On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 10:04:30 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> On 12/12/2021 10:11 AM, slto...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 11, 2021 at 12:10:20 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> >> On 12/11/2021 2:01 PM, slto...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 9:38:40 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>> On 12/5/2021 10:17 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>>> On Friday, December 3, 2021 at 4:56:58 PM UTC-8, sms wrote:
> >>>>>> On 12/3/2021 12:08 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> <snip>
> >>>>>>> There's a continuum of incentives and disincentives. Else no one would
> >>>>>>> move them in the first place.
> >>>>>> The incentives were a) 1/10th the labor cost, and b) the ability to
> >>>>>> pollute without any consequences.
> >>>>> Scharf continues to pretend that his imagination reflects reality. Tell us what pollution a copper mine presents?
> >>>>>
> >>>> An actual mining engineer worked for us for a couple of
> >>>> years so I know a little about this. The primary crushing of
> >>>> copper bearing rock is dramatically loud (and often 24 hours
> >>>> too).
> >>>>
> >>>> Although there are various processes the most common uses a
> >>>> solution of sulfuric acid in the copper bearing slurry which
> >>>> is plated into copper sheet. Scale that up and you have a
> >>>> potential pollution problem.
> >>>>
> >>>> Maybe not as toxic as cyanide reprocessing of gold mine
> >>>> tailings but the scale is immense.
> >>> My investigation of copper mining is that sulfuric acid is a byproduct of copper production and not actually used in the production. They grind the ORE into an extremely fine powder and put it in water and bubble AIR though it. This causes the O2 to capture the copper and CuO2 in a froth on top, which skimmed off as nearly pure copper which is then freed from the oxide with electrolysis.
> >>>
> >>> As you can see with this process that Sulfuric acid (H2SO4) is generated as well. This CAN be either sold as the acid or used to purify pure sulfur.
> >>>
> >> Thank you, I learned something. There are apparently
> >> different processes for different copper-bearing ores (which
> >> makes sense I just didn't know that).
> >>
> >> Here's the chemistry:
> >>
> >> https://chem.libretexts.org/Bookshelves/Inorganic_Chemistry/Supplemental_Modules_and_Websites_(Inorganic_Chemistry)/Descriptive_Chemistry/Elements_Organized_by_Block/3_d-Block_Elements/1b_Properties_of_Transition_Metals/Metallurgy/The_Extraction_of_Copper
> >
> > Shouldn't we ask our master chemist, Flunkmaster, why poor countries with open pit mines don't use lesser value byproducts and instead leave them behind in quantities to become pollutants?
> >
> > Heavy metals tend to be found in the same areas and separating them depends on both the quantity and value of the metals in any given ore. What would you think a poor country would mine - copper or gold? Copper sulfate could be considered to be a pollutant, but
> >
> As I understand the problem, it's not volition by the mine
> management so much as the difference in the composition of
> the ore(s).

It isn't much of a problem since things like Argentinite is gold, silver, copper and lead in various mixtures and often including sulfur. Copper, sulfur and lead and mixtures of any can be depicted as pollutants.

The question is, why are people that don't know anything about mining like Flunkmaster and Scharf and Mr. Wikipedia talking about these things? Some of the instruments I designed and programmed were to identify products of mining. Ore finely powdered and dissolved in a carrier could be identified with liquid chromatographs. These things had to be used by real experts to yield accurate results.

On 12/12/2021 12:51 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Saturday, December 11, 2021 at 6:27:03 PM UTC-8, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Saturday, December 11, 2021 at 12:04:58 PM UTC-8, slto...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, December 7, 2021 at 8:11:49 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>> On 12/7/2021 6:13 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> After 20+ years on RBT, Tom is still under some delusion that people will simply believe anything he writes because he writes it.
>>>> Which, sadly, is exactly opposite of the truth. If he posts some fact, I
>>>> now assume it's wrong until proven otherwise.
>>> Frank, what is sad is how sick you are because your believed that education and not ability was the key to success. By all means run your mouth off. I accomplished more at one of the jobs I had than you did in your entire career.
>> Yet you changed jobs every couple years. I wonder: why they didn't keep you on?
>
> Because never having a real job in industry, you haven't even a passing idea of what the business was like. So why are you attempting to act like you know anything? As companies grew to the size where they could support a permanent R&D staff, I could stay until offered better money elsewhere. Maybe you think that I should stay at a job making $150,000/yr when offered $250,000 a year elsewhere. But then you're a teacher who probably never made over $60,000.

It would seem that if every one of your dozens of job changes were to
earn ever more money, you'd now be living in lots nicer surroundings.
And you'd be complaining much less.

FWIW, even before I began working full time as an engineer, I intended
to go into teaching. (That idea was planted by my classmates, who told
me I explained things to them much better than our professors did.) I
knew I'd make more money as an engineer, but I chose teaching anyway.

And here we are: The guy who voluntarily chose to make less money lives
in a lovely town, one of the safest communities in the state, in a very
pleasant little house on a large lot with plenty of privacy.

The one who _claims_ he constantly jumped ship to chase more money
(hah!) whines endlessly about his state, his town, his government, his
neighborhood, his security, the Democrats, the medical profession, his
grocery prices, his bike equipment not working right and much more.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 12:11:49 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 12/12/2021 12:51 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 11, 2021 at 6:27:03 PM UTC-8, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Saturday, December 11, 2021 at 12:04:58 PM UTC-8, slto...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, December 7, 2021 at 8:11:49 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>>> On 12/7/2021 6:13 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> After 20+ years on RBT, Tom is still under some delusion that people will simply believe anything he writes because he writes it.
> >>>> Which, sadly, is exactly opposite of the truth. If he posts some fact, I
> >>>> now assume it's wrong until proven otherwise.
> >>> Frank, what is sad is how sick you are because your believed that education and not ability was the key to success. By all means run your mouth off. I accomplished more at one of the jobs I had than you did in your entire career.
> >> Yet you changed jobs every couple years. I wonder: why they didn't keep you on?
> >
> > Because never having a real job in industry, you haven't even a passing idea of what the business was like. So why are you attempting to act like you know anything? As companies grew to the size where they could support a permanent R&D staff, I could stay until offered better money elsewhere. Maybe you think that I should stay at a job making $150,000/yr when offered $250,000 a year elsewhere. But then you're a teacher who probably never made over $60,000.
>
> It would seem that if every one of your dozens of job changes were to
> earn ever more money, you'd now be living in lots nicer surroundings.
> And you'd be complaining much less.
>
> FWIW, even before I began working full time as an engineer, I intended
> to go into teaching. (That idea was planted by my classmates, who told
> me I explained things to them much better than our professors did.) I
> knew I'd make more money as an engineer, but I chose teaching anyway.
>
> And here we are: The guy who voluntarily chose to make less money lives
> in a lovely town, one of the safest communities in the state, in a very
> pleasant little house on a large lot with plenty of privacy.
>
> The one who _claims_ he constantly jumped ship to chase more money
> (hah!) whines endlessly about his state, his town, his government, his
> neighborhood, his security, the Democrats, the medical profession, his
> grocery prices, his bike equipment not working right and much more.

So some tatty little nobody is telling me what is good for me? Tell me Frank - WHERE do you live if you have such a wonderful life?

On 12/12/2021 3:58 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 12:11:49 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 12/12/2021 12:51 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> On Saturday, December 11, 2021 at 6:27:03 PM UTC-8, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, December 11, 2021 at 12:04:58 PM UTC-8, slto...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, December 7, 2021 at 8:11:49 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/7/2021 6:13 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> After 20+ years on RBT, Tom is still under some delusion that people will simply believe anything he writes because he writes it.
>>>>>> Which, sadly, is exactly opposite of the truth. If he posts some fact, I
>>>>>> now assume it's wrong until proven otherwise.
>>>>> Frank, what is sad is how sick you are because your believed that education and not ability was the key to success. By all means run your mouth off. I accomplished more at one of the jobs I had than you did in your entire career.
>>>> Yet you changed jobs every couple years. I wonder: why they didn't keep you on?
>>>
>>> Because never having a real job in industry, you haven't even a passing idea of what the business was like. So why are you attempting to act like you know anything? As companies grew to the size where they could support a permanent R&D staff, I could stay until offered better money elsewhere. Maybe you think that I should stay at a job making $150,000/yr when offered $250,000 a year elsewhere. But then you're a teacher who probably never made over $60,000.
>>
>> It would seem that if every one of your dozens of job changes were to
>> earn ever more money, you'd now be living in lots nicer surroundings.
>> And you'd be complaining much less.
>>
>> FWIW, even before I began working full time as an engineer, I intended
>> to go into teaching. (That idea was planted by my classmates, who told
>> me I explained things to them much better than our professors did.) I
>> knew I'd make more money as an engineer, but I chose teaching anyway.
>>
>> And here we are: The guy who voluntarily chose to make less money lives
>> in a lovely town, one of the safest communities in the state, in a very
>> pleasant little house on a large lot with plenty of privacy.
>>
>> The one who _claims_ he constantly jumped ship to chase more money
>> (hah!) whines endlessly about his state, his town, his government, his
>> neighborhood, his security, the Democrats, the medical profession, his
>> grocery prices, his bike equipment not working right and much more.
>
> So some tatty little nobody is telling me what is good for me?

Tom, I'm just relating some (not all) of the things you've whined about
in this forum. _You_ have told us what's _not_ good for you, over and over.

You need to move out of that hellhole. Use your brilliance to snap up
one of those job offers you claim to have gotten, and use your
accumulated fortune to go to a place you like.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Sun, 12 Dec 2021 08:11:09 -0800 (PST), "slto...@gmail.com"
<sltom992@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, December 11, 2021 at 12:10:20 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 12/11/2021 2:01 PM, slto...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 9:38:40 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>> >> On 12/5/2021 10:17 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >>> On Friday, December 3, 2021 at 4:56:58 PM UTC-8, sms wrote:
>> >>>> On 12/3/2021 12:08 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> <snip>
>> >>>>> There's a continuum of incentives and disincentives. Else no one would
>> >>>>> move them in the first place.
>> >>>> The incentives were a) 1/10th the labor cost, and b) the ability to
>> >>>> pollute without any consequences.
>> >>> Scharf continues to pretend that his imagination reflects reality. Tell us what pollution a copper mine presents?
>> >>>
>> >> An actual mining engineer worked for us for a couple of
>> >> years so I know a little about this. The primary crushing of
>> >> copper bearing rock is dramatically loud (and often 24 hours
>> >> too).
>> >>
>> >> Although there are various processes the most common uses a
>> >> solution of sulfuric acid in the copper bearing slurry which
>> >> is plated into copper sheet. Scale that up and you have a
>> >> potential pollution problem.
>> >>
>> >> Maybe not as toxic as cyanide reprocessing of gold mine
>> >> tailings but the scale is immense.
>> > My investigation of copper mining is that sulfuric acid is a byproduct of copper production and not actually used in the production. They grind the ORE into an extremely fine powder and put it in water and bubble AIR though it. This causes the O2 to capture the copper and CuO2 in a froth on top, which skimmed off as nearly pure copper which is then freed from the oxide with electrolysis.
>> >
>> > As you can see with this process that Sulfuric acid (H2SO4) is generated as well. This CAN be either sold as the acid or used to purify pure sulfur.
>> >
>> Thank you, I learned something. There are apparently
>> different processes for different copper-bearing ores (which
>> makes sense I just didn't know that).
>>
>> Here's the chemistry:
>>
>> https://chem.libretexts.org/Bookshelves/Inorganic_Chemistry/Supplemental_Modules_and_Websites_(Inorganic_Chemistry)/Descriptive_Chemistry/Elements_Organized_by_Block/3_d-Block_Elements/1b_Properties_of_Transition_Metals/Metallurgy/The_Extraction_of_Copper
>
>Shouldn't we ask our master chemist, Flunkmaster, why poor countries with open pit mines don't use lesser value byproducts and instead leave them behind in quantities to become pollutants?
>
>Heavy metals tend to be found in the same areas and separating them depends on both the quantity and value of the metals in any given ore. What would you think a poor country would mine - copper or gold? Copper sulfate could be considered to be a pollutant, but

Well, the Grasberg mine, in Indonesia, has the largest reserve of gold
and the second-largest reserve of copper in the world, and when I was
there produced a mix of copper, gold and even a little silver and
while they didn't smelt the slurry to produce pure metals they
certainly received more money per ton then a simple copper only mix.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sun, 12 Dec 2021 12:04:27 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 12/12/2021 10:11 AM, slto...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Saturday, December 11, 2021 at 12:10:20 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 12/11/2021 2:01 PM, slto...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 9:38:40 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> On 12/5/2021 10:17 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>> On Friday, December 3, 2021 at 4:56:58 PM UTC-8, sms wrote:
>>>>>>> On 12/3/2021 12:08 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>> There's a continuum of incentives and disincentives. Else no one would
>>>>>>>> move them in the first place.
>>>>>>> The incentives were a) 1/10th the labor cost, and b) the ability to
>>>>>>> pollute without any consequences.
>>>>>> Scharf continues to pretend that his imagination reflects reality. Tell us what pollution a copper mine presents?
>>>>>>
>>>>> An actual mining engineer worked for us for a couple of
>>>>> years so I know a little about this. The primary crushing of
>>>>> copper bearing rock is dramatically loud (and often 24 hours
>>>>> too).
>>>>>
>>>>> Although there are various processes the most common uses a
>>>>> solution of sulfuric acid in the copper bearing slurry which
>>>>> is plated into copper sheet. Scale that up and you have a
>>>>> potential pollution problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe not as toxic as cyanide reprocessing of gold mine
>>>>> tailings but the scale is immense.
>>>> My investigation of copper mining is that sulfuric acid is a byproduct of copper production and not actually used in the production. They grind the ORE into an extremely fine powder and put it in water and bubble AIR though it. This causes the O2 to capture the copper and CuO2 in a froth on top, which skimmed off as nearly pure copper which is then freed from the oxide with electrolysis.
>>>>
>>>> As you can see with this process that Sulfuric acid (H2SO4) is generated as well. This CAN be either sold as the acid or used to purify pure sulfur.
>>>>
>>> Thank you, I learned something. There are apparently
>>> different processes for different copper-bearing ores (which
>>> makes sense I just didn't know that).
>>>
>>> Here's the chemistry:
>>>
>>> https://chem.libretexts.org/Bookshelves/Inorganic_Chemistry/Supplemental_Modules_and_Websites_(Inorganic_Chemistry)/Descriptive_Chemistry/Elements_Organized_by_Block/3_d-Block_Elements/1b_Properties_of_Transition_Metals/Metallurgy/The_Extraction_of_Copper
>>
>> Shouldn't we ask our master chemist, Flunkmaster, why poor countries with open pit mines don't use lesser value byproducts and instead leave them behind in quantities to become pollutants?
>>
>> Heavy metals tend to be found in the same areas and separating them depends on both the quantity and value of the metals in any given ore. What would you think a poor country would mine - copper or gold? Copper sulfate could be considered to be a pollutant, but
>>
>
>As I understand the problem, it's not volition by the mine
>management so much as the difference in the composition of
>the ore(s).

I've only worked at one mine but I believe that basically mines mine
while other sites refine (:-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sun, 12 Dec 2021 10:19:47 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 10:04:30 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 12/12/2021 10:11 AM, slto...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > On Saturday, December 11, 2021 at 12:10:20 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>> >> On 12/11/2021 2:01 PM, slto...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 9:38:40 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>> >>>> On 12/5/2021 10:17 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >>>>> On Friday, December 3, 2021 at 4:56:58 PM UTC-8, sms wrote:
>> >>>>>> On 12/3/2021 12:08 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> <snip>
>> >>>>>>> There's a continuum of incentives and disincentives. Else no one would
>> >>>>>>> move them in the first place.
>> >>>>>> The incentives were a) 1/10th the labor cost, and b) the ability to
>> >>>>>> pollute without any consequences.
>> >>>>> Scharf continues to pretend that his imagination reflects reality. Tell us what pollution a copper mine presents?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>> An actual mining engineer worked for us for a couple of
>> >>>> years so I know a little about this. The primary crushing of
>> >>>> copper bearing rock is dramatically loud (and often 24 hours
>> >>>> too).
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Although there are various processes the most common uses a
>> >>>> solution of sulfuric acid in the copper bearing slurry which
>> >>>> is plated into copper sheet. Scale that up and you have a
>> >>>> potential pollution problem.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Maybe not as toxic as cyanide reprocessing of gold mine
>> >>>> tailings but the scale is immense.
>> >>> My investigation of copper mining is that sulfuric acid is a byproduct of copper production and not actually used in the production. They grind the ORE into an extremely fine powder and put it in water and bubble AIR though it. This causes the O2 to capture the copper and CuO2 in a froth on top, which skimmed off as nearly pure copper which is then freed from the oxide with electrolysis.
>> >>>
>> >>> As you can see with this process that Sulfuric acid (H2SO4) is generated as well. This CAN be either sold as the acid or used to purify pure sulfur.
>> >>>
>> >> Thank you, I learned something. There are apparently
>> >> different processes for different copper-bearing ores (which
>> >> makes sense I just didn't know that).
>> >>
>> >> Here's the chemistry:
>> >>
>> >> https://chem.libretexts.org/Bookshelves/Inorganic_Chemistry/Supplemental_Modules_and_Websites_(Inorganic_Chemistry)/Descriptive_Chemistry/Elements_Organized_by_Block/3_d-Block_Elements/1b_Properties_of_Transition_Metals/Metallurgy/The_Extraction_of_Copper
>> >
>> > Shouldn't we ask our master chemist, Flunkmaster, why poor countries with open pit mines don't use lesser value byproducts and instead leave them behind in quantities to become pollutants?
>> >
>> > Heavy metals tend to be found in the same areas and separating them depends on both the quantity and value of the metals in any given ore. What would you think a poor country would mine - copper or gold? Copper sulfate could be considered to be a pollutant, but
>> >
>> As I understand the problem, it's not volition by the mine
>> management so much as the difference in the composition of
>> the ore(s).
>
>It isn't much of a problem since things like Argentinite is gold, silver, copper and lead in various mixtures and often including sulfur. Copper, sulfur and lead and mixtures of any can be depicted as pollutants.
>
>The question is, why are people that don't know anything about mining like Flunkmaster and Scharf and Mr. Wikipedia talking about these things? Some of the instruments I designed and programmed were to identify products of mining. Ore finely powdered and dissolved in a carrier could be identified with liquid chromatographs. These things had to be used by real experts to yield accurate results.

And, of course you do know about mines due to your long career as a
miner?

But more to the point, the largest copper mine in the world, on a ton
by ton basis didn't, at least when I worked there, do all that fancy
measuring, They simply sold the dried slurry.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sun, 12 Dec 2021 15:11:44 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 12/12/2021 12:51 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> On Saturday, December 11, 2021 at 6:27:03 PM UTC-8, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Saturday, December 11, 2021 at 12:04:58 PM UTC-8, slto...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, December 7, 2021 at 8:11:49 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>> On 12/7/2021 6:13 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After 20+ years on RBT, Tom is still under some delusion that people will simply believe anything he writes because he writes it.
>>>>> Which, sadly, is exactly opposite of the truth. If he posts some fact, I
>>>>> now assume it's wrong until proven otherwise.
>>>> Frank, what is sad is how sick you are because your believed that education and not ability was the key to success. By all means run your mouth off. I accomplished more at one of the jobs I had than you did in your entire career.
>>> Yet you changed jobs every couple years. I wonder: why they didn't keep you on?
>>
>> Because never having a real job in industry, you haven't even a passing idea of what the business was like. So why are you attempting to act like you know anything? As companies grew to the size where they could support a permanent R&D staff, I could stay until offered better money elsewhere. Maybe you think that I should stay at a job making $150,000/yr when offered $250,000 a year elsewhere. But then you're a teacher who probably never made over $60,000.
>
>It would seem that if every one of your dozens of job changes were to
>earn ever more money, you'd now be living in lots nicer surroundings.
>And you'd be complaining much less.
>
>FWIW, even before I began working full time as an engineer, I intended
>to go into teaching. (That idea was planted by my classmates, who told
>me I explained things to them much better than our professors did.) I
>knew I'd make more money as an engineer, but I chose teaching anyway.
>
>And here we are: The guy who voluntarily chose to make less money lives
>in a lovely town, one of the safest communities in the state, in a very
>pleasant little house on a large lot with plenty of privacy.
>
>The one who _claims_ he constantly jumped ship to chase more money
>(hah!) whines endlessly about his state, his town, his government, his
>neighborhood, his security, the Democrats, the medical profession, his
>grocery prices, his bike equipment not working right and much more.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/dementia/symptoms-causes/syc-20352013
Dementia is a term used to describe a group of symptoms affecting
memory, thinking and social abilities...
Cognitive changes
Memory loss, which is usually noticed by someone else
Difficulty communicating or finding words
Difficulty reasoning or problem-solving
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 1:49:39 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 12/12/2021 3:58 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 12:11:49 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >> On 12/12/2021 12:51 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, December 11, 2021 at 6:27:03 PM UTC-8, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> On Saturday, December 11, 2021 at 12:04:58 PM UTC-8, slto...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>> On Tuesday, December 7, 2021 at 8:11:49 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>>>>> On 12/7/2021 6:13 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> After 20+ years on RBT, Tom is still under some delusion that people will simply believe anything he writes because he writes it.
> >>>>>> Which, sadly, is exactly opposite of the truth. If he posts some fact, I
> >>>>>> now assume it's wrong until proven otherwise.
> >>>>> Frank, what is sad is how sick you are because your believed that education and not ability was the key to success. By all means run your mouth off. I accomplished more at one of the jobs I had than you did in your entire career.
> >>>> Yet you changed jobs every couple years. I wonder: why they didn't keep you on?
> >>>
> >>> Because never having a real job in industry, you haven't even a passing idea of what the business was like. So why are you attempting to act like you know anything? As companies grew to the size where they could support a permanent R&D staff, I could stay until offered better money elsewhere. Maybe you think that I should stay at a job making $150,000/yr when offered $250,000 a year elsewhere. But then you're a teacher who probably never made over $60,000.
> >>
> >> It would seem that if every one of your dozens of job changes were to
> >> earn ever more money, you'd now be living in lots nicer surroundings.
> >> And you'd be complaining much less.
> >>
> >> FWIW, even before I began working full time as an engineer, I intended
> >> to go into teaching. (That idea was planted by my classmates, who told
> >> me I explained things to them much better than our professors did.) I
> >> knew I'd make more money as an engineer, but I chose teaching anyway.
> >>
> >> And here we are: The guy who voluntarily chose to make less money lives
> >> in a lovely town, one of the safest communities in the state, in a very
> >> pleasant little house on a large lot with plenty of privacy.
> >>
> >> The one who _claims_ he constantly jumped ship to chase more money
> >> (hah!) whines endlessly about his state, his town, his government, his
> >> neighborhood, his security, the Democrats, the medical profession, his
> >> grocery prices, his bike equipment not working right and much more.
> >
> > So some tatty little nobody is telling me what is good for me?
> Tom, I'm just relating some (not all) of the things you've whined about
> in this forum. _You_ have told us what's _not_ good for you, over and over.
>
> You need to move out of that hellhole. Use your brilliance to snap up
> one of those job offers you claim to have gotten, and use your
> accumulated fortune to go to a place you like.

So telling you how things are here is whining is it? I asked you what sort of place you live in and you don't answer. I can only imagine you think that you live in a heaven on earth in which the 37% increase in cost of living doesn't touch you. I can afford it, can you? I seriously doubt it and by the time Biden is done with you, you will be joining the ranks of the homeless. How do you propose to post here then?

On 12/13/2021 11:03 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 1:49:39 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 12/12/2021 3:58 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 12:11:49 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>> On 12/12/2021 12:51 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, December 11, 2021 at 6:27:03 PM UTC-8, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Saturday, December 11, 2021 at 12:04:58 PM UTC-8, slto...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, December 7, 2021 at 8:11:49 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 12/7/2021 6:13 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> After 20+ years on RBT, Tom is still under some delusion that people will simply believe anything he writes because he writes it.
>>>>>>>> Which, sadly, is exactly opposite of the truth. If he posts some fact, I
>>>>>>>> now assume it's wrong until proven otherwise.
>>>>>>> Frank, what is sad is how sick you are because your believed that education and not ability was the key to success. By all means run your mouth off. I accomplished more at one of the jobs I had than you did in your entire career.
>>>>>> Yet you changed jobs every couple years. I wonder: why they didn't keep you on?
>>>>>
>>>>> Because never having a real job in industry, you haven't even a passing idea of what the business was like. So why are you attempting to act like you know anything? As companies grew to the size where they could support a permanent R&D staff, I could stay until offered better money elsewhere. Maybe you think that I should stay at a job making $150,000/yr when offered $250,000 a year elsewhere. But then you're a teacher who probably never made over $60,000.
>>>>
>>>> It would seem that if every one of your dozens of job changes were to
>>>> earn ever more money, you'd now be living in lots nicer surroundings.
>>>> And you'd be complaining much less.
>>>>
>>>> FWIW, even before I began working full time as an engineer, I intended
>>>> to go into teaching. (That idea was planted by my classmates, who told
>>>> me I explained things to them much better than our professors did.) I
>>>> knew I'd make more money as an engineer, but I chose teaching anyway.
>>>>
>>>> And here we are: The guy who voluntarily chose to make less money lives
>>>> in a lovely town, one of the safest communities in the state, in a very
>>>> pleasant little house on a large lot with plenty of privacy.
>>>>
>>>> The one who _claims_ he constantly jumped ship to chase more money
>>>> (hah!) whines endlessly about his state, his town, his government, his
>>>> neighborhood, his security, the Democrats, the medical profession, his
>>>> grocery prices, his bike equipment not working right and much more.
>>>
>>> So some tatty little nobody is telling me what is good for me?
>> Tom, I'm just relating some (not all) of the things you've whined about
>> in this forum. _You_ have told us what's _not_ good for you, over and over.
>>
>> You need to move out of that hellhole. Use your brilliance to snap up
>> one of those job offers you claim to have gotten, and use your
>> accumulated fortune to go to a place you like.
>
> So telling you how things are here is whining is it? I asked you what sort of place you live in and you don't answer.

I've told you. Sorry you don't remember!

I'm in the midwest. This suburban village and/or township has repeatedly
been ranked one of the top ten safest in the state. We easily bike (or
even walk) to the pharmacy, dentist, post office, excellent library,
local nature preserve, etc. Tons of fairly low traffic rural roads
nearby. Small house, large lot, backyard facing acres of woods. Low
housing costs, not that it matters, because I paid off our mortgage
decades ago.

> I can only imagine you think that you live in a heaven on earth in which the 37% increase in cost of living doesn't touch you.

A 100% increase in cost of living wouldn't hurt me.

> I can afford it, can you?

If you can afford it, stop whining.

> I seriously doubt it and by the time Biden is done with you, you will be joining the ranks of the homeless. How do you propose to post here then?

Another Kunich prediction noted. (I think you're batting zero on those.)

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 08:03:22 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 1:49:39 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 12/12/2021 3:58 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> > On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 12:11:49 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> >> On 12/12/2021 12:51 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >>> On Saturday, December 11, 2021 at 6:27:03 PM UTC-8, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >>>> On Saturday, December 11, 2021 at 12:04:58 PM UTC-8, slto...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >>>>> On Tuesday, December 7, 2021 at 8:11:49 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> >>>>>> On 12/7/2021 6:13 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> After 20+ years on RBT, Tom is still under some delusion that people will simply believe anything he writes because he writes it.
>> >>>>>> Which, sadly, is exactly opposite of the truth. If he posts some fact, I
>> >>>>>> now assume it's wrong until proven otherwise.
>> >>>>> Frank, what is sad is how sick you are because your believed that education and not ability was the key to success. By all means run your mouth off. I accomplished more at one of the jobs I had than you did in your entire career.
>> >>>> Yet you changed jobs every couple years. I wonder: why they didn't keep you on?
>> >>>
>> >>> Because never having a real job in industry, you haven't even a passing idea of what the business was like. So why are you attempting to act like you know anything? As companies grew to the size where they could support a permanent R&D staff, I could stay until offered better money elsewhere. Maybe you think that I should stay at a job making $150,000/yr when offered $250,000 a year elsewhere. But then you're a teacher who probably never made over $60,000.
>> >>
>> >> It would seem that if every one of your dozens of job changes were to
>> >> earn ever more money, you'd now be living in lots nicer surroundings.
>> >> And you'd be complaining much less.
>> >>
>> >> FWIW, even before I began working full time as an engineer, I intended
>> >> to go into teaching. (That idea was planted by my classmates, who told
>> >> me I explained things to them much better than our professors did.) I
>> >> knew I'd make more money as an engineer, but I chose teaching anyway.
>> >>
>> >> And here we are: The guy who voluntarily chose to make less money lives
>> >> in a lovely town, one of the safest communities in the state, in a very
>> >> pleasant little house on a large lot with plenty of privacy.
>> >>
>> >> The one who _claims_ he constantly jumped ship to chase more money
>> >> (hah!) whines endlessly about his state, his town, his government, his
>> >> neighborhood, his security, the Democrats, the medical profession, his
>> >> grocery prices, his bike equipment not working right and much more.
>> >
>> > So some tatty little nobody is telling me what is good for me?
>> Tom, I'm just relating some (not all) of the things you've whined about
>> in this forum. _You_ have told us what's _not_ good for you, over and over.
>>
>> You need to move out of that hellhole. Use your brilliance to snap up
>> one of those job offers you claim to have gotten, and use your
>> accumulated fortune to go to a place you like.
>
>So telling you how things are here is whining is it? I asked you what sort of place you live in and you don't answer. I can only imagine you think that you live in a heaven on earth in which the 37% increase in cost of living doesn't touch you. I can afford it, can you? I seriously doubt it and by the time Biden is done with you, you will be joining the ranks of the homeless. How do you propose to post here then?

"the 37% increase in cost of living"???

It must be California as the U.S. cost of living increase for the U.S.
is 6.8% (as of 10 December 2021)
https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/cpi.pdf

Or to phrase it a different way: "Tommy Boy just doesn't know what he
is talking about!"
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 4:36:45 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 08:03:22 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 1:49:39 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >> On 12/12/2021 3:58 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> > On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 12:11:49 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >> >> On 12/12/2021 12:51 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> >>> On Saturday, December 11, 2021 at 6:27:03 PM UTC-8, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >>>> On Saturday, December 11, 2021 at 12:04:58 PM UTC-8, slto...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >>>>> On Tuesday, December 7, 2021 at 8:11:49 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >> >>>>>> On 12/7/2021 6:13 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> After 20+ years on RBT, Tom is still under some delusion that people will simply believe anything he writes because he writes it.
> >> >>>>>> Which, sadly, is exactly opposite of the truth. If he posts some fact, I
> >> >>>>>> now assume it's wrong until proven otherwise.
> >> >>>>> Frank, what is sad is how sick you are because your believed that education and not ability was the key to success. By all means run your mouth off. I accomplished more at one of the jobs I had than you did in your entire career.
> >> >>>> Yet you changed jobs every couple years. I wonder: why they didn't keep you on?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Because never having a real job in industry, you haven't even a passing idea of what the business was like. So why are you attempting to act like you know anything? As companies grew to the size where they could support a permanent R&D staff, I could stay until offered better money elsewhere. Maybe you think that I should stay at a job making $150,000/yr when offered $250,000 a year elsewhere. But then you're a teacher who probably never made over $60,000.
> >> >>
> >> >> It would seem that if every one of your dozens of job changes were to
> >> >> earn ever more money, you'd now be living in lots nicer surroundings.
> >> >> And you'd be complaining much less.
> >> >>
> >> >> FWIW, even before I began working full time as an engineer, I intended
> >> >> to go into teaching. (That idea was planted by my classmates, who told
> >> >> me I explained things to them much better than our professors did.) I
> >> >> knew I'd make more money as an engineer, but I chose teaching anyway.
> >> >>
> >> >> And here we are: The guy who voluntarily chose to make less money lives
> >> >> in a lovely town, one of the safest communities in the state, in a very
> >> >> pleasant little house on a large lot with plenty of privacy.
> >> >>
> >> >> The one who _claims_ he constantly jumped ship to chase more money
> >> >> (hah!) whines endlessly about his state, his town, his government, his
> >> >> neighborhood, his security, the Democrats, the medical profession, his
> >> >> grocery prices, his bike equipment not working right and much more.
> >> >
> >> > So some tatty little nobody is telling me what is good for me?
> >> Tom, I'm just relating some (not all) of the things you've whined about
> >> in this forum. _You_ have told us what's _not_ good for you, over and over.
> >>
> >> You need to move out of that hellhole. Use your brilliance to snap up
> >> one of those job offers you claim to have gotten, and use your
> >> accumulated fortune to go to a place you like.
> >
> >So telling you how things are here is whining is it? I asked you what sort of place you live in and you don't answer. I can only imagine you think that you live in a heaven on earth in which the 37% increase in cost of living doesn't touch you. I can afford it, can you? I seriously doubt it and by the time Biden is done with you, you will be joining the ranks of the homeless. How do you propose to post here then?
> "the 37% increase in cost of living"???
>
> It must be California as the U.S. cost of living increase for the U.S.
> is 6.8% (as of 10 December 2021)
> https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/cpi.pdf
>
> Or to phrase it a different way: "Tommy Boy just doesn't know what he
> is talking about!"

Only someone as stupid as slow Johnny would believe that Biden's government is telling you the truth about either inflation or the cost of living increases. You have to be pretty stupid to believe that but there he is with his thumb up his ass.

On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 11:28:07 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 4:36:45 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
>> On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 08:03:22 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 1:49:39 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> >> On 12/12/2021 3:58 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >> > On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 12:11:49 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> >> >> On 12/12/2021 12:51 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >> >>> On Saturday, December 11, 2021 at 6:27:03 PM UTC-8, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> >>>> On Saturday, December 11, 2021 at 12:04:58 PM UTC-8, slto...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> >>>>> On Tuesday, December 7, 2021 at 8:11:49 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> >> >>>>>> On 12/7/2021 6:13 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> After 20+ years on RBT, Tom is still under some delusion that people will simply believe anything he writes because he writes it.
>> >> >>>>>> Which, sadly, is exactly opposite of the truth. If he posts some fact, I
>> >> >>>>>> now assume it's wrong until proven otherwise.
>> >> >>>>> Frank, what is sad is how sick you are because your believed that education and not ability was the key to success. By all means run your mouth off. I accomplished more at one of the jobs I had than you did in your entire career.
>> >> >>>> Yet you changed jobs every couple years. I wonder: why they didn't keep you on?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Because never having a real job in industry, you haven't even a passing idea of what the business was like. So why are you attempting to act like you know anything? As companies grew to the size where they could support a permanent R&D staff, I could stay until offered better money elsewhere. Maybe you think that I should stay at a job making $150,000/yr when offered $250,000 a year elsewhere. But then you're a teacher who probably never made over $60,000.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It would seem that if every one of your dozens of job changes were to
>> >> >> earn ever more money, you'd now be living in lots nicer surroundings.
>> >> >> And you'd be complaining much less.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> FWIW, even before I began working full time as an engineer, I intended
>> >> >> to go into teaching. (That idea was planted by my classmates, who told
>> >> >> me I explained things to them much better than our professors did.) I
>> >> >> knew I'd make more money as an engineer, but I chose teaching anyway.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> And here we are: The guy who voluntarily chose to make less money lives
>> >> >> in a lovely town, one of the safest communities in the state, in a very
>> >> >> pleasant little house on a large lot with plenty of privacy.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The one who _claims_ he constantly jumped ship to chase more money
>> >> >> (hah!) whines endlessly about his state, his town, his government, his
>> >> >> neighborhood, his security, the Democrats, the medical profession, his
>> >> >> grocery prices, his bike equipment not working right and much more.
>> >> >
>> >> > So some tatty little nobody is telling me what is good for me?
>> >> Tom, I'm just relating some (not all) of the things you've whined about
>> >> in this forum. _You_ have told us what's _not_ good for you, over and over.
>> >>
>> >> You need to move out of that hellhole. Use your brilliance to snap up
>> >> one of those job offers you claim to have gotten, and use your
>> >> accumulated fortune to go to a place you like.
>> >
>> >So telling you how things are here is whining is it? I asked you what sort of place you live in and you don't answer. I can only imagine you think that you live in a heaven on earth in which the 37% increase in cost of living doesn't touch you. I can afford it, can you? I seriously doubt it and by the time Biden is done with you, you will be joining the ranks of the homeless. How do you propose to post here then?
>> "the 37% increase in cost of living"???
>>
>> It must be California as the U.S. cost of living increase for the U.S.
>> is 6.8% (as of 10 December 2021)
>> https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/cpi.pdf
>>
>> Or to phrase it a different way: "Tommy Boy just doesn't know what he
>> is talking about!"
>
>Only someone as stupid as slow Johnny would believe that Biden's government is telling you the truth about either inflation or the cost of living increases. You have to be pretty stupid to believe that but there he is with his thumb up his ass.

Well Tommy given your proven inability to understand what you read as
in the great Bangladesh test of some 350,000 people from 600 rural
villages in Bangladesh from November 2020 through April 2021, where it
you claim showed that masks didn't work when, in fact, the test
actually showed exactly the opposite. That masks did reduce the
chances of infection, it seems doubtful that anything you post is
correct.

But, of course, the jury is still out on whether you actually
understood what was written and lied about it or whether you really
didn't understand what was written.
--
Cheers,

John B.