Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
> Chris wrote:
>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>> Chris wrote:
>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>> Java Jive wrote:
>>>>>> On 04/04/2024 01:58, Hank Rogers wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So is trump. They are much alike and have never done anything wrong. Ever.
>>>>>>> Neither has ever committed a crime or screwed a customer or business partner.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is provably untrue, in that Trump has already lost two civil cases,
>>>>>> wherein one of which a jury found him to be a rapist - in most civilised
>>>>>> people's view, that is both committing a crime and screwing someone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Losing a civil case is not the same as a criminal conviction.
>>>>
>>>> The claim was the he "never done anything wrong". Losing a civil case is a
>>>> clear case of doing something wrong.
>>>
>>> No it's not. Anyone can sue anyone for anything.
>>
>> And? If the court finds against you you've legally done something wrong.
>
> Not morally.

Are you saying that Trump has never done anything morally wrong? You've
completely lost any sense of reality.

At the very least he cheated on two of his wives. He sexually assaulted one
woman (probably more) and he defrauded several banks and the IRS.

> The legal system very rarely has anything to do with
> actual justice.

In the US, I agree. You've got the system you all wanted.

>> Also the state DA isn't just anyone and fraud or defamation aren't just
>> anything.
>>
>> If you or I defrauded a bank or insurance company we'd rightly be
>> prosecuted.
>
> Prosecuted under criminal statutes, not sued under civil.

Why? Civil law is just as important.

>> Why should it be any different for Trump?
>
> Nobody is saying it should be.

That's not true. You're saying he's done nothing wrong and shouldn't face
trial. The courts should decide.

>>>> Everyone is NYC has known for decades what kind of crook he is. If it
>>>> wasn't for the hundreds of millions of dollars he got from Fred he'd just
>>>> be pretty street criminal.
>>>>
>>>>>> Further, he faces 91 further criminal charges in 4 separate cases,
>>>>>
>>>>> All politically-motivated persecutions.
>>>>
>>>> Lol. I love how the right are strong on law and order until one of their
>>>> own is found wanting in that dept. Then it's "persecution". Hypocrites the
>>>> lot of them.
>>>>
>>>> How people for that, I don't know.
>>>
>>> I want order. After that, we can have law. Instead, we have politically-
>>> motivated persecutions for made-up crimes,
>>
>> Federal law and election law are made up now, are they? The right were
>> desperate for Biden to be arrested for exactly the same as Trump. Again,
>> it's one rule for you and different rules for others. That's not how fair
>> society works.
>
> There are countless laws that literally invent crimes and proscribe
> punishments when there is no concrete harm being done to anyone or
> anything.

Countless, really? Examples.

>>> while Alvin Bragg refuses to
>>> prosecute violent street criminals.
>>>
>>>>> All that proves is that he should have crossed the Rubicon after the
>>>>> massive election theft of 2020 and started having lots of Democrats
>>>>> put up against the wall and shot.
>>>>
>>>> Do you even hear yourself? Is that really the sort of america you want to
>>>> live in where there's no rule of law. People are targeted with violence
>>>> simply for stating the truth.
>>>
>>> Laws don't rule.
>>
>> False.
>
> Not false. "Rule of law" is a political ideal, a fiction.

It's the basis for civil society.

>>> Only men do.
>>
>> What about women? ;)
>
> Women shouldn't be in politics.

Totally not surprised you'd be a misogynist.

Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
> Chris wrote:
>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>> David Higton wrote:
>>>> In message <uuttdi$2o2ua$1@dont-email.me>
>>>> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Oh and the election wasn't stolen.
>>>>
>>>> The reality, i.e. what was determined from the observable facts, was
>>>> that
>>>
>>> ...they stopped counting in the middle of the night,
>>
>> As per their rules (in a few counties) laid down before the election began.
>> People are allowed to sleep.
>
> Only to resume counting a relatively short time later?
>
> Furthermore, if you are counting mail-in votes (which should be
> banned), you should be required to remain in that room until it's
> DONE. No exceptions.

Says who? It'll solve nothing.

There's only one reason why you want to ban mail-in ballots.

>>> threw out the
>>> observers,
>>
>> Because they were trying to interfere with the count.
>
> No they weren't.
>
>> They were no longer observers.
>
> They were observers.
>
>>> and trucked in enough fraudulent ballots to swing the
>>> election.
>>
>> Didn't happen.
>
> They had overwhelming motive and opportunity. Therefore, it is
> reasonable to shift the burden of proof to those who claim the
> election was clean.

Already happened. All of Trump's cases claiming the above were either
dismissed or found against him. 0/62 is an impressive failure rate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-election_lawsuits_related_to_the_2020_U.S._presidential_election

You keep crying.

>> In all cases of voter fraud two things were discovered 1) in no instance
>> was there enough to come close to affect any vote, 2) most of the
>> fraudulent ballots were in favour of GOP candidates.
>
> "Cases of voter fraud" as reported by the fake media, which simply
> does not report cases of fraud in favor of Democrat candidates.

lol. If you really believe this, living life must be difficult for you.

Chris wrote:
> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>> Chris wrote:
>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>> David Higton wrote:
>>>>> In message <uuttdi$2o2ua$1@dont-email.me>
>>>>> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh and the election wasn't stolen.
>>>>>
>>>>> The reality, i.e. what was determined from the observable facts, was
>>>>> that
>>>>
>>>> ...they stopped counting in the middle of the night,
>>>
>>> As per their rules (in a few counties) laid down before the election began.
>>> People are allowed to sleep.
>>
>> Only to resume counting a relatively short time later?
>>
>> Furthermore, if you are counting mail-in votes (which should be
>> banned), you should be required to remain in that room until it's
>> DONE. No exceptions.
>
> Says who? It'll solve nothing.
>
> There's only one reason why you want to ban mail-in ballots.
>
>>>> threw out the
>>>> observers,
>>>
>>> Because they were trying to interfere with the count.
>>
>> No they weren't.
>>
>>> They were no longer observers.
>>
>> They were observers.
>>
>>>> and trucked in enough fraudulent ballots to swing the
>>>> election.
>>>
>>> Didn't happen.
>>
>> They had overwhelming motive and opportunity. Therefore, it is
>> reasonable to shift the burden of proof to those who claim the
>> election was clean.
>
> Already happened. All of Trump's cases claiming the above were either
> dismissed or found against him. 0/62 is an impressive failure rate.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-election_lawsuits_related_to_the_2020_U.S._presidential_election

All that proves is that the courts are thoroughly corrupt. A lot of those
cases were dismissed on procedural grounds.

> You keep crying.
>
>>> In all cases of voter fraud two things were discovered 1) in no instance
>>> was there enough to come close to affect any vote, 2) most of the
>>> fraudulent ballots were in favour of GOP candidates.
>>
>> "Cases of voter fraud" as reported by the fake media, which simply
>> does not report cases of fraud in favor of Democrat candidates.
>
> lol. If you really believe this, living life must be difficult for you.
>
>

Chris wrote:
> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>> Chris wrote:
>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Java Jive wrote:
>>>>>>> On 04/04/2024 01:58, Hank Rogers wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So is trump. They are much alike and have never done anything wrong. Ever.
>>>>>>>> Neither has ever committed a crime or screwed a customer or business partner.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is provably untrue, in that Trump has already lost two civil cases,
>>>>>>> wherein one of which a jury found him to be a rapist - in most civilised
>>>>>>> people's view, that is both committing a crime and screwing someone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Losing a civil case is not the same as a criminal conviction.
>>>>>
>>>>> The claim was the he "never done anything wrong". Losing a civil case is a
>>>>> clear case of doing something wrong.
>>>>
>>>> No it's not. Anyone can sue anyone for anything.
>>>
>>> And? If the court finds against you you've legally done something wrong.
>>
>> Not morally.
>
> Are you saying that Trump has never done anything morally wrong? You've
> completely lost any sense of reality.
>
> At the very least he cheated on two of his wives. He sexually assaulted one
> woman (probably more) and he defrauded several banks and the IRS.

If he legitimately "knife to the throat" raped women, then why wasn't
he criminally prosecuted? If he defrauded the IRS, was he criminally
charged?

>> The legal system very rarely has anything to do with
>> actual justice.
>
> In the US, I agree. You've got the system you all wanted.
>
>>> Also the state DA isn't just anyone and fraud or defamation aren't just
>>> anything.
>>>
>>> If you or I defrauded a bank or insurance company we'd rightly be
>>> prosecuted.
>>
>> Prosecuted under criminal statutes, not sued under civil.
>
> Why? Civil law is just as important.

Standards of proof in the civil system is not as rigorous as that
in the criminal system.

>>> Why should it be any different for Trump?
>>
>> Nobody is saying it should be.
>
> That's not true. You're saying he's done nothing wrong and shouldn't face
> trial. The courts should decide.
>
>>>>> Everyone is NYC has known for decades what kind of crook he is. If it
>>>>> wasn't for the hundreds of millions of dollars he got from Fred he'd just
>>>>> be pretty street criminal.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Further, he faces 91 further criminal charges in 4 separate cases,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All politically-motivated persecutions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lol. I love how the right are strong on law and order until one of their
>>>>> own is found wanting in that dept. Then it's "persecution". Hypocrites the
>>>>> lot of them.
>>>>>
>>>>> How people for that, I don't know.
>>>>
>>>> I want order. After that, we can have law. Instead, we have politically-
>>>> motivated persecutions for made-up crimes,
>>>
>>> Federal law and election law are made up now, are they? The right were
>>> desperate for Biden to be arrested for exactly the same as Trump. Again,
>>> it's one rule for you and different rules for others. That's not how fair
>>> society works.
>>
>> There are countless laws that literally invent crimes and proscribe
>> punishments when there is no concrete harm being done to anyone or
>> anything.
>
> Countless, really? Examples.
>
>>>> while Alvin Bragg refuses to
>>>> prosecute violent street criminals.
>>>>
>>>>>> All that proves is that he should have crossed the Rubicon after the
>>>>>> massive election theft of 2020 and started having lots of Democrats
>>>>>> put up against the wall and shot.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you even hear yourself? Is that really the sort of america you want to
>>>>> live in where there's no rule of law. People are targeted with violence
>>>>> simply for stating the truth.
>>>>
>>>> Laws don't rule.
>>>
>>> False.
>>
>> Not false. "Rule of law" is a political ideal, a fiction.
>
> It's the basis for civil society.

The Left has destroyed civil society. Once they're defeated, probably
after some, or much unpleasantness, maybe we can have nice fictions
again.

>>>> Only men do.
>>>
>>> What about women? ;)
>>
>> Women shouldn't be in politics.
>
> Totally not surprised you'd be a misogynist.

Alan wrote:
> On 2024-04-10 23:28, Anonymous wrote:
>> Alan wrote:
>>> On 2024-04-09 23:14, Anonymous wrote:
>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-04-04 09:44, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/4/24 9:10 AM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-04-03 18:51, Sn!pe wrote:
>>>>>>>> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju, every one
>>>>>>>>> else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both candidates
>>>>>>>> to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This Is Not End Of Everything?  Best I could come up with.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trump is better than Biden.  Period.  You vote against the greater evil.
>>>>>>   Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
>>>>>
>>>>> Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely compromised
>>>>> by Putin.
>>>>>
>>>>> What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
>>>>>
>>>>> Was it the falling unemployment?
>>>>>
>>>>> The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> United States GDP is fake and gay.
>>>
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>> Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.
>>
>> Why is Russia able to produce enough missiles and shells, and the United
>> States can't? That's a tell right there.
>
> And where do you get these supposed "facts"?
>
> Where do you get that the US can't produce enough missiles OR shells?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/19/artillery-ammunition-ukraine-pentagon/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/08/us-weapons-manufacturing-ukraine/

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/politics/ukraine-critical-ammo-shortage-us-nato-grapple/index.html

On 2024-04-11 19:55, Anonymous wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-04-10 23:28, Anonymous wrote:
>>> Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2024-04-09 23:14, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-04-04 09:44, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>>>> On 4/4/24 9:10 AM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-03 18:51, Sn!pe wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju,
>>>>>>>>>> every one
>>>>>>>>>> else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both
>>>>>>>>> candidates
>>>>>>>>> to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This Is Not End Of Everything?  Best I could come up with.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Trump is better than Biden.  Period.  You vote against the
>>>>>>> greater evil.   Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely
>>>>>> compromised by Putin.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Was it the falling unemployment?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> United States GDP is fake and gay.
>>>>
>>>> Yes.
>>>>
>>>> Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.
>>>
>>> Why is Russia able to produce enough missiles and shells, and the United
>>> States can't? That's a tell right there.
>>
>> And where do you get these supposed "facts"?
>>
>> Where do you get that the US can't produce enough missiles OR shells?
>
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/19/artillery-ammunition-ukraine-pentagon/

Out of date.

>
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/08/us-weapons-manufacturing-ukraine/

Out of date.

>
> https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/politics/ukraine-critical-ammo-shortage-us-nato-grapple/index.html

Out of date.

But moreover, this in no way supports the idea that the US GDP figures
are fake.

All it shows is that the US needs to ramp up its production...

....which it is doing:

<https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/landwarfareintl/us-army-is-close-to-producing-80000-155mm-shells-per-month/>

<https://www.army.mil/article/273152/us_army_and_industry_partners_mobilize_to_boost_us_artillery_production>

On 2024-04-11 19:53, Anonymous wrote:
> Chris wrote:
>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>> Chris wrote:
>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>> David Higton wrote:
>>>>>> In message <uuttdi$2o2ua$1@dont-email.me>
>>>>>> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh and the election wasn't stolen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The reality, i.e. what was determined from the observable facts, was
>>>>>> that
>>>>>
>>>>> ...they stopped counting in the middle of the night,
>>>>
>>>> As per their rules (in a few counties) laid down before the election
>>>> began.
>>>> People are allowed to sleep.
>>>
>>> Only to resume counting a relatively short time later?
>>>
>>> Furthermore, if you are counting mail-in votes (which should be
>>> banned), you should be required to remain in that room until it's
>>> DONE. No exceptions.
>>
>> Says who? It'll solve nothing.
>>
>> There's only one reason why you want to ban mail-in ballots.
>>
>>>>> threw out the
>>>>> observers,
>>>>
>>>> Because they were trying to interfere with the count.
>>>
>>> No they weren't.
>>>
>>>> They were no longer observers.
>>>
>>> They were observers.
>>>
>>>>> and trucked in enough fraudulent ballots to swing the
>>>>> election.
>>>>
>>>> Didn't happen.
>>>
>>> They had overwhelming motive and opportunity. Therefore, it is
>>> reasonable to shift the burden of proof to those who claim the
>>> election was clean.
>>
>> Already happened. All of Trump's cases claiming the above were either
>> dismissed or found against him. 0/62 is an impressive failure rate.
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-election_lawsuits_related_to_the_2020_U.S._presidential_election
>
> All that proves is that the courts are thoroughly corrupt. A lot of those
> cases were dismissed on procedural grounds.

Then Trump's lawyers should have followed procedure.

On 2024-04-11 19:55, Anonymous wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-04-10 23:28, Anonymous wrote:
>>> Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2024-04-09 23:14, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-04-04 09:44, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>>>> On 4/4/24 9:10 AM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-03 18:51, Sn!pe wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju,
>>>>>>>>>> every one
>>>>>>>>>> else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both
>>>>>>>>> candidates
>>>>>>>>> to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This Is Not End Of Everything?  Best I could come up with.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Trump is better than Biden.  Period.  You vote against the
>>>>>>> greater evil.   Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely
>>>>>> compromised by Putin.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Was it the falling unemployment?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> United States GDP is fake and gay.
>>>>
>>>> Yes.
>>>>
>>>> Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.
>>>
>>> Why is Russia able to produce enough missiles and shells, and the United
>>> States can't? That's a tell right there.
>>
>> And where do you get these supposed "facts"?
>>
>> Where do you get that the US can't produce enough missiles OR shells?
>
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/19/artillery-ammunition-ukraine-pentagon/
>
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/08/us-weapons-manufacturing-ukraine/
>
> https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/politics/ukraine-critical-ammo-shortage-us-nato-grapple/index.html

And I forgot to ask:

Where do you get your supposed "facts" about how many missiles and
shells Russia can produce?

On Tue, 9 Apr 2024 23:11:09 -0400, Anonymous <anon@anon.net>
wrote:

> Instead, we have politically-
> motivated persecutions for made-up crimes

In many cases You The People (i.e. Grand Jury) decide who to
prosecute, not politicians.
--
Kees Nuyt

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2024-04-11 19:53, Anonymous wrote:
>> Chris wrote:
>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>> David Higton wrote:
>>>>>>> In message <uuttdi$2o2ua$1@dont-email.me>
>>>>>>> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh and the election wasn't stolen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The reality, i.e. what was determined from the observable facts, was
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...they stopped counting in the middle of the night,
>>>>>
>>>>> As per their rules (in a few counties) laid down before the election
>>>>> began.
>>>>> People are allowed to sleep.
>>>>
>>>> Only to resume counting a relatively short time later?
>>>>
>>>> Furthermore, if you are counting mail-in votes (which should be
>>>> banned), you should be required to remain in that room until it's
>>>> DONE. No exceptions.
>>>
>>> Says who? It'll solve nothing.
>>>
>>> There's only one reason why you want to ban mail-in ballots.
>>>
>>>>>> threw out the
>>>>>> observers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Because they were trying to interfere with the count.
>>>>
>>>> No they weren't.
>>>>
>>>>> They were no longer observers.
>>>>
>>>> They were observers.
>>>>
>>>>>> and trucked in enough fraudulent ballots to swing the
>>>>>> election.
>>>>>
>>>>> Didn't happen.
>>>>
>>>> They had overwhelming motive and opportunity. Therefore, it is
>>>> reasonable to shift the burden of proof to those who claim the
>>>> election was clean.
>>>
>>> Already happened. All of Trump's cases claiming the above were either
>>> dismissed or found against him. 0/62 is an impressive failure rate.
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-election_lawsuits_related_to_the_2020_U.S._presidential_election
>>
>> All that proves is that the courts are thoroughly corrupt. A lot of those
>> cases were dismissed on procedural grounds.
>
> Then Trump's lawyers should have followed procedure.

You'd think a "billionaire" could afford competent lawyers...

Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
> Chris wrote:
>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>> Chris wrote:
>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Java Jive wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 04/04/2024 01:58, Hank Rogers wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So is trump. They are much alike and have never done anything wrong. Ever.
>>>>>>>>> Neither has ever committed a crime or screwed a customer or business partner.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That is provably untrue, in that Trump has already lost two civil cases,
>>>>>>>> wherein one of which a jury found him to be a rapist - in most civilised
>>>>>>>> people's view, that is both committing a crime and screwing someone.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Losing a civil case is not the same as a criminal conviction.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The claim was the he "never done anything wrong". Losing a civil case is a
>>>>>> clear case of doing something wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> No it's not. Anyone can sue anyone for anything.
>>>>
>>>> And? If the court finds against you you've legally done something wrong.
>>>
>>> Not morally.
>>
>> Are you saying that Trump has never done anything morally wrong? You've
>> completely lost any sense of reality.
>>
>> At the very least he cheated on two of his wives. He sexually assaulted one
>> woman (probably more) and he defrauded several banks and the IRS.
>
> If he legitimately "knife to the throat" raped women,

What the fuck does that mean?

> then why wasn't
> he criminally prosecuted?

Like you said yourself the US system doesn't provide justice, especially
against rich, powerful men. Sexual assault hasn't been treated well by the
CJS for a long time.

> If he defrauded the IRS, was he criminally
> charged?

Not yet. Here's hoping...

>>> The legal system very rarely has anything to do with
>>> actual justice.
>>
>> In the US, I agree. You've got the system you all wanted.
>>
>>>> Also the state DA isn't just anyone and fraud or defamation aren't just
>>>> anything.
>>>>
>>>> If you or I defrauded a bank or insurance company we'd rightly be
>>>> prosecuted.
>>>
>>> Prosecuted under criminal statutes, not sued under civil.
>>
>> Why? Civil law is just as important.
>
> Standards of proof in the civil system is not as rigorous as that
> in the criminal system.

Still evidence of wrongdoing.

>>>> Why should it be any different for Trump?
>>>
>>> Nobody is saying it should be.
>>
>> That's not true. You're saying he's done nothing wrong and shouldn't face
>> trial. The courts should decide.
>>
>>>>>> Everyone is NYC has known for decades what kind of crook he is. If it
>>>>>> wasn't for the hundreds of millions of dollars he got from Fred he'd just
>>>>>> be pretty street criminal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Further, he faces 91 further criminal charges in 4 separate cases,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All politically-motivated persecutions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lol. I love how the right are strong on law and order until one of their
>>>>>> own is found wanting in that dept. Then it's "persecution". Hypocrites the
>>>>>> lot of them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How people for that, I don't know.
>>>>>
>>>>> I want order. After that, we can have law. Instead, we have politically-
>>>>> motivated persecutions for made-up crimes,
>>>>
>>>> Federal law and election law are made up now, are they? The right were
>>>> desperate for Biden to be arrested for exactly the same as Trump. Again,
>>>> it's one rule for you and different rules for others. That's not how fair
>>>> society works.
>>>
>>> There are countless laws that literally invent crimes and proscribe
>>> punishments when there is no concrete harm being done to anyone or
>>> anything.
>>
>> Countless, really? Examples.

Notable you didn't answer this.

On 2024-04-12, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2024-04-11 19:55, Anonymous wrote:
>> Alan wrote:
>>> On 2024-04-10 23:28, Anonymous wrote:
>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-04-09 23:14, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-04-04 09:44, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 4/4/24 9:10 AM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-03 18:51, Sn!pe wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju,
>>>>>>>>>>> every one
>>>>>>>>>>> else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both
>>>>>>>>>> candidates
>>>>>>>>>> to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This Is Not End Of Everything?  Best I could come up with.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Trump is better than Biden.  Period.  You vote against the
>>>>>>>> greater evil.   Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely
>>>>>>> compromised by Putin.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Was it the falling unemployment?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> United States GDP is fake and gay.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.
>>>>
>>>> Why is Russia able to produce enough missiles and shells, and the United
>>>> States can't? That's a tell right there.
>>>
>>> And where do you get these supposed "facts"?
>>>
>>> Where do you get that the US can't produce enough missiles OR shells?
>>
>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/19/artillery-ammunition-ukraine-pentagon/
>>
>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/08/us-weapons-manufacturing-ukraine/
>>
>> https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/politics/ukraine-critical-ammo-shortage-us-nato-grapple/index.html
>
> And I forgot to ask:
>
> Where do you get your supposed "facts" about how many missiles and
> shells Russia can produce?

Straight from Mother Russia, of course.

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Alan, 2024-04-05 20:11:

> On 2024-04-05 05:42, Arno Welzel wrote:
>> Tamborino, 2024-04-01 02:55:
>>
>>> This is the common misunderstanding with both RCS in general and Apple's
>>> update in particular. RCS is not end-to-end encrypted.
>>
>> RCS *is* end-to-end encrypted. But this is not mandatory, so using
>> unencrypted connections is possible. But the Google messaging app in
>> Android will show you if the recipient has RCS and also if the
>> connection is encrypted.
>>
>
> Incorrect.
>
> RCS as implemented by Google has end-to-end encryption.
>
> The RCS standard does not have encryption as a part of it.

Yes, you're right. I stand corrected.

[...]
> Apple is not prepared to adopt Google's encryption, and given that
> Google can't be trust with your privacy (Google Chrome sweeping up
> information while in incognito mode, anyone?), can you blame Apple?

What is the difference? Messages get send anyway, just not encrypted
during transmission. But where is the security issue here?

It's more likely that Apple just does not want to implement stuff which
is not an official standard.

--
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2024-04-12, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2024-04-11 19:55, Anonymous wrote:
>>> Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2024-04-10 23:28, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-04-09 23:14, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-04 09:44, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 4/4/24 9:10 AM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-03 18:51, Sn!pe wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju,
>>>>>>>>>>>> every one
>>>>>>>>>>>> else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both
>>>>>>>>>>> candidates
>>>>>>>>>>> to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This Is Not End Of Everything?  Best I could come up with.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Trump is better than Biden.  Period.  You vote against the
>>>>>>>>> greater evil.   Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely
>>>>>>>> compromised by Putin.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Was it the falling unemployment?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> United States GDP is fake and gay.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why is Russia able to produce enough missiles and shells, and the United
>>>>> States can't? That's a tell right there.
>>>>
>>>> And where do you get these supposed "facts"?
>>>>
>>>> Where do you get that the US can't produce enough missiles OR shells?
>>>
>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/19/artillery-ammunition-ukraine-pentagon/
>>>
>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/08/us-weapons-manufacturing-ukraine/
>>>
>>> https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/politics/ukraine-critical-ammo-shortage-us-nato-grapple/index.html
>>
>> And I forgot to ask:
>>
>> Where do you get your supposed "facts" about how many missiles and
>> shells Russia can produce?
>
> Straight from Mother Russia, of course.
>

The approximate number of cruise missiles Russia has expended in the
Ukraine is known from observations.

Alan wrote:
> On 2024-04-11 19:55, Anonymous wrote:
>> Alan wrote:
>>> On 2024-04-10 23:28, Anonymous wrote:
>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-04-09 23:14, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-04-04 09:44, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 4/4/24 9:10 AM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-03 18:51, Sn!pe wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju, every one
>>>>>>>>>>> else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both candidates
>>>>>>>>>> to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This Is Not End Of Everything?  Best I could come up with.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Trump is better than Biden.  Period.  You vote against the greater evil.
>>>>>>>>   Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely compromised
>>>>>>> by Putin.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Was it the falling unemployment?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> United States GDP is fake and gay.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.
>>>>
>>>> Why is Russia able to produce enough missiles and shells, and the United
>>>> States can't? That's a tell right there.
>>>
>>> And where do you get these supposed "facts"?
>>>
>>> Where do you get that the US can't produce enough missiles OR shells?
>>
>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/19/artillery-ammunition-ukraine-pentagon/
>
> Out of date.
>
>>
>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/08/us-weapons-manufacturing-ukraine/
>
> Out of date.
>
>>
>> https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/politics/ukraine-critical-ammo-shortage-us-nato-grapple/index.html
>
> Out of date.
>
> But moreover, this in no way supports the idea that the US GDP figures are fake.
>
> All it shows is that the US needs to ramp up its production...

Which will take years, if at all.

> ...which it is doing:
>
> <https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/landwarfareintl/us-army-is-close-to-producing-80000-155mm-shells-per-month/>
>
> <https://www.army.mil/article/273152/us_army_and_industry_partners_mobilize_to_boost_us_artillery_production>
>

Which is not enough:

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/10/politics/russia-artillery-shell-production-us-europe-ukraine/index.html

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-says-its-production-artillery-shells-has-soared-by-nearly-150-year-2024-03-21/

On 2024-04-12 23:27, Anonymous wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-04-11 19:55, Anonymous wrote:
>>> Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2024-04-10 23:28, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-04-09 23:14, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-04 09:44, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 4/4/24 9:10 AM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-03 18:51, Sn!pe wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange
>>>>>>>>>>>> Juju, every one
>>>>>>>>>>>> else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more
>>>>>>>>>>>> harm.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both
>>>>>>>>>>> candidates
>>>>>>>>>>> to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This Is Not End Of Everything?  Best I could come up with.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Trump is better than Biden.  Period.  You vote against the
>>>>>>>>> greater evil.   Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he
>>>>>>>>> was in?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely
>>>>>>>> compromised by Putin.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Was it the falling unemployment?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> United States GDP is fake and gay.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why is Russia able to produce enough missiles and shells, and the
>>>>> United
>>>>> States can't? That's a tell right there.
>>>>
>>>> And where do you get these supposed "facts"?
>>>>
>>>> Where do you get that the US can't produce enough missiles OR shells?
>>>
>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/19/artillery-ammunition-ukraine-pentagon/
>>
>> Out of date.
>>
>>>
>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/08/us-weapons-manufacturing-ukraine/
>>
>> Out of date.
>>
>>>
>>> https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/politics/ukraine-critical-ammo-shortage-us-nato-grapple/index.html
>>
>> Out of date.
>>
>> But moreover, this in no way supports the idea that the US GDP figures
>> are fake.
>>
>> All it shows is that the US needs to ramp up its production...
>
> Which will take years, if at all.

Which is already happening.

>
>> ...which it is doing:
>>
>> <https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/landwarfareintl/us-army-is-close-to-producing-80000-155mm-shells-per-month/>
>>
>> <https://www.army.mil/article/273152/us_army_and_industry_partners_mobilize_to_boost_us_artillery_production>
>>
>
> Which is not enough:
>
> https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/10/politics/russia-artillery-shell-production-us-europe-ukraine/index.html
>
> https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-says-its-production-artillery-shells-has-soared-by-nearly-150-year-2024-03-21/

And you believe what Russia says?

On 2024-04-12 23:05, Anonymous wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2024-04-12, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>> On 2024-04-11 19:55, Anonymous wrote:
>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-04-10 23:28, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-04-09 23:14, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-04 09:44, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 4/4/24 9:10 AM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-03 18:51, Sn!pe wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> every one
>>>>>>>>>>>>> else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more
>>>>>>>>>>>>> harm.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both
>>>>>>>>>>>> candidates
>>>>>>>>>>>> to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This Is Not End Of Everything?  Best I could come up with.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Trump is better than Biden.  Period.  You vote against the
>>>>>>>>>> greater evil.   Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he
>>>>>>>>>> was in?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely
>>>>>>>>> compromised by Putin.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Was it the falling unemployment?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> United States GDP is fake and gay.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why is Russia able to produce enough missiles and shells, and the
>>>>>> United
>>>>>> States can't? That's a tell right there.
>>>>>
>>>>> And where do you get these supposed "facts"?
>>>>>
>>>>> Where do you get that the US can't produce enough missiles OR shells?
>>>>
>>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/19/artillery-ammunition-ukraine-pentagon/
>>>>
>>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/08/us-weapons-manufacturing-ukraine/
>>>>
>>>> https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/politics/ukraine-critical-ammo-shortage-us-nato-grapple/index.html
>>>
>>> And I forgot to ask:
>>>
>>> Where do you get your supposed "facts" about how many missiles and
>>> shells Russia can produce?
>>
>> Straight from Mother Russia, of course.
>>
>
> The approximate number of cruise missiles Russia has expended in the
> Ukraine is known from observations.

But not the number that they've manufactured, doofus.

On 01.04.2024 02:55, Tamborino wrote:
> This is the common misunderstanding with both RCS in general and Apple's
> update in particular. RCS is not end-to-end encrypted.

Arlen again.Troll.

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Alan wrote:
> On 2024-04-12 23:05, Anonymous wrote:
>> Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> On 2024-04-12, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-04-11 19:55, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-04-10 23:28, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-09 23:14, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-04 09:44, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/4/24 9:10 AM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-03 18:51, Sn!pe wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both
>>>>>>>>>>>>> candidates
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This Is Not End Of Everything?  Best I could come up with.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Trump is better than Biden.  Period.  You vote against the
>>>>>>>>>>> greater evil.   Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely
>>>>>>>>>> compromised by Putin.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Was it the falling unemployment?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> United States GDP is fake and gay.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why is Russia able to produce enough missiles and shells, and the United
>>>>>>> States can't? That's a tell right there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And where do you get these supposed "facts"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where do you get that the US can't produce enough missiles OR shells?
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/19/artillery-ammunition-ukraine-pentagon/
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/08/us-weapons-manufacturing-ukraine/
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/politics/ukraine-critical-ammo-shortage-us-nato-grapple/index.html
>>>>
>>>> And I forgot to ask:
>>>>
>>>> Where do you get your supposed "facts" about how many missiles and
>>>> shells Russia can produce?
>>>
>>> Straight from Mother Russia, of course.
>>>
>>
>> The approximate number of cruise missiles Russia has expended in the
>> Ukraine is known from observations.
>
> But not the number that they've manufactured, doofus.

The United States produces some 150 Tomahawk cruise missiles a year.
Russia has expended somewhere around 5,000 similar missiles as of a
year ago. Russia hasn't run out.

Chris wrote:
> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>> Chris wrote:
>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Java Jive wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 04/04/2024 01:58, Hank Rogers wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So is trump. They are much alike and have never done anything wrong. Ever.
>>>>>>>>>> Neither has ever committed a crime or screwed a customer or business partner.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That is provably untrue, in that Trump has already lost two civil cases,
>>>>>>>>> wherein one of which a jury found him to be a rapist - in most civilised
>>>>>>>>> people's view, that is both committing a crime and screwing someone.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Losing a civil case is not the same as a criminal conviction.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The claim was the he "never done anything wrong". Losing a civil case is a
>>>>>>> clear case of doing something wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No it's not. Anyone can sue anyone for anything.
>>>>>
>>>>> And? If the court finds against you you've legally done something wrong.
>>>>
>>>> Not morally.
>>>
>>> Are you saying that Trump has never done anything morally wrong? You've
>>> completely lost any sense of reality.
>>>
>>> At the very least he cheated on two of his wives. He sexually assaulted one
>>> woman (probably more) and he defrauded several banks and the IRS.
>>
>> If he legitimately "knife to the throat" raped women,
>
> What the fuck does that mean?
>
>> then why wasn't
>> he criminally prosecuted?
>
> Like you said yourself the US system doesn't provide justice, especially
> against rich, powerful men. Sexual assault hasn't been treated well by the
> CJS for a long time.

Well, you probably think Jacqueline Coakley was telling the truth. LOL!

Forget accusations, most rape _convictions_ are false.

>> If he defrauded the IRS, was he criminally
>> charged?
>
> Not yet. Here's hoping...
>
>>>> The legal system very rarely has anything to do with
>>>> actual justice.
>>>
>>> In the US, I agree. You've got the system you all wanted.
>>>
>>>>> Also the state DA isn't just anyone and fraud or defamation aren't just
>>>>> anything.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you or I defrauded a bank or insurance company we'd rightly be
>>>>> prosecuted.
>>>>
>>>> Prosecuted under criminal statutes, not sued under civil.
>>>
>>> Why? Civil law is just as important.
>>
>> Standards of proof in the civil system is not as rigorous as that
>> in the criminal system.
>
> Still evidence of wrongdoing.
>
>>>>> Why should it be any different for Trump?
>>>>
>>>> Nobody is saying it should be.
>>>
>>> That's not true. You're saying he's done nothing wrong and shouldn't face
>>> trial. The courts should decide.
>>>
>>>>>>> Everyone is NYC has known for decades what kind of crook he is. If it
>>>>>>> wasn't for the hundreds of millions of dollars he got from Fred he'd just
>>>>>>> be pretty street criminal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Further, he faces 91 further criminal charges in 4 separate cases,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All politically-motivated persecutions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lol. I love how the right are strong on law and order until one of their
>>>>>>> own is found wanting in that dept. Then it's "persecution". Hypocrites the
>>>>>>> lot of them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How people for that, I don't know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I want order. After that, we can have law. Instead, we have politically-
>>>>>> motivated persecutions for made-up crimes,
>>>>>
>>>>> Federal law and election law are made up now, are they? The right were
>>>>> desperate for Biden to be arrested for exactly the same as Trump. Again,
>>>>> it's one rule for you and different rules for others. That's not how fair
>>>>> society works.
>>>>
>>>> There are countless laws that literally invent crimes and proscribe
>>>> punishments when there is no concrete harm being done to anyone or
>>>> anything.
>>>
>>> Countless, really? Examples.
>
> Notable you didn't answer this.

All laws that punish mere possession of firearms by peaceable men, for one,
if you really want to get into that debate.

Also, Bragg hasn't told us what underlying felony Trump allegedly committed.

On 2024-04-13 22:03, Anonymous wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-04-12 23:05, Anonymous wrote:
>>> Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>> On 2024-04-12, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-04-11 19:55, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-04-10 23:28, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-09 23:14, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-04 09:44, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/4/24 9:10 AM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-03 18:51, Sn!pe wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Juju,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more harm.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> candidates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This Is Not End Of Everything?  Best I could come up with.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump is better than Biden.  Period.  You vote against the
>>>>>>>>>>>> greater evil.   Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he
>>>>>>>>>>>> was in?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely
>>>>>>>>>>> compromised by Putin.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Was it the falling unemployment?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> United States GDP is fake and gay.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why is Russia able to produce enough missiles and shells, and
>>>>>>>> the United
>>>>>>>> States can't? That's a tell right there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And where do you get these supposed "facts"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where do you get that the US can't produce enough missiles OR
>>>>>>> shells?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/19/artillery-ammunition-ukraine-pentagon/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/08/us-weapons-manufacturing-ukraine/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/politics/ukraine-critical-ammo-shortage-us-nato-grapple/index.html
>>>>>
>>>>> And I forgot to ask:
>>>>>
>>>>> Where do you get your supposed "facts" about how many missiles and
>>>>> shells Russia can produce?
>>>>
>>>> Straight from Mother Russia, of course.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The approximate number of cruise missiles Russia has expended in the
>>> Ukraine is known from observations.
>>
>> But not the number that they've manufactured, doofus.
>
> The United States produces some 150 Tomahawk cruise missiles a year.
> Russia has expended somewhere around 5,000 similar missiles as of a
> year ago. Russia hasn't run out.

What does that prove, doofus?

For all you know, they have no more.

And where do you get your figures on how many "similar missiles" (does
that mean cruise missiles or just missiles?) Russia has used, doofus?
Russia again?

On 2024-04-13 22:23, Anonymous wrote:
> Chris wrote:
>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>> Chris wrote:
>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Java Jive wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 04/04/2024 01:58, Hank Rogers wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So is trump. They are much alike and have never done anything
>>>>>>>>>>> wrong. Ever.
>>>>>>>>>>> Neither has ever committed a crime or screwed a customer or
>>>>>>>>>>> business partner.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That is provably untrue, in that Trump has already lost two
>>>>>>>>>> civil cases,
>>>>>>>>>> wherein one of which a jury found him to be a rapist  -  in
>>>>>>>>>> most civilised
>>>>>>>>>> people's view, that is both committing a crime and screwing
>>>>>>>>>> someone.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Losing a civil case is not the same as a criminal conviction.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The claim was the he "never done anything wrong". Losing a civil
>>>>>>>> case is a
>>>>>>>> clear case of doing something wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No it's not. Anyone can sue anyone for anything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And? If the court finds against you you've legally done something
>>>>>> wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not morally.
>>>>
>>>> Are you saying that Trump has never done anything morally wrong? You've
>>>> completely lost any sense of reality.
>>>>
>>>> At the very least he cheated on two of his wives. He sexually
>>>> assaulted one
>>>> woman (probably more) and he defrauded several banks and the IRS.
>>>
>>> If he legitimately "knife to the throat" raped women,
>>
>> What the fuck does that mean?
>>
>>> then why wasn't
>>> he criminally prosecuted?
>>
>> Like you said yourself the US system doesn't provide justice, especially
>> against rich, powerful men. Sexual assault hasn't been treated well by
>> the
>> CJS for a long time.
>
> Well, you probably think Jacqueline Coakley was telling the truth. LOL!
>
> Forget accusations, most rape _convictions_ are false.
>
>>> If he defrauded the IRS, was he criminally
>>> charged?
>>
>> Not yet. Here's hoping...
>>
>>>>> The legal system very rarely has anything to do with
>>>>> actual justice.
>>>>
>>>> In the US, I agree. You've got the system you all wanted.
>>>>
>>>>>> Also the state DA isn't just anyone and fraud or defamation aren't
>>>>>> just
>>>>>> anything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you or I defrauded a bank or insurance company we'd rightly be
>>>>>> prosecuted.
>>>>>
>>>>> Prosecuted under criminal statutes, not sued under civil.
>>>>
>>>> Why? Civil law is just as important.
>>>
>>> Standards of proof in the civil system is not as rigorous as that
>>> in the criminal system.
>>
>> Still evidence of wrongdoing.
>>
>>>>>> Why should it be any different for Trump?
>>>>>
>>>>> Nobody is saying it should be.
>>>>
>>>> That's not true. You're saying he's done nothing wrong and shouldn't
>>>> face
>>>> trial. The courts should decide.
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Everyone is NYC has known for decades what kind of crook he is.
>>>>>>>> If it
>>>>>>>> wasn't for the hundreds of millions of dollars he got from Fred
>>>>>>>> he'd just
>>>>>>>> be pretty street criminal.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Further, he faces 91 further criminal charges in 4 separate
>>>>>>>>>> cases,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> All politically-motivated persecutions.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lol. I love how the right are strong on law and order until one
>>>>>>>> of their
>>>>>>>> own is found wanting in that dept. Then it's "persecution".
>>>>>>>> Hypocrites the
>>>>>>>> lot of them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How people for that, I don't know.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I want order. After that, we can have law. Instead, we have
>>>>>>> politically-
>>>>>>> motivated persecutions for made-up crimes,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Federal law and election law are made up now, are they? The right
>>>>>> were
>>>>>> desperate for Biden to be arrested for exactly the same as Trump.
>>>>>> Again,
>>>>>> it's one rule for you and different rules for others. That's not
>>>>>> how fair
>>>>>> society works.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are countless laws that literally invent crimes and proscribe
>>>>> punishments when there is no concrete harm being done to anyone or
>>>>> anything.
>>>>
>>>> Countless, really? Examples.
>>
>> Notable you didn't answer this.
>
> All laws that punish mere possession of firearms by peaceable men, for one,
> if you really want to get into that debate.
>
> Also, Bragg hasn't told us what underlying felony Trump allegedly
> committed.

Sure he has.

It is literally in the indictments.

<https://www.scribd.com/document/636099588/Donald-J-Trump-Indictment>

I'll give you one example:

'THE GRAND JURY OF THE COUNTY OF NEW YORK, by this indictment, accuses
the defendant of the crime of FALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS IN THE FIRST
DEGREE , in violation of Penal Law §175.10, committed as follows: The
defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about February
14, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and
aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in
the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an invoice from Michael
Cohen dated February 14, 2017, marked as a record of the Donald J. Trump
Revocable Trust, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.'

That's a FELONY, doofus.

There are 33 more listed there.

Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
> Chris wrote:
>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>> Chris wrote:
>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Java Jive wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 04/04/2024 01:58, Hank Rogers wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So is trump. They are much alike and have never done anything wrong. Ever.
>>>>>>>>>>> Neither has ever committed a crime or screwed a customer or business partner.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That is provably untrue, in that Trump has already lost two civil cases,
>>>>>>>>>> wherein one of which a jury found him to be a rapist - in most civilised
>>>>>>>>>> people's view, that is both committing a crime and screwing someone.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Losing a civil case is not the same as a criminal conviction.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The claim was the he "never done anything wrong". Losing a civil case is a
>>>>>>>> clear case of doing something wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No it's not. Anyone can sue anyone for anything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And? If the court finds against you you've legally done something wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not morally.
>>>>
>>>> Are you saying that Trump has never done anything morally wrong? You've
>>>> completely lost any sense of reality.
>>>>
>>>> At the very least he cheated on two of his wives. He sexually assaulted one
>>>> woman (probably more) and he defrauded several banks and the IRS.
>>>
>>> If he legitimately "knife to the throat" raped women,
>>
>> What the fuck does that mean?
>>
>>> then why wasn't
>>> he criminally prosecuted?
>>
>> Like you said yourself the US system doesn't provide justice, especially
>> against rich, powerful men. Sexual assault hasn't been treated well by the
>> CJS for a long time.
>
> Well, you probably think Jacqueline Coakley was telling the truth. LOL!
>
> Forget accusations, most rape _convictions_ are false.

Spoken like a true misogynist.

Are there any aspects of the law you trust? From here it sounds like you'd
prefer the wild west.

>>>>> There are countless laws that literally invent crimes and proscribe
>>>>> punishments when there is no concrete harm being done to anyone or
>>>>> anything.
>>>>
>>>> Countless, really? Examples.
>>
>> Notable you didn't answer this.
>
> All laws that punish mere possession of firearms by peaceable men, for one,
> if you really want to get into that debate.

Why do "peaceable men" need to have a gun? In modern society there's no
need for anyone to be carrying guns. It's just boys pretending to be men.

When everyone is carrying a gun you can't differentiate between the good
and bad guys. When you ban guns the bad guys are easy to spot.

But "muh freedom" is more important. Idiots the lot of them.

On 4/14/24 2:34 AM, Chris wrote:

> Why do "peaceable men" need to have a gun? In modern society there's no
> need for anyone to be carrying guns. It's just boys pretending to be men.
>
> When everyone is carrying a gun you can't differentiate between the good
> and bad guys. When you ban guns the bad guys are easy to spot.

Then what? Call a cop and maybe one will show up in half an hour?

> But "muh freedom" is more important. Idiots the lot of them.

--
Cheers, Bev
"Tell someone you love them today, because life is short.
But scream it at them in Klingon, because life is also
terrifying and confusing." -- D. Moore

On 2024-04-14 10:38, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 4/14/24 2:34 AM, Chris wrote:
>
>> Why do "peaceable men" need to have a gun? In modern society there's no
>> need for anyone to be carrying guns. It's just boys pretending to be men.
>>
>> When everyone is carrying a gun you can't differentiate between the good
>> and bad guys. When you ban guns the bad guys are easy to spot.
>
> Then what?  Call a cop and maybe one will show up in half an hour?
>
>> But "muh freedom" is more important. Idiots the lot of them.
>

You know, Canada is pretty much identical to the US from a
cultural/socio-economic standpoint and yet there is this one weird thing:

We have far FAR fewer people getting killed by firearms; more then 5
times fewer.