On 3/13/24 4:40 AM, Newyana2 wrote:

>I avoid any online banking. I can still walk and drive. Social
>security is auto-deposited.

I go one step further. ALL my bills are automatically deducted from my bank
accounts including using my (cashback) credit card if allowed by the vendor
(some don't because of the extra expense to them). And likewise the
deposits: SS, my retirement check, and investment income. Nothing has come
by physical mail in years which IMO is much more dangerous...

>I've also locked my credit. In
>the US one can contact 3 credit reporting agencies, establish
>a lock, and from then on no credit cards can be issued. If
>you need a new credit card, you unlock it temporarily.

Perhaps for a NEW card but I also have had all 3 credit bureaus locked for
years and my (cashback) cards keep automatically renewing...

>That
>method also provides a great excuse for pushy store clerks
>who want me to sign up for their store card. "Oh, I'd love to,
>but I have my credit locked. Haven't you done that yourself?"

I just say no thank you as I present my (cashback :) card. No excuses are
required...

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
[...]

[About 'landlines':]

> I don't know about UK, but here in Spain all clients on fibre have a
> VoIP system, hidden. At the home, there is a device called ONT (Optical
> network terminal), which can be integrated on the router, that converts
> the phone over IP signals to an RJ-11 where we connect our traditional
> phone terminals.

I (in The Netherlands) have the same kind of setup on our (coax, HFC)
cable connection and I indeed connect the (DECT) phone to the RJ-11 of
the modem/router.

Ours is indeed a 'landline' and has a city-based landline number
(non-06), not a mobile number (06).

OTOH, the phone is a 'mobile' phone, just not very mobile! :-)

VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:
[...]

> I resist putting a bank app on my smartphone. Anyone that has physical
> access could get into my account using the . My banks app says "Secure
> your account with a 4-digit passcode or biometric on supported devices."
> Sure wish the PIN were longer, like at least 8 digits, and more like a
> password where I can use alphanumeric characters, capitalization, and
> non-alphanumeric characters. Or to use both a PIN *and* biometrics
> (fingerprint sensor).

I don't use a bank app on my smartphone either. No need, on-line
banking on my laptop works just fine (with the bank's hardware TOTP
device).

*If* you use a bank app, of course you don't only have to protect the
bank app with PIN/password/biometrics, but first of all have to protect
the whole phone with PIN/password/biometrics. So your scenario of
"Anyone that has physical access could get into my [bank] account" is a
non-existing one, because physical access does not mean they can get
'in' your phone.

Of course there is the theoretical scenario of someone getting hold of
your phone while it is still unlocked - for example they grab it from
your hands and run away -, but even in that scenario, any sensitive apps
- such as your bank app - are still protected by their own PIN/password/
biometrics.

OTOH, if your name is 'Newyana2', *anything* goes! :-)

[...]

Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> Wrote in message:

> More reading, there's a script decrypt.py in the docs directory of
> Aegis' Github which apparently can be used to decrypt the vault as
> well. I don't know what format that produces or if it can be imported by
> other tools. I should try that, obviously.

Obviously!
But I hadn't actually tried decrypting an andOTP backup. So I did,
on Linux, using this:
https://github.com/asmw/andOTP-decrypt

It produces a set of QR code image files.
--
Remove numerics from my email address.

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2024-03-13 09:11, Chris wrote:
>> Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
>>> On 10.03.24 10:44, Bob Henson wrote:
>>>> Newyana2 wrote:
>>>>> At one point I played with crypto a bit. I had to upload a picture
>>>>> ID (drivers license), as well as giving them my email address and
>>>>> access to my bank account. As I recall I think they sent a voice
>>>>> message code to my landline, which is a lot more security in terms of
>>>>> proof of ID than a cellphone. The lamdline is registered to -- and
>>>>> wired to -- a physical address.
>>>>
>>>> They will struggle in the UK soon, then. All landlines disappear by the end
>>>> of 2025 - there will only be VoIP.
>>>
>>> Hardly ever read so much nonsense. We know Newyana does not have a cell
>>> phone but he or she wants to have a big mouth in technical groups
>>> discussing mobile technology.
>>>
>>> For you: IP-telephone lines are landlines. Landlines are not what you
>>> think they are. The backend is even in the UK ip-based for years.
>>
>> Do you have evidence for that? It's true that UK telephony has been digital
>> for a long time within the BT network, but that doesn't mean it's
>> internet/ip-based.
>
> I don't know about UK, but here in Spain all clients on fibre have a
> VoIP system, hidden. At the home, there is a device called ONT (Optical
> network terminal), which can be integrated on the router, that converts
> the phone over IP signals to an RJ-11 where we connect our traditional
> phone terminals.
>
> In fact, companies hide the VoIP credentials so that connecting a VoIP
> phone instead is not trivial.
>
> The stated goal is to remove all copper exchanges, migrating everybody
> to fibre (or some form of radio). The buildings can then be sold, they
> are in the city centres and are worth a packet.
>
> My understanding is that the UK is doing more or less the same, and many
> countries are on the same road. Which means that a lot of the current
> phone network is no longer circuit switched.

I'm aware of that, but that's the recent (domestic) move away from copper
lines and VOIP.

Jörg's comment was about the backhaul being ip-based for a much longer
period.

Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote:
> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 2024-03-12 13:53, Newyana2 wrote:
>>>> "AJL" <noemail@none.org> wrote
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>>>
>>>> As Carlos put it, people addicted to cellphones would like to
>>>> believe that everyone else "does not matter". They not only want
>>>> cellphone options, they want cellphone interaction to be enforced as
>>>> the only option. They want to live in Cellphone World.
>>>
>>> Addicted? No, simply banks are using a device that everybody has,
>>> instead of making their clients buy an extra hardware device, not
>>> cheap, for needed extra security.
>>
>> Banks here used to provide a hardware device for free which you used
>> with your bank card at home.
>>
>> The annoying thing was that you ended up with one for each bank -
>> despite using the same technology - and you were stuck if you didn't
>> have it with you.
>
> I still use a little plastic device which the bank gave to me free of
> charge. (And replaced free of charge when the battery went flat).
>
> I would rather use it than use an android phone. I don't trust the
> security of android phones, and I have a suspicion that banks don't
> either, but they are not taking responsibility. Who will pay if your
> phone gets malware on it and steals your credentials?

In that scenario the TOTP is least of your problems. Access to your emails
is far more valuable.

Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

> VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:
> [...]
>
>> I resist putting a bank app on my smartphone. Anyone that has physical
>> access could get into my account using the . My banks app says "Secure
>> your account with a 4-digit passcode or biometric on supported devices."
>> Sure wish the PIN were longer, like at least 8 digits, and more like a
>> password where I can use alphanumeric characters, capitalization, and
>> non-alphanumeric characters. Or to use both a PIN *and* biometrics
>> (fingerprint sensor).
>
> I don't use a bank app on my smartphone either. No need, on-line
> banking on my laptop works just fine (with the bank's hardware TOTP
> device).

My bank does not offer a hardware-based TOTP device, like a Yubi key.
Mine is a community bank (no fees of any kind). They're a bit behind on
technology.

> *If* you use a bank app, of course you don't only have to protect the
> bank app with PIN/password/biometrics, but first of all have to protect
> the whole phone with PIN/password/biometrics. So your scenario of
> "Anyone that has physical access could get into my [bank] account" is a
> non-existing one, because physical access does not mean they can get
> 'in' your phone.
>
> Of course there is the theoretical scenario of someone getting hold of
> your phone while it is still unlocked - for example they grab it from
> your hands and run away -, but even in that scenario, any sensitive apps
> - such as your bank app - are still protected by their own PIN/password/
> biometrics.

Unfortunately my old LG V20 (c.2016) doesn't have an app lock feature.
I have it configured to lock after 1 minute of idle. I am averse to
installing yet another app to put a lock on other apps, but I might have
to go that route. Yet another nail in the coffin of my old phone to get
a new one. However, I read that App Locker isn't available in every
smartphone. For example, some Samsungs have it, but not all Samsungs.

Considering theft can incur violence, I could get knocked out, forced at
gun/knife point or by multiple assailants, dead, or the phone swiped
while I'm using it, and someone can still press my finger to the
fingerprint sensor. A finger on a sensor is handy to unlock the phone,
but doesn't require the user is voluntarily using it. Although I have
the fingerprint sensor configured to unlock the phone, it sometimes
still asks for my PIN to regain access probably to account for possible
theft of the phone, but the revert from fingerprint unlock to PIN unlock
is infrequent.

Never had to hand your phone to someone else to use it? That's done all
the time when I get a grocery delivery, tell them I'll sign for it
(instead of them leaving it at the door for me to discover sometime
later), and the driver gives me their phone to sign for the delivery.
I've not yet been in the situation where I'm assualted for my phone, but
then security isn't about what has happened but what might happen. It's
like anti-virus software: if you've been infected then too late, it's to
prevent infection later.

> OTOH, if your name is 'Newyana2', *anything* goes! :-)

Isn't Newyana2 a later nym that Mayayana started using about Sep 2023?

I decided to test my bank's Android app. It requires both a fingerprint
unlock and PIN to get into the app, so that helps secure it better.

VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:
> Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>
> > VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:
> > [...]
> >
> >> I resist putting a bank app on my smartphone. Anyone that has physical
> >> access could get into my account using the . My banks app says "Secure
> >> your account with a 4-digit passcode or biometric on supported devices."
> >> Sure wish the PIN were longer, like at least 8 digits, and more like a
> >> password where I can use alphanumeric characters, capitalization, and
> >> non-alphanumeric characters. Or to use both a PIN *and* biometrics
> >> (fingerprint sensor).
> >
> > I don't use a bank app on my smartphone either. No need, on-line
> > banking on my laptop works just fine (with the bank's hardware TOTP
> > device).
>
> My bank does not offer a hardware-based TOTP device, like a Yubi key.
> Mine is a community bank (no fees of any kind). They're a bit behind on
> technology.
>
> > *If* you use a bank app, of course you don't only have to protect the
> > bank app with PIN/password/biometrics, but first of all have to protect
> > the whole phone with PIN/password/biometrics. So your scenario of
> > "Anyone that has physical access could get into my [bank] account" is a
> > non-existing one, because physical access does not mean they can get
> > 'in' your phone.
> >
> > Of course there is the theoretical scenario of someone getting hold of
> > your phone while it is still unlocked - for example they grab it from
> > your hands and run away -, but even in that scenario, any sensitive apps
> > - such as your bank app - are still protected by their own PIN/password/
> > biometrics.
>
> Unfortunately my old LG V20 (c.2016) doesn't have an app lock feature.

The app locking isn't a feature of the phone, but a - required -
feature of the app. In another response you've indicated that you bank's
app indeed does that.

So (privacy/security) sensitive apps have a lock feature *in* the app.

[...]

> Considering theft can incur violence, I could get knocked out, forced at
> gun/knife point or by multiple assailants, dead, or the phone swiped
> while I'm using it, and someone can still press my finger to the
> fingerprint sensor. A finger on a sensor is handy to unlock the phone,
> but doesn't require the user is voluntarily using it. Although I have
> the fingerprint sensor configured to unlock the phone, it sometimes
> still asks for my PIN to regain access probably to account for possible
> theft of the phone, but the revert from fingerprint unlock to PIN unlock
> is infrequent.

It's more likely that the thief/assailant just takes the phone and
runs, instead of forcing you through *all* the steps needed to get some
money/information out of you, but indeed nothing is impossible and this
has very little to do with smartphone security/privacy.

> Never had to hand your phone to someone else to use it?

No, not without me supervising its use. And again, they might be able
to perform some actions, but they can't get into any sensitive apps.

[Irrelevant reverse scenario deleted.]

> I've not yet been in the situation where I'm assualted for my phone, but
> then security isn't about what has happened but what might happen. It's
> like anti-virus software: if you've been infected then too late, it's to
> prevent infection later.

See above. You lose your *phone*, so you buy a new one and start over.

> > OTOH, if your name is 'Newyana2', *anything* goes! :-)
>
> Isn't Newyana2 a later nym that Mayayana started using about Sep 2023?

Yes, but not everybody knows that, so I'm referring to him by his
new/current nym.

On 2024-03-14 15:28, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:
>> Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:

....

>> Never had to hand your phone to someone else to use it?
>
> No, not without me supervising its use. And again, they might be able
> to perform some actions, but they can't get into any sensitive apps.
>
> [Irrelevant reverse scenario deleted.]

It is normal with delivery people that I have to sign a form on their
phone or rather tablet. I hope it is not their personal phone.

I don't normally hand over my phone, except on some places they showing
or helping me how to do something. And the phone is placed so that I can
see everything.

For instance, yesterday I went to see Dune 2. I showed the ticket on my
phone at the entrance for scanning (the dot code was equivalent to a 7
character word), went to one of the nearly twenty "rooms", and then I
realized I could not see what row and seat I was on. I had to double
back to ask the lady at the entrance. She smiled. The email had a line
she had to find in my phone that said:

Entradas: 1 x -Miércoles al cine VIP (6,70 € - 710)

Well, the seat is "710", ie, row 7, 10th chair. Someone goofed the email
design, and the staff knows. The lady moved the email with her finger to
find the line, then pointed it at me and decoded it for me. We both had
a laugh.

....

--
Cheers, Carlos.

"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote

| For instance, yesterday I went to see Dune 2. I showed the ticket on my
| phone at the entrance for scanning (the dot code was equivalent to a 7
| character word), went to one of the nearly twenty "rooms", and then I
| realized I could not see what row and seat I was on. I had to double
| back to ask the lady at the entrance. She smiled. The email had a line
| she had to find in my phone that said:
| | Entradas: 1 x -Miércoles al cine VIP (6,70 € - 710)
| | Well, the seat is "710", ie, row 7, 10th chair. Someone goofed the email
| design, and the staff knows. The lady moved the email with her finger to
| find the line, then pointed it at me and decoded it for me. We both had
| a laugh.
|

So much trouble. I go to my local theater, hand them a $10 bill
(because I'm a senior) and sit where I like. :)

Though I'm waiting
on Dune2. I'm not sure I want to spend almost 3 hours to watch
a mediocre movie. I saw the first one. As a former Frank Herbert
fan I was disappointed that a book full of complicated psychological
details was reduced to a flashy shoot-'em-up. Sometimes it seems
like every movie now is just fight scenes.

On 2024-03-14 18:49, Newyana2 wrote:
> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
>
> | For instance, yesterday I went to see Dune 2. I showed the ticket on my
> | phone at the entrance for scanning (the dot code was equivalent to a 7
> | character word), went to one of the nearly twenty "rooms", and then I
> | realized I could not see what row and seat I was on. I had to double
> | back to ask the lady at the entrance. She smiled. The email had a line
> | she had to find in my phone that said:
> |
> | Entradas: 1 x -Miércoles al cine VIP (6,70 € - 710)
> |
> | Well, the seat is "710", ie, row 7, 10th chair. Someone goofed the email
> | design, and the staff knows. The lady moved the email with her finger to
> | find the line, then pointed it at me and decoded it for me. We both had
> | a laugh.
> |
>
> So much trouble. I go to my local theater, hand them a $10 bill
> (because I'm a senior) and sit where I like. :)

I sit where I like by choosing the seat in advance. Online I get a map
of the theatre and I click on the best seat, because two hours before
the showtime there are seats to choose from.

If I arrive at the venue to buy the ticket I have to wait a lineup, and
I'm given a random seat, more or less with my specs. Or I can go to a
machine seller.

Oh, that was 6.70€ for a seat on the VIP row - cheaper than your senior
price :-p

Wednesday is the cheap day here.

> Though I'm waiting
> on Dune2. I'm not sure I want to spend almost 3 hours to watch
> a mediocre movie. I saw the first one. As a former Frank Herbert
> fan I was disappointed that a book full of complicated psychological
> details was reduced to a flashy shoot-'em-up. Sometimes it seems
> like every movie now is just fight scenes.

There was also a shoot them game for PCs in the 80's :-p

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 2024-03-13 21:00, Chris wrote:
> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2024-03-13 09:11, Chris wrote:
>>> Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
>>>> On 10.03.24 10:44, Bob Henson wrote:
>>>>> Newyana2 wrote:
>>>>>> At one point I played with crypto a bit. I had to upload a picture
>>>>>> ID (drivers license), as well as giving them my email address and
>>>>>> access to my bank account. As I recall I think they sent a voice
>>>>>> message code to my landline, which is a lot more security in terms of
>>>>>> proof of ID than a cellphone. The lamdline is registered to -- and
>>>>>> wired to -- a physical address.
>>>>>
>>>>> They will struggle in the UK soon, then. All landlines disappear by the end
>>>>> of 2025 - there will only be VoIP.
>>>>
>>>> Hardly ever read so much nonsense. We know Newyana does not have a cell
>>>> phone but he or she wants to have a big mouth in technical groups
>>>> discussing mobile technology.
>>>>
>>>> For you: IP-telephone lines are landlines. Landlines are not what you
>>>> think they are. The backend is even in the UK ip-based for years.
>>>
>>> Do you have evidence for that? It's true that UK telephony has been digital
>>> for a long time within the BT network, but that doesn't mean it's
>>> internet/ip-based.
>>
>> I don't know about UK, but here in Spain all clients on fibre have a
>> VoIP system, hidden. At the home, there is a device called ONT (Optical
>> network terminal), which can be integrated on the router, that converts
>> the phone over IP signals to an RJ-11 where we connect our traditional
>> phone terminals.
>>
>> In fact, companies hide the VoIP credentials so that connecting a VoIP
>> phone instead is not trivial.
>>
>> The stated goal is to remove all copper exchanges, migrating everybody
>> to fibre (or some form of radio). The buildings can then be sold, they
>> are in the city centres and are worth a packet.
>>
>> My understanding is that the UK is doing more or less the same, and many
>> countries are on the same road. Which means that a lot of the current
>> phone network is no longer circuit switched.
>
> I'm aware of that, but that's the recent (domestic) move away from copper
> lines and VOIP.
>
> Jörg's comment was about the backhaul being ip-based for a much longer
> period.

It is so in his country, to my understanding.

The Swiss I know have a tendency to think that the changes applied in
their country have also been applied elsewhere :-D

Like no TV over the air.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 2024-03-13 19:29, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> [...]
>
> [About 'landlines':]
>
>> I don't know about UK, but here in Spain all clients on fibre have a
>> VoIP system, hidden. At the home, there is a device called ONT (Optical
>> network terminal), which can be integrated on the router, that converts
>> the phone over IP signals to an RJ-11 where we connect our traditional
>> phone terminals.
>
> I (in The Netherlands) have the same kind of setup on our (coax, HFC)
> cable connection and I indeed connect the (DECT) phone to the RJ-11 of
> the modem/router.
>
> Ours is indeed a 'landline' and has a city-based landline number
> (non-06), not a mobile number (06).
>
> OTOH, the phone is a 'mobile' phone, just not very mobile! :-)

Yep, same thing here.

I forgot to mention that this "advancement" means that the phone dies if
the house power fails, unless you invest on an UPS for the router. So
you can not call the electrician.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2024-03-13 19:29, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> > [...]
> >
> > [About 'landlines':]
> >
> >> I don't know about UK, but here in Spain all clients on fibre have a
> >> VoIP system, hidden. At the home, there is a device called ONT (Optical
> >> network terminal), which can be integrated on the router, that converts
> >> the phone over IP signals to an RJ-11 where we connect our traditional
> >> phone terminals.
> >
> > I (in The Netherlands) have the same kind of setup on our (coax, HFC)
> > cable connection and I indeed connect the (DECT) phone to the RJ-11 of
> > the modem/router.
> >
> > Ours is indeed a 'landline' and has a city-based landline number
> > (non-06), not a mobile number (06).
> >
> > OTOH, the phone is a 'mobile' phone, just not very mobile! :-)
>
> Yep, same thing here.
>
> I forgot to mention that this "advancement" means that the phone dies if
> the house power fails, unless you invest on an UPS for the router. So
> you can not call the electrician.

Yes, in Australia, a subscriber can get (or gets by default?) a UPS as
part of the set up of such 'landlines' on the fibre NBN (National
Broadband Network).

Next thing, users connect their DECT phones, which also need power,
but which are not connected to the UPS. Guess what happens in case of a
power failure? :-) (Yes, I've seen it with my very eyes.)

On 3/14/24 10:49 AM, Newyana2 wrote:
> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
>
> | For instance, yesterday I went to see Dune 2. I showed the ticket on my
> | phone at the entrance for scanning (the dot code was equivalent to a 7
> | character word), went to one of the nearly twenty "rooms", and then I
> | realized I could not see what row and seat I was on. I had to double
> | back to ask the lady at the entrance. She smiled. The email had a line
> | she had to find in my phone that said:
> |
> | Entradas: 1 x -Miércoles al cine VIP (6,70 € - 710)
> |
> | Well, the seat is "710", ie, row 7, 10th chair. Someone goofed the email
> | design, and the staff knows. The lady moved the email with her finger to
> | find the line, then pointed it at me and decoded it for me. We both had
> | a laugh.
> |
>
> So much trouble. I go to my local theater, hand them a $10 bill
> (because I'm a senior) and sit where I like. :)

I'm trying to remember the last movie I saw that was worth $10. Maybe
Terminator 2, but we have a blu-ray which cost less than that. It's
been a long time since I actually wanted to see a movie in a theater.

> Though I'm waiting
> on Dune2. I'm not sure I want to spend almost 3 hours to watch
> a mediocre movie. I saw the first one. As a former Frank Herbert
> fan I was disappointed that a book full of complicated psychological
> details was reduced to a flashy shoot-'em-up. Sometimes it seems
> like every movie now is just fight scenes.

I read the books. Too many words :-) I was especially annoyed by his
introduction of a foreign word which was never used again. Sorry, a LOT
of snippage would have improved things immensely.

More and more movies are becoming interesting only because of the
special effects etc. D1 was one of them. Sometimes (latest John Wick)
they get carried way too far :-(

--
Cheers, Bev
"The object in life is not to be on the side of the
majority, but to be insane in such a useful way that
they can't commit you." -- Mark Edwards

On 2024-03-14 21:23, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2024-03-13 19:29, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> [About 'landlines':]
>>>
>>>> I don't know about UK, but here in Spain all clients on fibre have a
>>>> VoIP system, hidden. At the home, there is a device called ONT (Optical
>>>> network terminal), which can be integrated on the router, that converts
>>>> the phone over IP signals to an RJ-11 where we connect our traditional
>>>> phone terminals.
>>>
>>> I (in The Netherlands) have the same kind of setup on our (coax, HFC)
>>> cable connection and I indeed connect the (DECT) phone to the RJ-11 of
>>> the modem/router.
>>>
>>> Ours is indeed a 'landline' and has a city-based landline number
>>> (non-06), not a mobile number (06).
>>>
>>> OTOH, the phone is a 'mobile' phone, just not very mobile! :-)
>>
>> Yep, same thing here.
>>
>> I forgot to mention that this "advancement" means that the phone dies if
>> the house power fails, unless you invest on an UPS for the router. So
>> you can not call the electrician.
>
> Yes, in Australia, a subscriber can get (or gets by default?) a UPS as
> part of the set up of such 'landlines' on the fibre NBN (National
> Broadband Network).

An UPS should not be needed. Instead, the hardware should have
batteries. Way more efficient.

>
> Next thing, users connect their DECT phones, which also need power,
> but which are not connected to the UPS. Guess what happens in case of a
> power failure? :-) (Yes, I've seen it with my very eyes.)

--
Cheers, Carlos.

"The Real Bev" <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote

>
I'm trying to remember the last movie I saw that was worth $10. Maybe
Terminator 2, but we have a blu-ray which cost less than that. It's
been a long time since I actually wanted to see a movie in a theater.
>

I'm spoiled. We have two "arthouse" theaters that are
pleasant on stormy days. Old fashioned places that probably
looked exactly the same in 1940.

I get a lot of movies at the
library and have some streaming. But recently I've
watched the Holdovers and Oppenheimer in theaters.
Last week we went to two movies, both of which were
extraordinary. "Driving Madelleine" and "Perfect Days".
There are rarely more than a dozen people at a showing.

I haven't been to a chain theater for probably at least
20 years. Last time I went I was appalled at the crowds,
the ads, the refusal to let me bring in food or drink... The
whole thing was sleazy and overpriced. And the movie
selection is generally "top 40".

John Wick... yes... I have to admit that I find it engaging,
which is really ridiculous because the whole thing is just
over-the-top, speeded up violence. And Keanu Reeves
can't act. But occasionally I get in the mood for that kind
of adrenaline rush.

On 3/14/24 6:36 PM, Newyana2 wrote:

> John Wick... yes... I have to admit that I find it engaging,
> which is really ridiculous because the whole thing is just
> over-the-top, speeded up violence. And Keanu Reeves
> can't act. But occasionally I get in the mood for that kind
> of adrenaline rush.

I liked the first one, maybe the second. Downhill from then on. Like
most movie series, except that T2 was the best of the bunch.

Sometimes you can have too many explosions.

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Cheers, Bev
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On 14.03.24 21:13, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2024-03-13 21:00, Chris wrote:
>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 2024-03-13 09:11, Chris wrote:
>>>> Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 10.03.24 10:44, Bob Henson wrote:
>>>>>> Newyana2 wrote:
>>>>>>> At one point I played with crypto a bit. I had to upload a picture
>>>>>>> ID (drivers license), as well as giving them my email address and
>>>>>>> access to my bank account. As I recall I think they sent a voice
>>>>>>> message code to my landline, which is a lot more security in terms of
>>>>>>> proof of ID than a cellphone. The lamdline is registered to -- and
>>>>>>> wired to -- a physical address.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They will struggle in the UK soon, then. All landlines disappear by the end
>>>>>> of 2025 - there will only be VoIP.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hardly ever read so much nonsense. We know Newyana does not have a cell
>>>>> phone but he or she wants to have a big mouth in technical groups
>>>>> discussing mobile technology.
>>>>>
>>>>> For you: IP-telephone lines are landlines. Landlines are not what you
>>>>> think they are. The backend is even in the UK ip-based for years.
>>>>
>>>> Do you have evidence for that? It's true that UK telephony has been digital
>>>> for a long time within the BT network, but that doesn't mean it's
>>>> internet/ip-based.
>>>
>>> I don't know about UK, but here in Spain all clients on fibre have a
>>> VoIP system, hidden. At the home, there is a device called ONT (Optical
>>> network terminal), which can be integrated on the router, that converts
>>> the phone over IP signals to an RJ-11 where we connect our traditional
>>> phone terminals.
>>>
>>> In fact, companies hide the VoIP credentials so that connecting a VoIP
>>> phone instead is not trivial.
>>>
>>> The stated goal is to remove all copper exchanges, migrating everybody
>>> to fibre (or some form of radio). The buildings can then be sold, they
>>> are in the city centres and are worth a packet.
>>>
>>> My understanding is that the UK is doing more or less the same, and many
>>> countries are on the same road. Which means that a lot of the current
>>> phone network is no longer circuit switched.
>>
>> I'm aware of that, but that's the recent (domestic) move away from copper
>> lines and VOIP.
>>
>> Jörg's comment was about the backhaul being ip-based for a much longer
>> period.
>
> It is so in his country, to my understanding.
>
> The Swiss I know have a tendency to think that the changes applied in
> their country have also been applied elsewhere :-D
>
> Like no TV over the air.

Very Old Style! We use satellite or fibre-based IP-TV. More reliable and
much better quality.

BTW: Classical TV is a thing of the past.

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Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> writes:

> But I hadn't actually tried decrypting an andOTP backup. So I did,
> on Linux, using this:
> https://github.com/asmw/andOTP-decrypt
>
> It produces a set of QR code image files.

I tried using the decrypt.py on an Aegis backup and it decrypted into a
straightforward looking json file. Looks like the packaged OTPClient in
Debian 11 is too old to support importing from Aegis. I'll have to try
this again after upgrading to Debian 12.

Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> Wrote in message:

> On 14.03.24 21:13, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2024-03-13 21:00, Chris wrote:
>>
>> It is so in his country, to my understanding.
>>
>> The Swiss I know have a tendency to think that the changes applied in
>> their country have also been applied elsewhere :-D
>>
>> Like no TV over the air.
>
> Very Old Style! We use satellite or fibre-based IP-TV. More reliable and
> much better quality.
>
> BTW: Classical TV is a thing of the past.

"Switzerland will switch off its free-to-air digital terrestrial
television (DTT) service in 2019. The decision is based on the
very low penetration for DTT in Switzerland and the continuing
rise in IPTV subscriptions. The move is part of a package of
cost-saving measures agreed between the Swiss public broadcaster
SRG and the Swiss Federal Council following the recent No-Billag
referendum"

<https://dvb.org/news/why-is-switzerland-switching-off-dtt/>

There's a link to the No-Billag referendum in the piece. Interesting.
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Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2024-03-13 21:00, Chris wrote:
>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 2024-03-13 09:11, Chris wrote:
>>>> Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 10.03.24 10:44, Bob Henson wrote:
>>>>>> Newyana2 wrote:
>>>>>>> At one point I played with crypto a bit. I had to upload a picture
>>>>>>> ID (drivers license), as well as giving them my email address and
>>>>>>> access to my bank account. As I recall I think they sent a voice
>>>>>>> message code to my landline, which is a lot more security in terms of
>>>>>>> proof of ID than a cellphone. The lamdline is registered to -- and
>>>>>>> wired to -- a physical address.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They will struggle in the UK soon, then. All landlines disappear by the end
>>>>>> of 2025 - there will only be VoIP.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hardly ever read so much nonsense. We know Newyana does not have a cell
>>>>> phone but he or she wants to have a big mouth in technical groups
>>>>> discussing mobile technology.
>>>>>
>>>>> For you: IP-telephone lines are landlines. Landlines are not what you
>>>>> think they are. The backend is even in the UK ip-based for years.
>>>>
>>>> Do you have evidence for that? It's true that UK telephony has been digital
>>>> for a long time within the BT network, but that doesn't mean it's
>>>> internet/ip-based.
>>>
>>> I don't know about UK, but here in Spain all clients on fibre have a
>>> VoIP system, hidden. At the home, there is a device called ONT (Optical
>>> network terminal), which can be integrated on the router, that converts
>>> the phone over IP signals to an RJ-11 where we connect our traditional
>>> phone terminals.
>>>
>>> In fact, companies hide the VoIP credentials so that connecting a VoIP
>>> phone instead is not trivial.
>>>
>>> The stated goal is to remove all copper exchanges, migrating everybody
>>> to fibre (or some form of radio). The buildings can then be sold, they
>>> are in the city centres and are worth a packet.
>>>
>>> My understanding is that the UK is doing more or less the same, and many
>>> countries are on the same road. Which means that a lot of the current
>>> phone network is no longer circuit switched.
>>
>> I'm aware of that, but that's the recent (domestic) move away from copper
>> lines and VOIP.
>>
>> Jörg's comment was about the backhaul being ip-based for a much longer
>> period.
>
> It is so in his country, to my understanding.
>
> The Swiss I know have a tendency to think that the changes applied in
> their country have also been applied elsewhere :-D

Maybe so. He hasn't answered my question so looks he's just assuming.

> Like no TV over the air.
>
>

On 2024-03-14 22:10, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 3/14/24 10:49 AM, Newyana2 wrote:
>> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
>>
>> | For instance, yesterday I went to see Dune 2. I showed the ticket on my
>> | phone at the entrance for scanning (the dot code was equivalent to a 7
>> | character word), went to one of the nearly twenty "rooms", and then I
>> | realized I could not see what row and seat I was on. I had to double
>> | back to ask the lady at the entrance. She smiled. The email had a line
>> | she had to find in my phone that said:
>> |
>> | Entradas: 1 x -Miércoles al cine VIP (6,70 € - 710)
>> |
>> | Well, the seat is "710", ie, row 7, 10th chair. Someone goofed the
>> email
>> | design, and the staff knows. The lady moved the email with her
>> finger to
>> | find the line, then pointed it at me and decoded it for me. We both had
>> | a laugh.
>> |
>>
>>    So much trouble. I go to my local theater, hand them a $10 bill
>> (because I'm a senior) and sit where I like. :)
>
> I'm trying to remember the last movie I saw that was worth $10.  Maybe
> Terminator 2, but we have a blu-ray which cost less than that.  It's
> been a long time since I actually wanted to see a movie in a theater.

I find going to a cinema a more fulfilling experience than watching the
same movie at home.

It fills up way more time :-)

The display and the sound are way better than mine, too.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 2024-03-15 07:42, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> On 14.03.24 21:13, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2024-03-13 21:00, Chris wrote:
>>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-03-13 09:11, Chris wrote:
>>>>> Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On 10.03.24 10:44, Bob Henson wrote:
>>>>>>> Newyana2 wrote:

....

>>>> My understanding is that the UK is doing more or less the same, and
>>>> many
>>>> countries are on the same road. Which means that a lot of the current
>>>> phone network is no longer circuit switched.
>>>
>>> I'm aware of that, but that's the recent (domestic) move away from
>>> copper
>>> lines and VOIP.
>>>
>>> Jörg's comment was about the backhaul being ip-based for a much longer
>>> period.
>>
>> It is so in his country, to my understanding.
>>
>> The Swiss I know have a tendency to think that the changes applied in
>> their country have also been applied elsewhere :-D
>>
>> Like no TV over the air.
>
> Very Old Style! We use satellite or fibre-based IP-TV. More reliable and
> much better quality.

Tsk, tsk. Actually, in Spain, some channels transmit in better quality
over the air than via fibre. Just a fact, they do.

>
> BTW: Classical TV is a thing of the past.

I know you would say that. But it is not classical TV over here, it is
digital, and it is going strong.

There are many people here without access to fibre. Those in rural
places in small villages an isolated places. Cottages and beach places
(secondary residences).

Fibre is expensive.

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Cheers, Carlos.