The trip I took on Sunday was up to Reno via car rather than a bike ride, It was to take out a marriage license and remarry my ex-wife with whom we have been living together for the last six years.

My brother and his fourth wife live in Reno and they have a new house under construction. That is being held up by not being able to get the lathe used for the plaster and lathe exterior.

His latest wife was a nurse that ran the diabetes clinic and is extremely orderly so she had me make appointments for everything when I would normally have winged it. After all, Reno is the place where thousands of people do to get married. I had an appointment to get the marriage license at 3 pm but as usual my wife couldn't get ready until 1/2 hours after our expected start time. Then we had to stop at a Sonic hamburger place east of Sacramento she knew because it had clean bathrooms. We also bought a hamburger. They are pretty good since everything that goes into making them is fresh today. Nothing is ever frozen.

Them when it appeared that we would be just on time the Maps App changed North 9th St. to South 9th St. and I couldn't find the damned building. Luckily my brother was there and finally talked us into the correct location. I sure as hell don't know why I needed an appointment since you could hear a pin drop in that building. The only ones there were two clerks and Ann and I. We then proceeded to the marriage chapel and were properly married for the second time. We had a hard time keeping straight faces since we'd already gone through the "or worse" part and survived it.

On the way out there was another couple that had just been married that were older than Ann and I. The reverend told us that people were waiting to get married until they both received their social security these days because most people work and want their own income. If you are married before drawing SS you get less as a married couple.

Brother Bob then took us down to his house under construction to show it off. One thing that stood out is that they now plumb these places with clear plastic water tubes rather than piping. It is my belief that this makes the water facets etc. silent in use. I have a dishwasher that is connected via a plastic tube and you can't hear it working unless you stand adjacent and listen hard.

We then went out to dinner at a local high end restaurant. I had a bottle of Champaign that Ann had gotten as a present at some time. It was made in a winery in Livermore that is known for making barely so-so wine. But that was the best Champaign I hade ever drank. For company parties I used to buy very expensive Champaign so I did have plenty of comparisons. My brother the wine connoisseur said that winery was known for that great Champaign. Since I had ridden there many times on rides with friends I now know what to bring back.

The next morning we attempted to fill up again but it was one of those places that you had to guess how much you needed and pay for it prior to pumping. Well, I guessed low since the price there was only a quarter less than in California.

The trip home was uneventful other than the traffic which believes in driving 90 mph in 65 mph zones. I think that I'm going to look into suing California for everything they have. They are willing to seize your car and put you in jail overnight for having a blood alcohol level of 0.8 on the grounds that you are a public threat (most people can hardly even feel that much alcohol) but they are willing to do absolutely nothing about people driving 25 mph over the speed limit and now even trucks are driving 70 mph when the speed limit is 55. In the unusual case they arrest someone for drunk driving it is because they are speeding or weaving all over the road. So why not the people that are speeding and weaving all over the road without alcohol in their system? 3,600 people are killed each year from speeding and it is almost always signed off as drunk driving and not speeding and reckless driving.

Arrived home and the cat was mad at me for leaving her alone for a day so she ignored me while purring up a storm for the wife.

Funny thing, while getting the marriage license apparently you can legally change your name to something else. I considered changing mine to Frank Kragowski so that I could post conservative ideas under that name and lead Frank on to suicide.

On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 8:43:40 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> The trip I took on Sunday was up to Reno via car rather than a bike ride, It was to take out a marriage license and remarry my ex-wife with whom we have been living together for the last six years.
>
> My brother and his fourth wife live in Reno and they have a new house under construction. That is being held up by not being able to get the lathe used for the plaster and lathe exterior.
>
> His latest wife was a nurse that ran the diabetes clinic and is extremely orderly so she had me make appointments for everything when I would normally have winged it. After all, Reno is the place where thousands of people do to get married. I had an appointment to get the marriage license at 3 pm but as usual my wife couldn't get ready until 1/2 hours after our expected start time. Then we had to stop at a Sonic hamburger place east of Sacramento she knew because it had clean bathrooms. We also bought a hamburger. They are pretty good since everything that goes into making them is fresh today. Nothing is ever frozen.
>
> Them when it appeared that we would be just on time the Maps App changed North 9th St. to South 9th St. and I couldn't find the damned building. Luckily my brother was there and finally talked us into the correct location. I sure as hell don't know why I needed an appointment since you could hear a pin drop in that building. The only ones there were two clerks and Ann and I. We then proceeded to the marriage chapel and were properly married for the second time. We had a hard time keeping straight faces since we'd already gone through the "or worse" part and survived it.
>
> On the way out there was another couple that had just been married that were older than Ann and I. The reverend told us that people were waiting to get married until they both received their social security these days because most people work and want their own income. If you are married before drawing SS you get less as a married couple.
>
> Brother Bob then took us down to his house under construction to show it off. One thing that stood out is that they now plumb these places with clear plastic water tubes rather than piping. It is my belief that this makes the water facets etc. silent in use. I have a dishwasher that is connected via a plastic tube and you can't hear it working unless you stand adjacent and listen hard.
>
> We then went out to dinner at a local high end restaurant. I had a bottle of Champaign that Ann had gotten as a present at some time. It was made in a winery in Livermore that is known for making barely so-so wine. But that was the best Champaign I hade ever drank. For company parties I used to buy very expensive Champaign so I did have plenty of comparisons. My brother the wine connoisseur said that winery was known for that great Champaign. Since I had ridden there many times on rides with friends I now know what to bring back.
>
> The next morning we attempted to fill up again but it was one of those places that you had to guess how much you needed and pay for it prior to pumping. Well, I guessed low since the price there was only a quarter less than in California.
>
> The trip home was uneventful other than the traffic which believes in driving 90 mph in 65 mph zones. I think that I'm going to look into suing California for everything they have. They are willing to seize your car and put you in jail overnight for having a blood alcohol level of 0.8 on the grounds that you are a public threat (most people can hardly even feel that much alcohol) but they are willing to do absolutely nothing about people driving 25 mph over the speed limit and now even trucks are driving 70 mph when the speed limit is 55. In the unusual case they arrest someone for drunk driving it is because they are speeding or weaving all over the road. So why not the people that are speeding and weaving all over the road without alcohol in their system? 3,600 people are killed each year from speeding and it is almost always signed off as drunk driving and not speeding and reckless driving.
>
> Arrived home and the cat was mad at me for leaving her alone for a day so she ignored me while purring up a storm for the wife.
>
> Funny thing, while getting the marriage license apparently you can legally change your name to something else. I considered changing mine to Frank Kragowski so that I could post conservative ideas under that name and lead Frank on to suicide.

I forgot to add that there is actually a bike route from the bay area to Reno. About half of it is paved and the other half is gravel. The route sheet shows an overnight stop pass Sacramento. I once led a ride from the bay area to Sacramento and it was a fairly easy ride. so the worst part would be the gravel route over Donner Pass which tops out about 6,000 feet and has snow on the shadowed part all year round. The same with Mt. Rose near Reno, though on my trips circumnavigating Lake Tahoe which has one spot nearly that high it was always nice and warm in the summer time.

A bit of advice, all of the casinos have hotels in them. DO NOT use these. They allow smoking in the casinos though not the rooms but you have to navigate through the casinos to get to the hotel registration. The inside of the casinos smell like 100 years of cigarette smoke. Non-smoking motels rather than the casino hotels would be far better. I have to get my suit dry cleaned now to get that smell out of it.

Another thing: with the price of the room comes a "service" charge that doubles the price so while it sounds cheap it isn't. The service charge goes to low tax Nevada from rich Californians. It will take me two months to catch up on all of the bills. My car hasn't had a tune-up in five years (almost 40,000 miles ago) it still averaged 29 mpg for the trip. This for a full size Ford Taurus over a 6,000 ft pass. On my trip to Phoenix it averaged 35 mpg and on the way back it was 45 mpg. Heating the engine up causes all of the gasoline that seeps around the rings and into the oil to be evaporated and lubricates the engine much more efficiently.

On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 08:43:38 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>The trip I took on Sunday was up to Reno via car rather than a bike ride, It was to take out a marriage license and remarry my ex-wife with whom we have been living together for the last six years.
>
>My brother and his fourth wife live in Reno and they have a new house under construction. That is being held up by not being able to get the lathe used for the plaster and lathe exterior.
>
>His latest wife was a nurse that ran the diabetes clinic and is extremely orderly so she had me make appointments for everything when I would normally have winged it. After all, Reno is the place where thousands of people do to get married. I had an appointment to get the marriage license at 3 pm but as usual my wife couldn't get ready until 1/2 hours after our expected start time. Then we had to stop at a Sonic hamburger place east of Sacramento she knew because it had clean bathrooms. We also bought a hamburger. They are pretty good since everything that goes into making them is fresh today. Nothing is ever frozen.
>
>Them when it appeared that we would be just on time the Maps App changed North 9th St. to South 9th St. and I couldn't find the damned building. Luckily my brother was there and finally talked us into the correct location. I sure as hell don't know why I needed an appointment since you could hear a pin drop in that building. The only ones there were two clerks and Ann and I. We then proceeded to the marriage chapel and were properly married for the second time. We had a hard time keeping straight faces since we'd already gone through the "or worse" part and survived it.
>
>On the way out there was another couple that had just been married that were older than Ann and I. The reverend told us that people were waiting to get married until they both received their social security these days because most people work and want their own income. If you are married before drawing SS you get less as a married couple.
>
>Brother Bob then took us down to his house under construction to show it off. One thing that stood out is that they now plumb these places with clear plastic water tubes rather than piping. It is my belief that this makes the water facets etc. silent in use. I have a dishwasher that is connected via a plastic tube and you can't hear it working unless you stand adjacent and listen hard.
>
>We then went out to dinner at a local high end restaurant. I had a bottle of Champaign that Ann had gotten as a present at some time. It was made in a winery in Livermore that is known for making barely so-so wine. But that was the best Champaign I hade ever drank. For company parties I used to buy very expensive Champaign so I did have plenty of comparisons. My brother the wine connoisseur said that winery was known for that great Champaign. Since I had ridden there many times on rides with friends I now know what to bring back.
>
>The next morning we attempted to fill up again but it was one of those places that you had to guess how much you needed and pay for it prior to pumping. Well, I guessed low since the price there was only a quarter less than in California.
>
>The trip home was uneventful other than the traffic which believes in driving 90 mph in 65 mph zones. I think that I'm going to look into suing California for everything they have. They are willing to seize your car and put you in jail overnight for having a blood alcohol level of 0.8 on the grounds that you are a public threat (most people can hardly even feel that much alcohol) but they are willing to do absolutely nothing about people driving 25 mph over the speed limit and now even trucks are driving 70 mph when the speed limit is 55. In the unusual case they arrest someone for drunk driving it is because they are speeding or weaving all over the road. So why not the people that are speeding and weaving all over the road without alcohol in their system? 3,600 people are killed each year from speeding and it is almost always signed off as drunk driving and not speeding and reckless driving.
>
>Arrived home and the cat was mad at me for leaving her alone for a day so she ignored me while purring up a storm for the wife.
>
>Funny thing, while getting the marriage license apparently you can legally change your name to something else. I considered changing mine to Frank Kragowski so that I could post conservative ideas under that name and lead Frank on to suicide.

Just out of curiosity and not to start an argument. Why Reno to get
married? Or to put it the other way, why not California?

By the way, a blood alcohol level of 0.8 indicates that you are either
in a coma or dead. You meant 0.08 (the current legal limit in the U.S,
except Utah) (:-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 4:43:40 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> The trip I took on Sunday was up to Reno via car rather than a bike ride, It was to take out a marriage license and remarry my ex-wife with whom we have been living together for the last six years.
>
> My brother and his fourth wife live in Reno and they have a new house under construction. That is being held up by not being able to get the lathe used for the plaster and lathe exterior.
>
> His latest wife was a nurse that ran the diabetes clinic and is extremely orderly so she had me make appointments for everything when I would normally have winged it. After all, Reno is the place where thousands of people do to get married. I had an appointment to get the marriage license at 3 pm but as usual my wife couldn't get ready until 1/2 hours after our expected start time. Then we had to stop at a Sonic hamburger place east of Sacramento she knew because it had clean bathrooms. We also bought a hamburger. They are pretty good since everything that goes into making them is fresh today. Nothing is ever frozen.
>
> Them when it appeared that we would be just on time the Maps App changed North 9th St. to South 9th St. and I couldn't find the damned building. Luckily my brother was there and finally talked us into the correct location. I sure as hell don't know why I needed an appointment since you could hear a pin drop in that building. The only ones there were two clerks and Ann and I. We then proceeded to the marriage chapel and were properly married for the second time. We had a hard time keeping straight faces since we'd already gone through the "or worse" part and survived it.
>
> On the way out there was another couple that had just been married that were older than Ann and I. The reverend told us that people were waiting to get married until they both received their social security these days because most people work and want their own income. If you are married before drawing SS you get less as a married couple.
>
> Brother Bob then took us down to his house under construction to show it off. One thing that stood out is that they now plumb these places with clear plastic water tubes rather than piping. It is my belief that this makes the water facets etc. silent in use. I have a dishwasher that is connected via a plastic tube and you can't hear it working unless you stand adjacent and listen hard.
>
> We then went out to dinner at a local high end restaurant. I had a bottle of Champaign that Ann had gotten as a present at some time. It was made in a winery in Livermore that is known for making barely so-so wine. But that was the best Champaign I hade ever drank. For company parties I used to buy very expensive Champaign so I did have plenty of comparisons. My brother the wine connoisseur said that winery was known for that great Champaign. Since I had ridden there many times on rides with friends I now know what to bring back.
>
> The next morning we attempted to fill up again but it was one of those places that you had to guess how much you needed and pay for it prior to pumping. Well, I guessed low since the price there was only a quarter less than in California.
>
> The trip home was uneventful other than the traffic which believes in driving 90 mph in 65 mph zones. I think that I'm going to look into suing California for everything they have. They are willing to seize your car and put you in jail overnight for having a blood alcohol level of 0.8 on the grounds that you are a public threat (most people can hardly even feel that much alcohol) but they are willing to do absolutely nothing about people driving 25 mph over the speed limit and now even trucks are driving 70 mph when the speed limit is 55. In the unusual case they arrest someone for drunk driving it is because they are speeding or weaving all over the road. So why not the people that are speeding and weaving all over the road without alcohol in their system? 3,600 people are killed each year from speeding and it is almost always signed off as drunk driving and not speeding and reckless driving.
>
> Arrived home and the cat was mad at me for leaving her alone for a day so she ignored me while purring up a storm for the wife.
>
> Funny thing, while getting the marriage license apparently you can legally change your name to something else. I considered changing mine to Frank Kragowski so that I could post conservative ideas under that name and lead Frank on to suicide.

Congratulation. No?

Lou

On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 2:51:34 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 4:43:40 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > The trip I took on Sunday was up to Reno via car rather than a bike ride, It was to take out a marriage license and remarry my ex-wife with whom we have been living together for the last six years.
> >
> > My brother and his fourth wife live in Reno and they have a new house under construction. That is being held up by not being able to get the lathe used for the plaster and lathe exterior.
> >
> > His latest wife was a nurse that ran the diabetes clinic and is extremely orderly so she had me make appointments for everything when I would normally have winged it. After all, Reno is the place where thousands of people do to get married. I had an appointment to get the marriage license at 3 pm but as usual my wife couldn't get ready until 1/2 hours after our expected start time. Then we had to stop at a Sonic hamburger place east of Sacramento she knew because it had clean bathrooms. We also bought a hamburger. They are pretty good since everything that goes into making them is fresh today. Nothing is ever frozen.
> >
> > Them when it appeared that we would be just on time the Maps App changed North 9th St. to South 9th St. and I couldn't find the damned building. Luckily my brother was there and finally talked us into the correct location.. I sure as hell don't know why I needed an appointment since you could hear a pin drop in that building. The only ones there were two clerks and Ann and I. We then proceeded to the marriage chapel and were properly married for the second time. We had a hard time keeping straight faces since we'd already gone through the "or worse" part and survived it.
> >
> > On the way out there was another couple that had just been married that were older than Ann and I. The reverend told us that people were waiting to get married until they both received their social security these days because most people work and want their own income. If you are married before drawing SS you get less as a married couple.
> >
> > Brother Bob then took us down to his house under construction to show it off. One thing that stood out is that they now plumb these places with clear plastic water tubes rather than piping. It is my belief that this makes the water facets etc. silent in use. I have a dishwasher that is connected via a plastic tube and you can't hear it working unless you stand adjacent and listen hard.
> >
> > We then went out to dinner at a local high end restaurant. I had a bottle of Champaign that Ann had gotten as a present at some time. It was made in a winery in Livermore that is known for making barely so-so wine. But that was the best Champaign I hade ever drank. For company parties I used to buy very expensive Champaign so I did have plenty of comparisons. My brother the wine connoisseur said that winery was known for that great Champaign. Since I had ridden there many times on rides with friends I now know what to bring back.
> >
> > The next morning we attempted to fill up again but it was one of those places that you had to guess how much you needed and pay for it prior to pumping. Well, I guessed low since the price there was only a quarter less than in California.
> >
> > The trip home was uneventful other than the traffic which believes in driving 90 mph in 65 mph zones. I think that I'm going to look into suing California for everything they have. They are willing to seize your car and put you in jail overnight for having a blood alcohol level of 0.8 on the grounds that you are a public threat (most people can hardly even feel that much alcohol) but they are willing to do absolutely nothing about people driving 25 mph over the speed limit and now even trucks are driving 70 mph when the speed limit is 55. In the unusual case they arrest someone for drunk driving it is because they are speeding or weaving all over the road. So why not the people that are speeding and weaving all over the road without alcohol in their system? 3,600 people are killed each year from speeding and it is almost always signed off as drunk driving and not speeding and reckless driving.
> >
> > Arrived home and the cat was mad at me for leaving her alone for a day so she ignored me while purring up a storm for the wife.
> >
> > Funny thing, while getting the marriage license apparently you can legally change your name to something else. I considered changing mine to Frank Kragowski so that I could post conservative ideas under that name and lead Frank on to suicide.
> Congratulation. No?

Thanks. I thought the idea of riding from the bay area to Reno was pretty interesting. I don't have the stamina to do that anymore but if I had known about that just 5 years ago I would have done it.

On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 5:58:54 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 08:43:38 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >The trip I took on Sunday was up to Reno via car rather than a bike ride, It was to take out a marriage license and remarry my ex-wife with whom we have been living together for the last six years.
> >
> >My brother and his fourth wife live in Reno and they have a new house under construction. That is being held up by not being able to get the lathe used for the plaster and lathe exterior.
> >
> >His latest wife was a nurse that ran the diabetes clinic and is extremely orderly so she had me make appointments for everything when I would normally have winged it. After all, Reno is the place where thousands of people do to get married. I had an appointment to get the marriage license at 3 pm but as usual my wife couldn't get ready until 1/2 hours after our expected start time. Then we had to stop at a Sonic hamburger place east of Sacramento she knew because it had clean bathrooms. We also bought a hamburger. They are pretty good since everything that goes into making them is fresh today. Nothing is ever frozen.
> >
> >Them when it appeared that we would be just on time the Maps App changed North 9th St. to South 9th St. and I couldn't find the damned building. Luckily my brother was there and finally talked us into the correct location. I sure as hell don't know why I needed an appointment since you could hear a pin drop in that building. The only ones there were two clerks and Ann and I. We then proceeded to the marriage chapel and were properly married for the second time. We had a hard time keeping straight faces since we'd already gone through the "or worse" part and survived it.
> >
> >On the way out there was another couple that had just been married that were older than Ann and I. The reverend told us that people were waiting to get married until they both received their social security these days because most people work and want their own income. If you are married before drawing SS you get less as a married couple.
> >
> >Brother Bob then took us down to his house under construction to show it off. One thing that stood out is that they now plumb these places with clear plastic water tubes rather than piping. It is my belief that this makes the water facets etc. silent in use. I have a dishwasher that is connected via a plastic tube and you can't hear it working unless you stand adjacent and listen hard.
> >
> >We then went out to dinner at a local high end restaurant. I had a bottle of Champaign that Ann had gotten as a present at some time. It was made in a winery in Livermore that is known for making barely so-so wine. But that was the best Champaign I hade ever drank. For company parties I used to buy very expensive Champaign so I did have plenty of comparisons. My brother the wine connoisseur said that winery was known for that great Champaign. Since I had ridden there many times on rides with friends I now know what to bring back.
> >
> >The next morning we attempted to fill up again but it was one of those places that you had to guess how much you needed and pay for it prior to pumping. Well, I guessed low since the price there was only a quarter less than in California.
> >
> >The trip home was uneventful other than the traffic which believes in driving 90 mph in 65 mph zones. I think that I'm going to look into suing California for everything they have. They are willing to seize your car and put you in jail overnight for having a blood alcohol level of 0.8 on the grounds that you are a public threat (most people can hardly even feel that much alcohol) but they are willing to do absolutely nothing about people driving 25 mph over the speed limit and now even trucks are driving 70 mph when the speed limit is 55. In the unusual case they arrest someone for drunk driving it is because they are speeding or weaving all over the road. So why not the people that are speeding and weaving all over the road without alcohol in their system? 3,600 people are killed each year from speeding and it is almost always signed off as drunk driving and not speeding and reckless driving.
> >
> >Arrived home and the cat was mad at me for leaving her alone for a day so she ignored me while purring up a storm for the wife.
> >
> >Funny thing, while getting the marriage license apparently you can legally change your name to something else. I considered changing mine to Frank Kragowski so that I could post conservative ideas under that name and lead Frank on to suicide.
> Just out of curiosity and not to start an argument. Why Reno to get
> married? Or to put it the other way, why not California?

Have you been gone from the USA that long John? I am sure even when you were just a wee kid John, the laws in Vegas, and I presume all of Nevada, were instant marriage. Zero waiting period for marriage license from the state. Maybe an official marriage license from the state was not even necessary. Just have a preacher, shaman, voodoo doctor, medical doctor, insurance salesman, hotdog vendor, taxi driver, pronounce you man and wife. You could fly or drive into Vegas (Nevada too I presume) and get married right at the airport or at a shop along the strip and be newlyweds by the time you pulled into the hotel parking lot and booked the Honeymoon Suite. I am making up the assumption that to book the Honeymoon Suite you had to be a married couple. Ha Ha. Since Tommy boy lives in the Oakland area, I guess Reno is the closest place in Nevada for him to be an official man and wife.

Now as for Tommy remarrying his ex-wife whom he has been shacking up with for the past six years? I guess that is a whole different story. I put a black spot against her for marrying Tommy the first time. But I guess everyone makes one big mistake at least once in their life. So we can overlook that I guess. But she wised up and divorced Tommy. So we know she is not stupid. But to marry Tommy a second time and shack up with him? Something does not add up here. 2+2=9 I guess.

>
> By the way, a blood alcohol level of 0.8 indicates that you are either
> in a coma or dead. You meant 0.08 (the current legal limit in the U.S,
> except Utah) (:-)
> --
> Cheers,
>
> John B.

On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 17:34:07 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 5:58:54 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 08:43:38 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >The trip I took on Sunday was up to Reno via car rather than a bike ride, It was to take out a marriage license and remarry my ex-wife with whom we have been living together for the last six years.
>> >
>> >My brother and his fourth wife live in Reno and they have a new house under construction. That is being held up by not being able to get the lathe used for the plaster and lathe exterior.
>> >
>> >His latest wife was a nurse that ran the diabetes clinic and is extremely orderly so she had me make appointments for everything when I would normally have winged it. After all, Reno is the place where thousands of people do to get married. I had an appointment to get the marriage license at 3 pm but as usual my wife couldn't get ready until 1/2 hours after our expected start time. Then we had to stop at a Sonic hamburger place east of Sacramento she knew because it had clean bathrooms. We also bought a hamburger. They are pretty good since everything that goes into making them is fresh today. Nothing is ever frozen.
>> >
>> >Them when it appeared that we would be just on time the Maps App changed North 9th St. to South 9th St. and I couldn't find the damned building. Luckily my brother was there and finally talked us into the correct location. I sure as hell don't know why I needed an appointment since you could hear a pin drop in that building. The only ones there were two clerks and Ann and I. We then proceeded to the marriage chapel and were properly married for the second time. We had a hard time keeping straight faces since we'd already gone through the "or worse" part and survived it.
>> >
>> >On the way out there was another couple that had just been married that were older than Ann and I. The reverend told us that people were waiting to get married until they both received their social security these days because most people work and want their own income. If you are married before drawing SS you get less as a married couple.
>> >
>> >Brother Bob then took us down to his house under construction to show it off. One thing that stood out is that they now plumb these places with clear plastic water tubes rather than piping. It is my belief that this makes the water facets etc. silent in use. I have a dishwasher that is connected via a plastic tube and you can't hear it working unless you stand adjacent and listen hard.
>> >
>> >We then went out to dinner at a local high end restaurant. I had a bottle of Champaign that Ann had gotten as a present at some time. It was made in a winery in Livermore that is known for making barely so-so wine. But that was the best Champaign I hade ever drank. For company parties I used to buy very expensive Champaign so I did have plenty of comparisons. My brother the wine connoisseur said that winery was known for that great Champaign. Since I had ridden there many times on rides with friends I now know what to bring back.
>> >
>> >The next morning we attempted to fill up again but it was one of those places that you had to guess how much you needed and pay for it prior to pumping. Well, I guessed low since the price there was only a quarter less than in California.
>> >
>> >The trip home was uneventful other than the traffic which believes in driving 90 mph in 65 mph zones. I think that I'm going to look into suing California for everything they have. They are willing to seize your car and put you in jail overnight for having a blood alcohol level of 0.8 on the grounds that you are a public threat (most people can hardly even feel that much alcohol) but they are willing to do absolutely nothing about people driving 25 mph over the speed limit and now even trucks are driving 70 mph when the speed limit is 55. In the unusual case they arrest someone for drunk driving it is because they are speeding or weaving all over the road. So why not the people that are speeding and weaving all over the road without alcohol in their system? 3,600 people are killed each year from speeding and it is almost always signed off as drunk driving and not speeding and reckless driving.
>> >
>> >Arrived home and the cat was mad at me for leaving her alone for a day so she ignored me while purring up a storm for the wife.
>> >
>> >Funny thing, while getting the marriage license apparently you can legally change your name to something else. I considered changing mine to Frank Kragowski so that I could post conservative ideas under that name and lead Frank on to suicide.
>> Just out of curiosity and not to start an argument. Why Reno to get
>> married? Or to put it the other way, why not California?
>
>Have you been gone from the USA that long John? I am sure even when you were just a wee kid John, the laws in Vegas, and I presume all of Nevada, were instant marriage. Zero waiting period for marriage license from the state. Maybe an official marriage license from the state was not even necessary. Just have a preacher, shaman, voodoo doctor, medical doctor, insurance salesman, hotdog vendor, taxi driver, pronounce you man and wife. You could fly or drive into Vegas (Nevada too I presume) and get married right at the airport or at a shop along the strip and be newlyweds by the time you pulled into the hotel parking lot and booked the Honeymoon Suite. I am making up the assumption that to book the Honeymoon Suite you had to be a married couple. Ha Ha. Since Tommy boy lives in the Oakland area, I guess Reno is the closest place in Nevada for him to be an official man and wife.
>

Well, yes. I was never married in the U.S. My first wife I married in
Japan and the second I married in Thailand.

But more to the point, I keep reading about all the freedom that y'all
have back there, " "the land of the free and the home of the brave" as
the song has it.

And you even need a government license to marry?
And (I just looked it up) you have to pay as much as $93.50 to the
Government for the license.

And even more bizarre, if you simply "shack up" with a girl and she
has a child she can apply for Aid to Unwed Mothers and the Government
will pay her a salary.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 8:08:55 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 17:34:07 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 5:58:54 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> >> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 08:43:38 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >The trip I took on Sunday was up to Reno via car rather than a bike ride, It was to take out a marriage license and remarry my ex-wife with whom we have been living together for the last six years.
> >> >
> >> >My brother and his fourth wife live in Reno and they have a new house under construction. That is being held up by not being able to get the lathe used for the plaster and lathe exterior.
> >> >
> >> >His latest wife was a nurse that ran the diabetes clinic and is extremely orderly so she had me make appointments for everything when I would normally have winged it. After all, Reno is the place where thousands of people do to get married. I had an appointment to get the marriage license at 3 pm but as usual my wife couldn't get ready until 1/2 hours after our expected start time. Then we had to stop at a Sonic hamburger place east of Sacramento she knew because it had clean bathrooms. We also bought a hamburger. They are pretty good since everything that goes into making them is fresh today. Nothing is ever frozen.
> >> >
> >> >Them when it appeared that we would be just on time the Maps App changed North 9th St. to South 9th St. and I couldn't find the damned building. Luckily my brother was there and finally talked us into the correct location. I sure as hell don't know why I needed an appointment since you could hear a pin drop in that building. The only ones there were two clerks and Ann and I. We then proceeded to the marriage chapel and were properly married for the second time. We had a hard time keeping straight faces since we'd already gone through the "or worse" part and survived it.
> >> >
> >> >On the way out there was another couple that had just been married that were older than Ann and I. The reverend told us that people were waiting to get married until they both received their social security these days because most people work and want their own income. If you are married before drawing SS you get less as a married couple.
> >> >
> >> >Brother Bob then took us down to his house under construction to show it off. One thing that stood out is that they now plumb these places with clear plastic water tubes rather than piping. It is my belief that this makes the water facets etc. silent in use. I have a dishwasher that is connected via a plastic tube and you can't hear it working unless you stand adjacent and listen hard.
> >> >
> >> >We then went out to dinner at a local high end restaurant. I had a bottle of Champaign that Ann had gotten as a present at some time. It was made in a winery in Livermore that is known for making barely so-so wine. But that was the best Champaign I hade ever drank. For company parties I used to buy very expensive Champaign so I did have plenty of comparisons. My brother the wine connoisseur said that winery was known for that great Champaign. Since I had ridden there many times on rides with friends I now know what to bring back.
> >> >
> >> >The next morning we attempted to fill up again but it was one of those places that you had to guess how much you needed and pay for it prior to pumping. Well, I guessed low since the price there was only a quarter less than in California.
> >> >
> >> >The trip home was uneventful other than the traffic which believes in driving 90 mph in 65 mph zones. I think that I'm going to look into suing California for everything they have. They are willing to seize your car and put you in jail overnight for having a blood alcohol level of 0.8 on the grounds that you are a public threat (most people can hardly even feel that much alcohol) but they are willing to do absolutely nothing about people driving 25 mph over the speed limit and now even trucks are driving 70 mph when the speed limit is 55. In the unusual case they arrest someone for drunk driving it is because they are speeding or weaving all over the road. So why not the people that are speeding and weaving all over the road without alcohol in their system? 3,600 people are killed each year from speeding and it is almost always signed off as drunk driving and not speeding and reckless driving.
> >> >
> >> >Arrived home and the cat was mad at me for leaving her alone for a day so she ignored me while purring up a storm for the wife.
> >> >
> >> >Funny thing, while getting the marriage license apparently you can legally change your name to something else. I considered changing mine to Frank Kragowski so that I could post conservative ideas under that name and lead Frank on to suicide.
> >> Just out of curiosity and not to start an argument. Why Reno to get
> >> married? Or to put it the other way, why not California?
> >
> >Have you been gone from the USA that long John? I am sure even when you were just a wee kid John, the laws in Vegas, and I presume all of Nevada, were instant marriage. Zero waiting period for marriage license from the state. Maybe an official marriage license from the state was not even necessary. Just have a preacher, shaman, voodoo doctor, medical doctor, insurance salesman, hotdog vendor, taxi driver, pronounce you man and wife. You could fly or drive into Vegas (Nevada too I presume) and get married right at the airport or at a shop along the strip and be newlyweds by the time you pulled into the hotel parking lot and booked the Honeymoon Suite. I am making up the assumption that to book the Honeymoon Suite you had to be a married couple. Ha Ha. Since Tommy boy lives in the Oakland area, I guess Reno is the closest place in Nevada for him to be an official man and wife.
> >
> Well, yes. I was never married in the U.S. My first wife I married in
> Japan and the second I married in Thailand.
>
> But more to the point, I keep reading about all the freedom that y'all
> have back there, " "the land of the free and the home of the brave" as
> the song has it.
>
> And you even need a government license to marry?

Yes. Because the government, federal and state, write laws that only apply to people if they are married. Laws regarding inheritances and/or trusts are different if single or married. So you need the government to officially say you are married or not. Government issued marriage license. Kind of like driving. Whether you can actually drive or not is irrelevant. You just got to have one of the 50 states officially issue you a drivers license. Then you can drive anywhere in the USA. And many foreign countries too.. You got to have the government say you are married. Whether you love, like, hate the person you are married to is irrelevant. Whether you cheat on and steal from your spouse, irrelevant. Just got to have the government issued piece of paper. And because the USA is now a devil worshipping satanic cult controlled by Nazi Jews with space lasers, you do not even have to be married in a church anymore. Many different people can officially marry you in accordance with the government.

> And (I just looked it up) you have to pay as much as $93.50 to the
> Government for the license.
>
> And even more bizarre, if you simply "shack up" with a girl and she
> has a child she can apply for Aid to Unwed Mothers and the Government
> will pay her a salary.
> --
> Cheers,
>
> John B.

On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 19:52:33 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 8:08:55 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 17:34:07 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
>> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 5:58:54 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 08:43:38 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >The trip I took on Sunday was up to Reno via car rather than a bike ride, It was to take out a marriage license and remarry my ex-wife with whom we have been living together for the last six years.
>> >> >
>> >> >My brother and his fourth wife live in Reno and they have a new house under construction. That is being held up by not being able to get the lathe used for the plaster and lathe exterior.
>> >> >
>> >> >His latest wife was a nurse that ran the diabetes clinic and is extremely orderly so she had me make appointments for everything when I would normally have winged it. After all, Reno is the place where thousands of people do to get married. I had an appointment to get the marriage license at 3 pm but as usual my wife couldn't get ready until 1/2 hours after our expected start time. Then we had to stop at a Sonic hamburger place east of Sacramento she knew because it had clean bathrooms. We also bought a hamburger. They are pretty good since everything that goes into making them is fresh today. Nothing is ever frozen.
>> >> >
>> >> >Them when it appeared that we would be just on time the Maps App changed North 9th St. to South 9th St. and I couldn't find the damned building. Luckily my brother was there and finally talked us into the correct location. I sure as hell don't know why I needed an appointment since you could hear a pin drop in that building. The only ones there were two clerks and Ann and I. We then proceeded to the marriage chapel and were properly married for the second time. We had a hard time keeping straight faces since we'd already gone through the "or worse" part and survived it.
>> >> >
>> >> >On the way out there was another couple that had just been married that were older than Ann and I. The reverend told us that people were waiting to get married until they both received their social security these days because most people work and want their own income. If you are married before drawing SS you get less as a married couple.
>> >> >
>> >> >Brother Bob then took us down to his house under construction to show it off. One thing that stood out is that they now plumb these places with clear plastic water tubes rather than piping. It is my belief that this makes the water facets etc. silent in use. I have a dishwasher that is connected via a plastic tube and you can't hear it working unless you stand adjacent and listen hard.
>> >> >
>> >> >We then went out to dinner at a local high end restaurant. I had a bottle of Champaign that Ann had gotten as a present at some time. It was made in a winery in Livermore that is known for making barely so-so wine. But that was the best Champaign I hade ever drank. For company parties I used to buy very expensive Champaign so I did have plenty of comparisons. My brother the wine connoisseur said that winery was known for that great Champaign. Since I had ridden there many times on rides with friends I now know what to bring back.
>> >> >
>> >> >The next morning we attempted to fill up again but it was one of those places that you had to guess how much you needed and pay for it prior to pumping. Well, I guessed low since the price there was only a quarter less than in California.
>> >> >
>> >> >The trip home was uneventful other than the traffic which believes in driving 90 mph in 65 mph zones. I think that I'm going to look into suing California for everything they have. They are willing to seize your car and put you in jail overnight for having a blood alcohol level of 0.8 on the grounds that you are a public threat (most people can hardly even feel that much alcohol) but they are willing to do absolutely nothing about people driving 25 mph over the speed limit and now even trucks are driving 70 mph when the speed limit is 55. In the unusual case they arrest someone for drunk driving it is because they are speeding or weaving all over the road. So why not the people that are speeding and weaving all over the road without alcohol in their system? 3,600 people are killed each year from speeding and it is almost always signed off as drunk driving and not speeding and reckless driving.
>> >> >
>> >> >Arrived home and the cat was mad at me for leaving her alone for a day so she ignored me while purring up a storm for the wife.
>> >> >
>> >> >Funny thing, while getting the marriage license apparently you can legally change your name to something else. I considered changing mine to Frank Kragowski so that I could post conservative ideas under that name and lead Frank on to suicide.
>> >> Just out of curiosity and not to start an argument. Why Reno to get
>> >> married? Or to put it the other way, why not California?
>> >
>> >Have you been gone from the USA that long John? I am sure even when you were just a wee kid John, the laws in Vegas, and I presume all of Nevada, were instant marriage. Zero waiting period for marriage license from the state. Maybe an official marriage license from the state was not even necessary. Just have a preacher, shaman, voodoo doctor, medical doctor, insurance salesman, hotdog vendor, taxi driver, pronounce you man and wife. You could fly or drive into Vegas (Nevada too I presume) and get married right at the airport or at a shop along the strip and be newlyweds by the time you pulled into the hotel parking lot and booked the Honeymoon Suite. I am making up the assumption that to book the Honeymoon Suite you had to be a married couple. Ha Ha. Since Tommy boy lives in the Oakland area, I guess Reno is the closest place in Nevada for him to be an official man and wife.
>> >
>> Well, yes. I was never married in the U.S. My first wife I married in
>> Japan and the second I married in Thailand.
>>
>> But more to the point, I keep reading about all the freedom that y'all
>> have back there, " "the land of the free and the home of the brave" as
>> the song has it.
>>
>> And you even need a government license to marry?
>
>Yes. Because the government, federal and state, write laws that only apply to people if they are married. Laws regarding inheritances and/or trusts are different if single or married. So you need the government to officially say you are married or not. Government issued marriage license. Kind of like driving. Whether you can actually drive or not is irrelevant. You just got to have one of the 50 states officially issue you a drivers license. Then you can drive anywhere in the USA. And many foreign countries too. You got to have the government say you are married. Whether you love, like, hate the person you are married to is irrelevant. Whether you cheat on and steal from your spouse, irrelevant. Just got to have the government issued piece of paper. And because the USA is now a devil worshipping satanic cult controlled by Nazi Jews with space lasers, you do not even have to be married in a church anymore. Many different people can officially marry you in accordance
>with the government.
>

I am inclined to think your argument is incorrect.

Firstly "Marriage Licenses" were issued in the American Colonies in
the earliest days. I believe from 1741 the colony of North Carolina
took judicial control over marriages.

Earlier, the Church was, I believe the first to issue such a document,
by an English speaking country, in 1100-something.

The earliest references I can find was the publishing, or announcement
of, "Banns", the announcement that A and B planned to marry, by the
Church.

Funny, the Asian countries I've lived in don't require a "Marriage
Licence", per se, but do require you to register the marriage with the
government office and who furnish a certificate of marriage. And no
problems with trusts, inheritances, whatever. In fact a friend just
died. His wife told my wife that she simply took his bank book and the
government issued notification of his death to the bank and they gave
her his money.

Re Driver's Licenses. There is, or was, a law that Servicemen had some
period of time - perhaps one month - to apply for a state driver's
licence when they were transferred to a new base, and during that
period their "old" license was sufficient.

A bloke I knew had gotten a Thai driver's license while stationed in
Thailand and upon returning to the U.S. promptly got stopped by the
Cops and produced his Thai driver's license, which of course is all
written in Thai.

He said that there was much confusion and the Trooper even called
someone on his radio but they finally let him go with a warning to
"GET A LICRNSE!"
--
Cheers,

On 3/23/2022 9:52 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 8:08:55 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 17:34:07 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
>> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 5:58:54 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 08:43:38 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The trip I took on Sunday was up to Reno via car rather than a bike ride, It was to take out a marriage license and remarry my ex-wife with whom we have been living together for the last six years.
>>>>>
>>>>> My brother and his fourth wife live in Reno and they have a new house under construction. That is being held up by not being able to get the lathe used for the plaster and lathe exterior.
>>>>>
>>>>> His latest wife was a nurse that ran the diabetes clinic and is extremely orderly so she had me make appointments for everything when I would normally have winged it. After all, Reno is the place where thousands of people do to get married. I had an appointment to get the marriage license at 3 pm but as usual my wife couldn't get ready until 1/2 hours after our expected start time. Then we had to stop at a Sonic hamburger place east of Sacramento she knew because it had clean bathrooms. We also bought a hamburger. They are pretty good since everything that goes into making them is fresh today. Nothing is ever frozen.
>>>>>
>>>>> Them when it appeared that we would be just on time the Maps App changed North 9th St. to South 9th St. and I couldn't find the damned building. Luckily my brother was there and finally talked us into the correct location. I sure as hell don't know why I needed an appointment since you could hear a pin drop in that building. The only ones there were two clerks and Ann and I. We then proceeded to the marriage chapel and were properly married for the second time. We had a hard time keeping straight faces since we'd already gone through the "or worse" part and survived it.
>>>>>
>>>>> On the way out there was another couple that had just been married that were older than Ann and I. The reverend told us that people were waiting to get married until they both received their social security these days because most people work and want their own income. If you are married before drawing SS you get less as a married couple.
>>>>>
>>>>> Brother Bob then took us down to his house under construction to show it off. One thing that stood out is that they now plumb these places with clear plastic water tubes rather than piping. It is my belief that this makes the water facets etc. silent in use. I have a dishwasher that is connected via a plastic tube and you can't hear it working unless you stand adjacent and listen hard.
>>>>>
>>>>> We then went out to dinner at a local high end restaurant. I had a bottle of Champaign that Ann had gotten as a present at some time. It was made in a winery in Livermore that is known for making barely so-so wine. But that was the best Champaign I hade ever drank. For company parties I used to buy very expensive Champaign so I did have plenty of comparisons. My brother the wine connoisseur said that winery was known for that great Champaign. Since I had ridden there many times on rides with friends I now know what to bring back.
>>>>>
>>>>> The next morning we attempted to fill up again but it was one of those places that you had to guess how much you needed and pay for it prior to pumping. Well, I guessed low since the price there was only a quarter less than in California.
>>>>>
>>>>> The trip home was uneventful other than the traffic which believes in driving 90 mph in 65 mph zones. I think that I'm going to look into suing California for everything they have. They are willing to seize your car and put you in jail overnight for having a blood alcohol level of 0.8 on the grounds that you are a public threat (most people can hardly even feel that much alcohol) but they are willing to do absolutely nothing about people driving 25 mph over the speed limit and now even trucks are driving 70 mph when the speed limit is 55. In the unusual case they arrest someone for drunk driving it is because they are speeding or weaving all over the road. So why not the people that are speeding and weaving all over the road without alcohol in their system? 3,600 people are killed each year from speeding and it is almost always signed off as drunk driving and not speeding and reckless driving.
>>>>>
>>>>> Arrived home and the cat was mad at me for leaving her alone for a day so she ignored me while purring up a storm for the wife.
>>>>>
>>>>> Funny thing, while getting the marriage license apparently you can legally change your name to something else. I considered changing mine to Frank Kragowski so that I could post conservative ideas under that name and lead Frank on to suicide.
>>>> Just out of curiosity and not to start an argument. Why Reno to get
>>>> married? Or to put it the other way, why not California?
>>>
>>> Have you been gone from the USA that long John? I am sure even when you were just a wee kid John, the laws in Vegas, and I presume all of Nevada, were instant marriage. Zero waiting period for marriage license from the state. Maybe an official marriage license from the state was not even necessary. Just have a preacher, shaman, voodoo doctor, medical doctor, insurance salesman, hotdog vendor, taxi driver, pronounce you man and wife. You could fly or drive into Vegas (Nevada too I presume) and get married right at the airport or at a shop along the strip and be newlyweds by the time you pulled into the hotel parking lot and booked the Honeymoon Suite. I am making up the assumption that to book the Honeymoon Suite you had to be a married couple. Ha Ha. Since Tommy boy lives in the Oakland area, I guess Reno is the closest place in Nevada for him to be an official man and wife.
>>>
>> Well, yes. I was never married in the U.S. My first wife I married in
>> Japan and the second I married in Thailand.
>>
>> But more to the point, I keep reading about all the freedom that y'all
>> have back there, " "the land of the free and the home of the brave" as
>> the song has it.
>>
>> And you even need a government license to marry?
>
> Yes. Because the government, federal and state, write laws that only apply to people if they are married. Laws regarding inheritances and/or trusts are different if single or married. So you need the government to officially say you are married or not. Government issued marriage license. Kind of like driving. Whether you can actually drive or not is irrelevant. You just got to have one of the 50 states officially issue you a drivers license. Then you can drive anywhere in the USA. And many foreign countries too. You got to have the government say you are married. Whether you love, like, hate the person you are married to is irrelevant. Whether you cheat on and steal from your spouse, irrelevant. Just got to have the government issued piece of paper. And because the USA is now a devil worshipping satanic cult controlled by Nazi Jews with space lasers, you do not even have to be married in a church anymore. Many different people can officially marry you in accordance
with the government.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> And (I just looked it up) you have to pay as much as $93.50 to the
>> Government for the license.
>>
>> And even more bizarre, if you simply "shack up" with a girl and she
>> has a child she can apply for Aid to Unwed Mothers and the Government
>> will pay her a salary.
>> --
>> Cheers,
>>
>> John B.

Yes, that's right. The government interest derives from
making clear property rights and support of minor children.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 3/24/2022 12:29 AM, John B. wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 19:52:33 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
> <ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 8:08:55 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>>> On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 17:34:07 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
>>> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 5:58:54 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 08:43:38 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The trip I took on Sunday was up to Reno via car rather than a bike ride, It was to take out a marriage license and remarry my ex-wife with whom we have been living together for the last six years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My brother and his fourth wife live in Reno and they have a new house under construction. That is being held up by not being able to get the lathe used for the plaster and lathe exterior.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> His latest wife was a nurse that ran the diabetes clinic and is extremely orderly so she had me make appointments for everything when I would normally have winged it. After all, Reno is the place where thousands of people do to get married. I had an appointment to get the marriage license at 3 pm but as usual my wife couldn't get ready until 1/2 hours after our expected start time. Then we had to stop at a Sonic hamburger place east of Sacramento she knew because it had clean bathrooms. We also bought a hamburger. They are pretty good since everything that goes into making them is fresh today. Nothing is ever frozen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Them when it appeared that we would be just on time the Maps App changed North 9th St. to South 9th St. and I couldn't find the damned building. Luckily my brother was there and finally talked us into the correct location. I sure as hell don't know why I needed an appointment since you could hear a pin drop in that building. The only ones there were two clerks and Ann and I. We then proceeded to the marriage chapel and were properly married for the second time. We had a hard time keeping straight faces since we'd already gone through the "or worse" part and survived it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On the way out there was another couple that had just been married that were older than Ann and I. The reverend told us that people were waiting to get married until they both received their social security these days because most people work and want their own income. If you are married before drawing SS you get less as a married couple.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brother Bob then took us down to his house under construction to show it off. One thing that stood out is that they now plumb these places with clear plastic water tubes rather than piping. It is my belief that this makes the water facets etc. silent in use. I have a dishwasher that is connected via a plastic tube and you can't hear it working unless you stand adjacent and listen hard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We then went out to dinner at a local high end restaurant. I had a bottle of Champaign that Ann had gotten as a present at some time. It was made in a winery in Livermore that is known for making barely so-so wine. But that was the best Champaign I hade ever drank. For company parties I used to buy very expensive Champaign so I did have plenty of comparisons. My brother the wine connoisseur said that winery was known for that great Champaign. Since I had ridden there many times on rides with friends I now know what to bring back.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The next morning we attempted to fill up again but it was one of those places that you had to guess how much you needed and pay for it prior to pumping. Well, I guessed low since the price there was only a quarter less than in California.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The trip home was uneventful other than the traffic which believes in driving 90 mph in 65 mph zones. I think that I'm going to look into suing California for everything they have. They are willing to seize your car and put you in jail overnight for having a blood alcohol level of 0.8 on the grounds that you are a public threat (most people can hardly even feel that much alcohol) but they are willing to do absolutely nothing about people driving 25 mph over the speed limit and now even trucks are driving 70 mph when the speed limit is 55. In the unusual case they arrest someone for drunk driving it is because they are speeding or weaving all over the road. So why not the people that are speeding and weaving all over the road without alcohol in their system? 3,600 people are killed each year from speeding and it is almost always signed off as drunk driving and not speeding and reckless driving.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Arrived home and the cat was mad at me for leaving her alone for a day so she ignored me while purring up a storm for the wife.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Funny thing, while getting the marriage license apparently you can legally change your name to something else. I considered changing mine to Frank Kragowski so that I could post conservative ideas under that name and lead Frank on to suicide.
>>>>> Just out of curiosity and not to start an argument. Why Reno to get
>>>>> married? Or to put it the other way, why not California?
>>>>
>>>> Have you been gone from the USA that long John? I am sure even when you were just a wee kid John, the laws in Vegas, and I presume all of Nevada, were instant marriage. Zero waiting period for marriage license from the state. Maybe an official marriage license from the state was not even necessary. Just have a preacher, shaman, voodoo doctor, medical doctor, insurance salesman, hotdog vendor, taxi driver, pronounce you man and wife. You could fly or drive into Vegas (Nevada too I presume) and get married right at the airport or at a shop along the strip and be newlyweds by the time you pulled into the hotel parking lot and booked the Honeymoon Suite. I am making up the assumption that to book the Honeymoon Suite you had to be a married couple. Ha Ha. Since Tommy boy lives in the Oakland area, I guess Reno is the closest place in Nevada for him to be an official man and wife.
>>>>
>>> Well, yes. I was never married in the U.S. My first wife I married in
>>> Japan and the second I married in Thailand.
>>>
>>> But more to the point, I keep reading about all the freedom that y'all
>>> have back there, " "the land of the free and the home of the brave" as
>>> the song has it.
>>>
>>> And you even need a government license to marry?
>>
>> Yes. Because the government, federal and state, write laws that only apply to people if they are married. Laws regarding inheritances and/or trusts are different if single or married. So you need the government to officially say you are married or not. Government issued marriage license. Kind of like driving. Whether you can actually drive or not is irrelevant. You just got to have one of the 50 states officially issue you a drivers license. Then you can drive anywhere in the USA. And many foreign countries too. You got to have the government say you are married. Whether you love, like, hate the person you are married to is irrelevant. Whether you cheat on and steal from your spouse, irrelevant. Just got to have the government issued piece of paper. And because the USA is now a devil worshipping satanic cult controlled by Nazi Jews with space lasers, you do not even have to be married in a church anymore. Many different people can officially marry you in accordance

>> with the government.
>>
>
> I am inclined to think your argument is incorrect.
>
> Firstly "Marriage Licenses" were issued in the American Colonies in
> the earliest days. I believe from 1741 the colony of North Carolina
> took judicial control over marriages.
>
> Earlier, the Church was, I believe the first to issue such a document,
> by an English speaking country, in 1100-something.
>
> The earliest references I can find was the publishing, or announcement
> of, "Banns", the announcement that A and B planned to marry, by the
> Church.
>
> Funny, the Asian countries I've lived in don't require a "Marriage
> Licence", per se, but do require you to register the marriage with the
> government office and who furnish a certificate of marriage. And no
> problems with trusts, inheritances, whatever. In fact a friend just
> died. His wife told my wife that she simply took his bank book and the
> government issued notification of his death to the bank and they gave
> her his money.
>
> Re Driver's Licenses. There is, or was, a law that Servicemen had some
> period of time - perhaps one month - to apply for a state driver's
> licence when they were transferred to a new base, and during that
> period their "old" license was sufficient.
>
> A bloke I knew had gotten a Thai driver's license while stationed in
> Thailand and upon returning to the U.S. promptly got stopped by the
> Cops and produced his Thai driver's license, which of course is all
> written in Thai.
>
> He said that there was much confusion and the Trooper even called
> someone on his radio but they finally let him go with a warning to
> "GET A LICRNSE!"
>

On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 6:05:16 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 3/24/2022 12:29 AM, John B. wrote:
> > On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 19:52:33 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
> > <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 8:08:55 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 17:34:07 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
> >>> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 5:58:54 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> >>>>> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 08:43:38 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> The trip I took on Sunday was up to Reno via car rather than a bike ride, It was to take out a marriage license and remarry my ex-wife with whom we have been living together for the last six years.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> My brother and his fourth wife live in Reno and they have a new house under construction. That is being held up by not being able to get the lathe used for the plaster and lathe exterior.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> His latest wife was a nurse that ran the diabetes clinic and is extremely orderly so she had me make appointments for everything when I would normally have winged it. After all, Reno is the place where thousands of people do to get married. I had an appointment to get the marriage license at 3 pm but as usual my wife couldn't get ready until 1/2 hours after our expected start time. Then we had to stop at a Sonic hamburger place east of Sacramento she knew because it had clean bathrooms. We also bought a hamburger. They are pretty good since everything that goes into making them is fresh today. Nothing is ever frozen.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Them when it appeared that we would be just on time the Maps App changed North 9th St. to South 9th St. and I couldn't find the damned building. Luckily my brother was there and finally talked us into the correct location. I sure as hell don't know why I needed an appointment since you could hear a pin drop in that building. The only ones there were two clerks and Ann and I. We then proceeded to the marriage chapel and were properly married for the second time. We had a hard time keeping straight faces since we'd already gone through the "or worse" part and survived it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On the way out there was another couple that had just been married that were older than Ann and I. The reverend told us that people were waiting to get married until they both received their social security these days because most people work and want their own income. If you are married before drawing SS you get less as a married couple.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Brother Bob then took us down to his house under construction to show it off. One thing that stood out is that they now plumb these places with clear plastic water tubes rather than piping. It is my belief that this makes the water facets etc. silent in use. I have a dishwasher that is connected via a plastic tube and you can't hear it working unless you stand adjacent and listen hard.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> We then went out to dinner at a local high end restaurant. I had a bottle of Champaign that Ann had gotten as a present at some time. It was made in a winery in Livermore that is known for making barely so-so wine. But that was the best Champaign I hade ever drank. For company parties I used to buy very expensive Champaign so I did have plenty of comparisons. My brother the wine connoisseur said that winery was known for that great Champaign. Since I had ridden there many times on rides with friends I now know what to bring back.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The next morning we attempted to fill up again but it was one of those places that you had to guess how much you needed and pay for it prior to pumping. Well, I guessed low since the price there was only a quarter less than in California.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The trip home was uneventful other than the traffic which believes in driving 90 mph in 65 mph zones. I think that I'm going to look into suing California for everything they have. They are willing to seize your car and put you in jail overnight for having a blood alcohol level of 0.8 on the grounds that you are a public threat (most people can hardly even feel that much alcohol) but they are willing to do absolutely nothing about people driving 25 mph over the speed limit and now even trucks are driving 70 mph when the speed limit is 55. In the unusual case they arrest someone for drunk driving it is because they are speeding or weaving all over the road. So why not the people that are speeding and weaving all over the road without alcohol in their system? 3,600 people are killed each year from speeding and it is almost always signed off as drunk driving and not speeding and reckless driving.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Arrived home and the cat was mad at me for leaving her alone for a day so she ignored me while purring up a storm for the wife.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Funny thing, while getting the marriage license apparently you can legally change your name to something else. I considered changing mine to Frank Kragowski so that I could post conservative ideas under that name and lead Frank on to suicide.
> >>>>> Just out of curiosity and not to start an argument. Why Reno to get
> >>>>> married? Or to put it the other way, why not California?
> >>>>
> >>>> Have you been gone from the USA that long John? I am sure even when you were just a wee kid John, the laws in Vegas, and I presume all of Nevada, were instant marriage. Zero waiting period for marriage license from the state. Maybe an official marriage license from the state was not even necessary. Just have a preacher, shaman, voodoo doctor, medical doctor, insurance salesman, hotdog vendor, taxi driver, pronounce you man and wife. You could fly or drive into Vegas (Nevada too I presume) and get married right at the airport or at a shop along the strip and be newlyweds by the time you pulled into the hotel parking lot and booked the Honeymoon Suite. I am making up the assumption that to book the Honeymoon Suite you had to be a married couple. Ha Ha. Since Tommy boy lives in the Oakland area, I guess Reno is the closest place in Nevada for him to be an official man and wife.
> >>>>
> >>> Well, yes. I was never married in the U.S. My first wife I married in
> >>> Japan and the second I married in Thailand.
> >>>
> >>> But more to the point, I keep reading about all the freedom that y'all
> >>> have back there, " "the land of the free and the home of the brave" as
> >>> the song has it.
> >>>
> >>> And you even need a government license to marry?
> >>
> >> Yes. Because the government, federal and state, write laws that only apply to people if they are married. Laws regarding inheritances and/or trusts are different if single or married. So you need the government to officially say you are married or not. Government issued marriage license. Kind of like driving. Whether you can actually drive or not is irrelevant. You just got to have one of the 50 states officially issue you a drivers license. Then you can drive anywhere in the USA. And many foreign countries too. You got to have the government say you are married. Whether you love, like, hate the person you are married to is irrelevant. Whether you cheat on and steal from your spouse, irrelevant. Just got to have the government issued piece of paper. And because the USA is now a devil worshipping satanic cult controlled by Nazi Jews with space lasers, you do not even have to be married in a church anymore. Many different people can officially marry you in accordance
>
> >> with the government.
> >>
> >
> > I am inclined to think your argument is incorrect.
> >
> > Firstly "Marriage Licenses" were issued in the American Colonies in
> > the earliest days. I believe from 1741 the colony of North Carolina
> > took judicial control over marriages.
> >
> > Earlier, the Church was, I believe the first to issue such a document,
> > by an English speaking country, in 1100-something.
> >
> > The earliest references I can find was the publishing, or announcement
> > of, "Banns", the announcement that A and B planned to marry, by the
> > Church.
> >
> > Funny, the Asian countries I've lived in don't require a "Marriage
> > Licence", per se, but do require you to register the marriage with the
> > government office and who furnish a certificate of marriage. And no
> > problems with trusts, inheritances, whatever. In fact a friend just
> > died. His wife told my wife that she simply took his bank book and the
> > government issued notification of his death to the bank and they gave
> > her his money.
> >
> > Re Driver's Licenses. There is, or was, a law that Servicemen had some
> > period of time - perhaps one month - to apply for a state driver's
> > licence when they were transferred to a new base, and during that
> > period their "old" license was sufficient.
> >
> > A bloke I knew had gotten a Thai driver's license while stationed in
> > Thailand and upon returning to the U.S. promptly got stopped by the
> > Cops and produced his Thai driver's license, which of course is all
> > written in Thai.
> >
> > He said that there was much confusion and the Trooper even called
> > someone on his radio but they finally let him go with a warning to
> > "GET A LICRNSE!"
> >
> Yes, the societal interest in making marriage contracts
> public is ancient. Tribal custom, then public church
> ceremonies then government licenses are minor differences in
> establishing property rights and defining whose children are
> whose.

On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 12:29:41 AM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 19:52:33 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 8:08:55 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> >> On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 17:34:07 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
> >> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 5:58:54 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> >> >> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 08:43:38 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >The trip I took on Sunday was up to Reno via car rather than a bike ride, It was to take out a marriage license and remarry my ex-wife with whom we have been living together for the last six years.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >My brother and his fourth wife live in Reno and they have a new house under construction. That is being held up by not being able to get the lathe used for the plaster and lathe exterior.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >His latest wife was a nurse that ran the diabetes clinic and is extremely orderly so she had me make appointments for everything when I would normally have winged it. After all, Reno is the place where thousands of people do to get married. I had an appointment to get the marriage license at 3 pm but as usual my wife couldn't get ready until 1/2 hours after our expected start time. Then we had to stop at a Sonic hamburger place east of Sacramento she knew because it had clean bathrooms. We also bought a hamburger. They are pretty good since everything that goes into making them is fresh today. Nothing is ever frozen.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Them when it appeared that we would be just on time the Maps App changed North 9th St. to South 9th St. and I couldn't find the damned building. Luckily my brother was there and finally talked us into the correct location. I sure as hell don't know why I needed an appointment since you could hear a pin drop in that building. The only ones there were two clerks and Ann and I. We then proceeded to the marriage chapel and were properly married for the second time. We had a hard time keeping straight faces since we'd already gone through the "or worse" part and survived it.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >On the way out there was another couple that had just been married that were older than Ann and I. The reverend told us that people were waiting to get married until they both received their social security these days because most people work and want their own income. If you are married before drawing SS you get less as a married couple.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Brother Bob then took us down to his house under construction to show it off. One thing that stood out is that they now plumb these places with clear plastic water tubes rather than piping. It is my belief that this makes the water facets etc. silent in use. I have a dishwasher that is connected via a plastic tube and you can't hear it working unless you stand adjacent and listen hard.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >We then went out to dinner at a local high end restaurant. I had a bottle of Champaign that Ann had gotten as a present at some time. It was made in a winery in Livermore that is known for making barely so-so wine. But that was the best Champaign I hade ever drank. For company parties I used to buy very expensive Champaign so I did have plenty of comparisons. My brother the wine connoisseur said that winery was known for that great Champaign. Since I had ridden there many times on rides with friends I now know what to bring back.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >The next morning we attempted to fill up again but it was one of those places that you had to guess how much you needed and pay for it prior to pumping. Well, I guessed low since the price there was only a quarter less than in California.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >The trip home was uneventful other than the traffic which believes in driving 90 mph in 65 mph zones. I think that I'm going to look into suing California for everything they have. They are willing to seize your car and put you in jail overnight for having a blood alcohol level of 0.8 on the grounds that you are a public threat (most people can hardly even feel that much alcohol) but they are willing to do absolutely nothing about people driving 25 mph over the speed limit and now even trucks are driving 70 mph when the speed limit is 55. In the unusual case they arrest someone for drunk driving it is because they are speeding or weaving all over the road. So why not the people that are speeding and weaving all over the road without alcohol in their system? 3,600 people are killed each year from speeding and it is almost always signed off as drunk driving and not speeding and reckless driving.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Arrived home and the cat was mad at me for leaving her alone for a day so she ignored me while purring up a storm for the wife.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Funny thing, while getting the marriage license apparently you can legally change your name to something else. I considered changing mine to Frank Kragowski so that I could post conservative ideas under that name and lead Frank on to suicide.
> >> >> Just out of curiosity and not to start an argument. Why Reno to get
> >> >> married? Or to put it the other way, why not California?
> >> >
> >> >Have you been gone from the USA that long John? I am sure even when you were just a wee kid John, the laws in Vegas, and I presume all of Nevada, were instant marriage. Zero waiting period for marriage license from the state. Maybe an official marriage license from the state was not even necessary. Just have a preacher, shaman, voodoo doctor, medical doctor, insurance salesman, hotdog vendor, taxi driver, pronounce you man and wife. You could fly or drive into Vegas (Nevada too I presume) and get married right at the airport or at a shop along the strip and be newlyweds by the time you pulled into the hotel parking lot and booked the Honeymoon Suite. I am making up the assumption that to book the Honeymoon Suite you had to be a married couple. Ha Ha. Since Tommy boy lives in the Oakland area, I guess Reno is the closest place in Nevada for him to be an official man and wife.
> >> >
> >> Well, yes. I was never married in the U.S. My first wife I married in
> >> Japan and the second I married in Thailand.
> >>
> >> But more to the point, I keep reading about all the freedom that y'all
> >> have back there, " "the land of the free and the home of the brave" as
> >> the song has it.
> >>
> >> And you even need a government license to marry?
> >
> >Yes. Because the government, federal and state, write laws that only apply to people if they are married. Laws regarding inheritances and/or trusts are different if single or married. So you need the government to officially say you are married or not. Government issued marriage license. Kind of like driving. Whether you can actually drive or not is irrelevant. You just got to have one of the 50 states officially issue you a drivers license. Then you can drive anywhere in the USA. And many foreign countries too. You got to have the government say you are married. Whether you love, like, hate the person you are married to is irrelevant. Whether you cheat on and steal from your spouse, irrelevant. Just got to have the government issued piece of paper. And because the USA is now a devil worshipping satanic cult controlled by Nazi Jews with space lasers, you do not even have to be married in a church anymore. Many different people can officially marry you in accordance
> >with the government.
> >
> I am inclined to think your argument is incorrect.
>
> Firstly "Marriage Licenses" were issued in the American Colonies in
> the earliest days. I believe from 1741 the colony of North Carolina
> took judicial control over marriages.

John, are you aware the country of Great Britain, United Kingdom, England, however you want to say it, has an OFFICIAL religion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_England

Church of England. Good name for the official church of England. Nice and succinct. And you may or may not be aware that the USA colonies before 1776 were colonies of England. England was their mother so to speak. I do not know exactly how England ran its marriages back in 1741, whether they had to be church approved or not. But if so, it seems kind of logical for England's colonies, which also had the Church of England as their official church, would do the same thing as done in England. So if Church of England was the official church of England and all its colonies, having the states/colonies/government do this work is logical. They are the same thing essentially.

But here in the USA, after 1776, we had to separate the church and government. So marriage ceremonies are performed in churches. Or before a judge. Or in a kiosk at the Las Vegas airport. And the government issues a license for legal reasons. As Andy said property rights. I said inheritance. Which is property too.

On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 07:47:38 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 3/23/2022 9:52 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
>> On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 8:08:55 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>>> On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 17:34:07 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
>>> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 5:58:54 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 08:43:38 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The trip I took on Sunday was up to Reno via car rather than a bike ride, It was to take out a marriage license and remarry my ex-wife with whom we have been living together for the last six years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My brother and his fourth wife live in Reno and they have a new house under construction. That is being held up by not being able to get the lathe used for the plaster and lathe exterior.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> His latest wife was a nurse that ran the diabetes clinic and is extremely orderly so she had me make appointments for everything when I would normally have winged it. After all, Reno is the place where thousands of people do to get married. I had an appointment to get the marriage license at 3 pm but as usual my wife couldn't get ready until 1/2 hours after our expected start time. Then we had to stop at a Sonic hamburger place east of Sacramento she knew because it had clean bathrooms. We also bought a hamburger. They are pretty good since everything that goes into making them is fresh today. Nothing is ever frozen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Them when it appeared that we would be just on time the Maps App changed North 9th St. to South 9th St. and I couldn't find the damned building. Luckily my brother was there and finally talked us into the correct location. I sure as hell don't know why I needed an appointment since you could hear a pin drop in that building. The only ones there were two clerks and Ann and I. We then proceeded to the marriage chapel and were properly married for the second time. We had a hard time keeping straight faces since we'd already gone through the "or worse" part and survived it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On the way out there was another couple that had just been married that were older than Ann and I. The reverend told us that people were waiting to get married until they both received their social security these days because most people work and want their own income. If you are married before drawing SS you get less as a married couple.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brother Bob then took us down to his house under construction to show it off. One thing that stood out is that they now plumb these places with clear plastic water tubes rather than piping. It is my belief that this makes the water facets etc. silent in use. I have a dishwasher that is connected via a plastic tube and you can't hear it working unless you stand adjacent and listen hard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We then went out to dinner at a local high end restaurant. I had a bottle of Champaign that Ann had gotten as a present at some time. It was made in a winery in Livermore that is known for making barely so-so wine. But that was the best Champaign I hade ever drank. For company parties I used to buy very expensive Champaign so I did have plenty of comparisons. My brother the wine connoisseur said that winery was known for that great Champaign. Since I had ridden there many times on rides with friends I now know what to bring back.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The next morning we attempted to fill up again but it was one of those places that you had to guess how much you needed and pay for it prior to pumping. Well, I guessed low since the price there was only a quarter less than in California.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The trip home was uneventful other than the traffic which believes in driving 90 mph in 65 mph zones. I think that I'm going to look into suing California for everything they have. They are willing to seize your car and put you in jail overnight for having a blood alcohol level of 0.8 on the grounds that you are a public threat (most people can hardly even feel that much alcohol) but they are willing to do absolutely nothing about people driving 25 mph over the speed limit and now even trucks are driving 70 mph when the speed limit is 55. In the unusual case they arrest someone for drunk driving it is because they are speeding or weaving all over the road. So why not the people that are speeding and weaving all over the road without alcohol in their system? 3,600 people are killed each year from speeding and it is almost always signed off as drunk driving and not speeding and reckless driving.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Arrived home and the cat was mad at me for leaving her alone for a day so she ignored me while purring up a storm for the wife.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Funny thing, while getting the marriage license apparently you can legally change your name to something else. I considered changing mine to Frank Kragowski so that I could post conservative ideas under that name and lead Frank on to suicide.
>>>>> Just out of curiosity and not to start an argument. Why Reno to get
>>>>> married? Or to put it the other way, why not California?
>>>>
>>>> Have you been gone from the USA that long John? I am sure even when you were just a wee kid John, the laws in Vegas, and I presume all of Nevada, were instant marriage. Zero waiting period for marriage license from the state. Maybe an official marriage license from the state was not even necessary. Just have a preacher, shaman, voodoo doctor, medical doctor, insurance salesman, hotdog vendor, taxi driver, pronounce you man and wife. You could fly or drive into Vegas (Nevada too I presume) and get married right at the airport or at a shop along the strip and be newlyweds by the time you pulled into the hotel parking lot and booked the Honeymoon Suite. I am making up the assumption that to book the Honeymoon Suite you had to be a married couple. Ha Ha. Since Tommy boy lives in the Oakland area, I guess Reno is the closest place in Nevada for him to be an official man and wife.
>>>>
>>> Well, yes. I was never married in the U.S. My first wife I married in
>>> Japan and the second I married in Thailand.
>>>
>>> But more to the point, I keep reading about all the freedom that y'all
>>> have back there, " "the land of the free and the home of the brave" as
>>> the song has it.
>>>
>>> And you even need a government license to marry?
>>
>> Yes. Because the government, federal and state, write laws that only apply to people if they are married. Laws regarding inheritances and/or trusts are different if single or married. So you need the government to officially say you are married or not. Government issued marriage license. Kind of like driving. Whether you can actually drive or not is irrelevant. You just got to have one of the 50 states officially issue you a drivers license. Then you can drive anywhere in the USA. And many foreign countries too. You got to have the government say you are married. Whether you love, like, hate the person you are married to is irrelevant. Whether you cheat on and steal from your spouse, irrelevant. Just got to have the government issued piece of paper. And because the USA is now a devil worshipping satanic cult controlled by Nazi Jews with space lasers, you do not even have to be married in a church anymore. Many different people can officially marry you in accordance
>with the government.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> And (I just looked it up) you have to pay as much as $93.50 to the
>>> Government for the license.
>>>
>>> And even more bizarre, if you simply "shack up" with a girl and she
>>> has a child she can apply for Aid to Unwed Mothers and the Government
>>> will pay her a salary.
>>> --
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> John B.
>
>Yes, that's right. The government interest derives from
>making clear property rights and support of minor children.

Really?

I ask as the first government requirement for a "license" dates to
several years before the 1775 war and the requirement for church
approval predates that. In England the requirement seems to date back
to at least the 16th or 17th century.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 6:16:22 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 07:47:38 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >Yes, that's right. The government interest derives from
> >making clear property rights and support of minor children.
> Really?
>
> I ask as the first government requirement for a "license" dates to
> several years before the 1775 war and the requirement for church
> approval predates that. In England the requirement seems to date back
> to at least the 16th or 17th century.
> --
> Cheers,
>
> John B.

My history is probably lacking, but it seems to me that in the 1700s or a tiny bit earlier, the civilized, industrial world, meaning Europe, became more law based and a little less on monarchs and dynasties. Written laws decided by a legislature. So the need for property rights instituted by marriage. Whereas before, the law was just the law of the land. Or the way its always been done. Tradition. Edict by the local priest. Such as when a man dies, everything goes to the first born son. Or to the dead man's brother. The widow was delegated to the next unmarried brother of the dead husband. Children were delegated to the dead man's sisters and brothers. That is the way it was done. No laws. No wife inheriting property. No wife keeping the farm and children. No wife owning the local pub or sawmill or grain mill. But then them damned intrusive governments butted in and made up laws to give the wife property. How Terrible!!!!!!! So we needed the government to officially say the wife was married to the man.

On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 08:05:08 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 3/24/2022 12:29 AM, John B. wrote:
>> On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 19:52:33 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
>> <ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 8:08:55 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 17:34:07 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
>>>> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 5:58:54 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 08:43:38 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The trip I took on Sunday was up to Reno via car rather than a bike ride, It was to take out a marriage license and remarry my ex-wife with whom we have been living together for the last six years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My brother and his fourth wife live in Reno and they have a new house under construction. That is being held up by not being able to get the lathe used for the plaster and lathe exterior.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> His latest wife was a nurse that ran the diabetes clinic and is extremely orderly so she had me make appointments for everything when I would normally have winged it. After all, Reno is the place where thousands of people do to get married. I had an appointment to get the marriage license at 3 pm but as usual my wife couldn't get ready until 1/2 hours after our expected start time. Then we had to stop at a Sonic hamburger place east of Sacramento she knew because it had clean bathrooms. We also bought a hamburger. They are pretty good since everything that goes into making them is fresh today. Nothing is ever frozen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Them when it appeared that we would be just on time the Maps App changed North 9th St. to South 9th St. and I couldn't find the damned building. Luckily my brother was there and finally talked us into the correct location. I sure as hell don't know why I needed an appointment since you could hear a pin drop in that building. The only ones there were two clerks and Ann and I. We then proceeded to the marriage chapel and were properly married for the second time. We had a hard time keeping straight faces since we'd already gone through the "or worse" part and survived it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On the way out there was another couple that had just been married that were older than Ann and I. The reverend told us that people were waiting to get married until they both received their social security these days because most people work and want their own income. If you are married before drawing SS you get less as a married couple.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brother Bob then took us down to his house under construction to show it off. One thing that stood out is that they now plumb these places with clear plastic water tubes rather than piping. It is my belief that this makes the water facets etc. silent in use. I have a dishwasher that is connected via a plastic tube and you can't hear it working unless you stand adjacent and listen hard.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We then went out to dinner at a local high end restaurant. I had a bottle of Champaign that Ann had gotten as a present at some time. It was made in a winery in Livermore that is known for making barely so-so wine. But that was the best Champaign I hade ever drank. For company parties I used to buy very expensive Champaign so I did have plenty of comparisons. My brother the wine connoisseur said that winery was known for that great Champaign. Since I had ridden there many times on rides with friends I now know what to bring back.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The next morning we attempted to fill up again but it was one of those places that you had to guess how much you needed and pay for it prior to pumping. Well, I guessed low since the price there was only a quarter less than in California.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The trip home was uneventful other than the traffic which believes in driving 90 mph in 65 mph zones. I think that I'm going to look into suing California for everything they have. They are willing to seize your car and put you in jail overnight for having a blood alcohol level of 0.8 on the grounds that you are a public threat (most people can hardly even feel that much alcohol) but they are willing to do absolutely nothing about people driving 25 mph over the speed limit and now even trucks are driving 70 mph when the speed limit is 55. In the unusual case they arrest someone for drunk driving it is because they are speeding or weaving all over the road. So why not the people that are speeding and weaving all over the road without alcohol in their system? 3,600 people are killed each year from speeding and it is almost always signed off as drunk driving and not speeding and reckless driving.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Arrived home and the cat was mad at me for leaving her alone for a day so she ignored me while purring up a storm for the wife.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Funny thing, while getting the marriage license apparently you can legally change your name to something else. I considered changing mine to Frank Kragowski so that I could post conservative ideas under that name and lead Frank on to suicide.
>>>>>> Just out of curiosity and not to start an argument. Why Reno to get
>>>>>> married? Or to put it the other way, why not California?
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you been gone from the USA that long John? I am sure even when you were just a wee kid John, the laws in Vegas, and I presume all of Nevada, were instant marriage. Zero waiting period for marriage license from the state. Maybe an official marriage license from the state was not even necessary. Just have a preacher, shaman, voodoo doctor, medical doctor, insurance salesman, hotdog vendor, taxi driver, pronounce you man and wife. You could fly or drive into Vegas (Nevada too I presume) and get married right at the airport or at a shop along the strip and be newlyweds by the time you pulled into the hotel parking lot and booked the Honeymoon Suite. I am making up the assumption that to book the Honeymoon Suite you had to be a married couple. Ha Ha. Since Tommy boy lives in the Oakland area, I guess Reno is the closest place in Nevada for him to be an official man and wife.
>>>>>
>>>> Well, yes. I was never married in the U.S. My first wife I married in
>>>> Japan and the second I married in Thailand.
>>>>
>>>> But more to the point, I keep reading about all the freedom that y'all
>>>> have back there, " "the land of the free and the home of the brave" as
>>>> the song has it.
>>>>
>>>> And you even need a government license to marry?
>>>
>>> Yes. Because the government, federal and state, write laws that only apply to people if they are married. Laws regarding inheritances and/or trusts are different if single or married. So you need the government to officially say you are married or not. Government issued marriage license. Kind of like driving. Whether you can actually drive or not is irrelevant. You just got to have one of the 50 states officially issue you a drivers license. Then you can drive anywhere in the USA. And many foreign countries too. You got to have the government say you are married. Whether you love, like, hate the person you are married to is irrelevant. Whether you cheat on and steal from your spouse, irrelevant. Just got to have the government issued piece of paper. And because the USA is now a devil worshipping satanic cult controlled by Nazi Jews with space lasers, you do not even have to be married in a church anymore. Many different people can officially marry you in accordance
>
>>> with the government.
>>>
>>
>> I am inclined to think your argument is incorrect.
>>
>> Firstly "Marriage Licenses" were issued in the American Colonies in
>> the earliest days. I believe from 1741 the colony of North Carolina
>> took judicial control over marriages.
>>
>> Earlier, the Church was, I believe the first to issue such a document,
>> by an English speaking country, in 1100-something.
>>
>> The earliest references I can find was the publishing, or announcement
>> of, "Banns", the announcement that A and B planned to marry, by the
>> Church.
>>
>> Funny, the Asian countries I've lived in don't require a "Marriage
>> Licence", per se, but do require you to register the marriage with the
>> government office and who furnish a certificate of marriage. And no
>> problems with trusts, inheritances, whatever. In fact a friend just
>> died. His wife told my wife that she simply took his bank book and the
>> government issued notification of his death to the bank and they gave
>> her his money.
>>
>> Re Driver's Licenses. There is, or was, a law that Servicemen had some
>> period of time - perhaps one month - to apply for a state driver's
>> licence when they were transferred to a new base, and during that
>> period their "old" license was sufficient.
>>
>> A bloke I knew had gotten a Thai driver's license while stationed in
>> Thailand and upon returning to the U.S. promptly got stopped by the
>> Cops and produced his Thai driver's license, which of course is all
>> written in Thai.
>>
>> He said that there was much confusion and the Trooper even called
>> someone on his radio but they finally let him go with a warning to
>> "GET A LICRNSE!"
>>
>
>Yes, the societal interest in making marriage contracts
>public is ancient. Tribal custom, then public church
>ceremonies then government licenses are minor differences in
>establishing property rights and defining whose children are
>whose.

On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 7:40:21 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 08:05:08 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
> >On 3/24/2022 12:29 AM, John B. wrote:
> >> On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 19:52:33 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
> >> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 8:08:55 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> >>>> On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 17:34:07 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
> >>>> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 5:58:54 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> >>>>>> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 08:43:38 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >>>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The trip I took on Sunday was up to Reno via car rather than a bike ride, It was to take out a marriage license and remarry my ex-wife with whom we have been living together for the last six years.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> My brother and his fourth wife live in Reno and they have a new house under construction. That is being held up by not being able to get the lathe used for the plaster and lathe exterior.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> His latest wife was a nurse that ran the diabetes clinic and is extremely orderly so she had me make appointments for everything when I would normally have winged it. After all, Reno is the place where thousands of people do to get married. I had an appointment to get the marriage license at 3 pm but as usual my wife couldn't get ready until 1/2 hours after our expected start time. Then we had to stop at a Sonic hamburger place east of Sacramento she knew because it had clean bathrooms. We also bought a hamburger. They are pretty good since everything that goes into making them is fresh today. Nothing is ever frozen.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Them when it appeared that we would be just on time the Maps App changed North 9th St. to South 9th St. and I couldn't find the damned building. Luckily my brother was there and finally talked us into the correct location. I sure as hell don't know why I needed an appointment since you could hear a pin drop in that building. The only ones there were two clerks and Ann and I. We then proceeded to the marriage chapel and were properly married for the second time. We had a hard time keeping straight faces since we'd already gone through the "or worse" part and survived it.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On the way out there was another couple that had just been married that were older than Ann and I. The reverend told us that people were waiting to get married until they both received their social security these days because most people work and want their own income. If you are married before drawing SS you get less as a married couple.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Brother Bob then took us down to his house under construction to show it off. One thing that stood out is that they now plumb these places with clear plastic water tubes rather than piping. It is my belief that this makes the water facets etc. silent in use. I have a dishwasher that is connected via a plastic tube and you can't hear it working unless you stand adjacent and listen hard.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> We then went out to dinner at a local high end restaurant. I had a bottle of Champaign that Ann had gotten as a present at some time. It was made in a winery in Livermore that is known for making barely so-so wine. But that was the best Champaign I hade ever drank. For company parties I used to buy very expensive Champaign so I did have plenty of comparisons. My brother the wine connoisseur said that winery was known for that great Champaign. Since I had ridden there many times on rides with friends I now know what to bring back.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The next morning we attempted to fill up again but it was one of those places that you had to guess how much you needed and pay for it prior to pumping. Well, I guessed low since the price there was only a quarter less than in California.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The trip home was uneventful other than the traffic which believes in driving 90 mph in 65 mph zones. I think that I'm going to look into suing California for everything they have. They are willing to seize your car and put you in jail overnight for having a blood alcohol level of 0.8 on the grounds that you are a public threat (most people can hardly even feel that much alcohol) but they are willing to do absolutely nothing about people driving 25 mph over the speed limit and now even trucks are driving 70 mph when the speed limit is 55. In the unusual case they arrest someone for drunk driving it is because they are speeding or weaving all over the road. So why not the people that are speeding and weaving all over the road without alcohol in their system? 3,600 people are killed each year from speeding and it is almost always signed off as drunk driving and not speeding and reckless driving.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Arrived home and the cat was mad at me for leaving her alone for a day so she ignored me while purring up a storm for the wife.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Funny thing, while getting the marriage license apparently you can legally change your name to something else. I considered changing mine to Frank Kragowski so that I could post conservative ideas under that name and lead Frank on to suicide.
> >>>>>> Just out of curiosity and not to start an argument. Why Reno to get
> >>>>>> married? Or to put it the other way, why not California?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Have you been gone from the USA that long John? I am sure even when you were just a wee kid John, the laws in Vegas, and I presume all of Nevada, were instant marriage. Zero waiting period for marriage license from the state. Maybe an official marriage license from the state was not even necessary. Just have a preacher, shaman, voodoo doctor, medical doctor, insurance salesman, hotdog vendor, taxi driver, pronounce you man and wife. You could fly or drive into Vegas (Nevada too I presume) and get married right at the airport or at a shop along the strip and be newlyweds by the time you pulled into the hotel parking lot and booked the Honeymoon Suite. I am making up the assumption that to book the Honeymoon Suite you had to be a married couple. Ha Ha. Since Tommy boy lives in the Oakland area, I guess Reno is the closest place in Nevada for him to be an official man and wife.
> >>>>>
> >>>> Well, yes. I was never married in the U.S. My first wife I married in
> >>>> Japan and the second I married in Thailand.
> >>>>
> >>>> But more to the point, I keep reading about all the freedom that y'all
> >>>> have back there, " "the land of the free and the home of the brave" as
> >>>> the song has it.
> >>>>
> >>>> And you even need a government license to marry?
> >>>
> >>> Yes. Because the government, federal and state, write laws that only apply to people if they are married. Laws regarding inheritances and/or trusts are different if single or married. So you need the government to officially say you are married or not. Government issued marriage license. Kind of like driving. Whether you can actually drive or not is irrelevant. You just got to have one of the 50 states officially issue you a drivers license.. Then you can drive anywhere in the USA. And many foreign countries too. You got to have the government say you are married. Whether you love, like, hate the person you are married to is irrelevant. Whether you cheat on and steal from your spouse, irrelevant. Just got to have the government issued piece of paper. And because the USA is now a devil worshipping satanic cult controlled by Nazi Jews with space lasers, you do not even have to be married in a church anymore. Many different people can officially marry you in accordance
> >
> >>> with the government.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I am inclined to think your argument is incorrect.
> >>
> >> Firstly "Marriage Licenses" were issued in the American Colonies in
> >> the earliest days. I believe from 1741 the colony of North Carolina
> >> took judicial control over marriages.
> >>
> >> Earlier, the Church was, I believe the first to issue such a document,
> >> by an English speaking country, in 1100-something.
> >>
> >> The earliest references I can find was the publishing, or announcement
> >> of, "Banns", the announcement that A and B planned to marry, by the
> >> Church.
> >>
> >> Funny, the Asian countries I've lived in don't require a "Marriage
> >> Licence", per se, but do require you to register the marriage with the
> >> government office and who furnish a certificate of marriage. And no
> >> problems with trusts, inheritances, whatever. In fact a friend just
> >> died. His wife told my wife that she simply took his bank book and the
> >> government issued notification of his death to the bank and they gave
> >> her his money.
> >>
> >> Re Driver's Licenses. There is, or was, a law that Servicemen had some
> >> period of time - perhaps one month - to apply for a state driver's
> >> licence when they were transferred to a new base, and during that
> >> period their "old" license was sufficient.
> >>
> >> A bloke I knew had gotten a Thai driver's license while stationed in
> >> Thailand and upon returning to the U.S. promptly got stopped by the
> >> Cops and produced his Thai driver's license, which of course is all
> >> written in Thai.
> >>
> >> He said that there was much confusion and the Trooper even called
> >> someone on his radio but they finally let him go with a warning to
> >> "GET A LICRNSE!"
> >>
> >
> >Yes, the societal interest in making marriage contracts
> >public is ancient. Tribal custom, then public church
> >ceremonies then government licenses are minor differences in
> >establishing property rights and defining whose children are
> >whose.
> Well, I'm not too sure about that last little bit as I read
> https://tinyurl.com/5n7cnas9
> that 77.3% of births to Blacks are "single parent births" which seems
> to be the current socially correct term for illegitimate births (which
> used to be termed "bastards") and among the Hispanic folks the number
> is 56.9% while the White fellows are trailing the pack with a miserly
> 30%.
> --
> Cheers,
>
> John B.

On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 15:15:32 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 12:29:41 AM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 19:52:33 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
>> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 8:08:55 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 17:34:07 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
>> >> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 5:58:54 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> >> >> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 08:43:38 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> >> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >The trip I took on Sunday was up to Reno via car rather than a bike ride, It was to take out a marriage license and remarry my ex-wife with whom we have been living together for the last six years.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >My brother and his fourth wife live in Reno and they have a new house under construction. That is being held up by not being able to get the lathe used for the plaster and lathe exterior.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >His latest wife was a nurse that ran the diabetes clinic and is extremely orderly so she had me make appointments for everything when I would normally have winged it. After all, Reno is the place where thousands of people do to get married. I had an appointment to get the marriage license at 3 pm but as usual my wife couldn't get ready until 1/2 hours after our expected start time. Then we had to stop at a Sonic hamburger place east of Sacramento she knew because it had clean bathrooms. We also bought a hamburger. They are pretty good since everything that goes into making them is fresh today. Nothing is ever frozen.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Them when it appeared that we would be just on time the Maps App changed North 9th St. to South 9th St. and I couldn't find the damned building. Luckily my brother was there and finally talked us into the correct location. I sure as hell don't know why I needed an appointment since you could hear a pin drop in that building. The only ones there were two clerks and Ann and I. We then proceeded to the marriage chapel and were properly married for the second time. We had a hard time keeping straight faces since we'd already gone through the "or worse" part and survived it.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >On the way out there was another couple that had just been married that were older than Ann and I. The reverend told us that people were waiting to get married until they both received their social security these days because most people work and want their own income. If you are married before drawing SS you get less as a married couple.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Brother Bob then took us down to his house under construction to show it off. One thing that stood out is that they now plumb these places with clear plastic water tubes rather than piping. It is my belief that this makes the water facets etc. silent in use. I have a dishwasher that is connected via a plastic tube and you can't hear it working unless you stand adjacent and listen hard.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >We then went out to dinner at a local high end restaurant. I had a bottle of Champaign that Ann had gotten as a present at some time. It was made in a winery in Livermore that is known for making barely so-so wine. But that was the best Champaign I hade ever drank. For company parties I used to buy very expensive Champaign so I did have plenty of comparisons. My brother the wine connoisseur said that winery was known for that great Champaign. Since I had ridden there many times on rides with friends I now know what to bring back.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >The next morning we attempted to fill up again but it was one of those places that you had to guess how much you needed and pay for it prior to pumping. Well, I guessed low since the price there was only a quarter less than in California.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >The trip home was uneventful other than the traffic which believes in driving 90 mph in 65 mph zones. I think that I'm going to look into suing California for everything they have. They are willing to seize your car and put you in jail overnight for having a blood alcohol level of 0.8 on the grounds that you are a public threat (most people can hardly even feel that much alcohol) but they are willing to do absolutely nothing about people driving 25 mph over the speed limit and now even trucks are driving 70 mph when the speed limit is 55. In the unusual case they arrest someone for drunk driving it is because they are speeding or weaving all over the road. So why not the people that are speeding and weaving all over the road without alcohol in their system? 3,600 people are killed each year from speeding and it is almost always signed off as drunk driving and not speeding and reckless driving.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Arrived home and the cat was mad at me for leaving her alone for a day so she ignored me while purring up a storm for the wife.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Funny thing, while getting the marriage license apparently you can legally change your name to something else. I considered changing mine to Frank Kragowski so that I could post conservative ideas under that name and lead Frank on to suicide.
>> >> >> Just out of curiosity and not to start an argument. Why Reno to get
>> >> >> married? Or to put it the other way, why not California?
>> >> >
>> >> >Have you been gone from the USA that long John? I am sure even when you were just a wee kid John, the laws in Vegas, and I presume all of Nevada, were instant marriage. Zero waiting period for marriage license from the state. Maybe an official marriage license from the state was not even necessary. Just have a preacher, shaman, voodoo doctor, medical doctor, insurance salesman, hotdog vendor, taxi driver, pronounce you man and wife. You could fly or drive into Vegas (Nevada too I presume) and get married right at the airport or at a shop along the strip and be newlyweds by the time you pulled into the hotel parking lot and booked the Honeymoon Suite. I am making up the assumption that to book the Honeymoon Suite you had to be a married couple. Ha Ha. Since Tommy boy lives in the Oakland area, I guess Reno is the closest place in Nevada for him to be an official man and wife.
>> >> >
>> >> Well, yes. I was never married in the U.S. My first wife I married in
>> >> Japan and the second I married in Thailand.
>> >>
>> >> But more to the point, I keep reading about all the freedom that y'all
>> >> have back there, " "the land of the free and the home of the brave" as
>> >> the song has it.
>> >>
>> >> And you even need a government license to marry?
>> >
>> >Yes. Because the government, federal and state, write laws that only apply to people if they are married. Laws regarding inheritances and/or trusts are different if single or married. So you need the government to officially say you are married or not. Government issued marriage license. Kind of like driving. Whether you can actually drive or not is irrelevant. You just got to have one of the 50 states officially issue you a drivers license. Then you can drive anywhere in the USA. And many foreign countries too. You got to have the government say you are married. Whether you love, like, hate the person you are married to is irrelevant. Whether you cheat on and steal from your spouse, irrelevant. Just got to have the government issued piece of paper. And because the USA is now a devil worshipping satanic cult controlled by Nazi Jews with space lasers, you do not even have to be married in a church anymore. Many different people can officially marry you in accordance
>> >with the government.
>> >
>> I am inclined to think your argument is incorrect.
>>
>> Firstly "Marriage Licenses" were issued in the American Colonies in
>> the earliest days. I believe from 1741 the colony of North Carolina
>> took judicial control over marriages.
>
>John, are you aware the country of Great Britain, United Kingdom, England, however you want to say it, has an OFFICIAL religion.
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_England
>
>Church of England. Good name for the official church of England. Nice and succinct. And you may or may not be aware that the USA colonies before 1776 were colonies of England. England was their mother so to speak. I do not know exactly how England ran its marriages back in 1741, whether they had to be church approved or not. But if so, it seems kind of logical for England's colonies, which also had the Church of England as their official church, would do the same thing as done in England. So if Church of England was the official church of England and all its colonies, having the states/colonies/government do this work is logical. They are the same thing essentially.
>
>But here in the USA, after 1776, we had to separate the church and government. So marriage ceremonies are performed in churches. Or before a judge. Or in a kiosk at the Las Vegas airport. And the government issues a license for legal reasons. As Andy said property rights. I said inheritance. Which is property too.

On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 16:55:38 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 6:16:22 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 07:47:38 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>> >Yes, that's right. The government interest derives from
>> >making clear property rights and support of minor children.
>> Really?
>>
>> I ask as the first government requirement for a "license" dates to
>> several years before the 1775 war and the requirement for church
>> approval predates that. In England the requirement seems to date back
>> to at least the 16th or 17th century.
>> --
>> Cheers,
>>
>> John B.
>
>My history is probably lacking, but it seems to me that in the 1700s or a tiny bit earlier, the civilized, industrial world, meaning Europe, became more law based and a little less on monarchs and dynasties. Written laws decided by a legislature. So the need for property rights instituted by marriage. Whereas before, the law was just the law of the land. Or the way its always been done. Tradition. Edict by the local priest. Such as when a man dies, everything goes to the first born son. Or to the dead man's brother. The widow was delegated to the next unmarried brother of the dead husband. Children were delegated to the dead man's sisters and brothers. That is the way it was done. No laws. No wife inheriting property. No wife keeping the farm and children. No wife owning the local pub or sawmill or grain mill. But then them damned intrusive governments butted in and made up laws to give the wife property. How Terrible!!!!!!! So we needed the government to
officially
>say the wife was married to the man.

My point was that you need a "license" to get married in the U.S.
license ~ noun
1. a legal document giving official permission to do something

In other countries where I've lived there is no requirement for a
"license". In both Japan and Thailand where I actually got married you
simply went to the local government office and registered the fact.
And yes, as in all government offices there was a fee. 25 cents, in
U.S. currency for my Thai registration.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 8:36:08 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 16:55:38 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 6:16:22 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> >> On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 07:47:38 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >> >Yes, that's right. The government interest derives from
> >> >making clear property rights and support of minor children.
> >> Really?
> >>
> >> I ask as the first government requirement for a "license" dates to
> >> several years before the 1775 war and the requirement for church
> >> approval predates that. In England the requirement seems to date back
> >> to at least the 16th or 17th century.
> >> --
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> John B.
> >
> >My history is probably lacking, but it seems to me that in the 1700s or a tiny bit earlier, the civilized, industrial world, meaning Europe, became more law based and a little less on monarchs and dynasties. Written laws decided by a legislature. So the need for property rights instituted by marriage. Whereas before, the law was just the law of the land. Or the way its always been done. Tradition. Edict by the local priest. Such as when a man dies, everything goes to the first born son. Or to the dead man's brother. The widow was delegated to the next unmarried brother of the dead husband. Children were delegated to the dead man's sisters and brothers. That is the way it was done. No laws. No wife inheriting property. No wife keeping the farm and children. No wife owning the local pub or sawmill or grain mill. But then them damned intrusive governments butted in and made up laws to give the wife property. How Terrible!!!!!!! So we needed the government to
> officially
> >say the wife was married to the man.
> My point was that you need a "license" to get married in the U.S.
> license ~ noun
> 1. a legal document giving official permission to do something
>
> In other countries where I've lived there is no requirement for a
> "license"

In the USA we have these things, numbers, called a Social Security Number. A way for the Federal Government and other entities to keep track of every person. There are also Social Security Cards issued to some people. People who ask for them. But whether you have a Social Security Card or not is irrelevant. I do not have one. But every year I have to put my Social Security Number on the tax forms and give it to my credit card company and my stock investment company and bank and other places too. They do not care if I have an official government issued Social Security Card or not. All they want is the number. Which I presume they run through some database to prove its the correct number for me. Not sure on this or not. So your idea of having an official tangible paper "license" is nonsense. I do not know if anyone really cares if you have an official paper marriage "license" or not. Every form that asks whether you are married or not just takes your check mark as proof or not. No one ever asks you to show the paper marriage license. I am sure your official marriage status is recorded somewhere in the state or federal records somewhere. And somehow some lawyer can officially look up this official recording that you are married or not. That is all that matters. No one cares if you can produce the "license".

Personally, I do not know if "licenses" are issued when you get married or not. Someone on here will have to answer that question. Do they have an official paper license saying they are married? But I am sure its recorded in the state and/or federal records that they are officially married. The official government recording of marriage is what counts. Not the paper "license".

.. In both Japan and Thailand where I actually got married you
> simply went to the local government office and registered the fact.
> And yes, as in all government offices there was a fee. 25 cents, in
> U.S. currency for my Thai registration.
> --
> Cheers,
>
> John B.

On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 22:28:54 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 8:36:08 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 16:55:38 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
>> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 6:16:22 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 07:47:38 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>> >> >Yes, that's right. The government interest derives from
>> >> >making clear property rights and support of minor children.
>> >> Really?
>> >>
>> >> I ask as the first government requirement for a "license" dates to
>> >> several years before the 1775 war and the requirement for church
>> >> approval predates that. In England the requirement seems to date back
>> >> to at least the 16th or 17th century.
>> >> --
>> >> Cheers,
>> >>
>> >> John B.
>> >
>> >My history is probably lacking, but it seems to me that in the 1700s or a tiny bit earlier, the civilized, industrial world, meaning Europe, became more law based and a little less on monarchs and dynasties. Written laws decided by a legislature. So the need for property rights instituted by marriage. Whereas before, the law was just the law of the land. Or the way its always been done. Tradition. Edict by the local priest. Such as when a man dies, everything goes to the first born son. Or to the dead man's brother. The widow was delegated to the next unmarried brother of the dead husband. Children were delegated to the dead man's sisters and brothers. That is the way it was done. No laws. No wife inheriting property. No wife keeping the farm and children. No wife owning the local pub or sawmill or grain mill. But then them damned intrusive governments butted in and made up laws to give the wife property. How Terrible!!!!!!! So we needed the government to
>> officially
>> >say the wife was married to the man.
>> My point was that you need a "license" to get married in the U.S.
>> license ~ noun
>> 1. a legal document giving official permission to do something
>>
>> In other countries where I've lived there is no requirement for a
>> "license"
>
>In the USA we have these things, numbers, called a Social Security Number. A way for the Federal Government and other entities to keep track of every person. There are also Social Security Cards issued to some people. People who ask for them. But whether you have a Social Security Card or not is irrelevant. I do not have one. But every year I have to put my Social Security Number on the tax forms and give it to my credit card company and my stock investment company and bank and other places too. They do not care if I have an official government issued Social Security Card or not. All they want is the number. Which I presume they run through some database to prove its the correct number for me. Not sure on this or not. So your idea of having an official tangible paper "license" is nonsense. I do not know if anyone really cares if you have an official paper marriage "license" or not. Every form that asks whether you are married or not just takes your check mark as proof
or
>not. No one ever asks you to show the paper marriage license. I am sure your official marriage status is recorded somewhere in the state or federal records somewhere. And somehow some lawyer can officially look up this official recording that you are married or not. That is all that matters. No one cares if you can produce the "license".
>
>Personally, I do not know if "licenses" are issued when you get married or not.Someone on here will have to answer that question. Do they have an official paper license saying they are married? But I am sure its recorded in the state and/or federal records that they are officially married. The official government recording of marriage is what counts. Not the paper "license".

Well yes and no. Some States have a waiting period. You go and pay for
the license but you have to wait for some period before you can
actually tie the knot.

As for Social Security, other countries issue their population with
identity cards.

My wife, Thai citizen, over 60 years of age, simply shows her national
I.D. card at the hospital for free medical care and for her old age
pension had to go to the local government office and give them her
bank account number and her pension is automatically deposited to her
bank each month.

So simple.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 3/24/2022 5:15 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 12:29:41 AM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 19:52:33 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
>> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 8:08:55 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 17:34:07 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
>>>> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 5:58:54 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 08:43:38 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The trip I took on Sunday was up to Reno via car rather than a bike ride, It was to take out a marriage license and remarry my ex-wife with whom we have been living together for the last six years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My brother and his fourth wife live in Reno and they have a new house under construction. That is being held up by not being able to get the lathe used for the plaster and lathe exterior.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> His latest wife was a nurse that ran the diabetes clinic and is extremely orderly so she had me make appointments for everything when I would normally have winged it. After all, Reno is the place where thousands of people do to get married. I had an appointment to get the marriage license at 3 pm but as usual my wife couldn't get ready until 1/2 hours after our expected start time. Then we had to stop at a Sonic hamburger place east of Sacramento she knew because it had clean bathrooms. We also bought a hamburger. They are pretty good since everything that goes into making them is fresh today. Nothing is ever frozen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Them when it appeared that we would be just on time the Maps App changed North 9th St. to South 9th St. and I couldn't find the damned building. Luckily my brother was there and finally talked us into the correct location. I sure as hell don't know why I needed an appointment since you could hear a pin drop in that building. The only ones there were two clerks and Ann and I. We then proceeded to the marriage chapel and were properly married for the second time. We had a hard time keeping straight faces since we'd already gone through the "or worse" part and survived it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On the way out there was another couple that had just been married that were older than Ann and I. The reverend told us that people were waiting to get married until they both received their social security these days because most people work and want their own income. If you are married before drawing SS you get less as a married couple.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brother Bob then took us down to his house under construction to show it off. One thing that stood out is that they now plumb these places with clear plastic water tubes rather than piping. It is my belief that this makes the water facets etc. silent in use. I have a dishwasher that is connected via a plastic tube and you can't hear it working unless you stand adjacent and listen hard.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We then went out to dinner at a local high end restaurant. I had a bottle of Champaign that Ann had gotten as a present at some time. It was made in a winery in Livermore that is known for making barely so-so wine. But that was the best Champaign I hade ever drank. For company parties I used to buy very expensive Champaign so I did have plenty of comparisons. My brother the wine connoisseur said that winery was known for that great Champaign. Since I had ridden there many times on rides with friends I now know what to bring back.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The next morning we attempted to fill up again but it was one of those places that you had to guess how much you needed and pay for it prior to pumping. Well, I guessed low since the price there was only a quarter less than in California.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The trip home was uneventful other than the traffic which believes in driving 90 mph in 65 mph zones. I think that I'm going to look into suing California for everything they have. They are willing to seize your car and put you in jail overnight for having a blood alcohol level of 0.8 on the grounds that you are a public threat (most people can hardly even feel that much alcohol) but they are willing to do absolutely nothing about people driving 25 mph over the speed limit and now even trucks are driving 70 mph when the speed limit is 55. In the unusual case they arrest someone for drunk driving it is because they are speeding or weaving all over the road. So why not the people that are speeding and weaving all over the road without alcohol in their system? 3,600 people are killed each year from speeding and it is almost always signed off as drunk driving and not speeding and reckless driving.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Arrived home and the cat was mad at me for leaving her alone for a day so she ignored me while purring up a storm for the wife.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Funny thing, while getting the marriage license apparently you can legally change your name to something else. I considered changing mine to Frank Kragowski so that I could post conservative ideas under that name and lead Frank on to suicide.
>>>>>> Just out of curiosity and not to start an argument. Why Reno to get
>>>>>> married? Or to put it the other way, why not California?
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you been gone from the USA that long John? I am sure even when you were just a wee kid John, the laws in Vegas, and I presume all of Nevada, were instant marriage. Zero waiting period for marriage license from the state. Maybe an official marriage license from the state was not even necessary. Just have a preacher, shaman, voodoo doctor, medical doctor, insurance salesman, hotdog vendor, taxi driver, pronounce you man and wife. You could fly or drive into Vegas (Nevada too I presume) and get married right at the airport or at a shop along the strip and be newlyweds by the time you pulled into the hotel parking lot and booked the Honeymoon Suite. I am making up the assumption that to book the Honeymoon Suite you had to be a married couple. Ha Ha. Since Tommy boy lives in the Oakland area, I guess Reno is the closest place in Nevada for him to be an official man and wife.
>>>>>
>>>> Well, yes. I was never married in the U.S. My first wife I married in
>>>> Japan and the second I married in Thailand.
>>>>
>>>> But more to the point, I keep reading about all the freedom that y'all
>>>> have back there, " "the land of the free and the home of the brave" as
>>>> the song has it.
>>>>
>>>> And you even need a government license to marry?
>>>
>>> Yes. Because the government, federal and state, write laws that only apply to people if they are married. Laws regarding inheritances and/or trusts are different if single or married. So you need the government to officially say you are married or not. Government issued marriage license. Kind of like driving. Whether you can actually drive or not is irrelevant. You just got to have one of the 50 states officially issue you a drivers license. Then you can drive anywhere in the USA. And many foreign countries too. You got to have the government say you are married. Whether you love, like, hate the person you are married to is irrelevant. Whether you cheat on and steal from your spouse, irrelevant. Just got to have the government issued piece of paper. And because the USA is now a devil worshipping satanic cult controlled by Nazi Jews with space lasers, you do not even have to be married in a church anymore. Many different people can officially marry you in accordance
>>> with the government.
>>>
>> I am inclined to think your argument is incorrect.
>>
>> Firstly "Marriage Licenses" were issued in the American Colonies in
>> the earliest days. I believe from 1741 the colony of North Carolina
>> took judicial control over marriages.
>
> John, are you aware the country of Great Britain, United Kingdom, England, however you want to say it, has an OFFICIAL religion.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_England
>
> Church of England. Good name for the official church of England. Nice and succinct. And you may or may not be aware that the USA colonies before 1776 were colonies of England. England was their mother so to speak. I do not know exactly how England ran its marriages back in 1741, whether they had to be church approved or not. But if so, it seems kind of logical for England's colonies, which also had the Church of England as their official church, would do the same thing as done in England. So if Church of England was the official church of England and all its colonies, having the states/colonies/government do this work is logical. They are the same thing essentially.
>
> But here in the USA, after 1776, we had to separate the church and government. So marriage ceremonies are performed in churches. Or before a judge. Or in a kiosk at the Las Vegas airport. And the government issues a license for legal reasons. As Andy said property rights. I said inheritance. Which is property too.
>
>
>
>
>>
>> Earlier, the Church was, I believe the first to issue such a document,
>> by an English speaking country, in 1100-something.
>>
>> The earliest references I can find was the publishing, or announcement
>> of, "Banns", the announcement that A and B planned to marry, by the
>> Church.
>>
>> Funny, the Asian countries I've lived in don't require a "Marriage
>> Licence", per se, but do require you to register the marriage with the
>> government office and who furnish a certificate of marriage. And no
>> problems with trusts, inheritances, whatever. In fact a friend just
>> died. His wife told my wife that she simply took his bank book and the
>> government issued notification of his death to the bank and they gave
>> her his money.
>
> License = certificate? Probably. Government does it in Thailand and the USA. And probably most other places too. Probably different laws regarding property in Thailand and the USA. And if the bank your friend had was a joint account, then his wife likely had full ownership anyway. So she just took the death certificate to remove his name from the account for legal or cosmetic reasons. But the house she and her late husband lived in may be different. Was it joint ownership, spouse survivorship, etc.? She may well have to go through the legal process to get legal ownership. Did his will give her the house or she got it through joint tenancy? Or did the will give it to someone else? Ex-wife? Children from other marriage? I am sure she will need the government issued marriage certificate or license to get property from the dead husband.
>
>
>
>
>>
>> Re Driver's Licenses. There is, or was, a law that Servicemen had some
>> period of time - perhaps one month - to apply for a state driver's
>> licence when they were transferred to a new base, and during that
>> period their "old" license was sufficient.
>
> Same here in the USA now. You can move to another state and live there for a short while and use your old license. But I am sure there are rules on the books saying you have to get a new license from the state of your new residence within so many months or so. And I am sure the cops give some leniency to enforcing this. If you are only a few days or weeks or even months over the limit, OK no harm done. Just get it done quick. But if you are years over the limit, then NO and you get a ticket, go to jail, have car towed, etc. I think with going to college in another state you can keep your old license from your home state and are legal. Even if you really live full time where you go to college. And never even go home for the summer. But after you graduate and move out of state to a new job, you will have to get a license for your new state. Eventually the law will enforce this.
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> A bloke I knew had gotten a Thai driver's license while stationed in
>> Thailand and upon returning to the U.S. promptly got stopped by the
>> Cops and produced his Thai driver's license, which of course is all
>> written in Thai.
>>
>> He said that there was much confusion and the Trooper even called
>> someone on his radio but they finally let him go with a warning to
>> "GET A LICRNSE!"
>> --
>> Cheers,
>>
>> John B.

On 3/24/2022 6:16 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 07:47:38 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 3/23/2022 9:52 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 8:08:55 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 17:34:07 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
>>>> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 5:58:54 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 08:43:38 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The trip I took on Sunday was up to Reno via car rather than a bike ride, It was to take out a marriage license and remarry my ex-wife with whom we have been living together for the last six years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My brother and his fourth wife live in Reno and they have a new house under construction. That is being held up by not being able to get the lathe used for the plaster and lathe exterior.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> His latest wife was a nurse that ran the diabetes clinic and is extremely orderly so she had me make appointments for everything when I would normally have winged it. After all, Reno is the place where thousands of people do to get married. I had an appointment to get the marriage license at 3 pm but as usual my wife couldn't get ready until 1/2 hours after our expected start time. Then we had to stop at a Sonic hamburger place east of Sacramento she knew because it had clean bathrooms. We also bought a hamburger. They are pretty good since everything that goes into making them is fresh today. Nothing is ever frozen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Them when it appeared that we would be just on time the Maps App changed North 9th St. to South 9th St. and I couldn't find the damned building. Luckily my brother was there and finally talked us into the correct location. I sure as hell don't know why I needed an appointment since you could hear a pin drop in that building. The only ones there were two clerks and Ann and I. We then proceeded to the marriage chapel and were properly married for the second time. We had a hard time keeping straight faces since we'd already gone through the "or worse" part and survived it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On the way out there was another couple that had just been married that were older than Ann and I. The reverend told us that people were waiting to get married until they both received their social security these days because most people work and want their own income. If you are married before drawing SS you get less as a married couple.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brother Bob then took us down to his house under construction to show it off. One thing that stood out is that they now plumb these places with clear plastic water tubes rather than piping. It is my belief that this makes the water facets etc. silent in use. I have a dishwasher that is connected via a plastic tube and you can't hear it working unless you stand adjacent and listen hard.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We then went out to dinner at a local high end restaurant. I had a bottle of Champaign that Ann had gotten as a present at some time. It was made in a winery in Livermore that is known for making barely so-so wine. But that was the best Champaign I hade ever drank. For company parties I used to buy very expensive Champaign so I did have plenty of comparisons. My brother the wine connoisseur said that winery was known for that great Champaign. Since I had ridden there many times on rides with friends I now know what to bring back.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The next morning we attempted to fill up again but it was one of those places that you had to guess how much you needed and pay for it prior to pumping. Well, I guessed low since the price there was only a quarter less than in California.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The trip home was uneventful other than the traffic which believes in driving 90 mph in 65 mph zones. I think that I'm going to look into suing California for everything they have. They are willing to seize your car and put you in jail overnight for having a blood alcohol level of 0.8 on the grounds that you are a public threat (most people can hardly even feel that much alcohol) but they are willing to do absolutely nothing about people driving 25 mph over the speed limit and now even trucks are driving 70 mph when the speed limit is 55. In the unusual case they arrest someone for drunk driving it is because they are speeding or weaving all over the road. So why not the people that are speeding and weaving all over the road without alcohol in their system? 3,600 people are killed each year from speeding and it is almost always signed off as drunk driving and not speeding and reckless driving.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Arrived home and the cat was mad at me for leaving her alone for a day so she ignored me while purring up a storm for the wife.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Funny thing, while getting the marriage license apparently you can legally change your name to something else. I considered changing mine to Frank Kragowski so that I could post conservative ideas under that name and lead Frank on to suicide.
>>>>>> Just out of curiosity and not to start an argument. Why Reno to get
>>>>>> married? Or to put it the other way, why not California?
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you been gone from the USA that long John? I am sure even when you were just a wee kid John, the laws in Vegas, and I presume all of Nevada, were instant marriage. Zero waiting period for marriage license from the state. Maybe an official marriage license from the state was not even necessary. Just have a preacher, shaman, voodoo doctor, medical doctor, insurance salesman, hotdog vendor, taxi driver, pronounce you man and wife. You could fly or drive into Vegas (Nevada too I presume) and get married right at the airport or at a shop along the strip and be newlyweds by the time you pulled into the hotel parking lot and booked the Honeymoon Suite. I am making up the assumption that to book the Honeymoon Suite you had to be a married couple. Ha Ha. Since Tommy boy lives in the Oakland area, I guess Reno is the closest place in Nevada for him to be an official man and wife.
>>>>>
>>>> Well, yes. I was never married in the U.S. My first wife I married in
>>>> Japan and the second I married in Thailand.
>>>>
>>>> But more to the point, I keep reading about all the freedom that y'all
>>>> have back there, " "the land of the free and the home of the brave" as
>>>> the song has it.
>>>>
>>>> And you even need a government license to marry?
>>>
>>> Yes. Because the government, federal and state, write laws that only apply to people if they are married. Laws regarding inheritances and/or trusts are different if single or married. So you need the government to officially say you are married or not. Government issued marriage license. Kind of like driving. Whether you can actually drive or not is irrelevant. You just got to have one of the 50 states officially issue you a drivers license. Then you can drive anywhere in the USA. And many foreign countries too. You got to have the government say you are married. Whether you love, like, hate the person you are married to is irrelevant. Whether you cheat on and steal from your spouse, irrelevant. Just got to have the government issued piece of paper. And because the USA is now a devil worshipping satanic cult controlled by Nazi Jews with space lasers, you do not even have to be married in a church anymore. Many different people can officially marry you in accordanc
e >> with the government.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> And (I just looked it up) you have to pay as much as $93.50 to the
>>>> Government for the license.
>>>>
>>>> And even more bizarre, if you simply "shack up" with a girl and she
>>>> has a child she can apply for Aid to Unwed Mothers and the Government
>>>> will pay her a salary.
>>>> --
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> John B.
>>
>> Yes, that's right. The government interest derives from
>> making clear property rights and support of minor children.
>
> Really?
>
> I ask as the first government requirement for a "license" dates to
> several years before the 1775 war and the requirement for church
> approval predates that. In England the requirement seems to date back
> to at least the 16th or 17th century.
>

We do not disagree.

Whether a small band or tribe, an established church or some
governmental entity, the public declaration of a marriage
contract is very important to secure one's estate and to
define progeny.

Were it not for children and property no one would much care
who shacks up with whom.

On 3/24/2022 6:55 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 6:16:22 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 07:47:38 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>> Yes, that's right. The government interest derives from
>>> making clear property rights and support of minor children.
>> Really?
>>
>> I ask as the first government requirement for a "license" dates to
>> several years before the 1775 war and the requirement for church
>> approval predates that. In England the requirement seems to date back
>> to at least the 16th or 17th century.
>> --
>> Cheers,
>>
>> John B.
>
> My history is probably lacking, but it seems to me that in the 1700s or a tiny bit earlier, the civilized, industrial world, meaning Europe, became more law based and a little less on monarchs and dynasties. Written laws decided by a legislature. So the need for property rights instituted by marriage. Whereas before, the law was just the law of the land. Or the way its always been done. Tradition. Edict by the local priest. Such as when a man dies, everything goes to the first born son. Or to the dead man's brother. The widow was delegated to the next unmarried brother of the dead husband. Children were delegated to the dead man's sisters and brothers. That is the way it was done. No laws. No wife inheriting property. No wife keeping the farm and children. No wife owning the local pub or sawmill or grain mill. But then them damned intrusive governments butted in and made up laws to give the wife property. How Terrible!!!!!!! So we needed the government to officia
lly say the wife was married to the man.
>

I think an historian could help you to understand this area
better.

https://www.unrv.com/culture/roman-marriage.php

There are a few thousand similar examples.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 3/24/2022 7:40 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 08:05:08 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 3/24/2022 12:29 AM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 19:52:33 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
>>> <ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 8:08:55 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 17:34:07 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
>>>>> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 5:58:54 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 08:43:38 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>>>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The trip I took on Sunday was up to Reno via car rather than a bike ride, It was to take out a marriage license and remarry my ex-wife with whom we have been living together for the last six years.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My brother and his fourth wife live in Reno and they have a new house under construction. That is being held up by not being able to get the lathe used for the plaster and lathe exterior.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> His latest wife was a nurse that ran the diabetes clinic and is extremely orderly so she had me make appointments for everything when I would normally have winged it. After all, Reno is the place where thousands of people do to get married. I had an appointment to get the marriage license at 3 pm but as usual my wife couldn't get ready until 1/2 hours after our expected start time. Then we had to stop at a Sonic hamburger place east of Sacramento she knew because it had clean bathrooms. We also bought a hamburger. They are pretty good since everything that goes into making them is fresh today. Nothing is ever frozen.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Them when it appeared that we would be just on time the Maps App changed North 9th St. to South 9th St. and I couldn't find the damned building. Luckily my brother was there and finally talked us into the correct location. I sure as hell don't know why I needed an appointment since you could hear a pin drop in that building. The only ones there were two clerks and Ann and I. We then proceeded to the marriage chapel and were properly married for the second time. We had a hard time keeping straight faces since we'd already gone through the "or worse" part and survived it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On the way out there was another couple that had just been married that were older than Ann and I. The reverend told us that people were waiting to get married until they both received their social security these days because most people work and want their own income. If you are married before drawing SS you get less as a married couple.
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>>>>>>>> Brother Bob then took us down to his house under construction to show it off. One thing that stood out is that they now plumb these places with clear plastic water tubes rather than piping. It is my belief that this makes the water facets etc. silent in use. I have a dishwasher that is connected via a plastic tube and you can't hear it working unless you stand adjacent and listen hard.
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>>>>>>>> We then went out to dinner at a local high end restaurant. I had a bottle of Champaign that Ann had gotten as a present at some time. It was made in a winery in Livermore that is known for making barely so-so wine. But that was the best Champaign I hade ever drank. For company parties I used to buy very expensive Champaign so I did have plenty of comparisons. My brother the wine connoisseur said that winery was known for that great Champaign. Since I had ridden there many times on rides with friends I now know what to bring back.
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>>>>>>>> The next morning we attempted to fill up again but it was one of those places that you had to guess how much you needed and pay for it prior to pumping. Well, I guessed low since the price there was only a quarter less than in California.
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>>>>>>>> The trip home was uneventful other than the traffic which believes in driving 90 mph in 65 mph zones. I think that I'm going to look into suing California for everything they have. They are willing to seize your car and put you in jail overnight for having a blood alcohol level of 0.8 on the grounds that you are a public threat (most people can hardly even feel that much alcohol) but they are willing to do absolutely nothing about people driving 25 mph over the speed limit and now even trucks are driving 70 mph when the speed limit is 55. In the unusual case they arrest someone for drunk driving it is because they are speeding or weaving all over the road. So why not the people that are speeding and weaving all over the road without alcohol in their system? 3,600 people are killed each year from speeding and it is almost always signed off as drunk driving and not speeding and reckless driving.
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>>>>>>>> Arrived home and the cat was mad at me for leaving her alone for a day so she ignored me while purring up a storm for the wife.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Funny thing, while getting the marriage license apparently you can legally change your name to something else. I considered changing mine to Frank Kragowski so that I could post conservative ideas under that name and lead Frank on to suicide.
>>>>>>> Just out of curiosity and not to start an argument. Why Reno to get
>>>>>>> married? Or to put it the other way, why not California?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have you been gone from the USA that long John? I am sure even when you were just a wee kid John, the laws in Vegas, and I presume all of Nevada, were instant marriage. Zero waiting period for marriage license from the state. Maybe an official marriage license from the state was not even necessary. Just have a preacher, shaman, voodoo doctor, medical doctor, insurance salesman, hotdog vendor, taxi driver, pronounce you man and wife. You could fly or drive into Vegas (Nevada too I presume) and get married right at the airport or at a shop along the strip and be newlyweds by the time you pulled into the hotel parking lot and booked the Honeymoon Suite. I am making up the assumption that to book the Honeymoon Suite you had to be a married couple. Ha Ha. Since Tommy boy lives in the Oakland area, I guess Reno is the closest place in Nevada for him to be an official man and wife.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Well, yes. I was never married in the U.S. My first wife I married in
>>>>> Japan and the second I married in Thailand.
>>>>>
>>>>> But more to the point, I keep reading about all the freedom that y'all
>>>>> have back there, " "the land of the free and the home of the brave" as
>>>>> the song has it.
>>>>>
>>>>> And you even need a government license to marry?
>>>>
>>>> Yes. Because the government, federal and state, write laws that only apply to people if they are married. Laws regarding inheritances and/or trusts are different if single or married. So you need the government to officially say you are married or not. Government issued marriage license. Kind of like driving. Whether you can actually drive or not is irrelevant. You just got to have one of the 50 states officially issue you a drivers license. Then you can drive anywhere in the USA. And many foreign countries too. You got to have the government say you are married. Whether you love, like, hate the person you are married to is irrelevant. Whether you cheat on and steal from your spouse, irrelevant. Just got to have the government issued piece of paper. And because the USA is now a devil worshipping satanic cult controlled by Nazi Jews with space lasers, you do not even have to be married in a church anymore. Many different people can officially marry you in accordan
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>>
>>>> with the government.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I am inclined to think your argument is incorrect.
>>>
>>> Firstly "Marriage Licenses" were issued in the American Colonies in
>>> the earliest days. I believe from 1741 the colony of North Carolina
>>> took judicial control over marriages.
>>>
>>> Earlier, the Church was, I believe the first to issue such a document,
>>> by an English speaking country, in 1100-something.
>>>
>>> The earliest references I can find was the publishing, or announcement
>>> of, "Banns", the announcement that A and B planned to marry, by the
>>> Church.
>>>
>>> Funny, the Asian countries I've lived in don't require a "Marriage
>>> Licence", per se, but do require you to register the marriage with the
>>> government office and who furnish a certificate of marriage. And no
>>> problems with trusts, inheritances, whatever. In fact a friend just
>>> died. His wife told my wife that she simply took his bank book and the
>>> government issued notification of his death to the bank and they gave
>>> her his money.
>>>
>>> Re Driver's Licenses. There is, or was, a law that Servicemen had some
>>> period of time - perhaps one month - to apply for a state driver's
>>> licence when they were transferred to a new base, and during that
>>> period their "old" license was sufficient.
>>>
>>> A bloke I knew had gotten a Thai driver's license while stationed in
>>> Thailand and upon returning to the U.S. promptly got stopped by the
>>> Cops and produced his Thai driver's license, which of course is all
>>> written in Thai.
>>>
>>> He said that there was much confusion and the Trooper even called
>>> someone on his radio but they finally let him go with a warning to
>>> "GET A LICRNSE!"
>>>
>>
>> Yes, the societal interest in making marriage contracts
>> public is ancient. Tribal custom, then public church
>> ceremonies then government licenses are minor differences in
>> establishing property rights and defining whose children are
>> whose.
>
> Well, I'm not too sure about that last little bit as I read
> https://tinyurl.com/5n7cnas9
> that 77.3% of births to Blacks are "single parent births" which seems
> to be the current socially correct term for illegitimate births (which
> used to be termed "bastards") and among the Hispanic folks the number
> is 56.9% while the White fellows are trailing the pack with a miserly
> 30%.
>