<<< Apple’s iMessage is not being designated as a “core platform
service” under the European Union’s Digital Markets Act (DMA), the
European Commission announced today. The decision means the service
won’t be hit with tough new obligations, including a requirement to
offer interoperability with other messaging services. The Commission
also opted against designating Microsoft’s Edge browser, Bing search
engine, and advertising business as core platform services. >>>

https://www.theverge.com/2024/2/13/23990679/apple-imessage-european-union-digital-markets-act-core-platform-service

Oddly: "Meta, meanwhile, has seen two of its messaging platforms,
WhatsApp and Messenger, designated as core platform services under the
DMA, and has been working to make them interoperable with third-party
services."

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> <<< Apple?s iMessage is not being designated as a ?core platform
> service? under the European Union?s Digital Markets Act (DMA), the
> European Commission announced today. The decision means the service
> won?t be hit with tough new obligations, including a requirement to
> offer interoperability with other messaging services. The Commission
> also opted against designating Microsoft?s Edge browser, Bing search
> engine, and advertising business as core platform services. >>>
>
> https://www.theverge.com/2024/2/13/23990679/apple-imessage-european-union-digital-markets-act-core-platform-service

So *this* time Apple is happy for doing *not* so well in the EU/
Europe! :-) (Same for Microsoft.)

> Oddly: "Meta, meanwhile, has seen two of its messaging platforms,
> WhatsApp and Messenger, designated as core platform services under the
> DMA, and has been working to make them interoperable with third-party
> services."

Don't know about (Facebook) Messenger (I don't know anybody who uses
Messenger [1]), but the non-requirement for iMessage and the requirement
for WhatsApp are obvious. As has been said many, many times, iMessage is
used very little in the EU, *because* WhatsApp is the major platform
with 90+% penetration rates in most European countries.

<https://www.doofinder.com/en/statistics/who-uses-whatsapp-the-most>

[1] Somewhat funny: The Messenger page (<https://www.messenger.com>)
doesn't even have a button/link for the Android app (but at the bottom
it has a trademark notice for "Google Play"), but of course there is a
Messenger app for Android.

On 2024-02-15 11:08, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>> <<< Apple?s iMessage is not being designated as a ?core platform
>> service? under the European Union?s Digital Markets Act (DMA), the
>> European Commission announced today. The decision means the service
>> won?t be hit with tough new obligations, including a requirement to
>> offer interoperability with other messaging services. The Commission
>> also opted against designating Microsoft?s Edge browser, Bing search
>> engine, and advertising business as core platform services. >>>
>>
>> https://www.theverge.com/2024/2/13/23990679/apple-imessage-european-union-digital-markets-act-core-platform-service
>
> So *this* time Apple is happy for doing *not* so well in the EU/
> Europe! :-) (Same for Microsoft.)
>
Apple claim 101M iCloud users in Europe. How many of those use iMessage
is another issue - but it is certainly not 0 as recent messages I've
exchanged with a few people in France, Germany and Italy attest.

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> On 2024-02-15 11:08, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> >> <<< Apple?s iMessage is not being designated as a ?core platform
> >> service? under the European Union?s Digital Markets Act (DMA), the
> >> European Commission announced today. The decision means the service
> >> won?t be hit with tough new obligations, including a requirement to
> >> offer interoperability with other messaging services. The Commission
> >> also opted against designating Microsoft?s Edge browser, Bing search
> >> engine, and advertising business as core platform services. >>>
> >>
> >> https://www.theverge.com/2024/2/13/23990679/apple-imessage-european-union-digital-markets-act-core-platform-service
> >
> > So *this* time Apple is happy for doing *not* so well in the EU/
> > Europe! :-) (Same for Microsoft.)
> >
> Apple claim 101M iCloud users in Europe. How many of those use iMessage
> is another issue - but it is certainly not 0

No, of course it's not zero, but it's very small compared to the
number of WhatsApp users. For example in our country, The Netherlands,
the number of WhatsApp users is 75% of the *total* population, including
anything from babies to very old people.

> as recent messages I've
> exchanged with a few people in France, Germany and Italy attest.

Of course those people will try to accomodate poor deprived USAsians.
They wouldn't want you (or themselves) need to fall back to SMS, would
they now!? :-)

But seriously, people use what they think is best in any given
situation. I for example am paying in USD when in the US, as, for some
strange reason, trying to pay in EUR is frowned upon.

Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> <<< Apple’s iMessage is not being designated as a “core platform
> service” under the European Union’s Digital Markets Act (DMA), the
> European Commission announced today. The decision means the service
> won’t be hit with tough new obligations, including a requirement to
> offer interoperability with other messaging services. The Commission
> also opted against designating Microsoft’s Edge browser, Bing search
> engine, and advertising business as core platform services. >>>
>
> https://www.theverge.com/2024/2/13/23990679/apple-imessage-european-union-digital-markets-act-core-platform-service
>
> Oddly: "Meta, meanwhile, has seen two of its messaging platforms,
> WhatsApp and Messenger, designated as core platform services under the
> DMA, and has been working to make them interoperable with third-party
> services."
>

I guess Microsoft and Apple have more money to pass under the table than
Facebook does.

On 2024-02-16 00:47, badgolferman wrote:
> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>> <<< Apple’s iMessage is not being designated as a “core platform
>> service” under the European Union’s Digital Markets Act (DMA), the
>> European Commission announced today. The decision means the service
>> won’t be hit with tough new obligations, including a requirement to
>> offer interoperability with other messaging services. The Commission
>> also opted against designating Microsoft’s Edge browser, Bing search
>> engine, and advertising business as core platform services. >>>
>>
>> https://www.theverge.com/2024/2/13/23990679/apple-imessage-european-union-digital-markets-act-core-platform-service
>>
>> Oddly: "Meta, meanwhile, has seen two of its messaging platforms,
>> WhatsApp and Messenger, designated as core platform services under the
>> DMA, and has been working to make them interoperable with third-party
>> services."
>>
>
> I guess Microsoft and Apple have more money to pass under the table than
> Facebook does.
>

No.

It is simply because usage of those platforms in the European Union is
negligible, so they are not considered "core platforms". Not important
enough.

Notice that the decision means that the lesser platforms (like iMessage)
can demand connectivity to the core plaforms (like WhatsApp). Not the
other way round.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Am 15.02.24 um 21:36 schrieb Frank Slootweg:
> For example in our country, The Netherlands,
> the number of WhatsApp users is 75% of the*total* population, including
> anything from babies to very old people.

A claim of a stupid and brain dead Dutch Troll.
No proof of the claim.

--
"De gustibus non est disputandum."

Am 16.02.24 um 14:47 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
> On 2024-02-16 00:47, badgolferman wrote:
>> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>> <<< Apple’s iMessage is not being designated as a “core platform
>>> service” under the European Union’s Digital Markets Act (DMA), the
>>> European Commission announced today. The decision means the service
>>> won’t be hit with tough new obligations, including a requirement to
>>> offer interoperability with other messaging services. The Commission
>>> also opted against designating Microsoft’s Edge browser, Bing search
>>> engine, and advertising business as core platform services. >>>
>>>
>>> https://www.theverge.com/2024/2/13/23990679/apple-imessage-european-union-digital-markets-act-core-platform-service
>>>
>>> Oddly: "Meta, meanwhile, has seen two of its messaging platforms,
>>> WhatsApp and Messenger, designated as core platform services under the
>>> DMA, and has been working to make them interoperable with third-party
>>> services."
>>>
>>
>> I guess Microsoft and Apple have more money to pass under the table than
>> Facebook does.
>>
>
> No.
>
> It is simply because usage of those platforms in the European Union is
> negligible, so they are not considered "core platforms". Not important
> enough.

You are exactly as stupid and brain dead as your Dutch Troll-friend:
That only serves the purpose to minimise bureaucracy and the cost
involved. The threshold is set accordingly.

You - like always - do not have an in depth understanding of the
involved legal and economic considerations of the new law. Further
discussions would have a bigot character. You are teenager-style fan-boy.

--
"De gustibus non est disputandum."

Jörg Lorenz, 2024-02-17 09:29:

> Am 15.02.24 um 21:36 schrieb Frank Slootweg:
>> For example in our country, The Netherlands,
>> the number of WhatsApp users is 75% of the*total* population, including
>> anything from babies to very old people.
>
> A claim of a stupid and brain dead Dutch Troll.
> No proof of the claim.

<https://www.statista.com/statistics/880842/number-of-whatsapp-users-in-the-netherlands/>

<https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/netherlands-population/>

Netherlands has a population of about 17.6 million people and a the same
time there are about 13.3 million WhatsApp users.

Just do the math: 13.3 / 17.6 * 100 = 75.57 (rounded to two decimals)

--
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

On 2024-02-17 09:35, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 16.02.24 um 14:47 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
>> On 2024-02-16 00:47, badgolferman wrote:
>>> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>>> <<< Apple’s iMessage is not being designated as a “core platform
>>>> service” under the European Union’s Digital Markets Act (DMA), the
>>>> European Commission announced today. The decision means the service
>>>> won’t be hit with tough new obligations, including a requirement to
>>>> offer interoperability with other messaging services. The Commission
>>>> also opted against designating Microsoft’s Edge browser, Bing search
>>>> engine, and advertising business as core platform services. >>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.theverge.com/2024/2/13/23990679/apple-imessage-european-union-digital-markets-act-core-platform-service
>>>>
>>>> Oddly: "Meta, meanwhile, has seen two of its messaging platforms,
>>>> WhatsApp and Messenger, designated as core platform services under the
>>>> DMA, and has been working to make them interoperable with third-party
>>>> services."
>>>>
>>>
>>> I guess Microsoft and Apple have more money to pass under the table than
>>> Facebook does.
>>>
>>
>> No.
>>
>> It is simply because usage of those platforms in the European Union is
>> negligible, so they are not considered "core platforms". Not important
>> enough.
>
> You are exactly as stupid and brain dead as your Dutch Troll-friend:
> That only serves the purpose to minimise bureaucracy and the cost
> involved. The threshold is set accordingly.
>
> You - like always - do not have an in depth understanding of the
> involved legal and economic considerations of the new law. Further
> discussions would have a bigot character. You are teenager-style fan-boy.
>
>

LOL.
--
Cheers, Carlos.

Jörg Lorenz, 2024-02-17 09:35:

> Am 16.02.24 um 14:47 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
>> On 2024-02-16 00:47, badgolferman wrote:
>>> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>>> <<< Apple’s iMessage is not being designated as a “core platform
>>>> service” under the European Union’s Digital Markets Act (DMA), the
>>>> European Commission announced today. The decision means the service
>>>> won’t be hit with tough new obligations, including a requirement to
>>>> offer interoperability with other messaging services. The Commission
>>>> also opted against designating Microsoft’s Edge browser, Bing search
>>>> engine, and advertising business as core platform services. >>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.theverge.com/2024/2/13/23990679/apple-imessage-european-union-digital-markets-act-core-platform-service

[...]

>> It is simply because usage of those platforms in the European Union is
>> negligible, so they are not considered "core platforms". Not important
>> enough.
>
> You are exactly as stupid and brain dead as your Dutch Troll-friend:
> That only serves the purpose to minimise bureaucracy and the cost
> involved. The threshold is set accordingly.

Well - Microsoft Edge and Bing are not considered a "core platform
service" due to their low market share.

See for yourself:

<https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share>
<https://gs.statcounter.com/search-engine-market-share>

Edge has a share of about 5% and Bing is just above 3% while Google
still dominates the market.

iMessage may be important in countries with a high market share of iOS
in general. But since the market share of iPhones is just about 30% in
Europe, most people rather use other messengers which are available on
Android as well.

> You - like always - do not have an in depth understanding of the
> involved legal and economic considerations of the new law. Further
> discussions would have a bigot character. You are teenager-style fan-boy.

And you have the "in depth understanding involved legal and economic
considerations of the new law"? Enlighten us! Any links for further reading?

--
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

Arno Welzel wrote on Sat, 17 Feb 2024 23:12:24 +0100 :

> Edge has a share of about 5% and Bing is just above 3% while Google
> still dominates the market.

I wonder if Google doesn't dominate even more of the browser market than
even that much as there are many variants of the Chromium browser code.

Personally, I use Ungoogled Chromium, but there are many variants such as
Opera or Iron or Epic or Comodo Dragon or Torch or Brave (and so on), some
of which are probably not available on Apple platforms but all of which are
on Android and Windows platforms.

> iMessage may be important in countries with a high market share of iOS
> in general. But since the market share of iPhones is just about 30% in
> Europe, most people rather use other messengers which are available on
> Android as well.

While I own Apple iPhones, Android phones and Windows PCs, overall Market
share of the iPhone is around 16% world wide and under double that in
Europe and under double that in the USA where people have lots of money.

If peopel have a lot of money to waste, then they can very easily afford to
buy into the Apple model of making customers pay for what others get free.

The problem with the iPhone market share is simply that most of the world
can't afford Apple's model of making you pay for everything that should be
free (and is free) on all the other common consumer platforms except Apple.

Apple's predatory pricing model only works when money is no object,
and when the access to the cloud is also a given almost 100% of the time.

Which is the case in the rich countries but not so in most of the world.

>> You - like always - do not have an in depth understanding of the
>> involved legal and economic considerations of the new law. Further
>> discussions would have a bigot character. You are teenager-style fan-boy.
>
> And you have the "in depth understanding involved legal and economic
> considerations of the new law"? Enlighten us! Any links for further reading?

I'm not sure of the laws but it's clear to anyone with a brain that Apple
gets away with murder in the United States because of the free market
system not infringing upon companies where in Europe they have a more hands
on system of regulating anti-consumer excesses of the large corporations.

While there are companies who are more anti-consumer than Apple (such as
Big Tobacco is) nobody sensible would ever say Apple's decisions are for
the consumer so I for one am happy that the EU uses its power to remove
part of the shaft that Apple always shoves into its customers user base.

In the USA, the only regulatory powers used against Apple are the many
state lawsuits Apple seems to keep losing - at the rate of about one a year
but it's better to regulate Apple up front rather than after the fact.

In the USA, they make Apple start to care about consumers by fining Apple.
In Europe, they make Apple start to care about consumers by refining Apple.

On 2024-02-17 17:12, Arno Welzel wrote:
> Jörg Lorenz, 2024-02-17 09:35:
>
>> Am 16.02.24 um 14:47 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
>>> On 2024-02-16 00:47, badgolferman wrote:
>>>> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>>>> <<< Apple’s iMessage is not being designated as a “core platform
>>>>> service” under the European Union’s Digital Markets Act (DMA), the
>>>>> European Commission announced today. The decision means the service
>>>>> won’t be hit with tough new obligations, including a requirement to
>>>>> offer interoperability with other messaging services. The Commission
>>>>> also opted against designating Microsoft’s Edge browser, Bing search
>>>>> engine, and advertising business as core platform services. >>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.theverge.com/2024/2/13/23990679/apple-imessage-european-union-digital-markets-act-core-platform-service
>
> [...]
>
>>> It is simply because usage of those platforms in the European Union is
>>> negligible, so they are not considered "core platforms". Not important
>>> enough.
>>
>> You are exactly as stupid and brain dead as your Dutch Troll-friend:
>> That only serves the purpose to minimise bureaucracy and the cost
>> involved. The threshold is set accordingly.
>
> Well - Microsoft Edge and Bing are not considered a "core platform
> service" due to their low market share.

Please cite where those are the reasons the newly sober European
Commission made that decision.

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
> Am 15.02.24 um 21:36 schrieb Frank Slootweg:
> > For example in our country, The Netherlands,
> > the number of WhatsApp users is 75% of the*total* population, including
> > anything from babies to very old people.
>
> A claim of a stupid and brain dead Dutch Troll.
> No proof of the claim.

Well, this "stupid and brain dead Dutch Troll" has posted proof
several times, but, as usual, a certain Swiss denier always has his
fingers in his ears and his hands before his eyes, because he can't face
facts, especially not when it concerns WhatsApp.

But because you ask so nicely, see

From: Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
Subject: Re: New whatsapp contacts go in general contacs list, not in whatsapp's.
Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android
Message-ID: <uomisj.o18.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2024 19:23:49 -0000

which was a response to ... <drum roll> ...

> Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:

And please note the "<nightmare alert!>".

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2024-02-17 09:35, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> > Am 16.02.24 um 14:47 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
> >> On 2024-02-16 00:47, badgolferman wrote:
> >>> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> >>>> <<< Apple?s iMessage is not being designated as a ?core platform
> >>>> service? under the European Union?s Digital Markets Act (DMA), the
> >>>> European Commission announced today. The decision means the service
> >>>> won?t be hit with tough new obligations, including a requirement to
> >>>> offer interoperability with other messaging services. The Commission
> >>>> also opted against designating Microsoft?s Edge browser, Bing search
> >>>> engine, and advertising business as core platform services. >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> https://www.theverge.com/2024/2/13/23990679/apple-imessage-european-union-digital-markets-act-core-platform-service
> >>>>
> >>>> Oddly: "Meta, meanwhile, has seen two of its messaging platforms,
> >>>> WhatsApp and Messenger, designated as core platform services under the
> >>>> DMA, and has been working to make them interoperable with third-party
> >>>> services."
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> I guess Microsoft and Apple have more money to pass under the table than
> >>> Facebook does.
> >>>
> >>
> >> No.
> >>
> >> It is simply because usage of those platforms in the European Union is
> >> negligible, so they are not considered "core platforms". Not important
> >> enough.
> >
> > You are exactly as stupid and brain dead as your Dutch Troll-friend:
> > That only serves the purpose to minimise bureaucracy and the cost
> > involved. The threshold is set accordingly.
> >
> > You - like always - do not have an in depth understanding of the
> > involved legal and economic considerations of the new law. Further
> > discussions would have a bigot character. You are teenager-style fan-boy.
> >
> >
>
> LOL.

I'm on the fence on whether Jörg's rants are funny or sad.

Have Jörg and 'Arlen' become one and the same person, i.e. no
arguments and only insults when someone posts something - like facts -
which 'they' do not like?

And if they've become one and the same person, is that bad or good?

Questions, questions, questions.

On the bright side, you and I apparently are "exactly as stupid and
brain dead", which I think is quite an accomplishment.

Alan Browne, 2024-02-18 02:07:

> On 2024-02-17 17:12, Arno Welzel wrote:
>> Jörg Lorenz, 2024-02-17 09:35:
>>
>>> Am 16.02.24 um 14:47 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
>>>> On 2024-02-16 00:47, badgolferman wrote:
>>>>> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>>>>> <<< Apple’s iMessage is not being designated as a “core platform
>>>>>> service” under the European Union’s Digital Markets Act (DMA), the
>>>>>> European Commission announced today. The decision means the service
>>>>>> won’t be hit with tough new obligations, including a requirement to
>>>>>> offer interoperability with other messaging services. The Commission
>>>>>> also opted against designating Microsoft’s Edge browser, Bing search
>>>>>> engine, and advertising business as core platform services. >>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.theverge.com/2024/2/13/23990679/apple-imessage-european-union-digital-markets-act-core-platform-service
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>>> It is simply because usage of those platforms in the European Union is
>>>> negligible, so they are not considered "core platforms". Not important
>>>> enough.
>>>
>>> You are exactly as stupid and brain dead as your Dutch Troll-friend:
>>> That only serves the purpose to minimise bureaucracy and the cost
>>> involved. The threshold is set accordingly.
>>
>> Well - Microsoft Edge and Bing are not considered a "core platform
>> service" due to their low market share.
>
>
> Please cite where those are the reasons the newly sober European
> Commission made that decision.

Well - that's the only logical reason. A system which is only used by
3-5% of all users can hardly be seen as "core platform service".

--
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

Frank Slootweg wrote:

> I'm on the fence on whether Jörg's rants are funny or sad.

If George's rants are funny then he's just a clown. If George's rants
are sad then he's just an idiot. I'm not sure which is worse...

Personally I see him as a self-important elitist who is desperately
trying to establish himself as an authority on everything.

On 2024-02-18 20:46, Arno Welzel wrote:
> Alan Browne, 2024-02-18 02:07:
>> On 2024-02-17 17:12, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>> Jörg Lorenz, 2024-02-17 09:35:
>>>> Am 16.02.24 um 14:47 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
>>>>> On 2024-02-16 00:47, badgolferman wrote:
>>>>>> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> <<< Apple’s iMessage is not being designated as a “core platform
>>>>>>> service” under the European Union’s Digital Markets Act (DMA), the
>>>>>>> European Commission announced today. The decision means the service
>>>>>>> won’t be hit with tough new obligations, including a requirement to
>>>>>>> offer interoperability with other messaging services. The Commission
>>>>>>> also opted against designating Microsoft’s Edge browser, Bing search
>>>>>>> engine, and advertising business as core platform services. >>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.theverge.com/2024/2/13/23990679/apple-imessage-european-union-digital-markets-act-core-platform-service
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>>> It is simply because usage of those platforms in the European Union is
>>>>> negligible, so they are not considered "core platforms". Not important
>>>>> enough.
>>>>
>>>> You are exactly as stupid and brain dead as your Dutch Troll-friend:
>>>> That only serves the purpose to minimise bureaucracy and the cost
>>>> involved. The threshold is set accordingly.
>>>
>>> Well - Microsoft Edge and Bing are not considered a "core platform
>>> service" due to their low market share.
>>
>>
>> Please cite where those are the reasons the newly sober European
>> Commission made that decision.
>
> Well - that's the only logical reason. A system which is only used by
> 3-5% of all users can hardly be seen as "core platform service".

My government did the same thing with telephone companies. They ordered
the big companies to accept interconnections from the smaller companies.
This had the funny side effect that my aunt, in small company A could
not phone her life old friend on company B, because both companies had
not an interconnection agreement and were not mandated to agree and
connect by force. They both could phone any one on the main companies,
but not one another.

Passed a few years, one company grew, and then the government added that
phone company to the list of dominant players, and ordered them to
accept connections from any other company.

Now my aunt could call her friend again :-)

And this was done following some EU directives that forced to open our
telephone market to competition.

It is how these things are done. iMessage is not a dominant player in
the European Union, just a fact. They are a minor player.

iMessage can, however, demand from WhatsApp to interconnect. The
reverse, no. Notice the wording: demand. WhatsApp is obligated to accept.

It is how politicians see these things.

IMHO, a bit silly. iMessage should be mandated to accept connections, IMHO.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 2024-02-18 14:46, Arno Welzel wrote:
> Alan Browne, 2024-02-18 02:07:
>
>> On 2024-02-17 17:12, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>> Jörg Lorenz, 2024-02-17 09:35:
>>>
>>>> Am 16.02.24 um 14:47 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
>>>>> On 2024-02-16 00:47, badgolferman wrote:
>>>>>> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> <<< Apple’s iMessage is not being designated as a “core platform
>>>>>>> service” under the European Union’s Digital Markets Act (DMA), the
>>>>>>> European Commission announced today. The decision means the service
>>>>>>> won’t be hit with tough new obligations, including a requirement to
>>>>>>> offer interoperability with other messaging services. The Commission
>>>>>>> also opted against designating Microsoft’s Edge browser, Bing search
>>>>>>> engine, and advertising business as core platform services. >>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.theverge.com/2024/2/13/23990679/apple-imessage-european-union-digital-markets-act-core-platform-service
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>>> It is simply because usage of those platforms in the European Union is
>>>>> negligible, so they are not considered "core platforms". Not important
>>>>> enough.
>>>>
>>>> You are exactly as stupid and brain dead as your Dutch Troll-friend:
>>>> That only serves the purpose to minimise bureaucracy and the cost
>>>> involved. The threshold is set accordingly.
>>>
>>> Well - Microsoft Edge and Bing are not considered a "core platform
>>> service" due to their low market share.
>>
>>
>> Please cite where those are the reasons the newly sober European
>> Commission made that decision.
>
> Well - that's the only logical reason. A system which is only used by
> 3-5% of all users can hardly be seen as "core platform service".

IOW you don't know why, precisely, they made this decision.

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

On 2/16/2024 5:47 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2024-02-16 00:47, badgolferman wrote:

<snip>

>> I guess Microsoft and Apple have more money to pass under the table than
>> Facebook does.
>>
>
> No.
>
> It is simply because usage of those platforms in the European Union is
> negligible, so they are not considered "core platforms". Not important
> enough.
>
> Notice that the decision means that the lesser platforms (like iMessage)
> can demand connectivity to the core plaforms (like WhatsApp). Not the
> other way round.

Whatsapp gained acceptance in Europe and parts of Asia because of
Android's dominance. So everyone, including iPhone uses, use WhatsApp
and even thought it's owned by Meta, it's considered a core platform
(much like WeChat in China).

Obviously Apple decided that the downside of making iMessage a core
platform outweighed the upside. At least in the U.S., iMessage is one of
the major reasons that consumers choose iPhones over Android devices.

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sms wrote on Sun, 18 Feb 2024 19:44:10 -0800 :

> iMessage is one of the major reasons that consumers choose iPhones
> over Android devices.

That's ridiculous.
If a platform can only run one messaging app - it's a dumb platform.

When I'm choosing a phone, the _last_ thing that matters in that decision
is what dime-a-dozen who-gives-a-shit messaging app it uses by default.

Anyone choosing the platform by what the default messaging app happens to
be at the moment doesn't understand anything about computers because the
whole point of a phone being "smart" is to run any app you want on it.

Picking a platform by app is like picking a phone by its default browser.
Or by its default mail user agent.
Or by it's default camera app.

These are computers.
Picking platforms by default app is as ridiculous as is anyone who does it.

On 2024-02-19, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> sms wrote on Sun, 18 Feb 2024 19:44:10 -0800 :
>
>> iMessage is one of the major reasons that consumers choose iPhones
>> over Android devices.
>
> That's ridiculous.

Nope, it's true.

> If a platform can only run one messaging app - it's a dumb platform.

You have to be incredibly ignorant to think iPhones can only run one
messaging app. Either that or this is your feeble attempt at erecting an
incredibly weak straw man. Either way you should be embarrassed.

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sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 2/16/2024 5:47 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2024-02-16 00:47, badgolferman wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>>> I guess Microsoft and Apple have more money to pass under the table than
>>> Facebook does.
>>>
>>
>> No.
>>
>> It is simply because usage of those platforms in the European Union is
>> negligible, so they are not considered "core platforms". Not important
>> enough.
>>
>> Notice that the decision means that the lesser platforms (like iMessage)
>> can demand connectivity to the core plaforms (like WhatsApp). Not the
>> other way round.
>
> Whatsapp gained acceptance in Europe and parts of Asia because of
> Android's dominance. So everyone, including iPhone uses, use WhatsApp
> and even thought it's owned by Meta, it's considered a core platform
> (much like WeChat in China).
>
> Obviously Apple decided that the downside of making iMessage a core
> platform outweighed the upside. At least in the U.S., iMessage is one of
> the major reasons that consumers choose iPhones over Android devices.
>

There’s also FaceTime which is quite popular among iOS users. Does Android
have a way to use that?

On 2024-02-19 04:44, sms wrote:
> On 2/16/2024 5:47 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2024-02-16 00:47, badgolferman wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>>> I guess Microsoft and Apple have more money to pass under the table than
>>> Facebook does.
>>>
>>
>> No.
>>
>> It is simply because usage of those platforms in the European Union is
>> negligible, so they are not considered "core platforms". Not important
>> enough.
>>
>> Notice that the decision means that the lesser platforms (like
>> iMessage) can demand connectivity to the core plaforms (like
>> WhatsApp). Not the other way round.
>
> Whatsapp gained acceptance in Europe and parts of Asia because of
> Android's dominance. So everyone, including iPhone uses, use WhatsApp
> and even thought it's owned by Meta, it's considered a core platform
> (much like WeChat in China).
>
> Obviously Apple decided that the downside of making iMessage a core
> platform outweighed the upside. At least in the U.S., iMessage is one of
> the major reasons that consumers choose iPhones over Android devices.
>

Companies do not decide if a platform is core or not. Apple has no say
in this. It is the EU who decides who is core, for the purpose of
mandating to open their platform to competitors inside the EU.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
> sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> > On 2/16/2024 5:47 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> >> On 2024-02-16 00:47, badgolferman wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> >>> I guess Microsoft and Apple have more money to pass under the table than
> >>> Facebook does.
> >>>
> >>
> >> No.
> >>
> >> It is simply because usage of those platforms in the European Union is
> >> negligible, so they are not considered "core platforms". Not important
> >> enough.
> >>
> >> Notice that the decision means that the lesser platforms (like iMessage)
> >> can demand connectivity to the core plaforms (like WhatsApp). Not the
> >> other way round.
> >
> > Whatsapp gained acceptance in Europe and parts of Asia because of
> > Android's dominance. So everyone, including iPhone uses, use WhatsApp
> > and even thought it's owned by Meta, it's considered a core platform
> > (much like WeChat in China).
> >
> > Obviously Apple decided that the downside of making iMessage a core
> > platform outweighed the upside. At least in the U.S., iMessage is one of
> > the major reasons that consumers choose iPhones over Android devices.
>
> There?s also FaceTime which is quite popular among iOS users. Does Android
> have a way to use that?

Yes, it's called 'WhatsApp'! :-)

But seriously, FaceTime is as closed as iMessage, Apple-only.