This is the beginning of the end. Election fraud that is done in such a manner that it is detectable on a large scale enough to overcome this sort of success would force the the corrupt FBI to actually take actions and the Attorney General would either prosecute of be thrown out of his position so fast that he wouldn't even see it coming.

On 11/3/2021 11:35 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> This is the beginning of the end. Election fraud that is done in such a manner that it is detectable on a large scale enough to overcome this sort of success would force the the corrupt FBI to actually take actions and the Attorney General would either prosecute of be thrown out of his position so fast that he wouldn't even see it coming.
>

You are such a starry-eyed Pollyana.

'Magic' ballots just happened to appear at 5:30 this morning:

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/dem-phil-murphy-edges-ahead-of-republican-jack-ciattarelli-in-nj-race/ar-AAQhl1U

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Wednesday, November 3, 2021 at 4:53:07 PM UTC, AMuzi wrote:

> 'Magic' ballots just happened to appear at 5:30 this morning:
>
> https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/dem-phil-murphy-edges-ahead-of-republican-jack-ciattarelli-in-nj-race/ar-AAQhl1U
>
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

"Late" mail-in ballots, 5000 per county, need just appear in ten counties, and the Democrat "wins" -- again. Even that tiny part of the European intelligentsia which loves the United States, wonders why the US cannot straighten out their elections. It doesn't cost all that much to run an honest election; even small countries manage it. In fact, it is more a question of will than of money or even skill: the British, who have no problem running elections that everyone can trust, will be happy to send advisors and observers and perhaps even hands-on supervisors, as they do on request for constituent parts of the Commonwealth. This banana-republic crap is becoming too obvious, too iterative, too shameless to be borne much longer.
..
Andre Jute
Americans should try an honest election; they might like it enough to keep doing it.

On Wednesday, November 3, 2021 at 9:53:07 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 11/3/2021 11:35 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > This is the beginning of the end. Election fraud that is done in such a manner that it is detectable on a large scale enough to overcome this sort of success would force the the corrupt FBI to actually take actions and the Attorney General would either prosecute of be thrown out of his position so fast that he wouldn't even see it coming.
> >
> You are such a starry-eyed Pollyana.
>
> 'Magic' ballots just happened to appear at 5:30 this morning:
>
> https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/dem-phil-murphy-edges-ahead-of-republican-jack-ciattarelli-in-nj-race/ar-AAQhl1U

Everyone knows that New Jersey elections have never been honest. But Virginia and Rhode Island Democrat losses?

On Wednesday, November 3, 2021 at 10:34:37 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 3, 2021 at 4:53:07 PM UTC, AMuzi wrote:
>
> > 'Magic' ballots just happened to appear at 5:30 this morning:
> >
> > https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/dem-phil-murphy-edges-ahead-of-republican-jack-ciattarelli-in-nj-race/ar-AAQhl1U
> >
> > --
> > Andrew Muzi
> > <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> > Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> "Late" mail-in ballots, 5000 per county, need just appear in ten counties, and the Democrat "wins" -- again. Even that tiny part of the European intelligentsia which loves the United States, wonders why the US cannot straighten out their elections. It doesn't cost all that much to run an honest election; even small countries manage it. In fact, it is more a question of will than of money or even skill: the British, who have no problem running elections that everyone can trust, will be happy to send advisors and observers and perhaps even hands-on supervisors, as they do on request for constituent parts of the Commonwealth. This banana-republic crap is becoming too obvious, too iterative, too shameless to be borne much longer.
> .
> Andre Jute
> Americans should try an honest election; they might like it enough to keep doing it.

This is because there has never been any punishment for corruption. Neither Party will allow that to happen. This is why Trump was such a breath of fresh air. Jay and Flunkmeister and Pencilneck think that corruption in the pursuit of socialism is more than fine - it is admirable. The only reason they think that is because they see themselves gaining an advantage over others. Instead their lives would become a living hell and they would blame their so hoped for plight on others. the cowardice of leftist forever surprises no one.

On Wed, 3 Nov 2021 10:34:35 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
<fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:

>It doesn't cost all that much to run an honest election; even small countries manage it. In fact, it is more a question of will than of money or even skill: the British, who have no problem running elections that everyone can trust, will be happy to send advisors and observers and perhaps even hands-on supervisors, as they do on request for constituent parts of the Commonwealth. This banana-republic crap is becoming too obvious, too iterative, too shameless to be borne much longer.

Normally, the UN is called in to police elections.

Are you sure that foreign elections are so wonderful?
<https://www.google.com/search?q=foreign+election+violence&tbm=isch>
Bloodless foreign elections seem to be the exception rather than the
rule.

>Americans should try an honest election; they might like it enough to keep doing it.

I think you might find it interesting (or amusing) to see what is
required to become a volunteer poll worker in California:
<https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/poll-worker-information>
For example:

To serve as a poll worker you must be:
A registered California voter or legal resident
of the United States who would be eligible to
vote except for your citizenship status;
An eligible high school student

How one becomes eligible to vote, without also being a citizen, will
remain an mystery. High Skool students? Is the US that desperate for
poll workers?

Full disclosure: I volunteered and worked mostly validating petition
signatures and checking vote counts from about 1981 to 1989. Like
jury duty, it's an interesting experience that should be required
before any criticism can be taken seriously.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 12:32:03 AM UTC, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Nov 2021 10:34:35 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
> <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >It doesn't cost all that much to run an honest election; even small countries manage it. In fact, it is more a question of will than of money or even skill: the British, who have no problem running elections that everyone can trust, will be happy to send advisors and observers and perhaps even hands-on supervisors, as they do on request for constituent parts of the Commonwealth. This banana-republic crap is becoming too obvious, too iterative, too shameless to be borne much longer.
> Normally, the UN is called in to police elections.
>
> Are you sure that foreign elections are so wonderful?
> <https://www.google.com/search?q=foreign+election+violence&tbm=isch>
> Bloodless foreign elections seem to be the exception rather than the
> rule.
> >Americans should try an honest election; they might like it enough to keep doing it.
> I think you might find it interesting (or amusing) to see what is
> required to become a volunteer poll worker in California:
> <https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/poll-worker-information>
> For example:
>
> To serve as a poll worker you must be:
> A registered California voter or legal resident
> of the United States who would be eligible to
> vote except for your citizenship status;
> An eligible high school student
>
> How one becomes eligible to vote, without also being a citizen, will
> remain an mystery. High Skool students? Is the US that desperate for
> poll workers?
>
> Full disclosure: I volunteered and worked mostly validating petition
> signatures and checking vote counts from about 1981 to 1989. Like
> jury duty, it's an interesting experience that should be required
> before any criticism can be taken seriously.
>
>
> --
> Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
> PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Uh-huh. I've worked in several US elections, though at a somewhat more isolated level and long ago, as I've worked in elections in other parts of the world, sometimes to such good effect that I was asked to stay and enter politics. Today American politics is becoming weirder and weirder. -- AJ

On Wednesday, November 3, 2021 at 7:20:13 PM UTC, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 3, 2021 at 10:34:37 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> > On Wednesday, November 3, 2021 at 4:53:07 PM UTC, AMuzi wrote:
> >
> > > 'Magic' ballots just happened to appear at 5:30 this morning:
> > >
> > > https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/dem-phil-murphy-edges-ahead-of-republican-jack-ciattarelli-in-nj-race/ar-AAQhl1U
> > >
> > > --
> > > Andrew Muzi
> > > <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> > > Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> > "Late" mail-in ballots, 5000 per county, need just appear in ten counties, and the Democrat "wins" -- again. Even that tiny part of the European intelligentsia which loves the United States, wonders why the US cannot straighten out their elections. It doesn't cost all that much to run an honest election; even small countries manage it. In fact, it is more a question of will than of money or even skill: the British, who have no problem running elections that everyone can trust, will be happy to send advisors and observers and perhaps even hands-on supervisors, as they do on request for constituent parts of the Commonwealth. This banana-republic crap is becoming too obvious, too iterative, too shameless to be borne much longer.
> > .
> > Andre Jute
> > Americans should try an honest election; they might like it enough to keep doing it.
> This is because there has never been any punishment for corruption. Neither Party will allow that to happen. This is why Trump was such a breath of fresh air. Jay and Flunkmeister and Pencilneck think that corruption in the pursuit of socialism is more than fine - it is admirable.
..
That's one step away from bloodshed in the name of socialism.
..
The only reason they think that is because they see themselves gaining an advantage over others. Instead their lives would become a living hell and they would blame their so hoped for plight on others. the cowardice of leftist forever surprises no one.
..
I have never heard of a Marxist Revolution which didn't put retired college professors in front of a firing squad. Perhaps those concerned for the future growth of cycling should work for socialism!

Andre Jute
Firsthand experience of the fascist form of socialism.

On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 2:37:18 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 12:32:03 AM UTC, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wed, 3 Nov 2021 10:34:35 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
> > <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > >It doesn't cost all that much to run an honest election; even small countries manage it. In fact, it is more a question of will than of money or even skill: the British, who have no problem running elections that everyone can trust, will be happy to send advisors and observers and perhaps even hands-on supervisors, as they do on request for constituent parts of the Commonwealth. This banana-republic crap is becoming too obvious, too iterative, too shameless to be borne much longer.
> > Normally, the UN is called in to police elections.
> >
> > Are you sure that foreign elections are so wonderful?
> > <https://www.google.com/search?q=foreign+election+violence&tbm=isch>
> > Bloodless foreign elections seem to be the exception rather than the
> > rule.
> > >Americans should try an honest election; they might like it enough to keep doing it.
> > I think you might find it interesting (or amusing) to see what is
> > required to become a volunteer poll worker in California:
> > <https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/poll-worker-information>
> > For example:
> >
> > To serve as a poll worker you must be:
> > A registered California voter or legal resident
> > of the United States who would be eligible to
> > vote except for your citizenship status;
> > An eligible high school student
> >
> > How one becomes eligible to vote, without also being a citizen, will
> > remain an mystery. High Skool students? Is the US that desperate for
> > poll workers?
> >
> > Full disclosure: I volunteered and worked mostly validating petition
> > signatures and checking vote counts from about 1981 to 1989. Like
> > jury duty, it's an interesting experience that should be required
> > before any criticism can be taken seriously.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
> > PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> > Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
> > Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
> Uh-huh. I've worked in several US elections, though at a somewhat more isolated level and long ago, as I've worked in elections in other parts of the world, sometimes to such good effect that I was asked to stay and enter politics. Today American politics is becoming weirder and weirder. -- AJ
Do you mean like the New Jersey Election when the Democrat was losing suddenly an entire bundle of Democrat only votes appeared out of nowhere? New Jersey politics at its best.

Am 04.11.2021 um 15:43 schrieb Tom Kunich:
> On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 2:37:18 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
>> On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 12:32:03 AM UTC,
>> jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:

>>> Full disclosure: I volunteered and worked mostly validating
>>> petition signatures and checking vote counts from about 1981 to
>>> 1989. Like jury duty, it's an interesting experience that should
>>> be required before any criticism can be taken seriously.
>>>

>> Uh-huh. I've worked in several US elections, though at a somewhat
>> more isolated level and long ago, as I've worked in elections in
>> other parts of the world, sometimes to such good effect that I was
>> asked to stay and enter politics. Today American politics is
>> becoming weirder and weirder.
>
> Do you mean like the New Jersey Election when the Democrat was losing
> suddenly an entire bundle of Democrat only votes appeared out of
> nowhere? New Jersey politics at its best.

From what I read, it was more like "the election was extremely close,
then a long-counting "democrat only" district returned the result,
giving the Democrat candidate a large push.
Then a long-counting "Republican only" district returned the result,
destroying the Democrat lead again.

Extremely suspicious, I have to say. Whose Gerrymandering was
responsible for most electoral districts being so extremely loaded for
one party or the other rather than all districts being similarly 60-40
one way or other like in Europe?

On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 7:57:33 AM UTC-7, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> Am 04.11.2021 um 15:43 schrieb Tom Kunich:
> > On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 2:37:18 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> >> On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 12:32:03 AM UTC,
> >> jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >>> Full disclosure: I volunteered and worked mostly validating
> >>> petition signatures and checking vote counts from about 1981 to
> >>> 1989. Like jury duty, it's an interesting experience that should
> >>> be required before any criticism can be taken seriously.
> >>>
> >> Uh-huh. I've worked in several US elections, though at a somewhat
> >> more isolated level and long ago, as I've worked in elections in
> >> other parts of the world, sometimes to such good effect that I was
> >> asked to stay and enter politics. Today American politics is
> >> becoming weirder and weirder.
> >
> > Do you mean like the New Jersey Election when the Democrat was losing
> > suddenly an entire bundle of Democrat only votes appeared out of
> > nowhere? New Jersey politics at its best.
> From what I read, it was more like "the election was extremely close,
> then a long-counting "democrat only" district returned the result,
> giving the Democrat candidate a large push.
> Then a long-counting "Republican only" district returned the result,
> destroying the Democrat lead again.
>
> Extremely suspicious, I have to say. Whose Gerrymandering was
> responsible for most electoral districts being so extremely loaded for
> one party or the other rather than all districts being similarly 60-40
> one way or other like in Europe?
Well, in general population centers vote Democrat because it is easier for the machine to operate there undetected. It is much harder in the suburbs and people know each other and how they think. So suburban areas usually vote conservative. So Gerrymandering really isn't that big a problem. The real problem is election fraud and if there were voter ID laws this would disappear.

As I noted before - on Obama's 2nd election, I was the first one to the polls in the morning. When I came out there was a BUS there that had brought and entire load of illegal aliens who all had a piece of paper with a name on it they were supposed to vote under. They had to HAND the election workers these papers because most of them were illiterate and couldn't even read the names they were supposed to vote under. There was such a load that the one person who could speak Spanish couldn't handle it and they had to bring in Translators. Then since these people were illiterate they couldn't read the voting instructions and the translators had to go into the booth with them and show them how to put a line between the space between two side lines. They ONLY wanted to vote for Obama and that was a six page ballot. Then they all got back on the bus and disappeared into the central valley. This was so outrageous that they moved the polling place to the Police Service Yard. That fixed that but to counter that they stopped using the vote counting machines and instead started using suitcases with a slot in top. Microsoft and Dell paid to load the poll workers with far left workers who hand counted the votes. The people in the polls were honest enough but the ballots were all sent to a central location for counting with NO observation.

Now California has enshrined the practice of mass mailings of ballots so that the voters themselves cannot be legalized. We can never again expect a legal election of any sort in California.

Election audits in other states have shown massive Democrat election fraud. As I said - Jay, Flunkmeister and Pencilneck all approve of election fraud in the name of socialism. I hope they get their fondest dreams AFTER I'm gone so that they can discover for themselves the firing squad that awaits those who thought themselves due an exalted position and complain when none was presented.

On Thu, 4 Nov 2021 08:24:16 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>As I noted before - on Obama's 2nd election, I was the first one to the polls in the morning. When I came out there was a BUS there that had brought and entire load of illegal aliens who all had a piece of paper with a name on it they were supposed to vote under. They had to HAND the election workers these papers because most of them were illiterate and couldn't even read the names they were supposed to vote under. There was such a load that the one person who could speak Spanish couldn't handle it and they had to bring in Translators. Then since these people were illiterate they couldn't read the voting instructions and the translators had to go into the booth with them and show them how to put a line between the space between two side lines. They ONLY wanted to vote for Obama and that was a six page ballot. Then they all got back on the bus and disappeared into the central valley. This was so outrageous that they moved the polling place to the Police Service Yard. That fixed that
>but to counter that they stopped using the vote counting machines and instead started using suitcases with a slot in top. Microsoft and Dell paid to load the poll workers with far left workers who hand counted the votes. The people in the polls were honest enough but the ballots were all sent to a central location for counting with NO observation.
>
>Now California has enshrined the practice of mass mailings of ballots so that the voters themselves cannot be legalized. We can never again expect a legal election of any sort in California.
>
>Election audits in other states have shown massive Democrat election fraud. As I said - Jay, Flunkmeister and Pencilneck all approve of election fraud in the name of socialism. I hope they get their fondest dreams AFTER I'm gone so that they can discover for themselves the firing squad that awaits those who thought themselves due an exalted position and complain when none was presented.

Polls open in California at 7AM. Google maps says the drive from
Modesto (roughly the center of the central valley) takes 1.5 hrs. For
you to see them, the bus full of illegal aliens arrived before the
polls opened. I'll assume they arrived at 6:30AM and therefore left
Modesto at 5AM. The presidential election was in November, when the
sun rises at about 7AM. Most illegal aliens don't have drivers
licenses, which might create a problem parking wherever they were
meeting in Modesto.

Somehow, I find it difficult to believe that someone can organize a
busload of illegal aliens, who are more afraid of getting deported
than anything the Democrats can offer or threaten, to arrive at some
central location in Modesto where they are transported to San Leandro
to vote. I'm sure they felt wonderful after spending 3 hrs in the
bus. Note that you said "a BUS" which suggests only one bus, with a
maximum capacity of 58 riders.

I assume that the same practice was followed by all the various voting
places in California and that your favored polling place was not
selected for special treatment by the Democrats. Organizing a
required number of busses would be a major challenge. Finding the
required number of bus drivers willing to leave Modesto at 5AM will
also be a major problem. Even do, 54 illegal aliens, voting in 24
precincts in San Leandro,
<https://www.acgov.org/rov_app/pollinglist?electionid=243>
would sway the vote by 1,296 votes. That might sway a local election,
but would need some serious organization to make it work on a national
scale for a presidential election. Of course, the concentration of
busses in the central valley would need to be ignored.

Having Microsoft and Dell pay "to load the poll workers with far left
workers" wouldn't work. Poll workers are screened for such biases. In
some counties, they are not assigned to work in their home precincts
to avoid local influence. There are a fair number of last minute
polling place staffing changes making targeting difficult. Since this
requires working when the polls are open or 15 hours per day, the
typical poll worker is retired and therefore does not need to make
special arrangements with employers. Some of the requirements:
- Complete the required two-day (consecutive) in-person training.
- Be available up to eight days during the two weeks leading
up to Election Day.
- Have reliable transportation to and from your assigned voting
location each day.

Also, you really should volunteer as a poll worker. Note the pay
scale. For Alameda county:
"SUMMARY OF ELECTION WORKER PAY AND DUTIES"
<https://www.acvote.org/acvote-assets/05_community_engagement/PDFs/Summary%20of%20Poll%20Worker%20Pay%20and%20Duties.pdf>
"Become a Poll Worker"
<https://www.acvote.org/pollworker>

Next time you find it necessary to lie, please provide something more
plausible and include some corroboration.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On 11/4/2021 9:57 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> Am 04.11.2021 um 15:43 schrieb Tom Kunich:
>> On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 2:37:18 AM UTC-7, Andre
>> Jute wrote:
>>> On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 12:32:03 AM UTC,
>>> jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>>> Full disclosure: I volunteered and worked mostly validating
>>>> petition signatures and checking vote counts from about
>>>> 1981 to
>>>> 1989. Like jury duty, it's an interesting experience
>>>> that should
>>>> be required before any criticism can be taken seriously.
>>>>
>
>>> Uh-huh. I've worked in several US elections, though at a
>>> somewhat
>>> more isolated level and long ago, as I've worked in
>>> elections in
>>> other parts of the world, sometimes to such good effect
>>> that I was
>>> asked to stay and enter politics. Today American politics is
>>> becoming weirder and weirder.
> >
>> Do you mean like the New Jersey Election when the Democrat
>> was losing
>> suddenly an entire bundle of Democrat only votes appeared
>> out of
>> nowhere? New Jersey politics at its best.
>
> From what I read, it was more like "the election was
> extremely close, then a long-counting "democrat only"
> district returned the result, giving the Democrat candidate
> a large push.
> Then a long-counting "Republican only" district returned the
> result, destroying the Democrat lead again.
>
> Extremely suspicious, I have to say. Whose Gerrymandering
> was responsible for most electoral districts being so
> extremely loaded for one party or the other rather than all
> districts being similarly 60-40 one way or other like in
> Europe?
>

It's New Jersey. That explains everything.

https://www.projectveritas.com/news/illegal-conduct-new-jersey-gubernatorial-election-worker-tells-non-citizen/

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 11/4/2021 11:37 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Nov 2021 08:24:16 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> As I noted before - on Obama's 2nd election, I was the first one to the polls in the morning. When I came out there was a BUS there that had brought and entire load of illegal aliens who all had a piece of paper with a name on it they were supposed to vote under. They had to HAND the election workers these papers because most of them were illiterate and couldn't even read the names they were supposed to vote under. There was such a load that the one person who could speak Spanish couldn't handle it and they had to bring in Translators. Then since these people were illiterate they couldn't read the voting instructions and the translators had to go into the booth with them and show them how to put a line between the space between two side lines. They ONLY wanted to vote for Obama and that was a six page ballot. Then they all got back on the bus and disappeared into the central valley. This was so outrageous that they moved the polling place to the Police Service Yard. That fixed th
at
>> but to counter that they stopped using the vote counting machines and instead started using suitcases with a slot in top. Microsoft and Dell paid to load the poll workers with far left workers who hand counted the votes. The people in the polls were honest enough but the ballots were all sent to a central location for counting with NO observation.
>>
>> Now California has enshrined the practice of mass mailings of ballots so that the voters themselves cannot be legalized. We can never again expect a legal election of any sort in California.
>>
>> Election audits in other states have shown massive Democrat election fraud. As I said - Jay, Flunkmeister and Pencilneck all approve of election fraud in the name of socialism. I hope they get their fondest dreams AFTER I'm gone so that they can discover for themselves the firing squad that awaits those who thought themselves due an exalted position and complain when none was presented.
>
> Polls open in California at 7AM. Google maps says the drive from
> Modesto (roughly the center of the central valley) takes 1.5 hrs. For
> you to see them, the bus full of illegal aliens arrived before the
> polls opened. I'll assume they arrived at 6:30AM and therefore left
> Modesto at 5AM. The presidential election was in November, when the
> sun rises at about 7AM. Most illegal aliens don't have drivers
> licenses, which might create a problem parking wherever they were
> meeting in Modesto.
>
> Somehow, I find it difficult to believe that someone can organize a
> busload of illegal aliens, who are more afraid of getting deported
> than anything the Democrats can offer or threaten, to arrive at some
> central location in Modesto where they are transported to San Leandro
> to vote. I'm sure they felt wonderful after spending 3 hrs in the
> bus. Note that you said "a BUS" which suggests only one bus, with a
> maximum capacity of 58 riders.
>
> I assume that the same practice was followed by all the various voting
> places in California and that your favored polling place was not
> selected for special treatment by the Democrats. Organizing a
> required number of busses would be a major challenge. Finding the
> required number of bus drivers willing to leave Modesto at 5AM will
> also be a major problem. Even do, 54 illegal aliens, voting in 24
> precincts in San Leandro,
> <https://www.acgov.org/rov_app/pollinglist?electionid=243>
> would sway the vote by 1,296 votes. That might sway a local election,
> but would need some serious organization to make it work on a national
> scale for a presidential election. Of course, the concentration of
> busses in the central valley would need to be ignored.
>
> Having Microsoft and Dell pay "to load the poll workers with far left
> workers" wouldn't work. Poll workers are screened for such biases. In
> some counties, they are not assigned to work in their home precincts
> to avoid local influence. There are a fair number of last minute
> polling place staffing changes making targeting difficult. Since this
> requires working when the polls are open or 15 hours per day, the
> typical poll worker is retired and therefore does not need to make
> special arrangements with employers. Some of the requirements:
> - Complete the required two-day (consecutive) in-person training.
> - Be available up to eight days during the two weeks leading
> up to Election Day.
> - Have reliable transportation to and from your assigned voting
> location each day.
>
> Also, you really should volunteer as a poll worker. Note the pay
> scale. For Alameda county:
> "SUMMARY OF ELECTION WORKER PAY AND DUTIES"
> <https://www.acvote.org/acvote-assets/05_community_engagement/PDFs/Summary%20of%20Poll%20Worker%20Pay%20and%20Duties.pdf>
> "Become a Poll Worker"
> <https://www.acvote.org/pollworker>
>
> Next time you find it necessary to lie, please provide something more
> plausible and include some corroboration.
>
>

I don't know from illegal or California but in Madison WI
buses go from ward to ward all day long.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 9:37:54 AM UTC-7, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Nov 2021 08:24:16 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >As I noted before - on Obama's 2nd election, I was the first one to the polls in the morning. When I came out there was a BUS there that had brought and entire load of illegal aliens who all had a piece of paper with a name on it they were supposed to vote under. They had to HAND the election workers these papers because most of them were illiterate and couldn't even read the names they were supposed to vote under. There was such a load that the one person who could speak Spanish couldn't handle it and they had to bring in Translators. Then since these people were illiterate they couldn't read the voting instructions and the translators had to go into the booth with them and show them how to put a line between the space between two side lines. They ONLY wanted to vote for Obama and that was a six page ballot. Then they all got back on the bus and disappeared into the central valley. This was so outrageous that they moved the polling place to the Police Service Yard. That fixed that
> >but to counter that they stopped using the vote counting machines and instead started using suitcases with a slot in top. Microsoft and Dell paid to load the poll workers with far left workers who hand counted the votes. The people in the polls were honest enough but the ballots were all sent to a central location for counting with NO observation.
> >
> >Now California has enshrined the practice of mass mailings of ballots so that the voters themselves cannot be legalized. We can never again expect a legal election of any sort in California.
> >
> >Election audits in other states have shown massive Democrat election fraud. As I said - Jay, Flunkmeister and Pencilneck all approve of election fraud in the name of socialism. I hope they get their fondest dreams AFTER I'm gone so that they can discover for themselves the firing squad that awaits those who thought themselves due an exalted position and complain when none was presented.
> Polls open in California at 7AM. Google maps says the drive from
> Modesto (roughly the center of the central valley) takes 1.5 hrs. For
> you to see them, the bus full of illegal aliens arrived before the
> polls opened. I'll assume they arrived at 6:30AM and therefore left
> Modesto at 5AM. The presidential election was in November, when the
> sun rises at about 7AM. Most illegal aliens don't have drivers
> licenses, which might create a problem parking wherever they were
> meeting in Modesto.
>
> Somehow, I find it difficult to believe that someone can organize a
> busload of illegal aliens, who are more afraid of getting deported
> than anything the Democrats can offer or threaten, to arrive at some
> central location in Modesto where they are transported to San Leandro
> to vote. I'm sure they felt wonderful after spending 3 hrs in the
> bus. Note that you said "a BUS" which suggests only one bus, with a
> maximum capacity of 58 riders.
>
> I assume that the same practice was followed by all the various voting
> places in California and that your favored polling place was not
> selected for special treatment by the Democrats. Organizing a
> required number of busses would be a major challenge. Finding the
> required number of bus drivers willing to leave Modesto at 5AM will
> also be a major problem. Even do, 54 illegal aliens, voting in 24
> precincts in San Leandro,
> <https://www.acgov.org/rov_app/pollinglist?electionid=243>
> would sway the vote by 1,296 votes. That might sway a local election,
> but would need some serious organization to make it work on a national
> scale for a presidential election. Of course, the concentration of
> busses in the central valley would need to be ignored.
>
> Having Microsoft and Dell pay "to load the poll workers with far left
> workers" wouldn't work. Poll workers are screened for such biases. In
> some counties, they are not assigned to work in their home precincts
> to avoid local influence. There are a fair number of last minute
> polling place staffing changes making targeting difficult. Since this
> requires working when the polls are open or 15 hours per day, the
> typical poll worker is retired and therefore does not need to make
> special arrangements with employers. Some of the requirements:
> - Complete the required two-day (consecutive) in-person training.
> - Be available up to eight days during the two weeks leading
> up to Election Day.
> - Have reliable transportation to and from your assigned voting
> location each day.
>
> Also, you really should volunteer as a poll worker. Note the pay
> scale. For Alameda county:
> "SUMMARY OF ELECTION WORKER PAY AND DUTIES"
> <https://www.acvote.org/acvote-assets/05_community_engagement/PDFs/Summary%20of%20Poll%20Worker%20Pay%20and%20Duties.pdf>
> "Become a Poll Worker"
> <https://www.acvote.org/pollworker>
>
> Next time you find it necessary to lie, please provide something more
> plausible and include some corroboration.

So you can't prevent yourself from being a weasel can you? Didn't I say that I was the first one there to vote. I would expect anyone that ability to think would know that they were all there when I came out. And you're being inventive about how many people were on that bus as well. Poor sick little man on your last legs and still committing sin as if you were not about to meet your maker. We know which direction you will be going from there. They moved the polls from the grade school a couple of blocks to the police service yard but even that doesn't ring a bell in that sick little head.

On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 11:55:16 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 11/4/2021 9:57 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> > Am 04.11.2021 um 15:43 schrieb Tom Kunich:
> >> On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 2:37:18 AM UTC-7, Andre
> >> Jute wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 12:32:03 AM UTC,
> >>> jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> >>>> Full disclosure: I volunteered and worked mostly validating
> >>>> petition signatures and checking vote counts from about
> >>>> 1981 to
> >>>> 1989. Like jury duty, it's an interesting experience
> >>>> that should
> >>>> be required before any criticism can be taken seriously.
> >>>>
> >
> >>> Uh-huh. I've worked in several US elections, though at a
> >>> somewhat
> >>> more isolated level and long ago, as I've worked in
> >>> elections in
> >>> other parts of the world, sometimes to such good effect
> >>> that I was
> >>> asked to stay and enter politics. Today American politics is
> >>> becoming weirder and weirder.
> > >
> >> Do you mean like the New Jersey Election when the Democrat
> >> was losing
> >> suddenly an entire bundle of Democrat only votes appeared
> >> out of
> >> nowhere? New Jersey politics at its best.
> >
> > From what I read, it was more like "the election was
> > extremely close, then a long-counting "democrat only"
> > district returned the result, giving the Democrat candidate
> > a large push.
> > Then a long-counting "Republican only" district returned the
> > result, destroying the Democrat lead again.
> >
> > Extremely suspicious, I have to say. Whose Gerrymandering
> > was responsible for most electoral districts being so
> > extremely loaded for one party or the other rather than all
> > districts being similarly 60-40 one way or other like in
> > Europe?
> >
> It's New Jersey. That explains everything.
>
> https://www.projectveritas.com/news/illegal-conduct-new-jersey-gubernatorial-election-worker-tells-non-citizen/

Better be careful, Jeff will say you're lying.

On Thu, 4 Nov 2021 08:24:16 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 7:57:33 AM UTC-7, Rolf Mantel wrote:
>> Am 04.11.2021 um 15:43 schrieb Tom Kunich:
>> > On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 2:37:18 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
>> >> On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 12:32:03 AM UTC,
>> >> jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> >>> Full disclosure: I volunteered and worked mostly validating
>> >>> petition signatures and checking vote counts from about 1981 to
>> >>> 1989. Like jury duty, it's an interesting experience that should
>> >>> be required before any criticism can be taken seriously.
>> >>>
>> >> Uh-huh. I've worked in several US elections, though at a somewhat
>> >> more isolated level and long ago, as I've worked in elections in
>> >> other parts of the world, sometimes to such good effect that I was
>> >> asked to stay and enter politics. Today American politics is
>> >> becoming weirder and weirder.
>> >
>> > Do you mean like the New Jersey Election when the Democrat was losing
>> > suddenly an entire bundle of Democrat only votes appeared out of
>> > nowhere? New Jersey politics at its best.
>> From what I read, it was more like "the election was extremely close,
>> then a long-counting "democrat only" district returned the result,
>> giving the Democrat candidate a large push.
>> Then a long-counting "Republican only" district returned the result,
>> destroying the Democrat lead again.
>>
>> Extremely suspicious, I have to say. Whose Gerrymandering was
>> responsible for most electoral districts being so extremely loaded for
>> one party or the other rather than all districts being similarly 60-40
>> one way or other like in Europe?
>Well, in general population centers vote Democrat because it is easier for the machine to operate there undetected. It is much harder in the suburbs and people know each other and how they think. So suburban areas usually vote conservative. So Gerrymandering really isn't that big a problem. The real problem is election fraud and if there were voter ID laws this would disappear.
>
>As I noted before - on Obama's 2nd election, I was the first one to the polls in the morning. When I came out there was a BUS there that had brought and entire load of illegal aliens who all had a piece of paper with a name on it they were supposed to vote under. They had to HAND the election workers these papers because most of them were illiterate and couldn't even read the names they were supposed to vote under. There was such a load that the one person who could speak Spanish couldn't handle it and they had to bring in Translators. Then since these people were illiterate they couldn't read the voting instructions and the translators had to go into the booth with them and show them how to put a line between the space between two side lines. They ONLY wanted to vote for Obama and that was a six page ballot. Then they all got back on the bus and disappeared into the central valley. This was so outrageous that they moved the polling place to the Police Service Yard. That fixed that
>but to counter that they stopped using the vote counting machines and instead started using suitcases with a slot in top. Microsoft and Dell paid to load the poll workers with far left workers who hand counted the votes. The people in the polls were honest enough but the ballots were all sent to a central location for counting with NO observation.
>
>Now California has enshrined the practice of mass mailings of ballots so that the voters themselves cannot be legalized. We can never again expect a legal election of any sort in California.
>
>Election audits in other states have shown massive Democrat election fraud. As I said - Jay, Flunkmeister and Pencilneck all approve of election fraud in the name of socialism. I hope they get their fondest dreams AFTER I'm gone so that they can discover for themselves the firing squad that awaits those who thought themselves due an exalted position and complain when none was presented.

Nope Tommy, it isn't just your detractors that "approve" of voter
fraud. there have been something like 40 claims made to various
courts, through out the U.S. None of which have ruled that voter fraud
happened.

So apparently we have one of two alternates. (1) Voter Fraud never
occurred, or (2) Republicans are too stupid to be able to bring a
provable case to the courts.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Thu, 4 Nov 2021 13:30:50 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 9:37:54 AM UTC-7, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Thu, 4 Nov 2021 08:24:16 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >As I noted before - on Obama's 2nd election, I was the first one to the polls in the morning. When I came out there was a BUS there that had brought and entire load of illegal aliens who all had a piece of paper with a name on it they were supposed to vote under. (...)

>So you can't prevent yourself from being a weasel can you? Didn't I say that I was the first one there to vote. I would expect anyone that ability to think would know that they were all there when I came out. And you're being inventive about how many people were on that bus as well. Poor sick little man on your last legs and still committing sin as if you were not about to meet your maker. We know which direction you will be going from there. They moved the polls from the grade school a couple of blocks to the police service yard but even that doesn't ring a bell in that sick little head.

When you can't defend your claims or answer questions, you usually
just change the topic. This time, you decided to attack your critic
instead, probably hoping to shift the discussion into an exchange of
personal insults. Well done.

You wrote "on Obama's 2nd election, I was the first one to the polls
in the morning." Now you add "that they were all there when I came
out". So how long did it take for you to vote versus how long did it
take for 56 illegal aliens to vote? Hint: It doesn't matter since
all I wanted to do was establish when both you and the bus arrived at
the polling place, which is when it opened at 7AM.

Incidentally, I goofed. The capacity of a bus without wheel chair
access is 58 and with wheel chair access is 54.

I had to guess at the number of bus riders. So, I Googled for the
number of passengers in a full size chartered bus. Click "Read More"
under "How many seats are on a charter bus?":
<https://escotbuslines.com/charter-bus-frequently-asked-questions/>
"Our smallest charter bus has 38 climate-controlled
seats amongst other amenity choices such as Wi-Fi. The
next size up is our spacious 47 seat charter bus. Our
largest charter bus can accommodate up to 56 people in
a luxurious, deluxe motor coach fully equipped with 56
climate-controlled seats."
Instead of my guess, perhaps you might consider disclosing the size of
the bus you allegedly observed? Counting windows would be sufficient
to determine the maximum number of passengers. When you're done with
that, please calculate the number of illegal alien voters required to
swing a presidential election. It might also be helpful to know how
many voters died in the previous 8 years since their voter
registration information would be needed to deliver ballots to the
illegal aliens.

Also, was there one bus for every polling place in San Leandro?
<https://www.acgov.org/rov_app/pollinglist?electionid=235>
I count 84 polling places. Where would one get 84 large charter
busses for 84 * 58 = 4,872 illegal alien voters? Did Microsoft and
Dell buy them a free breakfast or lunch? If you're going to concoct
such a tale, it would help if it were plausible.

Incidentally, the polls at the local grade skools are set in concrete
and are not easily moved.

[ I forgot to keep track, buy my guess is I wasted about 30 minute
keeping Tom entertained ]

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Friday, November 5, 2021 at 12:37:06 a.m. UTC-4, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Nov 2021 13:30:50 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 9:37:54 AM UTC-7, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Thu, 4 Nov 2021 08:24:16 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >As I noted before - on Obama's 2nd election, I was the first one to the polls in the morning. When I came out there was a BUS there that had brought and entire load of illegal aliens who all had a piece of paper with a name on it they were supposed to vote under. (...)
> >So you can't prevent yourself from being a weasel can you? Didn't I say that I was the first one there to vote. I would expect anyone that ability to think would know that they were all there when I came out. And you're being inventive about how many people were on that bus as well. Poor sick little man on your last legs and still committing sin as if you were not about to meet your maker. We know which direction you will be going from there. They moved the polls from the grade school a couple of blocks to the police service yard but even that doesn't ring a bell in that sick little head.
> When you can't defend your claims or answer questions, you usually
> just change the topic. This time, you decided to attack your critic
> instead, probably hoping to shift the discussion into an exchange of
> personal insults. Well done.
>
> You wrote "on Obama's 2nd election, I was the first one to the polls
> in the morning." Now you add "that they were all there when I came
> out". So how long did it take for you to vote versus how long did it
> take for 56 illegal aliens to vote? Hint: It doesn't matter since
> all I wanted to do was establish when both you and the bus arrived at
> the polling place, which is when it opened at 7AM.
>
> Incidentally, I goofed. The capacity of a bus without wheel chair
> access is 58 and with wheel chair access is 54.
>
> I had to guess at the number of bus riders. So, I Googled for the
> number of passengers in a full size chartered bus. Click "Read More"
> under "How many seats are on a charter bus?":
> <https://escotbuslines.com/charter-bus-frequently-asked-questions/>
> "Our smallest charter bus has 38 climate-controlled
> seats amongst other amenity choices such as Wi-Fi. The
> next size up is our spacious 47 seat charter bus. Our
> largest charter bus can accommodate up to 56 people in
> a luxurious, deluxe motor coach fully equipped with 56
> climate-controlled seats."
> Instead of my guess, perhaps you might consider disclosing the size of
> the bus you allegedly observed? Counting windows would be sufficient
> to determine the maximum number of passengers. When you're done with
> that, please calculate the number of illegal alien voters required to
> swing a presidential election. It might also be helpful to know how
> many voters died in the previous 8 years since their voter
> registration information would be needed to deliver ballots to the
> illegal aliens.
>
> Also, was there one bus for every polling place in San Leandro?
> <https://www.acgov.org/rov_app/pollinglist?electionid=235>
> I count 84 polling places. Where would one get 84 large charter
> busses for 84 * 58 = 4,872 illegal alien voters? Did Microsoft and
> Dell buy them a free breakfast or lunch? If you're going to concoct
> such a tale, it would help if it were plausible.
>
> Incidentally, the polls at the local grade skools are set in concrete
> and are not easily moved.
>
> [ I forgot to keep track, buy my guess is I wasted about 30 minute
> keeping Tom entertained ]
> --
> Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
> PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

And bypassed all the killfiles people have on him.

Cheers

On Thu, 04 Nov 2021 14:00:56 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>I don't know from illegal or California but in Madison WI
>buses go from ward to ward all day long.

Sure, but do they go the 110 miles from the California "central
valley" to San Leandro CA all day long?
<https://goo.gl/maps/eCUKhyaXt9jFjYoA8>
They would need to do so if they were to transport whatever number of
illegal alien voters were necessary to influence a presidential
election. I don't know if there are a sufficient number of charter
buses or deceased voters available to accomplish much. Since this
illegal alien voting is Tom's claim, I'll wait for him to provide the
numbers.

Maybe I'll help a little.
<https://www.bts.gov/content/bus-profile>
In 2019, there were 28,850 charter buses in the USA.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Thu, 4 Nov 2021 21:46:26 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
<i_am_cycle_pathic@yahoo.ca> wrote:

>On Friday, November 5, 2021 at 12:37:06 a.m. UTC-4, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>> [ I forgot to keep track, buy my guess is I wasted about 30 minute
>> keeping Tom entertained ]

>And bypassed all the killfiles people have on him.
>Cheers

Notice that I truncated most of what Tom scribbled and quoted to
lessen the impact. My guess is about 80% of the previous posting was
new content added by me. I only quote what is necessary for a reader
to see what I'm talking about, and delete anything irrelevant or
insulting. I just wish others would edit quotes. It's difficult to
scroll through 300 lines of quotes in order to read a one line
comment.

Fortunately, the problem is easily solved. Just add me to your kill
file and you'll never see my replies. The catch is that this might
not work because Tom generates about 40% of the messages posted in RBT
and has a rather large fan club (including me) eager to correct his
many errors. It's likely that some of Tom's stuff will leak through.

I've tried to ignore Tom and later ignore RBT to avoid becoming part
of the problem. It didn't work. Tom is like someone hanging a bulls
eye target by the side of the road. It's just too tempting to take a
shot at it. So, I've adopted a compromise strategy. I stay away from
RBT for a week or two, post a few comments, and then disappear again.
I'll try that for a while longer to see how it works. So far, I've
gained about an hour per day of useful time.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Thu, 04 Nov 2021 22:00:45 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Thu, 04 Nov 2021 14:00:56 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>>I don't know from illegal or California but in Madison WI
>>buses go from ward to ward all day long.
>
>Sure, but do they go the 110 miles from the California "central
>valley" to San Leandro CA all day long?
><https://goo.gl/maps/eCUKhyaXt9jFjYoA8>
>They would need to do so if they were to transport whatever number of
>illegal alien voters were necessary to influence a presidential
>election. I don't know if there are a sufficient number of charter
>buses or deceased voters available to accomplish much. Since this
>illegal alien voting is Tom's claim, I'll wait for him to provide the
>numbers.
>
>Maybe I'll help a little.
><https://www.bts.gov/content/bus-profile>
>In 2019, there were 28,850 charter buses in the USA.

All this bussing is (sort of) interesting as I read that only about 9%
of American families DO NOT have a car, so all this bussing is for
less then 10% of the population.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 4:04:26 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Nov 2021 08:24:16 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 7:57:33 AM UTC-7, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> >> Am 04.11.2021 um 15:43 schrieb Tom Kunich:
> >> > On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 2:37:18 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> >> >> On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 12:32:03 AM UTC,
> >> >> jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >> >>> Full disclosure: I volunteered and worked mostly validating
> >> >>> petition signatures and checking vote counts from about 1981 to
> >> >>> 1989. Like jury duty, it's an interesting experience that should
> >> >>> be required before any criticism can be taken seriously.
> >> >>>
> >> >> Uh-huh. I've worked in several US elections, though at a somewhat
> >> >> more isolated level and long ago, as I've worked in elections in
> >> >> other parts of the world, sometimes to such good effect that I was
> >> >> asked to stay and enter politics. Today American politics is
> >> >> becoming weirder and weirder.
> >> >
> >> > Do you mean like the New Jersey Election when the Democrat was losing
> >> > suddenly an entire bundle of Democrat only votes appeared out of
> >> > nowhere? New Jersey politics at its best.
> >> From what I read, it was more like "the election was extremely close,
> >> then a long-counting "democrat only" district returned the result,
> >> giving the Democrat candidate a large push.
> >> Then a long-counting "Republican only" district returned the result,
> >> destroying the Democrat lead again.
> >>
> >> Extremely suspicious, I have to say. Whose Gerrymandering was
> >> responsible for most electoral districts being so extremely loaded for
> >> one party or the other rather than all districts being similarly 60-40
> >> one way or other like in Europe?
> >Well, in general population centers vote Democrat because it is easier for the machine to operate there undetected. It is much harder in the suburbs and people know each other and how they think. So suburban areas usually vote conservative. So Gerrymandering really isn't that big a problem. The real problem is election fraud and if there were voter ID laws this would disappear.
> >
> >As I noted before - on Obama's 2nd election, I was the first one to the polls in the morning. When I came out there was a BUS there that had brought and entire load of illegal aliens who all had a piece of paper with a name on it they were supposed to vote under. They had to HAND the election workers these papers because most of them were illiterate and couldn't even read the names they were supposed to vote under. There was such a load that the one person who could speak Spanish couldn't handle it and they had to bring in Translators. Then since these people were illiterate they couldn't read the voting instructions and the translators had to go into the booth with them and show them how to put a line between the space between two side lines. They ONLY wanted to vote for Obama and that was a six page ballot. Then they all got back on the bus and disappeared into the central valley. This was so outrageous that they moved the polling place to the Police Service Yard. That fixed that
> >but to counter that they stopped using the vote counting machines and instead started using suitcases with a slot in top. Microsoft and Dell paid to load the poll workers with far left workers who hand counted the votes. The people in the polls were honest enough but the ballots were all sent to a central location for counting with NO observation.
> >
> >Now California has enshrined the practice of mass mailings of ballots so that the voters themselves cannot be legalized. We can never again expect a legal election of any sort in California.
> >
> >Election audits in other states have shown massive Democrat election fraud. As I said - Jay, Flunkmeister and Pencilneck all approve of election fraud in the name of socialism. I hope they get their fondest dreams AFTER I'm gone so that they can discover for themselves the firing squad that awaits those who thought themselves due an exalted position and complain when none was presented.
> Nope Tommy, it isn't just your detractors that "approve" of voter
> fraud. there have been something like 40 claims made to various
> courts, through out the U.S. None of which have ruled that voter fraud
> happened.
>
> So apparently we have one of two alternates. (1) Voter Fraud never
> occurred, or (2) Republicans are too stupid to be able to bring a
> provable case to the courts.
https://www.christianitydaily.com/articles/11193/20210318/voter-fraud-trump-vindicated-by-michigan-court-ruling-saying-secretary-of-state-broke-law-on-absentee-ballots.htm

On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 9:37:06 PM UTC-7, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Nov 2021 13:30:50 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 9:37:54 AM UTC-7, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Thu, 4 Nov 2021 08:24:16 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >As I noted before - on Obama's 2nd election, I was the first one to the polls in the morning. When I came out there was a BUS there that had brought and entire load of illegal aliens who all had a piece of paper with a name on it they were supposed to vote under. (...)
> >So you can't prevent yourself from being a weasel can you? Didn't I say that I was the first one there to vote. I would expect anyone that ability to think would know that they were all there when I came out. And you're being inventive about how many people were on that bus as well. Poor sick little man on your last legs and still committing sin as if you were not about to meet your maker. We know which direction you will be going from there. They moved the polls from the grade school a couple of blocks to the police service yard but even that doesn't ring a bell in that sick little head.
> When you can't defend your claims or answer questions, you usually
> just change the topic. This time, you decided to attack your critic
> instead, probably hoping to shift the discussion into an exchange of
> personal insults. Well done.
>
> You wrote "on Obama's 2nd election, I was the first one to the polls
> in the morning." Now you add "that they were all there when I came
> out". So how long did it take for you to vote versus how long did it
> take for 56 illegal aliens to vote? Hint: It doesn't matter since
> all I wanted to do was establish when both you and the bus arrived at
> the polling place, which is when it opened at 7AM.
>
> Incidentally, I goofed. The capacity of a bus without wheel chair
> access is 58 and with wheel chair access is 54.
>
> I had to guess at the number of bus riders. So, I Googled for the
> number of passengers in a full size chartered bus. Click "Read More"
> under "How many seats are on a charter bus?":
> <https://escotbuslines.com/charter-bus-frequently-asked-questions/>
> "Our smallest charter bus has 38 climate-controlled
> seats amongst other amenity choices such as Wi-Fi. The
> next size up is our spacious 47 seat charter bus. Our
> largest charter bus can accommodate up to 56 people in
> a luxurious, deluxe motor coach fully equipped with 56
> climate-controlled seats."
> Instead of my guess, perhaps you might consider disclosing the size of
> the bus you allegedly observed? Counting windows would be sufficient
> to determine the maximum number of passengers. When you're done with
> that, please calculate the number of illegal alien voters required to
> swing a presidential election. It might also be helpful to know how
> many voters died in the previous 8 years since their voter
> registration information would be needed to deliver ballots to the
> illegal aliens.
>
> Also, was there one bus for every polling place in San Leandro?
> <https://www.acgov.org/rov_app/pollinglist?electionid=235>
> I count 84 polling places. Where would one get 84 large charter
> busses for 84 * 58 = 4,872 illegal alien voters? Did Microsoft and
> Dell buy them a free breakfast or lunch? If you're going to concoct
> such a tale, it would help if it were plausible.
>
> Incidentally, the polls at the local grade skools are set in concrete
> and are not easily moved.
>
> [ I forgot to keep track, buy my guess is I wasted about 30 minute
> keeping Tom entertained ]

City | Transit Buses have average lengths of 39’2” (11.95 m), widths of 8’4” (2.55 m), heights of 9’10” (2.99 m), and have a capacity of 29 (+1) seats with standing room for 76.

Why is this at odds with your claims? What is 29 + 76?

On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 10:43:04 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Nov 2021 22:00:45 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
> wrote:
> >On Thu, 04 Nov 2021 14:00:56 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >
> >>I don't know from illegal or California but in Madison WI
> >>buses go from ward to ward all day long.
> >
> >Sure, but do they go the 110 miles from the California "central
> >valley" to San Leandro CA all day long?
> ><https://goo.gl/maps/eCUKhyaXt9jFjYoA8>
> >They would need to do so if they were to transport whatever number of
> >illegal alien voters were necessary to influence a presidential
> >election. I don't know if there are a sufficient number of charter
> >buses or deceased voters available to accomplish much. Since this
> >illegal alien voting is Tom's claim, I'll wait for him to provide the
> >numbers.
> >
> >Maybe I'll help a little.
> ><https://www.bts.gov/content/bus-profile>
> >In 2019, there were 28,850 charter buses in the USA.
> All this bussing is (sort of) interesting as I read that only about 9%
> of American families DO NOT have a car, so all this bussing is for
> less then 10% of the population.

Did you also read that in highly urban areas that there is little to no parking and so people that may own 4 cars take the bus or the ferry to work? Perhaps you should stop showing a level of ignorance beyond the pale.