On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 13:22:25 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 08:59:28 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>>Yes, a complex decision and sometimes the critical factor is
>>not price differential:
>>
>>https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/63-000-canadians-left-the-country-for-medical-treatment-last-year-fraser-institute-1.3486635
>
>One of my friends told me this story. His father lived in Canada and
>needed some kind of surgery. After about 9(?) months of delays and
>postponements, he died. He had the money and the option to have the
>surgery done across the border in US, but for some unknown reason,
>chose to wait. Wrong decision.
>
>That was also part of my problem. I was monitoring my PSA score
>trying to delay surgery as long as possible.
><http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/psa.jpg>
>(The big bump in Jan 2007 is from a kidney stone and can be ignored).
>At 10.0 the procedures and risks change dramatically. That changed a
>slow growing tumor into a crisis. Offshore surgery (when paying cash)
>can be done almost immediately. Local hospital surgeries are
>chronically delayed. I decided to cover my bets and do both. I threw
>some money away getting things arranged to go to Mexico:
><https://www.angeleshealth.com>
>After 5 postponements, the local hospital agreed to do the surgery
>without further delays. They tried to delay surgery one more time but
>that failed.
>
>My urologist also gave me a tempting offer. He had just completed
>training on the DaVinci robot assisted surgery machine:
><https://www.davincisurgery.com>
>and wanted to try it on me as his first patient/victim. I had 15
>seconds to make the decision. Because it was his first and because
>the local hospital didn't have a machine causing us to burn more time
>looking for an available machine, I declined his generous offer.
>
>Moral: Nothing is simple or goes according the plan.

One might say, "Amazingly poor medical service".

My wife, on the other hand found a lump in her breast and went to the
hospital. They did a biopsy , took a sample, and sent it to the lab
and advised her one week later that she had cancer and she was
scheduled for an operation about 3 weeks later
And, as I previously mentioned, the total cost, to date, is some
13,000 baht, about US$360, for a private room.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 4:41:14 PM UTC-4, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 8:59:34 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
> >
> > Yes, a complex decision and sometimes the critical factor is
> > not price differential:
> >
> > https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/63-000-canadians-left-the-country-for-medical-treatment-last-year-fraser-institute-1.3486635
> > --
> > Andrew Muzi
> > <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> > Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> Your link says 63,000 Canadians traveled to foreign countries for medical care in 2016. The supporters of the article claim it was all due to wait times for government provided health care. Canada had 36 million population in 2016. That is 0.175%. Or 1.75 patients out of 1000 patients. A hair under one in 500 chances. Don't know about you, but if I went to Las Vegas and the chance of winning a bet was less than one in 500, I probably would not bet.

A lot of people get astounded or enraged (depending on their point on the political spectrum)
by "large" numbers like 63,000. But Canada, like America, is a large country. All numbers are large.

I have one relative who moved to Canada many decades ago. He once complained mightily about
the fact that his wife had cancer, and was having to wait far too long (in his opinion) for surgery.

But she got the surgery, and decades later, she's perfectly fine. The cure was complete. Even better,
the cure didn't cost them tens of thousands of dollars. They didn't lose their home the way many
Americans do, because of medically-caused bankruptcy.

Every poll I've seen says a great majority of Canadians would never trade their health care system
for the American system. Example: https://www.healthcare-now.org/blog/new-poll-shows-canadians-overwhelmingly-support-public-health-care/

Which is, of course, perfectly logical. Why would they want to spend much, much more and get
results that are much worse?

- Frank Krygowski

On Sun, 4 Sep 2022 13:18:56 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 2:54:30 AM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> On Sat, 3 Sep 2022 22:54:09 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
>> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 8:35:15 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 3 Sep 2022 20:39:23 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>> >> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On 9/3/2022 6:19 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> >> >> On Sat, 03 Sep 2022 14:37:22 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>> >> >>> It's a racket.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> For any given medical excursion, with a 'retail' price of,
>> >> >>> say, $30,000, an insurer would pay something around $10,000,
>> >> >>> a government program $6000 but the occasional poor sap with
>> >> >>> assets but not in a 'protected group' pays the otherwise
>> >> >>> fictional retail price[1]. Which leads to bizarre outcomes
>> >> >>> in which I've offered immediate cash payment at the
>> >> >>> 'insurer' rate, knowing that insurance billing runs 60 days
>> >> >>> and government billing twice that, but was refused.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> [1] uninsured indigents receive care and the provider writes
>> >> >>> off that 'retail' number as uncollectible debt. They have no
>> >> >>> incentive to change that system!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> All true. That was me in 2001. I had triple bypass heart surgery
>> >> >> without any insurance. I was 53 at the time. The total hospital bill
>> >> >> initially came to about $150,000. I asked from some relief and was
>> >> >> told that a nurse would look at the bill and delete anything that
>> >> >> wasn't actually done. Translation - the bill was padded. Amazingly,
>> >> >> that reduced the bill to about $130,000.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I was then told that I could negotiate the bill with the hospital. The
>> >> >> problem was finding someone at the hospital who would actually do the
>> >> >> negotiations. About 2 weeks later, a newly hired clerk negotiated the
>> >> >> price down to $120,000. However, she informed me that if I paid cash,
>> >> >> the hospital would automatically agree to a 50% cash discount. The
>> >> >> catch was that I had to produce the cash in 30 days. That's because
>> >> >> patients without insurance usually default on the bill which then goes
>> >> >> to collections. The collection agency gets 50% of what they can
>> >> >> squeeze out of me and the hospital gets the remaining 50%. Either
>> >> >> way, the hospital gets half so they might was well keep the
>> >> >> collections agency out of the picture.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I soon discovered that the doctors, surgeons, and others that bill
>> >> >> separately would also accept a 50% discount. The one exception was
>> >> >> the anesthesiology group, who wanted full price. I won't describe
>> >> >> refinancing my house and what it took to get about $75,000 together in
>> >> >> month, but I assure you that it was not fun, especially while I was
>> >> >> still recovering from surgery.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Paying the bill was comical. It's quite rare when a patient pays cash
>> >> >> (actually a cashiers check) for their hospital bill. Not knowing to
>> >> >> whom to give the check, I have it to the lady who originally did the
>> >> >> admissions paperwork. The precipitated a rather odd dance in the
>> >> >> office and hallways, as my check was waved around by some rather
>> >> >> excited employees. Apparently, the hospital offers a commission to
>> >> >> anyone who collects such a payment. After about an hour, they finally
>> >> >> determined that it didn't apply to accounts where the hospital had
>> >> >> already applied a large discount.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I was then introduced to a tiny cashiers office for payment. It took
>> >> >> about 30 minutes for someone to find the correct keys. I insisted on
>> >> >> a receipt and a copy of both sides of the check. Then they discovered
>> >> >> that not everyone had signed off on the 50% discount and I was
>> >> >> expected to run around obtaining two(?) additional signatures.
>> >> >> Fortunately, the required people appeared fairly quickly. Then the
>> >> >> rubber stamp used to endorse the check had run out of ink long ago.
>> >> >> One can speculate as to how often it was used to endorse cash
>> >> >> payments. After several tries, the correct color ink was found.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> There were later medical procedures that required similar cash
>> >> >> payments and dances. However, this 2001 version was the most
>> >> >> interesting.
>> >> >
>> >> >But I'm sure that exactly the same things happen in every country with
>> >> >nationalized health care, right? Because the convoluted American system
>> >> >is the best of all, right?
>> >> >
>> >> >(Of course, that was sarcastic.)
>> >> I wasn't going to post but the temptation is overwhelming.
>> >>
>> >> My wife just had both breasts removed due to cancer. The Cost? 13,000
>> >> baht for 11 days, two operations, in a private room and food. about
>> >> $360 U.S. Had she been in a public ward there would have been no cost.
>> >> I just had my quarterly visit to the cardiologist. Total cost - 380
>> >> baht for the blood test and 50 baht for the "Nursing and Midwifery
>> >> Charge" About US$10.55 and $1.40.
>> >>
>> >> To be honest this was at a "public" hospital and had I gone to a
>> >> "Private" hospital the cost would have been substantially greater.
>> >> --
>> >> Cheers,
>> >>
>> >> John B.
>> >
>> >John, you mean like DOUBLE the price? Like $21.10 and $2.80!!!!!!!!!!!! Outrageous. 100% mark up.
>> If you are referring to my comment about a Private hospital being more
>> expensive, it isn't 100% markup (:-)
>>
>> When I had the pacemaker installed they cut a sort of flap in my chest
>> installed the device and then sewed the "flap" back in place over it
>> which meant that I had an "L" shaped incision in my chest, maybe 3
>> inches on a side, and the doctor told me that the dressing should be
>> changed every day so the incision could be checked for infection.
>>
>> I had been getting it done at the local Government Hospital here and
>> the cost was 70 baht... about $2.30 US. We went to Bangkok one weekend
>> and I went to a private hospital to have the bandage changed and the
>> cost was 1,400 baht... about $46.66 U.S..
>>
>> And the difference? Well at the government hospital nobody speaks
>> English and you get in line and when it's your turn you get up on the
>> table and they change your bandage. In the private hospital a "Sweet
>> Young Thing" meets you at the door, "Yes Sir,can I help you sir", and
>> leads you down to the treatment room and you get right up on the table
>> and your bandage gets changed and then your SYT leads you right to the
>> Cashier, and after you pay she leads you back to the front door and
>> says something like "Come back any time, Sir".
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>>
>> John B.
>
>$44.36 to have a sweet young thing talk to you and look at. That might be worth it.

Not if your wife is with you.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 7:46:25 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> On Sun, 4 Sep 2022 13:18:56 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 2:54:30 AM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> >> On Sat, 3 Sep 2022 22:54:09 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
> >> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 8:35:15 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> >> >> On Sat, 3 Sep 2022 20:39:23 -0400, Frank Krygowski
> >> >> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On 9/3/2022 6:19 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> >> >> >> On Sat, 03 Sep 2022 14:37:22 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >> >> >>> It's a racket.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> For any given medical excursion, with a 'retail' price of,
> >> >> >>> say, $30,000, an insurer would pay something around $10,000,
> >> >> >>> a government program $6000 but the occasional poor sap with
> >> >> >>> assets but not in a 'protected group' pays the otherwise
> >> >> >>> fictional retail price[1]. Which leads to bizarre outcomes
> >> >> >>> in which I've offered immediate cash payment at the
> >> >> >>> 'insurer' rate, knowing that insurance billing runs 60 days
> >> >> >>> and government billing twice that, but was refused.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> [1] uninsured indigents receive care and the provider writes
> >> >> >>> off that 'retail' number as uncollectible debt. They have no
> >> >> >>> incentive to change that system!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> All true. That was me in 2001. I had triple bypass heart surgery
> >> >> >> without any insurance. I was 53 at the time. The total hospital bill
> >> >> >> initially came to about $150,000. I asked from some relief and was
> >> >> >> told that a nurse would look at the bill and delete anything that
> >> >> >> wasn't actually done. Translation - the bill was padded. Amazingly,
> >> >> >> that reduced the bill to about $130,000.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I was then told that I could negotiate the bill with the hospital. The
> >> >> >> problem was finding someone at the hospital who would actually do the
> >> >> >> negotiations. About 2 weeks later, a newly hired clerk negotiated the
> >> >> >> price down to $120,000. However, she informed me that if I paid cash,
> >> >> >> the hospital would automatically agree to a 50% cash discount. The
> >> >> >> catch was that I had to produce the cash in 30 days. That's because
> >> >> >> patients without insurance usually default on the bill which then goes
> >> >> >> to collections. The collection agency gets 50% of what they can
> >> >> >> squeeze out of me and the hospital gets the remaining 50%. Either
> >> >> >> way, the hospital gets half so they might was well keep the
> >> >> >> collections agency out of the picture.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I soon discovered that the doctors, surgeons, and others that bill
> >> >> >> separately would also accept a 50% discount. The one exception was
> >> >> >> the anesthesiology group, who wanted full price. I won't describe
> >> >> >> refinancing my house and what it took to get about $75,000 together in
> >> >> >> month, but I assure you that it was not fun, especially while I was
> >> >> >> still recovering from surgery.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Paying the bill was comical. It's quite rare when a patient pays cash
> >> >> >> (actually a cashiers check) for their hospital bill. Not knowing to
> >> >> >> whom to give the check, I have it to the lady who originally did the
> >> >> >> admissions paperwork. The precipitated a rather odd dance in the
> >> >> >> office and hallways, as my check was waved around by some rather
> >> >> >> excited employees. Apparently, the hospital offers a commission to
> >> >> >> anyone who collects such a payment. After about an hour, they finally
> >> >> >> determined that it didn't apply to accounts where the hospital had
> >> >> >> already applied a large discount.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I was then introduced to a tiny cashiers office for payment. It took
> >> >> >> about 30 minutes for someone to find the correct keys. I insisted on
> >> >> >> a receipt and a copy of both sides of the check. Then they discovered
> >> >> >> that not everyone had signed off on the 50% discount and I was
> >> >> >> expected to run around obtaining two(?) additional signatures.
> >> >> >> Fortunately, the required people appeared fairly quickly. Then the
> >> >> >> rubber stamp used to endorse the check had run out of ink long ago.
> >> >> >> One can speculate as to how often it was used to endorse cash
> >> >> >> payments. After several tries, the correct color ink was found.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> There were later medical procedures that required similar cash
> >> >> >> payments and dances. However, this 2001 version was the most
> >> >> >> interesting.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >But I'm sure that exactly the same things happen in every country with
> >> >> >nationalized health care, right? Because the convoluted American system
> >> >> >is the best of all, right?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >(Of course, that was sarcastic.)
> >> >> I wasn't going to post but the temptation is overwhelming.
> >> >>
> >> >> My wife just had both breasts removed due to cancer. The Cost? 13,000
> >> >> baht for 11 days, two operations, in a private room and food. about
> >> >> $360 U.S. Had she been in a public ward there would have been no cost.
> >> >> I just had my quarterly visit to the cardiologist. Total cost - 380
> >> >> baht for the blood test and 50 baht for the "Nursing and Midwifery
> >> >> Charge" About US$10.55 and $1.40.
> >> >>
> >> >> To be honest this was at a "public" hospital and had I gone to a
> >> >> "Private" hospital the cost would have been substantially greater.
> >> >> --
> >> >> Cheers,
> >> >>
> >> >> John B.
> >> >
> >> >John, you mean like DOUBLE the price? Like $21.10 and $2.80!!!!!!!!!!!! Outrageous. 100% mark up.
> >> If you are referring to my comment about a Private hospital being more
> >> expensive, it isn't 100% markup (:-)
> >>
> >> When I had the pacemaker installed they cut a sort of flap in my chest
> >> installed the device and then sewed the "flap" back in place over it
> >> which meant that I had an "L" shaped incision in my chest, maybe 3
> >> inches on a side, and the doctor told me that the dressing should be
> >> changed every day so the incision could be checked for infection.
> >>
> >> I had been getting it done at the local Government Hospital here and
> >> the cost was 70 baht... about $2.30 US. We went to Bangkok one weekend
> >> and I went to a private hospital to have the bandage changed and the
> >> cost was 1,400 baht... about $46.66 U.S..
> >>
> >> And the difference? Well at the government hospital nobody speaks
> >> English and you get in line and when it's your turn you get up on the
> >> table and they change your bandage. In the private hospital a "Sweet
> >> Young Thing" meets you at the door, "Yes Sir,can I help you sir", and
> >> leads you down to the treatment room and you get right up on the table
> >> and your bandage gets changed and then your SYT leads you right to the
> >> Cashier, and after you pay she leads you back to the front door and
> >> says something like "Come back any time, Sir".
> >>
> >> --
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> John B.
> >
> >$44.36 to have a sweet young thing talk to you and look at. That might be worth it.
> Not if your wife is with you.
> --
> Cheers,
>
> John B.

On Sun, 4 Sep 2022 21:44:57 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 7:46:25 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> On Sun, 4 Sep 2022 13:18:56 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
>> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 2:54:30 AM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 3 Sep 2022 22:54:09 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
>> >> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 8:35:15 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> >> >> On Sat, 3 Sep 2022 20:39:23 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>> >> >> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >On 9/3/2022 6:19 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Sat, 03 Sep 2022 14:37:22 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>> >> >> >>> It's a racket.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> For any given medical excursion, with a 'retail' price of,
>> >> >> >>> say, $30,000, an insurer would pay something around $10,000,
>> >> >> >>> a government program $6000 but the occasional poor sap with
>> >> >> >>> assets but not in a 'protected group' pays the otherwise
>> >> >> >>> fictional retail price[1]. Which leads to bizarre outcomes
>> >> >> >>> in which I've offered immediate cash payment at the
>> >> >> >>> 'insurer' rate, knowing that insurance billing runs 60 days
>> >> >> >>> and government billing twice that, but was refused.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> [1] uninsured indigents receive care and the provider writes
>> >> >> >>> off that 'retail' number as uncollectible debt. They have no
>> >> >> >>> incentive to change that system!
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> All true. That was me in 2001. I had triple bypass heart surgery
>> >> >> >> without any insurance. I was 53 at the time. The total hospital bill
>> >> >> >> initially came to about $150,000. I asked from some relief and was
>> >> >> >> told that a nurse would look at the bill and delete anything that
>> >> >> >> wasn't actually done. Translation - the bill was padded. Amazingly,
>> >> >> >> that reduced the bill to about $130,000.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I was then told that I could negotiate the bill with the hospital. The
>> >> >> >> problem was finding someone at the hospital who would actually do the
>> >> >> >> negotiations. About 2 weeks later, a newly hired clerk negotiated the
>> >> >> >> price down to $120,000. However, she informed me that if I paid cash,
>> >> >> >> the hospital would automatically agree to a 50% cash discount. The
>> >> >> >> catch was that I had to produce the cash in 30 days. That's because
>> >> >> >> patients without insurance usually default on the bill which then goes
>> >> >> >> to collections. The collection agency gets 50% of what they can
>> >> >> >> squeeze out of me and the hospital gets the remaining 50%. Either
>> >> >> >> way, the hospital gets half so they might was well keep the
>> >> >> >> collections agency out of the picture.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I soon discovered that the doctors, surgeons, and others that bill
>> >> >> >> separately would also accept a 50% discount. The one exception was
>> >> >> >> the anesthesiology group, who wanted full price. I won't describe
>> >> >> >> refinancing my house and what it took to get about $75,000 together in
>> >> >> >> month, but I assure you that it was not fun, especially while I was
>> >> >> >> still recovering from surgery.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Paying the bill was comical. It's quite rare when a patient pays cash
>> >> >> >> (actually a cashiers check) for their hospital bill. Not knowing to
>> >> >> >> whom to give the check, I have it to the lady who originally did the
>> >> >> >> admissions paperwork. The precipitated a rather odd dance in the
>> >> >> >> office and hallways, as my check was waved around by some rather
>> >> >> >> excited employees. Apparently, the hospital offers a commission to
>> >> >> >> anyone who collects such a payment. After about an hour, they finally
>> >> >> >> determined that it didn't apply to accounts where the hospital had
>> >> >> >> already applied a large discount.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I was then introduced to a tiny cashiers office for payment. It took
>> >> >> >> about 30 minutes for someone to find the correct keys. I insisted on
>> >> >> >> a receipt and a copy of both sides of the check. Then they discovered
>> >> >> >> that not everyone had signed off on the 50% discount and I was
>> >> >> >> expected to run around obtaining two(?) additional signatures.
>> >> >> >> Fortunately, the required people appeared fairly quickly. Then the
>> >> >> >> rubber stamp used to endorse the check had run out of ink long ago.
>> >> >> >> One can speculate as to how often it was used to endorse cash
>> >> >> >> payments. After several tries, the correct color ink was found.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> There were later medical procedures that required similar cash
>> >> >> >> payments and dances. However, this 2001 version was the most
>> >> >> >> interesting.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >But I'm sure that exactly the same things happen in every country with
>> >> >> >nationalized health care, right? Because the convoluted American system
>> >> >> >is the best of all, right?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >(Of course, that was sarcastic.)
>> >> >> I wasn't going to post but the temptation is overwhelming.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> My wife just had both breasts removed due to cancer. The Cost? 13,000
>> >> >> baht for 11 days, two operations, in a private room and food. about
>> >> >> $360 U.S. Had she been in a public ward there would have been no cost.
>> >> >> I just had my quarterly visit to the cardiologist. Total cost - 380
>> >> >> baht for the blood test and 50 baht for the "Nursing and Midwifery
>> >> >> Charge" About US$10.55 and $1.40.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> To be honest this was at a "public" hospital and had I gone to a
>> >> >> "Private" hospital the cost would have been substantially greater.
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Cheers,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> John B.
>> >> >
>> >> >John, you mean like DOUBLE the price? Like $21.10 and $2.80!!!!!!!!!!!! Outrageous. 100% mark up.
>> >> If you are referring to my comment about a Private hospital being more
>> >> expensive, it isn't 100% markup (:-)
>> >>
>> >> When I had the pacemaker installed they cut a sort of flap in my chest
>> >> installed the device and then sewed the "flap" back in place over it
>> >> which meant that I had an "L" shaped incision in my chest, maybe 3
>> >> inches on a side, and the doctor told me that the dressing should be
>> >> changed every day so the incision could be checked for infection.
>> >>
>> >> I had been getting it done at the local Government Hospital here and
>> >> the cost was 70 baht... about $2.30 US. We went to Bangkok one weekend
>> >> and I went to a private hospital to have the bandage changed and the
>> >> cost was 1,400 baht... about $46.66 U.S..
>> >>
>> >> And the difference? Well at the government hospital nobody speaks
>> >> English and you get in line and when it's your turn you get up on the
>> >> table and they change your bandage. In the private hospital a "Sweet
>> >> Young Thing" meets you at the door, "Yes Sir,can I help you sir", and
>> >> leads you down to the treatment room and you get right up on the table
>> >> and your bandage gets changed and then your SYT leads you right to the
>> >> Cashier, and after you pay she leads you back to the front door and
>> >> says something like "Come back any time, Sir".
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Cheers,
>> >>
>> >> John B.
>> >
>> >$44.36 to have a sweet young thing talk to you and look at. That might be worth it.
>> Not if your wife is with you.
>> --
>> Cheers,
>>
>> John B.
>
>Alright. In your reply you did say "We went to Bangkok one weekend". But you also said "I went to a private hospital". So in reality it wasn't "I went". It was "We went".

On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 7:09:42 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 9/4/2022 12:44 AM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 11:27:04 AM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >> On 9/3/2022 2:15 AM, John B. wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Are USians really so poor that they have to live in debt? Or are they
> >>> just greedy people that must have what they can't afford?
> >> I think we've been over this before, but my answer is: Yes.
> >>
> >> This is a culture that seeks contentment through possession. It's a
> >> culture that's glued to its media which, regrettably, is not Usenet, and
> >> which is financed by advertising.
> >>
> >> The advertising invariably shows pleasant looking people smiling with
> >> joy because the massive SUV they just bought has magically made all
> >> traffic disappear; or has teleported them to some desert where they can
> >> raise huge clouds of dust by sliding their vehicle sideways. Or perhaps
> >> their joy comes from getting their texts on an even better iPhone, for
> >> only $1000. Or their joy comes from replacing all the windows in their
> >> home,
> >
> > Three months ago, early June, my Mom replaced the windows in her current house. Much better windows. Easy to open. Double pane glass for better insulation. No leaks. Definite improvement. Not sure why you would not want to do something like replacing windows in your home if it makes your life and house better. Higher resale value. Better comfort. What's not to like?
> >
> >
> >
> >> or getting a new couch and carpet. Or from getting a new home
> >> security system to prevent all their expensive possessions from being
> >> stolen.
> >>
> >> People see all those handsome, smiling people in TV land and want to be
> >> just like them. When they try buying happiness that way, it's easy to
> >> get out ahead of actual cash flow. So here come the loans with easy
> >> monthly terms, or the credit card that allows you to not even think
> >> about the interest.
> >>
> >> (I know of a guy that does that with bicycles. He's never very happy,
> >> but he's always hoping that the _next_ bike, or handlebar, or
> >> derailleur, or crankset will bring true meaning to his life.)
> >
> > Gosh. Can't imagine who this might be. Ha Ha.
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> - Frank Krygowski
> You do understand it, but like others in this thread, choose
> to ignore actual cost of providing the service,
> concentrating on nominal end user fee while ignoring those
> who actually bear the expense.
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

He has claimed to have been a professional accountant and yet understands absolutely nothing about business. If I didn't know any better I would suspect that he was a teacher. And those who can't, teach.

On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 4:12:59 PM UTC+1, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 7:09:42 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> > On 9/4/2022 12:44 AM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 11:27:04 AM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > >> On 9/3/2022 2:15 AM, John B. wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Are USians really so poor that they have to live in debt? Or are they
> > >>> just greedy people that must have what they can't afford?
> > >> I think we've been over this before, but my answer is: Yes.
> > >>
> > >> This is a culture that seeks contentment through possession. It's a
> > >> culture that's glued to its media which, regrettably, is not Usenet, and
> > >> which is financed by advertising.
> > >>
> > >> The advertising invariably shows pleasant looking people smiling with
> > >> joy because the massive SUV they just bought has magically made all
> > >> traffic disappear; or has teleported them to some desert where they can
> > >> raise huge clouds of dust by sliding their vehicle sideways. Or perhaps
> > >> their joy comes from getting their texts on an even better iPhone, for
> > >> only $1000. Or their joy comes from replacing all the windows in their
> > >> home,
> > >
> > > Three months ago, early June, my Mom replaced the windows in her current house. Much better windows. Easy to open. Double pane glass for better insulation. No leaks. Definite improvement. Not sure why you would not want to do something like replacing windows in your home if it makes your life and house better. Higher resale value. Better comfort. What's not to like?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> or getting a new couch and carpet. Or from getting a new home
> > >> security system to prevent all their expensive possessions from being
> > >> stolen.
> > >>
> > >> People see all those handsome, smiling people in TV land and want to be
> > >> just like them. When they try buying happiness that way, it's easy to
> > >> get out ahead of actual cash flow. So here come the loans with easy
> > >> monthly terms, or the credit card that allows you to not even think
> > >> about the interest.
> > >>
> > >> (I know of a guy that does that with bicycles. He's never very happy,
> > >> but he's always hoping that the _next_ bike, or handlebar, or
> > >> derailleur, or crankset will bring true meaning to his life.)
> > >
> > > Gosh. Can't imagine who this might be. Ha Ha.
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> - Frank Krygowski
> > You do understand it, but like others in this thread, choose
> > to ignore actual cost of providing the service,
> > concentrating on nominal end user fee while ignoring those
> > who actually bear the expense.
> > --
> > Andrew Muzi
> > <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> > Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> He has claimed to have been a professional accountant and yet understands absolutely nothing about business. If I didn't know any better I would suspect that he was a teacher. And those who can't, teach.
>
The ideologically-inspired claim by the dimmer greenies that cost-benefit analysis is a capitalist excrescence, unnecessary in green policy like the wretched New Green Deal, has bitten them in the arse from Day One of Biden's Green Administration, exposing their destructive lack of connection to reality. It's the root cause of the growing realisation that Biden is the worst president ever. But I don't suppose any of these chumps, including the pitiable "accountant" Russell WETF, even knows what cost-benefit analysis is, never mind being able to apply it. -- AJ
>

On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 11:06:17 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 4:12:59 PM UTC+1, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 7:09:42 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> > > On 9/4/2022 12:44 AM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 11:27:04 AM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > > >> On 9/3/2022 2:15 AM, John B. wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Are USians really so poor that they have to live in debt? Or are they
> > > >>> just greedy people that must have what they can't afford?
> > > >> I think we've been over this before, but my answer is: Yes.
> > > >>
> > > >> This is a culture that seeks contentment through possession. It's a
> > > >> culture that's glued to its media which, regrettably, is not Usenet, and
> > > >> which is financed by advertising.
> > > >>
> > > >> The advertising invariably shows pleasant looking people smiling with
> > > >> joy because the massive SUV they just bought has magically made all
> > > >> traffic disappear; or has teleported them to some desert where they can
> > > >> raise huge clouds of dust by sliding their vehicle sideways. Or perhaps
> > > >> their joy comes from getting their texts on an even better iPhone, for
> > > >> only $1000. Or their joy comes from replacing all the windows in their
> > > >> home,
> > > >
> > > > Three months ago, early June, my Mom replaced the windows in her current house. Much better windows. Easy to open. Double pane glass for better insulation. No leaks. Definite improvement. Not sure why you would not want to do something like replacing windows in your home if it makes your life and house better. Higher resale value. Better comfort. What's not to like?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> or getting a new couch and carpet. Or from getting a new home
> > > >> security system to prevent all their expensive possessions from being
> > > >> stolen.
> > > >>
> > > >> People see all those handsome, smiling people in TV land and want to be
> > > >> just like them. When they try buying happiness that way, it's easy to
> > > >> get out ahead of actual cash flow. So here come the loans with easy
> > > >> monthly terms, or the credit card that allows you to not even think
> > > >> about the interest.
> > > >>
> > > >> (I know of a guy that does that with bicycles. He's never very happy,
> > > >> but he's always hoping that the _next_ bike, or handlebar, or
> > > >> derailleur, or crankset will bring true meaning to his life.)
> > > >
> > > > Gosh. Can't imagine who this might be. Ha Ha.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> - Frank Krygowski
> > > You do understand it, but like others in this thread, choose
> > > to ignore actual cost of providing the service,
> > > concentrating on nominal end user fee while ignoring those
> > > who actually bear the expense.
> > > --
> > > Andrew Muzi
> > > <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> > > Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> > He has claimed to have been a professional accountant and yet understands absolutely nothing about business. If I didn't know any better I would suspect that he was a teacher. And those who can't, teach.
> >
> The ideologically-inspired claim by the dimmer greenies that cost-benefit analysis is a capitalist excrescence, unnecessary in green policy like the wretched New Green Deal, has bitten them in the arse from Day One of Biden's Green Administration, exposing their destructive lack of connection to reality. It's the root cause of the growing realisation that Biden is the worst president ever. But I don't suppose any of these chumps, including the pitiable "accountant" Russell WETF, even knows what cost-benefit analysis is, never mind being able to apply it. -- AJ
> >

I don't remember the context but I had a momentary conversation with Jimmy Carter or should I say I had to sit at a table and listen to his ideas. I think that he was looking for financial support for this second run from the company I was working for. But although I was making a fortune at the time, I was married and all of my money was spent before it was brought home. At that time I was shocked that such a peanut grower could get elected. But Biden makes Carter look like an Einstein among Democrats.

On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 7:35:02 PM UTC+1, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 11:06:17 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> > On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 4:12:59 PM UTC+1, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 7:09:42 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> > > > On 9/4/2022 12:44 AM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 11:27:04 AM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > > > >> On 9/3/2022 2:15 AM, John B. wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Are USians really so poor that they have to live in debt? Or are they
> > > > >>> just greedy people that must have what they can't afford?
> > > > >> I think we've been over this before, but my answer is: Yes.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> This is a culture that seeks contentment through possession. It's a
> > > > >> culture that's glued to its media which, regrettably, is not Usenet, and
> > > > >> which is financed by advertising.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> The advertising invariably shows pleasant looking people smiling with
> > > > >> joy because the massive SUV they just bought has magically made all
> > > > >> traffic disappear; or has teleported them to some desert where they can
> > > > >> raise huge clouds of dust by sliding their vehicle sideways. Or perhaps
> > > > >> their joy comes from getting their texts on an even better iPhone, for
> > > > >> only $1000. Or their joy comes from replacing all the windows in their
> > > > >> home,
> > > > >
> > > > > Three months ago, early June, my Mom replaced the windows in her current house. Much better windows. Easy to open. Double pane glass for better insulation. No leaks. Definite improvement. Not sure why you would not want to do something like replacing windows in your home if it makes your life and house better. Higher resale value. Better comfort. What's not to like?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> or getting a new couch and carpet. Or from getting a new home
> > > > >> security system to prevent all their expensive possessions from being
> > > > >> stolen.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> People see all those handsome, smiling people in TV land and want to be
> > > > >> just like them. When they try buying happiness that way, it's easy to
> > > > >> get out ahead of actual cash flow. So here come the loans with easy
> > > > >> monthly terms, or the credit card that allows you to not even think
> > > > >> about the interest.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> (I know of a guy that does that with bicycles. He's never very happy,
> > > > >> but he's always hoping that the _next_ bike, or handlebar, or
> > > > >> derailleur, or crankset will bring true meaning to his life.)
> > > > >
> > > > > Gosh. Can't imagine who this might be. Ha Ha.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> --
> > > > >> - Frank Krygowski
> > > > You do understand it, but like others in this thread, choose
> > > > to ignore actual cost of providing the service,
> > > > concentrating on nominal end user fee while ignoring those
> > > > who actually bear the expense.
> > > > --
> > > > Andrew Muzi
> > > > <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> > > > Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> > > He has claimed to have been a professional accountant and yet understands absolutely nothing about business. If I didn't know any better I would suspect that he was a teacher. And those who can't, teach.
> > >
> > The ideologically-inspired claim by the dimmer greenies that cost-benefit analysis is a capitalist excrescence, unnecessary in green policy like the wretched New Green Deal, has bitten them in the arse from Day One of Biden's Green Administration, exposing their destructive lack of connection to reality. It's the root cause of the growing realisation that Biden is the worst president ever. But I don't suppose any of these chumps, including the pitiable "accountant" Russell WETF, even knows what cost-benefit analysis is, never mind being able to apply it. -- AJ
> > >
> I don't remember the context but I had a momentary conversation with Jimmy Carter or should I say I had to sit at a table and listen to his ideas. I think that he was looking for financial support for this second run from the company I was working for. But although I was making a for tune at the time, I was married and all of my money was spent before it was brought home.. At that time I was shocked that such a peanut grower could get elected. But Biden makes Carter look like an Einstein among Democrats.
>
I know what you mean. I was shocked that even the Donkey Party could sink so low as to nominate for President of the United States a woman who stole historical furniture from the White House. For me, a lifelong Americophile, that was a sobering, sickening perversion. -- AJ

On 9/5/2022 2:35 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> I don't remember the context but I had a momentary conversation with Jimmy Carter ...

HA HA HA HA HA! :-)

Tom, you have _such_ a rich fantasy life!

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 7:41:19 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 9/5/2022 2:35 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >
> > I don't remember the context but I had a momentary conversation with Jimmy Carter ...
>
> HA HA HA HA HA! :-)
>
> Tom, you have _such_ a rich fantasy life!
> --
> - Frank Krygowski

Frank, I read that too. But did not choose to respond. Tommy is getting a little better with his lies. He did add in that it was a company Carter was recruiting for money during his presidential run and Tommy was simply at the company table. Maybe that is more plausible than Tommy arguing economics with Janet Yellen on the internet.

On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 2:48:59 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 7:35:02 PM UTC+1, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 11:06:17 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> > > On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 4:12:59 PM UTC+1, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 7:09:42 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> > > > > On 9/4/2022 12:44 AM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > > > On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 11:27:04 AM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > > > > >> On 9/3/2022 2:15 AM, John B. wrote:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Are USians really so poor that they have to live in debt? Or are they
> > > > > >>> just greedy people that must have what they can't afford?
> > > > > >> I think we've been over this before, but my answer is: Yes.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> This is a culture that seeks contentment through possession. It's a
> > > > > >> culture that's glued to its media which, regrettably, is not Usenet, and
> > > > > >> which is financed by advertising.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> The advertising invariably shows pleasant looking people smiling with
> > > > > >> joy because the massive SUV they just bought has magically made all
> > > > > >> traffic disappear; or has teleported them to some desert where they can
> > > > > >> raise huge clouds of dust by sliding their vehicle sideways. Or perhaps
> > > > > >> their joy comes from getting their texts on an even better iPhone, for
> > > > > >> only $1000. Or their joy comes from replacing all the windows in their
> > > > > >> home,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Three months ago, early June, my Mom replaced the windows in her current house. Much better windows. Easy to open. Double pane glass for better insulation. No leaks. Definite improvement. Not sure why you would not want to do something like replacing windows in your home if it makes your life and house better. Higher resale value. Better comfort. What's not to like?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> or getting a new couch and carpet. Or from getting a new home
> > > > > >> security system to prevent all their expensive possessions from being
> > > > > >> stolen.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> People see all those handsome, smiling people in TV land and want to be
> > > > > >> just like them. When they try buying happiness that way, it's easy to
> > > > > >> get out ahead of actual cash flow. So here come the loans with easy
> > > > > >> monthly terms, or the credit card that allows you to not even think
> > > > > >> about the interest.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> (I know of a guy that does that with bicycles. He's never very happy,
> > > > > >> but he's always hoping that the _next_ bike, or handlebar, or
> > > > > >> derailleur, or crankset will bring true meaning to his life.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gosh. Can't imagine who this might be. Ha Ha.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> --
> > > > > >> - Frank Krygowski
> > > > > You do understand it, but like others in this thread, choose
> > > > > to ignore actual cost of providing the service,
> > > > > concentrating on nominal end user fee while ignoring those
> > > > > who actually bear the expense.
> > > > > --
> > > > > Andrew Muzi
> > > > > <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> > > > > Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> > > > He has claimed to have been a professional accountant and yet understands absolutely nothing about business. If I didn't know any better I would suspect that he was a teacher. And those who can't, teach.
> > > >
> > > The ideologically-inspired claim by the dimmer greenies that cost-benefit analysis is a capitalist excrescence, unnecessary in green policy like the wretched New Green Deal, has bitten them in the arse from Day One of Biden's Green Administration, exposing their destructive lack of connection to reality. It's the root cause of the growing realisation that Biden is the worst president ever. But I don't suppose any of these chumps, including the pitiable "accountant" Russell WETF, even knows what cost-benefit analysis is, never mind being able to apply it. -- AJ
> > > >
> > I don't remember the context but I had a momentary conversation with Jimmy Carter or should I say I had to sit at a table and listen to his ideas. I think that he was looking for financial support for this second run from the company I was working for. But although I was making a for tune at the time, I was married and all of my money was spent before it was brought home. At that time I was shocked that such a peanut grower could get elected. But Biden makes Carter look like an Einstein among Democrats.
> >
> I know what you mean. I was shocked that even the Donkey Party could sink so low as to nominate for President of the United States a woman who stole historical furniture from the White House. For me, a lifelong Americophile, that was a sobering, sickening perversion. -- AJ

The amazing thing is the people that the Democrats have run. Mr. Peanut at least was honest. I think that the Democrats were attempting to change their image. But they couldn't run Mr. Peanut against Reagan after the success he had in California.

On Tuesday, September 6, 2022 at 8:06:26 PM UTC+1, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 2:48:59 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> > On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 7:35:02 PM UTC+1, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 11:06:17 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> > > > On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 4:12:59 PM UTC+1, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 7:09:42 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> > > > > > On 9/4/2022 12:44 AM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > > > > On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 11:27:04 AM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > > > > > >> On 9/3/2022 2:15 AM, John B. wrote:
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Are USians really so poor that they have to live in debt? Or are they
> > > > > > >>> just greedy people that must have what they can't afford?
> > > > > > >> I think we've been over this before, but my answer is: Yes.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> This is a culture that seeks contentment through possession. It's a
> > > > > > >> culture that's glued to its media which, regrettably, is not Usenet, and
> > > > > > >> which is financed by advertising.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> The advertising invariably shows pleasant looking people smiling with
> > > > > > >> joy because the massive SUV they just bought has magically made all
> > > > > > >> traffic disappear; or has teleported them to some desert where they can
> > > > > > >> raise huge clouds of dust by sliding their vehicle sideways. Or perhaps
> > > > > > >> their joy comes from getting their texts on an even better iPhone, for
> > > > > > >> only $1000. Or their joy comes from replacing all the windows in their
> > > > > > >> home,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Three months ago, early June, my Mom replaced the windows in her current house. Much better windows. Easy to open. Double pane glass for better insulation. No leaks. Definite improvement. Not sure why you would not want to do something like replacing windows in your home if it makes your life and house better. Higher resale value. Better comfort. What's not to like?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> or getting a new couch and carpet. Or from getting a new home
> > > > > > >> security system to prevent all their expensive possessions from being
> > > > > > >> stolen.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> People see all those handsome, smiling people in TV land and want to be
> > > > > > >> just like them. When they try buying happiness that way, it's easy to
> > > > > > >> get out ahead of actual cash flow. So here come the loans with easy
> > > > > > >> monthly terms, or the credit card that allows you to not even think
> > > > > > >> about the interest.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> (I know of a guy that does that with bicycles. He's never very happy,
> > > > > > >> but he's always hoping that the _next_ bike, or handlebar, or
> > > > > > >> derailleur, or crankset will bring true meaning to his life.)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Gosh. Can't imagine who this might be. Ha Ha.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> --
> > > > > > >> - Frank Krygowski
> > > > > > You do understand it, but like others in this thread, choose
> > > > > > to ignore actual cost of providing the service,
> > > > > > concentrating on nominal end user fee while ignoring those
> > > > > > who actually bear the expense.
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Andrew Muzi
> > > > > > <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> > > > > > Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> > > > > He has claimed to have been a professional accountant and yet understands absolutely nothing about business. If I didn't know any better I would suspect that he was a teacher. And those who can't, teach.
> > > > >
> > > > The ideologically-inspired claim by the dimmer greenies that cost-benefit analysis is a capitalist excrescence, unnecessary in green policy like the wretched New Green Deal, has bitten them in the arse from Day One of Biden's Green Administration, exposing their destructive lack of connection to reality. It's the root cause of the growing realisation that Biden is the worst president ever. But I don't suppose any of these chumps, including the pitiable "accountant" Russell WETF, even knows what cost-benefit analysis is, never mind being able to apply it. -- AJ
> > > > >
> > > I don't remember the context but I had a momentary conversation with Jimmy Carter or should I say I had to sit at a table and listen to his ideas. I think that he was looking for financial support for this second run from the company I was working for. But although I was making a for tune at the time, I was married and all of my money was spent before it was brought home. At that time I was shocked that such a peanut grower could get elected. But Biden makes Carter look like an Einstein among Democrats.
> > >
> > I know what you mean. I was shocked that even the Donkey Party could sink so low as to nominate for President of the United States a woman who stole historical furniture from the White House. For me, a lifelong Americophile, that was a sobering, sickening perversion. -- AJ
> The amazing thing is the people that the Democrats have run. Mr. Peanut at least was honest. I think that the Democrats were attempting to change their image. But they couldn't run Mr. Peanut against Reagan after the success he had in California.
>
The Donkeys woulda done better to make Ma Peanut president. She'da sorted the guvmint in short order. -- AJ
>