On 27.01.24 19:00, micky wrote:
> In comp.mobile.android, on Tue, 23 Jan 2024 10:56:04 +0100, Jörg Lorenz
> <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
>
>> On 21.01.24 19:05, Richmond wrote:
>>> Frankie <frankie@nospam.usa> writes:
>>>
>>>> On 21/1/2024, Richmond wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> When you install whatsapp you agree to giving it your contacts list as
>>>>> far as I remember.
>>>>
>>>> Since when does whatsapp _require_ your contacts list?
>>>
>>> Since when does anyone require whatsapp?
>>
>> Nobody needs Whats App at all.
>
> Nobody needs a cellphone either. Or a credit card, or a car, or
> central heating, or most of the clothes people own. One shirt, one pair
> of pants, and some shoes. That's all people need.

Philosophy groups are next door.

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"Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)

On 17.01.24 21:53, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2024-01-17 17:56, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>> On 17.01.24 14:41, s|b wrote:
>>> On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 11:29:13 +0100, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>>
>>>> And everyone in the contacts - if they like it or not - is exposed to
>>>> this criminal gang. That is why European companies forbid the use of WA
>>>> on company phones.
>>>
>>> They do? Which ones?
>>
>> All. Otherwise they are in breach of the GDPR. Can be extremely
>> expensive and painful. Hence my connotation that *WA is for housewifes
>> and teenagers*. And forget this bullshit about E2E-encryption.
>
> False.
>
> I know people on important technology companies, with company phones,
> and using wasap.

Look what happens if WA is used beyond the housewife- and teenager-domains:

https://www.thenational.scot/news/24069235.nicola-sturgeon-whatsapps-scottish-government-policy-explained/

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Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
> On 17.01.24 21:53, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> > On 2024-01-17 17:56, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> >> On 17.01.24 14:41, s|b wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 11:29:13 +0100, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> And everyone in the contacts - if they like it or not - is exposed to
> >>>> this criminal gang. That is why European companies forbid the use of WA
> >>>> on company phones.
> >>>
> >>> They do? Which ones?
> >>
> >> All. Otherwise they are in breach of the GDPR. Can be extremely
> >> expensive and painful. Hence my connotation that *WA is for housewifes
> >> and teenagers*. And forget this bullshit about E2E-encryption.
> >
> > False.
> >
> > I know people on important technology companies, with company phones,
> > and using wasap.
>
> Look what happens if WA is used beyond the housewife- and teenager-domains:
>
> https://www.thenational.scot/news/24069235.nicola-sturgeon-whatsapps-scottish-government-policy-explained/

I see your straw man isn't quite dead yet!

As with your earlier US FUD, also this Scottish case is about not
following proper *archival* procedures. It has nothing to do with
WhatsApp itself.

"Mercedes runs red light! All Mercedes vehicles are banned!"

FYI, the Dutch governement uses WhatsApp. And yes, we had a similar
issue when our PM's SMS messages were not properly archived.

On 2024-01-31 17:03, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> On 17.01.24 21:53, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2024-01-17 17:56, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>> On 17.01.24 14:41, s|b wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 11:29:13 +0100, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> And everyone in the contacts - if they like it or not - is exposed to
>>>>> this criminal gang. That is why European companies forbid the use of WA
>>>>> on company phones.
>>>>
>>>> They do? Which ones?
>>>
>>> All. Otherwise they are in breach of the GDPR. Can be extremely
>>> expensive and painful. Hence my connotation that *WA is for housewifes
>>> and teenagers*. And forget this bullshit about E2E-encryption.
>>
>> False.
>>
>> I know people on important technology companies, with company phones,
>> and using wasap.
>
> Look what happens if WA is used beyond the housewife- and teenager-domains:
>
> https://www.thenational.scot/news/24069235.nicola-sturgeon-whatsapps-scottish-government-policy-explained/

Exactly what is it there that you want to point out?

I see nothing in there talking of limiting the use of WhatsApp in
government. They only talk about how to archive, or delete, the
conversations _outside_ of the WhatsApp servers and on phones.

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Cheers, Carlos.

Am 31.01.24 um 18:23 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
> On 2024-01-31 17:03, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>> On 17.01.24 21:53, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 2024-01-17 17:56, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>>> On 17.01.24 14:41, s|b wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 11:29:13 +0100, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> And everyone in the contacts - if they like it or not - is exposed to
>>>>>> this criminal gang. That is why European companies forbid the use of WA
>>>>>> on company phones.
>>>>>
>>>>> They do? Which ones?
>>>>
>>>> All. Otherwise they are in breach of the GDPR. Can be extremely
>>>> expensive and painful. Hence my connotation that *WA is for housewifes
>>>> and teenagers*. And forget this bullshit about E2E-encryption.
>>>
>>> False.
>>>
>>> I know people on important technology companies, with company phones,
>>> and using wasap.
>>
>> Look what happens if WA is used beyond the housewife- and teenager-domains:
>>
>> https://www.thenational.scot/news/24069235.nicola-sturgeon-whatsapps-scottish-government-policy-explained/
>
> Exactly what is it there that you want to point out?
>
> I see nothing in there talking of limiting the use of WhatsApp in
> government. They only talk about how to archive, or delete, the
> conversations _outside_ of the WhatsApp servers and on phones.

If you do not see what the issue is then any discussion about serious
computing with you is useless.

The issue: Total noncompliance with rules and regulations concerning
traceability and storage.

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Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
> Am 31.01.24 um 18:23 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
> > On 2024-01-31 17:03, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> >> On 17.01.24 21:53, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> >>> On 2024-01-17 17:56, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> >>>> On 17.01.24 14:41, s|b wrote:
> >>>>> On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 11:29:13 +0100, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> And everyone in the contacts - if they like it or not - is exposed to
> >>>>>> this criminal gang. That is why European companies forbid the use of WA
> >>>>>> on company phones.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> They do? Which ones?
> >>>>
> >>>> All. Otherwise they are in breach of the GDPR. Can be extremely
> >>>> expensive and painful. Hence my connotation that *WA is for housewifes
> >>>> and teenagers*. And forget this bullshit about E2E-encryption.
> >>>
> >>> False.
> >>>
> >>> I know people on important technology companies, with company phones,
> >>> and using wasap.
> >>
> >> Look what happens if WA is used beyond the housewife- and teenager-domains:
> >>
> >> https://www.thenational.scot/news/24069235.nicola-sturgeon-whatsapps-scottish-government-policy-explained/
> >
> > Exactly what is it there that you want to point out?
> >
> > I see nothing in there talking of limiting the use of WhatsApp in
> > government. They only talk about how to archive, or delete, the
> > conversations _outside_ of the WhatsApp servers and on phones.
>
> If you do not see what the issue is then any discussion about serious
> computing with you is useless.

Translation from Joerg-speak to English: "I have no argument, so I
blame you for my shortcomings."

> The issue: Total noncompliance with rules and regulations concerning
> traceability and storage.

Exactly! Like Carlos and I said, nothing to do with WhatsApp itself.

Thanks for confirming that you have no valid argument. Only some silly
dislike of WhatsApp, i.e. an *opinion*, not a fact.

You're entitled to your opinion, however silly and childish it is.

Frank Slootweg wrote on 31 Jan 2024 18:35:50 GMT :

>> The issue: Total noncompliance with rules and regulations concerning
>> traceability and storage.
>
> Exactly! Like Carlos and I said, nothing to do with WhatsApp itself.

It never ceases to amaze me that people as stupid as Joerg is, exist.

They're so extremely confident in their always-wrong assessments.

I've never met anyone like that in my life - but Joerg proves they exist.
https://psychology.stackexchange.com/questions/17825/what-is-the-primary-source-of-the-mount-stupid-graphic