictures with a common theme maybe. I think he is from Europe so English is not his native language. Kind of like if Lou misspelled a word, I wouldn't raise a critique because he is from Netherlands. Its not like I could spell or even pronounce a Dutch, Flemish, or German word. His name is Sepp Ruf so not exactly American.

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On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 11:04:20 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> Anyone that EVER worked SAC know that they wouldn't let a "crew chief" within 100 yards of an airplane with a wrench in his hand.

Tommy boy, since you are an expert and genius at everything under and over the sun, please explain exactly what a "crew chief" is? I assume it is the boss or supervisor of a group of people who works on an airplane. Right? So please explain why this person would not be allowed within 100 yards of a plane his crew was working on? Or are you saying he could not even touch the tools because he was not a qualified mechanic? I would think the guy supervising and bossing the other airplane mechanics around would need to be a mechanic himself so he knew what he was doing. Generally bosses, supervisors work their way up through the ranks, so they know something about what they are supervising. But you being a genius Tommy boy I'm sure you will explain it all to us.

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 by: John B. - Tue, 5 Oct 2021 03:02 UTC

On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 19:15:48 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 11:04:20 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Anyone that EVER worked SAC know that they wouldn't let a "crew chief" within 100 yards of an airplane with a wrench in his hand.
>
>Tommy boy, since you are an expert and genius at everything under and over the sun, please explain exactly what a "crew chief" is? I assume it is the boss or supervisor of a group of people who works on an airplane. Right? So please explain why this person would not be allowed within 100 yards of a plane his crew was working on? Or are you saying he could not even touch the tools because he was not a qualified mechanic? I would think the guy supervising and bossing the other airplane mechanics around would need to be a mechanic himself so he knew what he was doing. Generally bosses, supervisors work their way up through the ranks, so they know something about what they are supervising. But you being a genius Tommy boy I'm sure you will explain it all to us.

What Tommy is talking about is that "in the old days" each airplane
was assigned a crew to maintain it, a 4 engine bomber would have a
crew of 3 to 4, and as you say the crew was led by a "crew chief".

Then in the early 1960's the Air Force discovered what the commercial
air lines had known for years, that this was not efficient in the
terms of personnel and that instead of some 30 or 40 people to
maintain a fleet of 10 airplanes the same amount of actual work could
be accomplished with, perhaps 20, or less so they converted to the
"specialist" system where the maintenance people are assigned to a
"shop" and are called out to work on aircraft as required.

So today a large airplane has one "crew chief" who is, more or less,
just there to keeps track of things. He will, for example, be there
with the flight crew when they make their pre-flight inspection and if
they find a discrepancy will "call it in" to get a specialist out to
fix it.

Re skill level. From memory, a crew chief on a multi engine bomber
would be an aircraft mechanic, by trade, with a "7" skill level. In
civilian terms a "master mechanic".
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Cheers,

John B.


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