Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> fibre-based IP-TV. More reliable and much better quality.
Unfortunately not true here, e.g. BBC channels which are 1920x1080 on
DVB-S or DVB-T2, but can be 1280x720 or 960x540 on iPlayer.

On 15.03.24 12:34, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2024-03-15 07:42, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>> On 14.03.24 21:13, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> On 2024-03-13 21:00, Chris wrote:
>>>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-03-13 09:11, Chris wrote:
>>>>>> Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 10.03.24 10:44, Bob Henson wrote:
>>>>>>>> Newyana2 wrote:
>
> ...
>
>>>>> My understanding is that the UK is doing more or less the same, and
>>>>> many
>>>>> countries are on the same road. Which means that a lot of the current
>>>>> phone network is no longer circuit switched.
>>>>
>>>> I'm aware of that, but that's the recent (domestic) move away from
>>>> copper
>>>> lines and VOIP.
>>>>
>>>> Jörg's comment was about the backhaul being ip-based for a much longer
>>>> period.
>>>
>>> It is so in his country, to my understanding.
>>>
>>> The Swiss I know have a tendency to think that the changes applied in
>>> their country have also been applied elsewhere :-D
>>>
>>> Like no TV over the air.
>>
>> Very Old Style! We use satellite or fibre-based IP-TV. More reliable and
>> much better quality.
>
>
> Tsk, tsk. Actually, in Spain, some channels transmit in better quality
> over the air than via fibre. Just a fact, they do.
>
>>
>> BTW: Classical TV is a thing of the past.
>
> I know you would say that. But it is not classical TV over here, it is
> digital, and it is going strong.

You do not know what classical TV is: Linear TV. Has nothing to do with
digital or not.

--
"Mille viae ducunt hominem per saecula Romam." (Alanus ab Insulis 1120-1202)

On 2024-03-15 13:49, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> On 15.03.24 12:34, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2024-03-15 07:42, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>> On 14.03.24 21:13, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> On 2024-03-13 21:00, Chris wrote:
>>>>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-03-13 09:11, Chris wrote:
>>>>>>> Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 10.03.24 10:44, Bob Henson wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Newyana2 wrote:
>>
>> ...
>>
>>>>>> My understanding is that the UK is doing more or less the same, and
>>>>>> many
>>>>>> countries are on the same road. Which means that a lot of the current
>>>>>> phone network is no longer circuit switched.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm aware of that, but that's the recent (domestic) move away from
>>>>> copper
>>>>> lines and VOIP.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jörg's comment was about the backhaul being ip-based for a much longer
>>>>> period.
>>>>
>>>> It is so in his country, to my understanding.
>>>>
>>>> The Swiss I know have a tendency to think that the changes applied in
>>>> their country have also been applied elsewhere :-D
>>>>
>>>> Like no TV over the air.
>>>
>>> Very Old Style! We use satellite or fibre-based IP-TV. More reliable and
>>> much better quality.
>>
>>
>> Tsk, tsk. Actually, in Spain, some channels transmit in better quality
>> over the air than via fibre. Just a fact, they do.
>>
>>>
>>> BTW: Classical TV is a thing of the past.
>>
>> I know you would say that. But it is not classical TV over here, it is
>> digital, and it is going strong.
>
> You do not know what classical TV is: Linear TV. Has nothing to do with
> digital or not.

Analog TV over the air is dead here; it is probably what you call
"linear TV". Digital TV broadcasted over the air, which is something you
Swiss do not have and probably did not even seriously tried, is
flourishing.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote

| I find going to a cinema a more fulfilling experience than watching the
| same movie at home.
| | It fills up way more time :-)
|

I guess that's something we can all agree on, no matter
where we live or how we buy tickets: We spend half our time
trying to free up more time, and the other half trying to
find a way to pass that time. :)

Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> writes:

> On 15.03.24 12:34, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2024-03-15 07:42, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>> On 14.03.24 21:13, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> On 2024-03-13 21:00, Chris wrote:
>>>>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-03-13 09:11, Chris wrote:
>>>>>>> Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 10.03.24 10:44, Bob Henson wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Newyana2 wrote:
>> ...
>>
>>>>>> My understanding is that the UK is doing more or less the same,
>>>>>> and many countries are on the same road. Which means that a lot
>>>>>> of the current phone network is no longer circuit switched.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm aware of that, but that's the recent (domestic) move away from
>>>>> copper lines and VOIP.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jörg's comment was about the backhaul being ip-based for a much
>>>>> longer period.
>>>>
>>>> It is so in his country, to my understanding.
>>>>
>>>> The Swiss I know have a tendency to think that the changes applied
>>>> in their country have also been applied elsewhere :-D
>>>>
>>>> Like no TV over the air.
>>>
>>> Very Old Style! We use satellite or fibre-based IP-TV. More reliable
>>> and much better quality. >> Tsk, tsk. Actually, in Spain, some
>>> channels transmit in better >> quality >> over the air than via
>>> fibre. Just a fact, they do.
>>
>>>
>>> BTW: Classical TV is a thing of the past. I know you would say
>> that. But it is not classical TV over here, it is digital, and it is
>> going strong.
>
> You do not know what classical TV is: Linear TV. Has nothing to do
> with digital or not.

I've never come across the term before. I think we would call it
scheduled TV, as opposed to On Demand TV.

https://target-video.com/what-is-linear-tv/

Classic TV is black and white with Spencer Tracy and Katharine Hepburn.

On 15.03.24 14:04, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2024-03-15 13:49, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>> On 15.03.24 12:34, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> On 2024-03-15 07:42, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>>> On 14.03.24 21:13, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-03-13 21:00, Chris wrote:
>>>>>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-03-13 09:11, Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>> Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 10.03.24 10:44, Bob Henson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Newyana2 wrote:
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>>>>>> My understanding is that the UK is doing more or less the same, and
>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>> countries are on the same road. Which means that a lot of the current
>>>>>>> phone network is no longer circuit switched.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm aware of that, but that's the recent (domestic) move away from
>>>>>> copper
>>>>>> lines and VOIP.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jörg's comment was about the backhaul being ip-based for a much longer
>>>>>> period.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is so in his country, to my understanding.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Swiss I know have a tendency to think that the changes applied in
>>>>> their country have also been applied elsewhere :-D
>>>>>
>>>>> Like no TV over the air.
>>>>
>>>> Very Old Style! We use satellite or fibre-based IP-TV. More reliable and
>>>> much better quality.
>>>
>>>
>>> Tsk, tsk. Actually, in Spain, some channels transmit in better quality
>>> over the air than via fibre. Just a fact, they do.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> BTW: Classical TV is a thing of the past.
>>>
>>> I know you would say that. But it is not classical TV over here, it is
>>> digital, and it is going strong.
>>
>> You do not know what classical TV is: Linear TV. Has nothing to do with
>> digital or not.
>
> Analog TV over the air is dead here; it is probably what you call
> "linear TV". Digital TV broadcasted over the air, which is something you
> Swiss do not have and probably did not even seriously tried, is
> flourishing.

You really do not understand linear TV and modern TV concepts at all.

For your: https://www.vplayed.com/blog/what-is-linear-tv/

--
"Mille viae ducunt hominem per saecula Romam." (Alanus ab Insulis 1120-1202)

On 15.03.24 14:29, Richmond wrote:
> Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> writes:
>
>> On 15.03.24 12:34, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> On 2024-03-15 07:42, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>>> On 14.03.24 21:13, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-03-13 21:00, Chris wrote:
>>>>>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-03-13 09:11, Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>> Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 10.03.24 10:44, Bob Henson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Newyana2 wrote:
>>> ...
>>>
>>>>>>> My understanding is that the UK is doing more or less the same,
>>>>>>> and many countries are on the same road. Which means that a lot
>>>>>>> of the current phone network is no longer circuit switched.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm aware of that, but that's the recent (domestic) move away from
>>>>>> copper lines and VOIP.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jörg's comment was about the backhaul being ip-based for a much
>>>>>> longer period.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is so in his country, to my understanding.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Swiss I know have a tendency to think that the changes applied
>>>>> in their country have also been applied elsewhere :-D
>>>>>
>>>>> Like no TV over the air.
>>>>
>>>> Very Old Style! We use satellite or fibre-based IP-TV. More reliable
>>>> and much better quality. >> Tsk, tsk. Actually, in Spain, some
>>>> channels transmit in better >> quality >> over the air than via
>>>> fibre. Just a fact, they do.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> BTW: Classical TV is a thing of the past. I know you would say
>>> that. But it is not classical TV over here, it is digital, and it is
>>> going strong.
>>
>> You do not know what classical TV is: Linear TV. Has nothing to do
>> with digital or not.
>
> I've never come across the term before. I think we would call it
> scheduled TV, as opposed to On Demand TV.

Old style. My goodness!

https://www.vplayed.com/blog/what-is-linear-tv/

> https://target-video.com/what-is-linear-tv/
>
> Classic TV is black and white with Spencer Tracy and Katharine Hepburn.

Nonsense.

--
"Mille viae ducunt hominem per saecula Romam." (Alanus ab Insulis 1120-1202)

Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> writes:

> On 15.03.24 14:29, Richmond wrote:
>> Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> writes:
>>
>>> On 15.03.24 12:34, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> On 2024-03-15 07:42, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>>>> On 14.03.24 21:13, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-03-13 21:00, Chris wrote:
>>>>>>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-03-13 09:11, Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 10.03.24 10:44, Bob Henson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Newyana2 wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>>>>> My understanding is that the UK is doing more or less the same,
>>>>>>>> and many countries are on the same road. Which means that a lot
>>>>>>>> of the current phone network is no longer circuit switched.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm aware of that, but that's the recent (domestic) move away from
>>>>>>> copper lines and VOIP.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jörg's comment was about the backhaul being ip-based for a much
>>>>>>> longer period.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is so in his country, to my understanding.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Swiss I know have a tendency to think that the changes applied
>>>>>> in their country have also been applied elsewhere :-D
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Like no TV over the air.
>>>>>
>>>>> Very Old Style! We use satellite or fibre-based IP-TV. More reliable
>>>>> and much better quality. >> Tsk, tsk. Actually, in Spain, some
>>>>> channels transmit in better >> quality >> over the air than via
>>>>> fibre. Just a fact, they do.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW: Classical TV is a thing of the past. I know you would say
>>>> that. But it is not classical TV over here, it is digital, and it is
>>>> going strong.
>>>
>>> You do not know what classical TV is: Linear TV. Has nothing to do
>>> with digital or not.
>> I've never come across the term before. I think we would call it
>> scheduled TV, as opposed to On Demand TV.
>
> Old style. My goodness!
>
> https://www.vplayed.com/blog/what-is-linear-tv/
>
>> https://target-video.com/what-is-linear-tv/
>> Classic TV is black and white with Spencer Tracy and Katharine
>> Hepburn.
>
> Nonsense.

That was a joke.

On 15.03.24 14:54, Richmond wrote:
> Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> writes:
>
>> On 15.03.24 14:29, Richmond wrote:
>>> Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> writes:
>>>
>>>> On 15.03.24 12:34, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-03-15 07:42, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>>>>> On 14.03.24 21:13, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-03-13 21:00, Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-03-13 09:11, Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 10.03.24 10:44, Bob Henson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Newyana2 wrote:
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My understanding is that the UK is doing more or less the same,
>>>>>>>>> and many countries are on the same road. Which means that a lot
>>>>>>>>> of the current phone network is no longer circuit switched.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm aware of that, but that's the recent (domestic) move away from
>>>>>>>> copper lines and VOIP.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jörg's comment was about the backhaul being ip-based for a much
>>>>>>>> longer period.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is so in his country, to my understanding.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Swiss I know have a tendency to think that the changes applied
>>>>>>> in their country have also been applied elsewhere :-D
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Like no TV over the air.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Very Old Style! We use satellite or fibre-based IP-TV. More reliable
>>>>>> and much better quality. >> Tsk, tsk. Actually, in Spain, some
>>>>>> channels transmit in better >> quality >> over the air than via
>>>>>> fibre. Just a fact, they do.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW: Classical TV is a thing of the past. I know you would say
>>>>> that. But it is not classical TV over here, it is digital, and it is
>>>>> going strong.
>>>>
>>>> You do not know what classical TV is: Linear TV. Has nothing to do
>>>> with digital or not.
>>> I've never come across the term before. I think we would call it
>>> scheduled TV, as opposed to On Demand TV.
>>
>> Old style. My goodness!
>>
>> https://www.vplayed.com/blog/what-is-linear-tv/
>>
>>> https://target-video.com/what-is-linear-tv/
>>> Classic TV is black and white with Spencer Tracy and Katharine
>>> Hepburn.
>>
>> Nonsense.
>
> That was a joke.

Sorry! ;-)

--
"Ave Caesar! Morituri te salutant!"

On 15.03.24 12:39, Andy Burns wrote:
> Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>
>> fibre-based IP-TV. More reliable and much better quality.
>
> Unfortunately not true here, e.g. BBC channels which are 1920x1080 on
> DVB-S or DVB-T2, but can be 1280x720 or 960x540 on iPlayer.

Resolution is too narrow. Quality is measured with many, many more criteria.

--
"Ave Caesar! Morituri te salutant!"

On 2024-03-15 14:40, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> On 15.03.24 14:04, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2024-03-15 13:49, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>> On 15.03.24 12:34, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> On 2024-03-15 07:42, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>>>> On 14.03.24 21:13, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-03-13 21:00, Chris wrote:
>>>>>>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-03-13 09:11, Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 10.03.24 10:44, Bob Henson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Newyana2 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>>>>> My understanding is that the UK is doing more or less the same, and
>>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>> countries are on the same road. Which means that a lot of the
>>>>>>>> current
>>>>>>>> phone network is no longer circuit switched.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm aware of that, but that's the recent (domestic) move away from
>>>>>>> copper
>>>>>>> lines and VOIP.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jörg's comment was about the backhaul being ip-based for a much
>>>>>>> longer
>>>>>>> period.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is so in his country, to my understanding.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Swiss I know have a tendency to think that the changes applied in
>>>>>> their country have also been applied elsewhere :-D
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Like no TV over the air.
>>>>>
>>>>> Very Old Style! We use satellite or fibre-based IP-TV. More
>>>>> reliable and
>>>>> much better quality.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tsk, tsk. Actually, in Spain, some channels transmit in better quality
>>>> over the air than via fibre. Just a fact, they do.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW: Classical TV is a thing of the past.
>>>>
>>>> I know you would say that. But it is not classical TV over here, it is
>>>> digital, and it is going strong.
>>>
>>> You do not know what classical TV is: Linear TV. Has nothing to do with
>>> digital or not.
>>
>> Analog TV over the air is dead here; it is probably what you call
>> "linear TV". Digital TV broadcasted over the air, which is something you
>> Swiss do not have and probably did not even seriously tried, is
>> flourishing.
>
> You really do not understand linear TV and modern TV concepts at all.
>
> For your: https://www.vplayed.com/blog/what-is-linear-tv/

Maybe because it is a concept used only by you. Instead of insulting,
you could start the conversation by describing it.

Now that I know what you mean, I say "no, it is not a thing of the past,
except in Switzerland", which is what I said initially.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2024-03-14 21:23, Frank Slootweg wrote:
[...]
> > Yes, in Australia, a subscriber can get (or gets by default?) a UPS as
> > part of the set up of such 'landlines' on the fibre NBN (National
> > Broadband Network).
>
> An UPS should not be needed. Instead, the hardware should have
> batteries. Way more efficient.

Sorry. Yes, I meant batteries, i.e. it only keeps the 'modem' itself
working, not any other 230VAC equipment.

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2024-03-15 14:40, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> > On 15.03.24 14:04, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> >> On 2024-03-15 13:49, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> >>> On 15.03.24 12:34, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> >>>> On 2024-03-15 07:42, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> >>>>> On 14.03.24 21:13, Carlos E.R. wrote:
[...]
> >>>>>> It is so in his country, to my understanding.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The Swiss I know have a tendency to think that the changes applied in
> >>>>>> their country have also been applied elsewhere :-D
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Like no TV over the air.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Very Old Style! We use satellite or fibre-based IP-TV. More
> >>>>> reliable and
> >>>>> much better quality.
> >>>>
> >>>> Tsk, tsk. Actually, in Spain, some channels transmit in better quality
> >>>> over the air than via fibre. Just a fact, they do.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> BTW: Classical TV is a thing of the past.
> >>>>
> >>>> I know you would say that. But it is not classical TV over here, it is
> >>>> digital, and it is going strong.
> >>>
> >>> You do not know what classical TV is: Linear TV. Has nothing to do with
> >>> digital or not.
> >>
> >> Analog TV over the air is dead here; it is probably what you call
> >> "linear TV". Digital TV broadcasted over the air, which is something you
> >> Swiss do not have and probably did not even seriously tried, is
> >> flourishing.
> >
> > You really do not understand linear TV and modern TV concepts at all.
> >
> > For your: https://www.vplayed.com/blog/what-is-linear-tv/
>
> Maybe because it is a concept used only by you. Instead of insulting,
> you could start the conversation by describing it.

Exactly! His term "classical TV" didn't mean a thing to me, way too
ambiguous. OTOH, I knew what "linear TV" means.

> Now that I know what you mean, I say "no, it is not a thing of the past,
> except in Switzerland", which is what I said initially.

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2024-03-14 22:10, The Real Bev wrote:
[...]
> > I'm trying to remember the last movie I saw that was worth $10.  Maybe
> > Terminator 2, but we have a blu-ray which cost less than that.  It's
> > been a long time since I actually wanted to see a movie in a theater.
>
> I find going to a cinema a more fulfilling experience than watching the
> same movie at home.
>
> It fills up way more time :-)
>
> The display and the sound are way better than mine, too.

Indeed, no comparison. Sometimes movies we've seen in theatre are
shown again on TV, but we don't bother to re-watch them on TV, because
we don't want to spoil the experience we had/felt in theatre.

On 3/15/24 11:21 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2024-03-15 14:40, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>> > On 15.03.24 14:04, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> >> On 2024-03-15 13:49, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>> >>> On 15.03.24 12:34, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> >>>> On 2024-03-15 07:42, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>> >>>>> On 14.03.24 21:13, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> [...]
>> >>>>>> It is so in his country, to my understanding.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> The Swiss I know have a tendency to think that the changes applied in
>> >>>>>> their country have also been applied elsewhere :-D
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Like no TV over the air.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Very Old Style! We use satellite or fibre-based IP-TV. More
>> >>>>> reliable and
>> >>>>> much better quality.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Tsk, tsk. Actually, in Spain, some channels transmit in better quality
>> >>>> over the air than via fibre. Just a fact, they do.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> BTW: Classical TV is a thing of the past.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I know you would say that. But it is not classical TV over here, it is
>> >>>> digital, and it is going strong.
>> >>>
>> >>> You do not know what classical TV is: Linear TV. Has nothing to do with
>> >>> digital or not.
>> >>
>> >> Analog TV over the air is dead here; it is probably what you call
>> >> "linear TV". Digital TV broadcasted over the air, which is something you
>> >> Swiss do not have and probably did not even seriously tried, is
>> >> flourishing.
>> >
>> > You really do not understand linear TV and modern TV concepts at all.
>> >
>> > For your: https://www.vplayed.com/blog/what-is-linear-tv/
>>
>> Maybe because it is a concept used only by you. Instead of insulting,
>> you could start the conversation by describing it.
>
> Exactly! His term "classical TV" didn't mean a thing to me, way too
> ambiguous. OTOH, I knew what "linear TV" means.

Is it the opposite of logarithmic TV? I've been watching it since 1948
or so and I've never heard that term. OTA?

>> Now that I know what you mean, I say "no, it is not a thing of the past,
>> except in Switzerland", which is what I said initially.
>

--
Cheers, Bev
The early bird gets the worm, the second mouse gets the cheese.

The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 3/15/24 11:21 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> >> On 2024-03-15 14:40, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> >> > On 15.03.24 14:04, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> >> >> On 2024-03-15 13:49, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> >> >>> On 15.03.24 12:34, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> >> >>>> On 2024-03-15 07:42, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> >> >>>>> On 14.03.24 21:13, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> > [...]
> >> >>>>>> It is so in his country, to my understanding.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> The Swiss I know have a tendency to think that the changes applied in
> >> >>>>>> their country have also been applied elsewhere :-D
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Like no TV over the air.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Very Old Style! We use satellite or fibre-based IP-TV. More
> >> >>>>> reliable and
> >> >>>>> much better quality.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Tsk, tsk. Actually, in Spain, some channels transmit in better quality
> >> >>>> over the air than via fibre. Just a fact, they do.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> BTW: Classical TV is a thing of the past.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I know you would say that. But it is not classical TV over here, it is
> >> >>>> digital, and it is going strong.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> You do not know what classical TV is: Linear TV. Has nothing to do with
> >> >>> digital or not.
> >> >>
> >> >> Analog TV over the air is dead here; it is probably what you call
> >> >> "linear TV". Digital TV broadcasted over the air, which is something you
> >> >> Swiss do not have and probably did not even seriously tried, is
> >> >> flourishing.
> >> >
> >> > You really do not understand linear TV and modern TV concepts at all.
> >> >
> >> > For your: https://www.vplayed.com/blog/what-is-linear-tv/
> >>
> >> Maybe because it is a concept used only by you. Instead of insulting,
> >> you could start the conversation by describing it.
> >
> > Exactly! His term "classical TV" didn't mean a thing to me, way too
> > ambiguous. OTOH, I knew what "linear TV" means.
>
> Is it the opposite of logarithmic TV? I've been watching it since 1948
> or so and I've never heard that term. OTA?

It's somewhat reasonably explained in Jörg's reference, so I suggest
to read that.

It's 'normal'/'scheduled'/real-time/<whatever> TV as we've always
known it. The transmission technology is not really relevant, so it
covers both OTA and any other method, cable, satellite, etc..

I have cable TV, but most of what I watch has been recorded (by me),
so it's no longer "linear TV". If that hasn't confused you, I have to
try harder,

> >> Now that I know what you mean, I say "no, it is not a thing of the past,
> >> except in Switzerland", which is what I said initially.

On 2024-03-15 20:50, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 3/15/24 11:21 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 2024-03-15 14:40, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>> > On 15.03.24 14:04, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> >> On 2024-03-15 13:49, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>> >>> On 15.03.24 12:34, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> >>>> On 2024-03-15 07:42, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>> >>>>> On 14.03.24 21:13, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> [...]
>>> >>>>>> It is so in his country, to my understanding.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> The Swiss I know have a tendency to think that the changes
>>> applied in
>>> >>>>>> their country have also been applied elsewhere :-D
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Like no TV over the air.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Very Old Style! We use satellite or fibre-based IP-TV. More
>>> >>>>> reliable and
>>> >>>>> much better quality.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Tsk, tsk. Actually, in Spain, some channels transmit in better
>>> quality
>>> >>>> over the air than via fibre. Just a fact, they do.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> BTW: Classical TV is a thing of the past.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I know you would say that. But it is not classical TV over here,
>>> it is
>>> >>>> digital, and it is going strong.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> You do not know what classical TV is: Linear TV. Has nothing to
>>> do with
>>> >>> digital or not.
>>> >>
>>> >> Analog TV over the air is dead here; it is probably what you call
>>> >> "linear TV". Digital TV broadcasted over the air, which is
>>> something you
>>> >> Swiss do not have and probably did not even seriously tried, is
>>> >> flourishing.
>>> > > You really do not understand linear TV and modern TV concepts at
>>> all.
>>> > > For your: https://www.vplayed.com/blog/what-is-linear-tv/
>>>
>>> Maybe because it is a concept used only by you. Instead of insulting,
>>> you could start the conversation by describing it.
>>
>>    Exactly! His term "classical TV" didn't mean a thing to me, way too
>> ambiguous. OTOH, I knew what "linear TV" means.
>
> Is it the opposite of logarithmic TV?  I've been watching it since 1948
> or so and I've never heard that term.  OTA?

"Linear" refers to the user not being able to do "time shift" (without a
local hard disk). The ability to stop the show, go back some time, or
see programming that was "aired" even days ago. Or being able to choose
the program to watch from a library (on demand tv).

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 3/15/24 1:09 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 3/15/24 11:21 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>> > Exactly! His term "classical TV" didn't mean a thing to me, way too
>> > ambiguous. OTOH, I knew what "linear TV" means.
>>
>> Is it the opposite of logarithmic TV? I've been watching it since 1948
>> or so and I've never heard that term. OTA?
>
> It's somewhat reasonably explained in Jörg's reference, so I suggest
> to read that.
>
> It's 'normal'/'scheduled'/real-time/<whatever> TV as we've always
> known it. The transmission technology is not really relevant, so it
> covers both OTA and any other method, cable, satellite, etc..
>
> I have cable TV, but most of what I watch has been recorded (by me),
> so it's no longer "linear TV". If that hasn't confused you, I have to
> try harder,

No need, you did a fine job! I was more interested in where the word
itself came from as a descriptor of 'original' TV.

"Where in hell did THAT usage come from?" frequently stops me in my tracks.

--
Cheers, Bev
"History I believe furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people
maintaining a free civil government."
-- letter from Thomas Jefferson to Baron vonHumboldt, 1813

The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 3/15/24 1:09 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 3/15/24 11:21 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> >> > Exactly! His term "classical TV" didn't mean a thing to me, way too
> >> > ambiguous. OTOH, I knew what "linear TV" means.
> >>
> >> Is it the opposite of logarithmic TV? I've been watching it since 1948
> >> or so and I've never heard that term. OTA?
> >
> > It's somewhat reasonably explained in Jörg's reference, so I suggest
> > to read that.
> >
> > It's 'normal'/'scheduled'/real-time/<whatever> TV as we've always
> > known it. The transmission technology is not really relevant, so it
> > covers both OTA and any other method, cable, satellite, etc..
> >
> > I have cable TV, but most of what I watch has been recorded (by me),
> > so it's no longer "linear TV". If that hasn't confused you, I have to
> > try harder,
>
> No need, you did a fine job! I was more interested in where the word
> itself came from as a descriptor of 'original' TV.
>
> "Where in hell did THAT usage come from?" frequently stops me in my tracks.

Elementary, dear Watson! It's of course a retronym.

Just kidding. I threw "linear TV" at Wikipedia and came up with this:

"Broadcast programming
...
With the growth of digital platforms and services allowing non-linear,
on-demand access to television content, this approach to broadcasting
has since been referred to using the retronym linear (such as linear
television and linear channels)."

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadcast_programming>

See also the explanation/link of "non-linear" in that paragraph.

"Wikipedia, don't leave home without it!" [1]

[1] When I need/want to look something up, Wikipedia and Google's
"define:" search clause [2] are my first ports of call.

[2] I.e. in this case <https://www.google.com/search?q=define%3A+linear+TV>
which gives as the first hit
"Linear TV is a traditional system in which a viewer watches a scheduled
TV program when it's broadcasted and on its original channel."
(from <https://www.oracle.com/advertising/measurement/ctv-vs-ott>)

On 3/16/24 11:20 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 3/15/24 1:09 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>> > The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> On 3/15/24 11:21 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>> >> > Exactly! His term "classical TV" didn't mean a thing to me, way too
>> >> > ambiguous. OTOH, I knew what "linear TV" means.
>> >>
>> >> Is it the opposite of logarithmic TV? I've been watching it since 1948
>> >> or so and I've never heard that term. OTA?
>> >
>> > It's somewhat reasonably explained in Jörg's reference, so I suggest
>> > to read that.
>> >
>> > It's 'normal'/'scheduled'/real-time/<whatever> TV as we've always
>> > known it. The transmission technology is not really relevant, so it
>> > covers both OTA and any other method, cable, satellite, etc..
>> >
>> > I have cable TV, but most of what I watch has been recorded (by me),
>> > so it's no longer "linear TV". If that hasn't confused you, I have to
>> > try harder,
>>
>> No need, you did a fine job! I was more interested in where the word
>> itself came from as a descriptor of 'original' TV.
>>
>> "Where in hell did THAT usage come from?" frequently stops me in my tracks.
>
> Elementary, dear Watson! It's of course a retronym.
>
> Just kidding. I threw "linear TV" at Wikipedia and came up with this:
>
> "Broadcast programming
> ...
> With the growth of digital platforms and services allowing non-linear,
> on-demand access to television content, this approach to broadcasting
> has since been referred to using the retronym linear (such as linear
> television and linear channels)."
>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadcast_programming>
>
> See also the explanation/link of "non-linear" in that paragraph.
>
> "Wikipedia, don't leave home without it!" [1]
>
> [1] When I need/want to look something up, Wikipedia and Google's
> "define:" search clause [2] are my first ports of call.

Excellent idea, one I wish I followed more frequently.

> [2] I.e. in this case <https://www.google.com/search?q=define%3A+linear+TV>
> which gives as the first hit
> "Linear TV is a traditional system in which a viewer watches a scheduled
> TV program when it's broadcasted and on its original channel."
> (from <https://www.oracle.com/advertising/measurement/ctv-vs-ott>)

Perhaps it's an industry-only usage.

--
Cheers, Bev
I'd rather not have neighbors. If I can see them, they're too close.
In fact, if I can see them through a rifle scope, they're too close.
-- Anonymous Coward