I understand that to call someone with whatsapp, his name and number has
to go in the whatsapp contact list, but when I'm in whatsapp and I try
to put in a contact, it shows up in the general contact list and not the
whatsapp list. Tried 4 times, Paul2, Paul3, Paul4, and Paul5. All of
them promptly showed up in the general contacts list. And there they
won't work for me, to enable whatsapp calls.

This seems very strange.

Any suggestsions.

On 2024-01-17 04:34, micky wrote:
> I understand that to call someone with whatsapp, his name and number has
> to go in the whatsapp contact list, but when I'm in whatsapp and I try
> to put in a contact, it shows up in the general contact list and not the
> whatsapp list. Tried 4 times, Paul2, Paul3, Paul4, and Paul5. All of
> them promptly showed up in the general contacts list. And there they
> won't work for me, to enable whatsapp calls.
>
> This seems very strange.
>
> Any suggestsions.

There is only one contact list, the system one (the general one). That's
where new contacts go. Whatsapp simply keeps track of it and adds some
more info somewhere (if the contact has whatsapp, the photo, whatever).

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

Am 17.01.24 um 04:34 schrieb micky:
> I understand that to call someone with whatsapp, his name and number has
> to go in the whatsapp contact list, but when I'm in whatsapp and I try
> to put in a contact, it shows up in the general contact list and not the
> whatsapp list. Tried 4 times, Paul2, Paul3, Paul4, and Paul5. All of
> them promptly showed up in the general contacts list. And there they
> won't work for me, to enable whatsapp calls.
>
> This seems very strange.

That's the infamous business model of WA. Do you really think you get
the service for free? *You expose all your contacts*. Are you aware of this?

> Any suggestsions.

The sources of addresses/contacts for WA is your *complete addressbook*.
That's their business model. That's valid for most of the third party
messengers.

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"Gutta cavat lapidem." (Ovid)

Am 17.01.24 um 11:09 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
> On 2024-01-17 04:34, micky wrote:
>> I understand that to call someone with whatsapp, his name and number has
>> to go in the whatsapp contact list, but when I'm in whatsapp and I try
>> to put in a contact, it shows up in the general contact list and not the
>> whatsapp list. Tried 4 times, Paul2, Paul3, Paul4, and Paul5. All of
>> them promptly showed up in the general contacts list. And there they
>> won't work for me, to enable whatsapp calls.
>>
>> This seems very strange.
>>
>> Any suggestsions.
>
> There is only one contact list, the system one (the general one). That's
> where new contacts go. Whatsapp simply keeps track of it and adds some
> more info somewhere (if the contact has whatsapp, the photo, whatever).

And everyone in the contacts - if they like it or not - is exposed to
this criminal gang. That is why European companies forbid the use of WA
on company phones. Even in the US banks were fined a couple of hundred
million Dollars because employees used WA against all regulations.

--
"Gutta cavat lapidem." (Ovid)

In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 17 Jan 2024 11:09:00 +0100, "Carlos E.
R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

>On 2024-01-17 04:34, micky wrote:
>> I understand that to call someone with whatsapp, his name and number has
>> to go in the whatsapp contact list, but when I'm in whatsapp and I try
>> to put in a contact, it shows up in the general contact list and not the
>> whatsapp list. Tried 4 times, Paul2, Paul3, Paul4, and Paul5. All of
>> them promptly showed up in the general contacts list. And there they
>> won't work for me, to enable whatsapp calls.
>>
>> This seems very strange.
>>
>> Any suggestsions.
>
>There is only one contact list, the system one (the general one). That's
>where new contacts go. Whatsapp simply keeps track of it and adds some
>more info somewhere (if the contact has whatsapp, the photo, whatever).

That would make sense. Perhaps he isn't enrolled in whatsapp so they
won't make an entry for him? That would sort of surprise me because he
was a lawyer, he got around, wasn't afraid of airplanes or travel.

OTOH, he wouldn't buy anything made in China, even when somethings were
hard to get except those made in China. So maybe he read the warnings
in this thread and decided against whatsapp.

I've emailed him to ask him.

On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 11:29:13 +0100, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

> And everyone in the contacts - if they like it or not - is exposed to
> this criminal gang. That is why European companies forbid the use of WA
> on company phones.

They do? Which ones?

> Even in the US banks were fined a couple of hundred
> million Dollars because employees used WA against all regulations.

Source?

--
s|b

micky wrote on Tue, 16 Jan 2024 22:34:25 -0500 :

> I understand that to call someone with whatsapp, his name and number has
> to go in the whatsapp contact list

This is wrong.

WhatsApp has no access to your Android contacts database if set up right.

Carlos E. R. wrote on Wed, 17 Jan 2024 11:09:00 +0100 :

> There is only one contact list, the system one (the general one).

This is wrong.

There may be only one /default/ contact database.
But WhatsApp has a /direct dialer/ that maintains its own contacts.

As do all good contacts, dialers, SMS/MMS and VOIP programs on Android.

J�rg Lorenz wrote on Wed, 17 Jan 2024 11:21:39 +0100 :

> The sources of addresses/contacts for WA is your *complete addressbook*.

This is completely false.

The main reason is WhatsApp hashes the contacts so all they store is the
hash & another reason is WhatsApp can be set up to use the direct dialer.

Once you use the WhatsApp direct dialer, only /that/ contact is stored.

On 17.01.24 14:41, s|b wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 11:29:13 +0100, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>
>> And everyone in the contacts - if they like it or not - is exposed to
>> this criminal gang. That is why European companies forbid the use of WA
>> on company phones.
>
> They do? Which ones?

All. Otherwise they are in breach of the GDPR. Can be extremely
expensive and painful. Hence my connotation that *WA is for housewifes
and teenagers*. And forget this bullshit about E2E-encryption.

>> Even in the US banks were fined a couple of hundred
>> million Dollars because employees used WA against all regulations.
>
> Source?

I posted it a couple of months ago in this group.
Especially for the Trolls:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/08/business/banks-fines-whatsapp-records.html

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-27/wall-street-whatsapp-probe-poised-to-result-in-historic-fine

--
"Manus manum lavat."

On 17.01.24 15:32, Andrew wrote:
> Carlos E. R. wrote on Wed, 17 Jan 2024 11:09:00 +0100 :
>
>> There is only one contact list, the system one (the general one).
>
> This is wrong.
>
> There may be only one /default/ contact database.
> But WhatsApp has a /direct dialer/ that maintains its own contacts.
>
> As do all good contacts, dialers, SMS/MMS and VOIP programs on Android.

Thats wrong AFAIK. Can you deliver proof of this claim? I guess you can't.

--
"Manus manum lavat."

On 17.01.24 15:29, Andrew wrote:
> micky wrote on Tue, 16 Jan 2024 22:34:25 -0500 :
>
>> I understand that to call someone with whatsapp, his name and number has
>> to go in the whatsapp contact list
>
> This is wrong.
>
> WhatsApp has no access to your Android contacts database if set up right.

This is definitely wrong. With work arounds it is possible but the list
is unusable and contains only numbers.

--
"Manus manum lavat."

micky, 2024-01-17 04:34:

> I understand that to call someone with whatsapp, his name and number has
> to go in the whatsapp contact list, but when I'm in whatsapp and I try

And the person you want to call has to have WhatsApp as well. Just
because someone is in a contact list does not mean, you can use WhatsApp
to call someone.

--
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

Joerg Lorenz, 2024-01-17 17:56:

> On 17.01.24 14:41, s|b wrote:
>> On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 11:29:13 +0100, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>
>>> And everyone in the contacts - if they like it or not - is exposed to
>>> this criminal gang. That is why European companies forbid the use of WA
>>> on company phones.
>>
>> They do? Which ones?
>
> All. Otherwise they are in breach of the GDPR. Can be extremely
> expensive and painful. Hence my connotation that *WA is for housewifes
> and teenagers*. And forget this bullshit about E2E-encryption.
>
>>> Even in the US banks were fined a couple of hundred
>>> million Dollars because employees used WA against all regulations.
>>
>> Source?
>
> I posted it a couple of months ago in this group.
> Especially for the Trolls:
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/08/business/banks-fines-whatsapp-records.html
>
> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-27/wall-street-whatsapp-probe-poised-to-result-in-historic-fine

Better - without PayWall or need to register to read the stuff:

<https://www.reuters.com/business/us-sec-nearing-settlement-with-wall-street-firms-over-whatsapp-probe-sources-2023-09-28/>

--
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

Joerg Lorenz, 2024-01-17 17:58:

> On 17.01.24 15:32, Andrew wrote:
>> Carlos E. R. wrote on Wed, 17 Jan 2024 11:09:00 +0100 :
>>
>>> There is only one contact list, the system one (the general one).
>>
>> This is wrong.
>>
>> There may be only one /default/ contact database.
>> But WhatsApp has a /direct dialer/ that maintains its own contacts.
>>
>> As do all good contacts, dialers, SMS/MMS and VOIP programs on Android.
>
> Thats wrong AFAIK. Can you deliver proof of this claim? I guess you can't.

<https://github.com/alejandrolopezparra/AndroidContactsDatabase-tools>

--
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 17 Jan 2024 07:05:00 -0500, micky
<NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

>In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 17 Jan 2024 11:09:00 +0100, "Carlos E.
>R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On 2024-01-17 04:34, micky wrote:
>>> I understand that to call someone with whatsapp, his name and number has
>>> to go in the whatsapp contact list, but when I'm in whatsapp and I try
>>> to put in a contact, it shows up in the general contact list and not the
>>> whatsapp list. Tried 4 times, Paul2, Paul3, Paul4, and Paul5. All of
>>> them promptly showed up in the general contacts list. And there they
>>> won't work for me, to enable whatsapp calls.
>>>
>>> This seems very strange.
>>>
>>> Any suggestsions.
>>
>>There is only one contact list, the system one (the general one). That's
>>where new contacts go. Whatsapp simply keeps track of it and adds some
>>more info somewhere (if the contact has whatsapp, the photo, whatever).
>
>That would make sense. Perhaps he isn't enrolled in whatsapp so they
>won't make an entry for him? That would sort of surprise me because he
>was a lawyer, he got around, wasn't afraid of airplanes or travel.
>
>OTOH, he wouldn't buy anything made in China, even when somethings were
>hard to get except those made in China. So maybe he read the warnings
>in this thread and decided against whatsapp.
>
>I've emailed him to ask him.

He already wrote back: Not on whatsapp. He "appreciates the thought,
that I wanted to show him on video where I was."

So I think I almost understand how it works.

In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 17 Jan 2024 18:28:03 +0100, Arno Welzel
<usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:

>micky, 2024-01-17 04:34:
>
>> I understand that to call someone with whatsapp, his name and number has
>> to go in the whatsapp contact list, but when I'm in whatsapp and I try
>
>And the person you want to call has to have WhatsApp as well. Just
>because someone is in a contact list does not mean, you can use WhatsApp
>to call someone.

I knew that, but it wasn't in the forefront of my mind. I would have
been sure he had it anyhow, but he writes me now that he does not.

Do entries made from the regular dialer have lines for using whatsapp,
or are those entries ones I made while in whatsapp. I have more than
one entry for the same person, one with whatsapp lines and one without.

On 17.01.24 17:41, micky wrote:
> In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 17 Jan 2024 07:05:00 -0500, micky
> <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
>> OTOH, he wouldn't buy anything made in China, even when somethings were
>> hard to get except those made in China. So maybe he read the warnings
>> in this thread and decided against whatsapp.
>>
>> I've emailed him to ask him.
>
> He already wrote back: Not on whatsapp. He "appreciates the thought,
> that I wanted to show him on video where I was."

Wise man.

> So I think I almost understand how it works.

Very good.

--
"Manus manum lavat."

s|b <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 11:29:13 +0100, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>
> > And everyone in the contacts - if they like it or not - is exposed to
> > this criminal gang. That is why European companies forbid the use of WA
> > on company phones.
>
> They do? Which ones?

Get ready for utter deafening silence.

> > Even in the US banks were fined a couple of hundred
> > million Dollars because employees used WA against all regulations.
>
> Source?

Get ready for a cite which does not back up what he implies.

BTW, I'm amazed why he needs a 'cite' from accross the pond. Why can't
he just use a similar Dutch (non-)case which I gave him in an earlier
iteration of his endless foot-stamping?

On 2024-01-17 17:56, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> On 17.01.24 14:41, s|b wrote:
>> On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 11:29:13 +0100, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>
>>> And everyone in the contacts - if they like it or not - is exposed to
>>> this criminal gang. That is why European companies forbid the use of WA
>>> on company phones.
>>
>> They do? Which ones?
>
> All. Otherwise they are in breach of the GDPR. Can be extremely
> expensive and painful. Hence my connotation that *WA is for housewifes
> and teenagers*. And forget this bullshit about E2E-encryption.

False.

I know people on important technology companies, with company phones,
and using wasap.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

Am 17.01.24 um 21:53 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
> On 2024-01-17 17:56, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>> On 17.01.24 14:41, s|b wrote:
>>> On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 11:29:13 +0100, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>>
>>>> And everyone in the contacts - if they like it or not - is exposed to
>>>> this criminal gang. That is why European companies forbid the use of WA
>>>> on company phones.
>>>
>>> They do? Which ones?
>>
>> All. Otherwise they are in breach of the GDPR. Can be extremely
>> expensive and painful. Hence my connotation that *WA is for housewifes
>> and teenagers*. And forget this bullshit about E2E-encryption.
>
> False.

Sweet. Because you cannot handle an attack on your beloved housewife toy?

> I know people on important technology companies, with company phones,
> and using wasap.

That does not relativize what I say. The European law is clear about that.

--
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Arno Welzel wrote on Wed, 17 Jan 2024 18:33:39 +0100 :

>>> As do all good contacts, dialers, SMS/MMS and VOIP programs on Android.
>>
>> Thats wrong AFAIK. Can you deliver proof of this claim? I guess you can't.
>
> <https://github.com/alejandrolopezparra/AndroidContactsDatabase-tools>

It's futile to explain to the previous poster (Mr. Lorenz) that he doesn't
know what he's talking about with respect to the statement I made of:
"As do all good contacts, dialers, SMS/MMS and VOIP programs on Android."

It only takes one app to prove that "Mr. Lorenz" wrong, so here is one.
https://f-droid.org/en/packages/opencontacts.open.com.opencontacts/

Here's what it says about it so people can see what good apps actually do.
"This app saves contacts in its own database separate from android
contacts. This way no other app would be able to access contacts.

Can be used in place of your default phone(dialer) app.
It can import contacts from vCard files.
So we can export Android contacts and import into this app.
Maintains call log as well.
Also shows the person's name upon receiving call"

They even go so far as to provide the justification for private contacts.

"Even though we are not having any problem sharing our mobile number with
all third parties, people in our phone book might have. We should not be
sharing their contact information online."

Joerg Lorenz wrote on Wed, 17 Jan 2024 18:02:00 +0100 :

>> WhatsApp has no access to your Android contacts database if set up right.
>
> This is definitely wrong. With work arounds it is possible but the list
> is unusable and contains only numbers.

What's becoming obvious is that EVERYTHING you say is completely wrong.
https://play.google.com/store/search?q=whatsapp%20dialer&c=apps

On 2024-01-17 22:51, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 17.01.24 um 21:53 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
>> On 2024-01-17 17:56, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>> On 17.01.24 14:41, s|b wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 11:29:13 +0100, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> And everyone in the contacts - if they like it or not - is exposed to
>>>>> this criminal gang. That is why European companies forbid the use
>>>>> of WA
>>>>> on company phones.
>>>>
>>>> They do? Which ones?
>>>
>>> All. Otherwise they are in breach of the GDPR. Can be extremely
>>> expensive and painful. Hence my connotation that *WA is for housewifes
>>> and teenagers*. And forget this bullshit about E2E-encryption.
>>
>> False.
>
> Sweet. Because you cannot handle an attack on your beloved housewife toy?
>
>> I know people on important technology companies, with company phones,
>> and using wasap.
>
> That does not relativize what I say. The European law is clear about that.
>

Yeah, sure.

Because you hate wasap, we have to believe you?

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On 18.01.24 10:51, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2024-01-17 22:51, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>> Am 17.01.24 um 21:53 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
>>> On 2024-01-17 17:56, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>>> On 17.01.24 14:41, s|b wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 11:29:13 +0100, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> And everyone in the contacts - if they like it or not - is exposed to
>>>>>> this criminal gang. That is why European companies forbid the use
>>>>>> of WA
>>>>>> on company phones.
>>>>>
>>>>> They do? Which ones?
>>>>
>>>> All. Otherwise they are in breach of the GDPR. Can be extremely
>>>> expensive and painful. Hence my connotation that *WA is for housewifes
>>>> and teenagers*. And forget this bullshit about E2E-encryption.
>>>
>>> False.
>>
>> Sweet. Because you cannot handle an attack on your beloved housewife toy?
>>
>>> I know people on important technology companies, with company phones,
>>> and using wasap.
>>
>> That does not relativize what I say. The European law is clear about that.
>>
>
> Yeah, sure.
>
> Because you hate wasap, we have to believe you?

Just read the text of the law. It is so easy.
To help you to understand the topic and its scope I add the link of
Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation

There is a separate article concerning the fines in case of
noncompliance. The mentioned figures further above in this thread give
you an idea of the possible financial implications.

https://gdpr-info.eu

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