On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 2:29:56 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 08:00:29 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> >I thought I mage it clear that I can't remember how it was switched from parallel charging mode to series discharge mode but that the series string was discharged via a spark gap either into a high Z to obtain gamma rays or a tinfoil plate to shower the target with live electrons.
> What you actually said in:
> <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/_1eEehgsDD0/m/N1A5aV7ADAAJ>
> was:
> "The fact is that charging a string of capacitors in parallel to
> 100,000 volts and then discharging them in series for a total voltage
> of 120 million volts gives you a finite power in joules and you will
> do absolutely anything to avoid that."
>
> If you mentioned the details (high Z, gamma rays, and live electrons)
> in another posting, I couldn't find anything with Google Groups
> search.
>
> Nice buzzword salad. High-Z is high impedance. Applying a voltage to
> a high impedance does not produce gamma rays. Applying high voltage
> to a tinfoil plate produces sparks, heat, radio waves from the sparks,
> light, and probably smoke. I have no clue what a "live electron"
> might be.
>
> It looks to me that you lifted the buzzwords from various sources and
> mixed them together in an unintelligible sentence. For example,
> instead of high-Z, methinks you might mean the Z machine:
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z_Pulsed_Power_Facility>
> The term "live electrons" is probably "short-lived electrons" such as
> in fluorescence and particle physics. You seem to have all the right
> buzzwords, but somehow mangled them and re-assembled them into an
> incoherent sentence.

I realize that you cannot stop yourself from arguing about anything but all you had to do was do a search and you could have discovered for yourself that High-Z materials:

https://aapm.org/meetings/99AM/pdf/2264-15475.pdf

Well, at least while waiting you were sure you finally had me and creamed all over yourself. Jeff, you must have the highest opinion of yourself of any third grade technician.

On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 14:52:26 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 2:29:56 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 08:00:29 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >I thought I mage it clear that I can't remember how it was switched from parallel charging mode to series discharge mode but that the series string was discharged via a spark gap either into a high Z to obtain gamma rays or a tinfoil plate to shower the target with live electrons.
>> What you actually said in:
>> <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/_1eEehgsDD0/m/N1A5aV7ADAAJ>
>> was:
>> "The fact is that charging a string of capacitors in parallel to
>> 100,000 volts and then discharging them in series for a total voltage
>> of 120 million volts gives you a finite power in joules and you will
>> do absolutely anything to avoid that."
>>
>> If you mentioned the details (high Z, gamma rays, and live electrons)
>> in another posting, I couldn't find anything with Google Groups
>> search.
>>
>> Nice buzzword salad. High-Z is high impedance. Applying a voltage to
>> a high impedance does not produce gamma rays. Applying high voltage
>> to a tinfoil plate produces sparks, heat, radio waves from the sparks,
>> light, and probably smoke. I have no clue what a "live electron"
>> might be.
>>
>> It looks to me that you lifted the buzzwords from various sources and
>> mixed them together in an unintelligible sentence. For example,
>> instead of high-Z, methinks you might mean the Z machine:
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z_Pulsed_Power_Facility>
>> The term "live electrons" is probably "short-lived electrons" such as
>> in fluorescence and particle physics. You seem to have all the right
>> buzzwords, but somehow mangled them and re-assembled them into an
>> incoherent sentence.

>I realize that you cannot stop yourself from arguing about anything but all you had to do was do a search and you could have discovered for yourself that High-Z materials:
>https://aapm.org/meetings/99AM/pdf/2264-15475.pdf

Ok, you win this round. I don't do nuclear medicine and am not
familiar with the lingo. You're also correct that I didn't bother
searching for High-Z. In electronics, High-Z means high impedance:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Z>
which I assumed did not require a search for duplicate definitions.

>Well, at least while waiting you were sure you finally had me and creamed all over yourself. Jeff, you must have the highest opinion of yourself of any third grade technician.

Nope. You just won one minor skirmish. You still have a history of
unanswered questions and dubious claims that could use some
explanations. You rarely supply sources and substantiations. I'm
really impressed that you actually were able to provide a source which
uses High-Z.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 11:00:32 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 5:00:26 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 18:13:35 -0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone
> > <ra...@invalid.com> wrote:
> >
> > >If this mythical 120 MV power supply is anything, it’s a Marx generator.
> > >Here’s somebody talking about building a string of Marx generators to get
> > >to really high voltages.
> > >
> > >https://arxiv.org/pdf/0809.2071.pdf
> > >
> > >And they built an 18 MV Marx generator at CERN
> > >
> > >https://accelconf.web.cern.ch/p69/PDF/PAC1969_0064.PDF
> > Thanks, but you spoiled my test to see if Tom knew anything about high
> > voltage. I intentionally refereed to the scheme as a "voltage
> > multiplier" and waited expectantly for Tom to supply the name and
> > description.
> >
> > Marx generators have been around since 1924:
> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx_generator>
> >
> > A Marx generator does charge capacitors in parallel and discharge them
> > in series and uses spark gaps to switch between parallel and series.
> > The 1969 article you found:
> > <https://accelconf.web.cern.ch/p69/PDF/PAC1969_0064.PDF>
> > has a good description under "Model and Circuit Studies". It produce
> > short pulses of HV-V (unlike the voltage multiplier, which produces
> > DC). It also requires spark gap switches, while the voltage
> > multiplier does not. To be uncharacteristically honest, I knew about
> > both types, but had gotten them thoroughly confused prior to doing
> > some remedial reading.
> I wonder why you have a need to invent what I said? I thought I mage it clear that I can't remember how it was switched from parallel charging mode to series discharge mode but that the series string was discharged via a spark gap either into a high Z to obtain gamma rays or a tinfoil plate to shower the target with live electrons. Exactly what is it about you that you have almost a sexual need to somehow find gaps in my memory from 50 years ago down to the finest detail? Do you plan on beating off to orgasm should you find an error like Flunkmeister did? Is that what you're looking for?

"an" error?
- cables can be tested with PWM
- twisted pair are limited to audio
- you can't use TDR on fiber optics
- "light lines" is a common term for fiber optics

You are an error generator, tommy, not to mention moving the goal posts with "high Z". More on that below.

On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 6:50:33 PM UTC-5, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:

> >Well, at least while waiting you were sure you finally had me and creamed all over yourself. Jeff, you must have the highest opinion of yourself of any third grade technician.

More sexual projection tommy , you're the only one bringing it up, you should really seek counseling to understand why you see everything in terms of male masturbation - it's really creepy for an old man to be so obsessed with it.

> Nope. You just won one minor skirmish. You still have a history of
> unanswered questions and dubious claims that could use some
> explanations. You rarely supply sources and substantiations. I'm
> really impressed that you actually were able to provide a source which
> uses High-Z.

Not so fast Jeff. The context of the discussion was electronics and particle accelerators, and tommy specifically wrote "via a spark gap either into a high Z " which contextually means high impedance. Neither of those alludes to his goal-post-shift to nuclear medicine. Then there's the fact that his own link lists the phrase as "High Z Materials". If Tommy was sincere, he should have written "into a High-Z material as used in nuclear medicine". This error, as well as these:
- cables can be tested with PWM
- twisted pair are limited to audio
- you can't use TDR on fiber optics
- "light lines" is a common term for fiber optic

Which he's refused to acknowledge are mere glimpses of why he was never able to keep a job for more than a year. I suspect being a raging asshole had as much to do with it as his ignorance.

On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 3:50:33 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 14:52:26 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 2:29:56 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 08:00:29 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> >I thought I mage it clear that I can't remember how it was switched from parallel charging mode to series discharge mode but that the series string was discharged via a spark gap either into a high Z to obtain gamma rays or a tinfoil plate to shower the target with live electrons.
> >> What you actually said in:
> >> <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/_1eEehgsDD0/m/N1A5aV7ADAAJ>
> >> was:
> >> "The fact is that charging a string of capacitors in parallel to
> >> 100,000 volts and then discharging them in series for a total voltage
> >> of 120 million volts gives you a finite power in joules and you will
> >> do absolutely anything to avoid that."
> >>
> >> If you mentioned the details (high Z, gamma rays, and live electrons)
> >> in another posting, I couldn't find anything with Google Groups
> >> search.
> >>
> >> Nice buzzword salad. High-Z is high impedance. Applying a voltage to
> >> a high impedance does not produce gamma rays. Applying high voltage
> >> to a tinfoil plate produces sparks, heat, radio waves from the sparks,
> >> light, and probably smoke. I have no clue what a "live electron"
> >> might be.
> >>
> >> It looks to me that you lifted the buzzwords from various sources and
> >> mixed them together in an unintelligible sentence. For example,
> >> instead of high-Z, methinks you might mean the Z machine:
> >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z_Pulsed_Power_Facility>
> >> The term "live electrons" is probably "short-lived electrons" such as
> >> in fluorescence and particle physics. You seem to have all the right
> >> buzzwords, but somehow mangled them and re-assembled them into an
> >> incoherent sentence.
>
> >I realize that you cannot stop yourself from arguing about anything but all you had to do was do a search and you could have discovered for yourself that High-Z materials:
> >https://aapm.org/meetings/99AM/pdf/2264-15475.pdf
> Ok, you win this round. I don't do nuclear medicine and am not
> familiar with the lingo. You're also correct that I didn't bother
> searching for High-Z. In electronics, High-Z means high impedance:
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Z>
> which I assumed did not require a search for duplicate definitions.
> >Well, at least while waiting you were sure you finally had me and creamed all over yourself. Jeff, you must have the highest opinion of yourself of any third grade technician.
> Nope. You just won one minor skirmish. You still have a history of
> unanswered questions and dubious claims that could use some
> explanations. You rarely supply sources and substantiations. I'm
> really impressed that you actually were able to provide a source which
> uses High-Z.
> --
> Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
> PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
No, you lost all of my somewhat limited respect and I will no longer respond to you, John nor Flunkmeister and there isn't one thing that any of you have added to this group.

On Sat, 25 Dec 2021 08:38:35 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 3:50:33 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 14:52:26 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 2:29:56 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 08:00:29 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >I thought I mage it clear that I can't remember how it was switched from parallel charging mode to series discharge mode but that the series string was discharged via a spark gap either into a high Z to obtain gamma rays or a tinfoil plate to shower the target with live electrons.
>> >> What you actually said in:
>> >> <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/_1eEehgsDD0/m/N1A5aV7ADAAJ>
>> >> was:
>> >> "The fact is that charging a string of capacitors in parallel to
>> >> 100,000 volts and then discharging them in series for a total voltage
>> >> of 120 million volts gives you a finite power in joules and you will
>> >> do absolutely anything to avoid that."
>> >>
>> >> If you mentioned the details (high Z, gamma rays, and live electrons)
>> >> in another posting, I couldn't find anything with Google Groups
>> >> search.
>> >>
>> >> Nice buzzword salad. High-Z is high impedance. Applying a voltage to
>> >> a high impedance does not produce gamma rays. Applying high voltage
>> >> to a tinfoil plate produces sparks, heat, radio waves from the sparks,
>> >> light, and probably smoke. I have no clue what a "live electron"
>> >> might be.
>> >>
>> >> It looks to me that you lifted the buzzwords from various sources and
>> >> mixed them together in an unintelligible sentence. For example,
>> >> instead of high-Z, methinks you might mean the Z machine:
>> >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z_Pulsed_Power_Facility>
>> >> The term "live electrons" is probably "short-lived electrons" such as
>> >> in fluorescence and particle physics. You seem to have all the right
>> >> buzzwords, but somehow mangled them and re-assembled them into an
>> >> incoherent sentence.
>>
>> >I realize that you cannot stop yourself from arguing about anything but all you had to do was do a search and you could have discovered for yourself that High-Z materials:
>> >https://aapm.org/meetings/99AM/pdf/2264-15475.pdf
>> Ok, you win this round. I don't do nuclear medicine and am not
>> familiar with the lingo. You're also correct that I didn't bother
>> searching for High-Z. In electronics, High-Z means high impedance:
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Z>
>> which I assumed did not require a search for duplicate definitions.
>> >Well, at least while waiting you were sure you finally had me and creamed all over yourself. Jeff, you must have the highest opinion of yourself of any third grade technician.
>> Nope. You just won one minor skirmish. You still have a history of
>> unanswered questions and dubious claims that could use some
>> explanations. You rarely supply sources and substantiations. I'm
>> really impressed that you actually were able to provide a source which
>> uses High-Z.
>> --
>> Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
>> PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
>> Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
>> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
>No, you lost all of my somewhat limited respect and I will no longer respond to you, John nor Flunkmeister and there isn't one thing that any of you have added to this group.

By Gorry Tommy I think you are right!

I mean, who in the world would want to reply to a bunch of people that
spend their time pointing out to the world that you were wrong yet
again.

Which, it would seem, leaves you and Andy in what nasty little boys
call a "circle jerk" and more adult individuals refer to as "mutual
masturbation", i.e. you stroke me and I'll stroke you.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 5:36:14 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> On Sat, 25 Dec 2021 08:38:35 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
> >No, you lost all of my somewhat limited respect and I will no longer respond to you, John nor Flunkmeister and there isn't one thing that any of you have added to this group.
> By Gorry Tommy I think you are right!
>
> I mean, who in the world would want to reply to a bunch of people that
> spend their time pointing out to the world that you were wrong yet
> again.

Sounds like a mutually acceptable solution - provided tommy (and andre) can actually keep the bargain. I hope to be wrong on this, but it will only be a matter of time before tommy launches a 'first strike" personal attack against you, Frank, or anyone else who he deems a "bully". We already saw that in the "time of the year" thread, where he went off on Frank - who wasn't even commenting on that thread, and then started yet another qanon covid thread.

But, let's cut him some slack since he made the promise above after he posted those two messages. I wonder what odds Vegas would lay on it?

>
> Which, it would seem, leaves you and Andy

I'm sure you meant to write "andre" instead of "Andy". Though Andy seems to hold many of the same opinions as tommy, Andy is a gentleman about it, researching his facts before he posts, and never regressing into personal attacks. We can have a rational discussion with Andy and agree to disagree.

> in what nasty little boys
> call a "circle jerk" and more adult individuals refer to as "mutual
> masturbation", i.e. you stroke me and I'll stroke you.

And of course andre will chime right in with tommy, egging him on.

> --
> Cheers,
>
> John B.

On Sat, 18 Dec 2021 09:19:28 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 19:49:54 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>That's one of very few regrets, having sold my house and
>>moved my business 8-1/2 years ago. There's no Thai food in
>>this county whatsoever. My favorite near the old place
>>closed over a year ago when our Governor went jihad against
>>restaurants (sigh). The two nice elderly sisters who ran it
>>returned to Thailand.

There are 5400+ Thai restaurants in the USA. That's 100 per state.
There should be something Thai in your area. Yelp declares that there
are 10 or more Thai restaurants in Santa Cruz county:
<https://www.yelp.com/search?cflt=thai&find_loc=Santa+Cruz%2C+CA>
I've tried about 3 of these. All were quite good.

>Interesting, my wife's youngest brother's son married a Thai girl
>while at collage in the U.S., had a child born in the U.S., and lived
>there and ran a restaurant, for, it must be nearly 20 years, and
>recently gave it up and returned to Thailand.

I blundered into this video last night:

"Why Almost Every Town In America Has a Thai Restaurant"
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W09QCLmnCUU> (5:30)

The video suggests that the Thai government has had a plan or
conspiracy to export and subsidize Thai food and restaurants to the
USA. It also hints that nobody in Thailand eats noodles, which makes
up the bulk of the exported version of Thai food. I'm beginning to
consider the word "authentic" to indicate quite the opposite. Can you
give me a clue what is happening and what do you really eat in
Thailand? This stuff perhaps?
"8 Authentic Thai Dishes And How To Spot Their Fake Versions"
<https://www.foodrepublic.com/2015/02/17/8-authentic-thai-dishes-and-how-to-spot-their-fake-versions/>

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Sun, 26 Dec 2021 14:34:36 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Sat, 18 Dec 2021 09:19:28 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 19:49:54 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>That's one of very few regrets, having sold my house and
>>>moved my business 8-1/2 years ago. There's no Thai food in
>>>this county whatsoever. My favorite near the old place
>>>closed over a year ago when our Governor went jihad against
>>>restaurants (sigh). The two nice elderly sisters who ran it
>>>returned to Thailand.
>
>There are 5400+ Thai restaurants in the USA. That's 100 per state.
>There should be something Thai in your area. Yelp declares that there
>are 10 or more Thai restaurants in Santa Cruz county:
><https://www.yelp.com/search?cflt=thai&find_loc=Santa+Cruz%2C+CA>
>I've tried about 3 of these. All were quite good.
>
>>Interesting, my wife's youngest brother's son married a Thai girl
>>while at collage in the U.S., had a child born in the U.S., and lived
>>there and ran a restaurant, for, it must be nearly 20 years, and
>>recently gave it up and returned to Thailand.
>
>I blundered into this video last night:
>
>"Why Almost Every Town In America Has a Thai Restaurant"
><https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W09QCLmnCUU> (5:30)
>
>The video suggests that the Thai government has had a plan or
>conspiracy to export and subsidize Thai food and restaurants to the
>USA. It also hints that nobody in Thailand eats noodles, which makes
>up the bulk of the exported version of Thai food. I'm beginning to
>consider the word "authentic" to indicate quite the opposite. Can you
>give me a clue what is happening and what do you really eat in
>Thailand? This stuff perhaps?
>"8 Authentic Thai Dishes And How To Spot Their Fake Versions"
><https://www.foodrepublic.com/2015/02/17/8-authentic-thai-dishes-and-how-to-spot-their-fake-versions/>

There is a tremendous amount of "Bull Shit" in that video. True, Siam
changed it's name to Thailand (land of the free) in 1939 under the
dictator Major General Phibun, who also decreed the so called 12
Mandates - see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_cultural_mandates#Mandate_1
but publishing "decrees" and what the people actually do are two very
different things.

As for Noodles.Well, my wife's younger brother makes rice noodles and
uses literally tons of rice every day and is again, literally, a
millionaire, from wholesaling noodles.

As for authentic Thai dishes... well, that is a very complex subject
although generally Thai food has a lot of chili peppers in it, but if
you go into a Thai restaurant and order you can, and many Thai's do,
order "not pet", pet" being the Thai word to indicate "hot" or spicy.
as in chili peppers.

In addition there is no fixed recipe and every cook fixes it his/her
way. And... if you were to order, oh say, Pad Thai in a restaurant in
northern Thailand, Bangkok and somewhere down south you'd begin to
wonder what Pad Thai actually was it would be so different.

Every time I hear a Farang talk about Thai food I'm reminded of the
time visited a friend, who like me has lived a long time in Thailand,
at his son's place in Western Australia. The "Kids" took us out to
supper at a "Thai" restaurant and to be honest the only way we knew
what we were eating was to read the menu. It turned out that the wife
of the restaurant owner was Thai and I asked her, in Thai, about
"What's This?" and she told me that they had to make it special for
"these foreigners" :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.