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* OT: Coronavirus "Man Made" in Lab - the evidence mounts...Cursitor Doom
+* Re: OT: Coronavirus "Man Made" in Lab - the evidence mounts...DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
|+* Re: OT: Coronavirus "Man Made" in Lab - the evidence mounts...Ed Lee
||+* Re: OT: Coronavirus "Man Made" in Lab - the evidence mounts...Bill Sloman
|||`* Re: OT: Coronavirus "Man Made" in Lab - the evidence mounts...Ed Lee
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||| |`- Re: OT: Coronavirus "Man Made" in Lab - the evidence mounts...bitrex
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||  `- Re: OT: Coronavirus "Man Made" in Lab - the evidence mounts...DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
|`- Re: OT: Coronavirus "Man Made" in Lab - the evidence mounts...Cursitor Doom
+* Re: OT: Coronavirus "Man Made" in Lab - the evidence mounts...Fred Bloggs
|`* Re: OT: Coronavirus "Man Made" in Lab - the evidence mounts...Ed Lee
| `- Re: OT: Coronavirus "Man Made" in Lab - the evidence mounts...Fred Bloggs
+* Re: OT: Coronavirus "Man Made" in Lab - the evidence mounts...Bill Sloman
|+* Re: OT: Coronavirus "Man Made" in Lab - the evidence mounts...Cursitor Doom
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|||  | |   `* Re: OT: Coronavirus "Man Made" in Lab - the evidence mounts...Cursitor Doom
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|||  | `* Re: OT: Coronavirus "Man Made" in Lab - the evidence mounts...Flyguy
|||  |  +- Re: OT: Coronavirus "Man Made" in Lab - the evidence mounts...John Larkin
|||  |  `* Re: OT: Coronavirus "Man Made" in Lab - the evidence mounts...Bill Sloman
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||    `- Re: OT: Coronavirus "Man Made" in Lab - the evidence mounts...Cursitor Doom
|`* Re: OT: Coronavirus "Man Made" in Lab - the evidence mounts...John Doe
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|  |`* Re: OT: Coronavirus "Man Made" in Lab - the evidence mounts...Cursitor Doom
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|  | |+- Re: OT: Coronavirus "Man Made" in Lab - the evidence mounts...bitrex
|  | |`* Re: OT: Coronavirus "Man Made" in Lab - the evidence mounts...Cursitor Doom
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|  | | `* Re: OT: Coronavirus "Man Made" in Lab - the evidence mounts...bitrex
|  | |  `* Re: OT: Coronavirus "Man Made" in Lab - the evidence mounts...none
|  | |   `* Re: OT: Coronavirus "Man Made" in Lab - the evidence mounts...Ed Lee
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|  | `- Re: OT: Coronavirus "Man Made" in Lab - the evidence mounts...bitrex
|  `- Re: OT: Coronavirus "Man Made" in Lab - the evidence mounts...bitrex
+- Re: OT: Coronavirus "Man Made" in Lab - the evidence mounts...whit3rd
+- Re: OT: Coronavirus "Man Made" in Lab - the evidence mounts...none
+* Re: OT: Coronavirus "Man Made" in Lab - the evidence mounts...John Larkin
|`* Re: OT: Coronavirus "Man Made" in Lab - the evidence mounts...bitrex
| `* Re: OT: Coronavirus "Man Made" in Lab - the evidence mounts...bitrex
|  `* Re: OT: Coronavirus "Man Made" in Lab - the evidence mounts...jlarkin
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|   |`* Re: OT: Coronavirus "Man Made" in Lab - the evidence mounts...jlarkin
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|   | |+- Re: OT: Coronavirus "Man Made" in Lab - the evidence mounts...John Doe
|   | |`- Re: OT: Coronavirus "Man Made" in Lab - the evidence mounts...John Larkin
|   | `* Re: OT: Coronavirus "Man Made" in Lab - the evidence mounts...bitrex
|   |  `* Re: OT: Coronavirus "Man Made" in Lab - the evidence mounts...John Larkin
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|   |    `* Re: OT: Coronavirus "Man Made" in Lab - the evidence mounts...John Larkin
|   |     `- Re: OT: Coronavirus "Man Made" in Lab - the evidence mounts...bitrex
|   `* Re: OT: Coronavirus "Man Made" in Lab - the evidence mounts...whit3rd
|    `* Re: OT: Coronavirus "Man Made" in Lab - the evidence mounts...John Larkin
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|     | |`* Re: OT: Coronavirus "Man Made" in Lab - the evidence mounts...jlarkin
|     | +- Re: OT: Coronavirus "Man Made" in Lab - the evidence mounts...Bill Sloman
|     | `* Re: OT: Coronavirus "Man Made" in Lab - the evidence mounts...DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
|     +* Re: OT: Coronavirus "Man Made" in Lab - the evidence mounts...bitrex
|     `* Re: OT: Coronavirus "Man Made" in Lab - the evidence mounts...DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
+* Re: OT: Coronavirus "Man Made" in Lab - the evidence mounts...John Doe
+* Re: OT: Coronavirus "Man Made" in Lab - the evidence mounts...jlarkin
+* Re: OT: Coronavirus "Man Made" in Lab - the evidence mounts...Brent Locher
`* Re: OT: Coronavirus "Man Made" in Lab - the evidence mounts...Fred Bloggs

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 by: Cursitor Doom - Sun, 30 May 2021 12:49 UTC

From the source that broke the original story about the outbreak when
it first appeared in China - and got de-listed for doing so:

https://tinyurl.com/387apav3

Should we still be dealing with a state that develops bio-weapons?

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 by: Decadent...@decadence.org - Sun, 30 May 2021 13:00 UTC

TurdSipper Dumb <td@nowhere.com> wrote in
news:7827bg137pfptq7denf3t5v9c4nahpgvoi@4ax.com:

> From the source that broke the original story about the outbreak when
> it first appeared in China - and got de-listed for doing so:
>
> https://tinyurl.com/387apav3
>
> Should we still be dealing with a state that develops bio-weapons?
>

Suppose the alternative was war. Do you want tanks rolling in your
streets or nukes falling upon your cities?

Essentially the human race is doomed.

Ever see the film or read the book "The Lathe of Heaven"?

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 by: Ed Lee - Sun, 30 May 2021 13:19 UTC

On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 6:00:30 AM UTC-7, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
> TurdSipper Dumb <t...@nowhere.com> wrote in
> news:7827bg137pfptq7de...@4ax.com:
> > From the source that broke the original story about the outbreak when
> > it first appeared in China - and got de-listed for doing so:
> >
> > https://tinyurl.com/387apav3
> >
> > Should we still be dealing with a state that develops bio-weapons?
> >
> Suppose the alternative was war.

No, just one word: decoupling. Perhaps we should raise tariff to 50%.

> Do you want tanks rolling in your
> streets or nukes falling upon your cities?
>
> Essentially the human race is doomed.
>
> Ever see the film or read the book "The Lathe of Heaven"?

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 by: Fred Bloggs - Sun, 30 May 2021 13:40 UTC

On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 8:49:35 AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> From the source that broke the original story about the outbreak when
> it first appeared in China - and got de-listed for doing so:
>
> https://tinyurl.com/387apav3
>
> Should we still be dealing with a state that develops bio-weapons?

These people made it happen:
https://www.ecohealthalliance.org/program/predict

The same gain-of-function genetic engineering was being conducted in U.S. at universities in North Carolina, Georgia and Texas. They were sharing their findings, if not actual manufactured viral samples, with Wuhan. This may have a LOT to do with establishment research institutes in U.S. trying to steer the topic clear of the manmade virus. And guess who was paying for all this? Answer: NIAID. Now who is the executive director of NIAID? Answer: Fauci.

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 by: Ed Lee - Sun, 30 May 2021 13:43 UTC

On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 6:40:11 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 8:49:35 AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> > From the source that broke the original story about the outbreak when
> > it first appeared in China - and got de-listed for doing so:
> >
> > https://tinyurl.com/387apav3
> >
> > Should we still be dealing with a state that develops bio-weapons?
> These people made it happen:
> https://www.ecohealthalliance.org/program/predict
>
> The same gain-of-function genetic engineering was being conducted in U.S. at universities in North Carolina, Georgia and Texas. They were sharing their findings, if not actual manufactured viral samples, with Wuhan. This may have a LOT to do with establishment research institutes in U.S. trying to steer the topic clear of the manmade virus. And guess who was paying for all this? Answer: NIAID. Now who is the executive director of NIAID? Answer: Fauci.

Don't know what on Earth got them into funding such research. But it's like funding WHO, spend the money and learn about stupid things they do.

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On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 9:43:54 AM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
> On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 6:40:11 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 8:49:35 AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> > > From the source that broke the original story about the outbreak when
> > > it first appeared in China - and got de-listed for doing so:
> > >
> > > https://tinyurl.com/387apav3
> > >
> > > Should we still be dealing with a state that develops bio-weapons?
> > These people made it happen:
> > https://www.ecohealthalliance.org/program/predict
> >
> > The same gain-of-function genetic engineering was being conducted in U.S. at universities in North Carolina, Georgia and Texas. They were sharing their findings, if not actual manufactured viral samples, with Wuhan. This may have a LOT to do with establishment research institutes in U.S. trying to steer the topic clear of the manmade virus. And guess who was paying for all this? Answer: NIAID. Now who is the executive director of NIAID? Answer: Fauci.
> Don't know what on Earth got them into funding such research. But it's like funding WHO, spend the money and learn about stupid things they do.

It also tells you the investigation is a self-investigation, which is hardly a recipe for an unbiased and objective finding.

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On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 10:49:35 PM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> From the source that broke the original story about the outbreak when
> it first appeared in China - and got de-listed for doing so:
>
> https://tinyurl.com/387apav3

It's Zero Hedge again. A reliable source of right-wing fantasies to which Cursiotr Doom is addicted.

> Should we still be dealing with a state that develops bio-weapons?

Does Cursitor Doom's opinion on which state might have developed bio-weapons have any useful connection to reality?

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On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 11:19:54 PM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
> On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 6:00:30 AM UTC-7, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
> > TurdSipper Dumb <t...@nowhere.com> wrote in
> > news:7827bg137pfptq7de...@4ax.com:

<snip>

> No, just one word: decoupling. Perhaps we should raise tariff to 50%.

When most of the consumer goods sold in the US are made in China, that might upset the US population no end.

Even Trump wasn't silly enough to try that.

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On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 7:27:42 AM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
> On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 11:19:54 PM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 6:00:30 AM UTC-7, DecadentLinux...@decadence..org wrote:
> > > TurdSipper Dumb <t...@nowhere.com> wrote in
> > > news:7827bg137pfptq7de...@4ax.com:
> <snip>
> > No, just one word: decoupling. Perhaps we should raise tariff to 50%.
> When most of the consumer goods sold in the US are made in China, that might upset the US population no end.

I want to upset me. As a consumer, CCP goods from labor camps are still too cheap to resist. I am waiting for my PCB shipment from there. I want the US government to stop me. If i have to pay more, i will. But if other people are buying from labor camps, why not me?

> Even Trump wasn't silly enough to try that.

He was silly not to do more. I am not a fan of Trump, but he did something right.

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 by: Bill Sloman - Sun, 30 May 2021 14:54 UTC

On Monday, May 31, 2021 at 12:33:12 AM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
> On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 7:27:42 AM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 11:19:54 PM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
> > > On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 6:00:30 AM UTC-7, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
> > > > TurdSipper Dumb <t...@nowhere.com> wrote in
> > > > news:7827bg137pfptq7de...@4ax.com:
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > > No, just one word: decoupling. Perhaps we should raise tariff to 50%.
> > When most of the consumer goods sold in the US are made in China, that might upset the US population no end.
>
> I want to upset me. As a consumer, CCP goods from labor camps are still too cheap to resist. I am waiting for my PCB shipment from there. I want the US government to stop me. If i have to pay more, i will. But if other people are buying from labor camps, why not me?

The goods don't seem to come from labour camps. You can't get the quality you need from that kind of labour. Chinese factories aren't fun places to work, but it beats doing farm labour, and even the Chinese have sarted to get into mechanised farming, so there's not as many farm labouring jobs around as there used to be.

> > Even Trump wasn't silly enough to try that.
>
> He was silly not to do more. I am not a fan of Trump, but he did something right.

You are a fan of whole bunch of right-wing nutcases - Steve Bannon would be one of them. Bannon "advised" Trump for a while, until even Trump had enough sense to notice that Bannon was upsetting too many of his more rational advisors.

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 by: Ed Lee - Sun, 30 May 2021 15:04 UTC

On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 7:54:04 AM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
> On Monday, May 31, 2021 at 12:33:12 AM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 7:27:42 AM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
> > > On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 11:19:54 PM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 6:00:30 AM UTC-7, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
> > > > > TurdSipper Dumb <t...@nowhere.com> wrote in
> > > > > news:7827bg137pfptq7de...@4ax.com:
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > > > No, just one word: decoupling. Perhaps we should raise tariff to 50%.
> > > When most of the consumer goods sold in the US are made in China, that might upset the US population no end.
> >
> > I want to upset me. As a consumer, CCP goods from labor camps are still too cheap to resist. I am waiting for my PCB shipment from there. I want the US government to stop me. If i have to pay more, i will. But if other people are buying from labor camps, why not me?
> The goods don't seem to come from labour camps. You can't get the quality you need from that kind of labour. Chinese factories aren't fun places to work, but it beats doing farm labour, and even the Chinese have sarted to get into mechanised farming, so there's not as many farm labouring jobs around as there used to be.

Labor camps contribute to the entire ecology. Regular factories aren't fun to work in, and they can always quit. Labor camps are hell to work in, and they cannot quit. We should send you to the labor camp to try out.

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 by: bitrex - Sun, 30 May 2021 16:07 UTC

On 5/30/2021 10:33 AM, Ed Lee wrote:
> On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 7:27:42 AM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
>> On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 11:19:54 PM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
>>> On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 6:00:30 AM UTC-7, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
>>>> TurdSipper Dumb <t...@nowhere.com> wrote in
>>>> news:7827bg137pfptq7de...@4ax.com:
>> <snip>
>>> No, just one word: decoupling. Perhaps we should raise tariff to 50%.
>> When most of the consumer goods sold in the US are made in China, that might upset the US population no end.
>
> I want to upset me. As a consumer, CCP goods from labor camps are still too cheap to resist. I am waiting for my PCB shipment from there. I want the US government to stop me.

Famous last words...

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 by: bitrex - Sun, 30 May 2021 16:08 UTC

On 5/30/2021 10:54 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
> On Monday, May 31, 2021 at 12:33:12 AM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
>> On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 7:27:42 AM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>> On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 11:19:54 PM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 6:00:30 AM UTC-7, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
>>>>> TurdSipper Dumb <t...@nowhere.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:7827bg137pfptq7de...@4ax.com:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> No, just one word: decoupling. Perhaps we should raise tariff to 50%.
>>> When most of the consumer goods sold in the US are made in China, that might upset the US population no end.
>>
>> I want to upset me. As a consumer, CCP goods from labor camps are still too cheap to resist. I am waiting for my PCB shipment from there. I want the US government to stop me. If i have to pay more, i will. But if other people are buying from labor camps, why not me?
>
> The goods don't seem to come from labour camps. You can't get the quality you need from that kind of labour. Chinese factories aren't fun places to work, but it beats doing farm labour, and even the Chinese have sarted to get into mechanised farming, so there's not as many farm labouring jobs around as there used to be.
>
>>> Even Trump wasn't silly enough to try that.
>>
>> He was silly not to do more. I am not a fan of Trump, but he did something right.
>
> You are a fan of whole bunch of right-wing nutcases - Steve Bannon would be one of them. Bannon "advised" Trump for a while, until even Trump had enough sense to notice that Bannon was upsetting too many of his more rational advisors.
>

Ed Lee is like an alcoholic waiting for someone to stop his drinking.

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 by: Cursitor Doom - Sun, 30 May 2021 17:10 UTC

On Sun, 30 May 2021 13:00:24 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

>TurdSipper Dumb <td@nowhere.com> wrote in
>news:7827bg137pfptq7denf3t5v9c4nahpgvoi@4ax.com:
>
>> From the source that broke the original story about the outbreak when
>> it first appeared in China - and got de-listed for doing so:
>>
>> https://tinyurl.com/387apav3
>>
>> Should we still be dealing with a state that develops bio-weapons?
>>
>
> Suppose the alternative was war. Do you want tanks rolling in your
>streets or nukes falling upon your cities?

So you prefer appeasement?
I've been keeping a very close eye on China for the last 40+ years. I
saw this threat evolving a long, long time ago. One day we will have
to deal with China. It should have been dealt with many years ago, but
there was a sense among our illustrious leaders that reform would come
through trade and engagement. It hasn't and never will. China is a
menace and the number 1 threat to world peace going forward.

> Essentially the human race is doomed.

Not necessarily and it certainly doesn't require us to throw in the
towel.

> Ever see the film or read the book "The Lathe of Heaven"?

Nope, but I'll check it out. Title sounds compelling at any rate.

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 by: Cursitor Doom - Sun, 30 May 2021 17:30 UTC

On Sun, 30 May 2021 07:23:28 -0700 (PDT), Bill Sloman
<bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

>On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 10:49:35 PM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> From the source that broke the original story about the outbreak when
>> it first appeared in China - and got de-listed for doing so:
>>
>> https://tinyurl.com/387apav3
>
>It's Zero Hedge again. A reliable source of right-wing fantasies to which Cursiotr Doom is addicted.

The fact of the matter is that ZH broke the story before anyone else.
They even streamed live video of a doctor from Wuhn pleading with us
into his cell phone to warn the world of what was coming whilst the
Chinese police kicked his apartment door in behind him. A very brave
man indeed who instantly disappeared without trace. Nothing is known
of his fate. And all YOU can do is disparage and poor scorn in an
effort to negate his sacrifice with your customary 'nothing to see
here' attempts at white-washing and defending the indefensible. You
have no shame, Bill Sloman. NO SHAME.

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 by: Bill Sloman - Mon, 31 May 2021 02:44 UTC

On Monday, May 31, 2021 at 1:04:22 AM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
> On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 7:54:04 AM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
> > On Monday, May 31, 2021 at 12:33:12 AM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
> > > On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 7:27:42 AM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 11:19:54 PM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 6:00:30 AM UTC-7, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
> > > > > > TurdSipper Dumb <t...@nowhere.com> wrote in
> > > > > > news:7827bg137pfptq7de...@4ax.com:
> > > >
> > > > <snip>
> > > >
> > > > > No, just one word: decoupling. Perhaps we should raise tariff to 50%.
> > > > When most of the consumer goods sold in the US are made in China, that might upset the US population no end.
> > >
> > > I want to upset me. As a consumer, CCP goods from labor camps are still too cheap to resist. I am waiting for my PCB shipment from there. I want the US government to stop me. If i have to pay more, i will. But if other people are buying from labor camps, why not me?
> > The goods don't seem to come from labour camps. You can't get the quality you need from that kind of labour. Chinese factories aren't fun places to work, but it beats doing farm labour, and even the Chinese have sarted to get into mechanised farming, so there's not as many farm labouring jobs around as there used to be.
>
> Labor camps contribute to the entire ecology.

They may exist, but there aren't many of them, and they don't seem to be exploited as production centres. Your ideas are essentially right-wing fantasies.

> Regular factories aren't fun to work in, and they can always quit. Labor camps are hell to work in, and they cannot quit.

That means that they need loads of non-productive guards to keep the inmates present and working, which makes them absurdly expensive as a means of production

> We should send you to the labor camp to try out.

Quite a lot has been written on the subject, and you don't seem to have read - or at any rate comprehended - any of it. You may be i more need of hand-on experience than I am.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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 by: Bill Sloman - Mon, 31 May 2021 02:58 UTC

On Monday, May 31, 2021 at 3:30:28 AM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> On Sun, 30 May 2021 07:23:28 -0700 (PDT), Bill Sloman
> <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 10:49:35 PM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> >> From the source that broke the original story about the outbreak when
> >> it first appeared in China - and got de-listed for doing so:
> >>
> >> https://tinyurl.com/387apav3
> >
> >It's Zero Hedge again. A reliable source of right-wing fantasies to which Cursiotr Doom is addicted.
>
> The fact of the matter is that ZH broke the story before anyone else.

They didn't need to wait for reporters to come up with any facts - which are remarkably thin on the ground. They were free to immediately invent stuff which would appeal to their remarkably gullible target audience, which does seem to include you.

> They even streamed live video of a doctor from Wuhn pleading with us into his cell phone to warn the world of what was coming whilst the Chinese police kicked his apartment door in behind him. A very brave man indeed who instantly disappeared without trace. Nothing is known of his fate.

The kinds of actor willing to perform in propaganda video's do maintain their anonymity.

You are probably thinking of the Wuhan eye specialist who circulated a warning that Covid-9 was looking very like an epidemic before the Chinese authorities had made up their minds on the subject, and got censured for it. He died a few weeks later of Covid-19, so his fate is known - if not to twits like you.

> And all YOU can do is disparage and poor scorn in an effort to negate his sacrifice with your customary 'nothing to see here' attempts at white-washing and defending the indefensible.

Since your story is an obvious fiction - jazzed up to maximise its appeal to twits like you - pouring scorn on it is entirely appropriate.

>You have no shame, Bill Sloman. NO SHAME.

Why should I? There's nothing shameful about pointing out that obvious twits like you are falling for propaganda travesties, and trying to make a virtue of their fatuous gullibity.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote in
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> No, just one word: decoupling. Perhaps we should raise tariff to
> 50%.
>

You are an abject idiot. Your phone would cost $5k and you would not
even be able to afford your PC. Much less your shoes.

Your fucking brain is decoupled from reality.

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Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote in
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> Labor camps contribute to the entire ecology. Regular factories
> aren't fun to work in, and they can always quit. Labor camps are
> hell to work in, and they cannot quit. We should send you to the
> labor camp to try out.
>
>

PCB boards are NOT made in labor camps, you retarded fucking bent
brained dumbfuck.

Reality a decade ago was great to work in.

The fantasy bullshit Trump caused is hell to work around with stupid
fucks like you who have embraced his bullshit non-grasp of world
economics, and sadly he does know more than a putz like you does. So
that puts you even farther down the left side of the bell curve than
Trump is. Whether you claim to support the stupid fuck or not,
expounding his bullshit makes you just as bad.

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 by: Ed Lee - Mon, 31 May 2021 03:10 UTC

On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 8:00:16 PM UTC-7, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
> Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:dc6c5498-5b0a-4574...@googlegroups.com:
> > No, just one word: decoupling. Perhaps we should raise tariff to
> > 50%.
> >
> You are an abject idiot. Your phone would cost $5k and you would not
> even be able to afford your PC. Much less your shoes.

I have more than enough phones, PCs and laptops. Thank you.

So, for cheap stuff. You don't care how they treat the human being making them. I don't have to repeat what kind of person you are. We all know.

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On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 5:49:35 AM UTC-7, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> From the source that broke the original story about the outbreak when
> it first appeared in China - and got de-listed for doing so:
>
> https://tinyurl.com/387apav3

First problem: this is about a prepublication, the experts haven't seen the details.
.... but reporters with text skills and sensationalizing savvy have had their
way with it.

Second problem: talk of 'fingerprints' is misleading; viruses swap little codons
all the time, but fingerprints are yours for a human lifetime. The statistical
significance of fragments is uncertain, and the origin is completely guesswork.

Third problem: there's multiple conspiracy theories, all different, that could
claim this as 'evidence' of something. That's depressingly unlikely to
clarify ANYTHING. The phrase "a laboratory manipulation" points at
all laboratories, and nothing more specific is mentioned. So, do all the world's
virologists and virology groups have to pass a purity test? Or do we have to
include other labs?

> Should we still be dealing with a state that develops bio-weapons?

No state is indicated by any of this 'science', so you can fill in your favorite culprit.
Cute. Not very diplomatic, though.

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 by: Bill Sloman - Mon, 31 May 2021 05:07 UTC

On Monday, May 31, 2021 at 1:10:08 PM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
> On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 8:00:16 PM UTC-7, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
> > Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote in
> > news:dc6c5498-5b0a-4574...@googlegroups.com:
> > > No, just one word: decoupling. Perhaps we should raise tariff to
> > > 50%.
> > >
> > You are an abject idiot. Your phone would cost $5k and you would not
> > even be able to afford your PC. Much less your shoes.
>
> I have more than enough phones, PCs and laptops. Thank you.
>
> So, for cheap stuff. You don't care how they treat the human being making them. I don't have to repeat what kind of person you are. We all know.

Not as gullible, or as right-wing as Ed Lee. That's a positive, if not a particularly dramatic, approbation. About 95% of the population qualifies for it.

China does treat the bulk of it's population well enough to keep them happy - not all that happy, but they aren't starving and they do have some Western level consumer goods. Their scholars go overseas to get educated, and frequently go home again to share the fruits of their education with the society that they regard as theirs.
They aren't entirely happy with it, but even Americans and Australians have reservations about some aspects of their societies.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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 by: Cursitor Doom - Mon, 31 May 2021 09:25 UTC

On Sun, 30 May 2021 19:44:21 -0700 (PDT), Bill Sloman
<bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

>On Monday, May 31, 2021 at 1:04:22 AM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
>> On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 7:54:04 AM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
>> > On Monday, May 31, 2021 at 12:33:12 AM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
>> > > On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 7:27:42 AM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
>> > > > On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 11:19:54 PM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
>> > > > > On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 6:00:30 AM UTC-7, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
>> > > > > > TurdSipper Dumb <t...@nowhere.com> wrote in
>> > > > > > news:7827bg137pfptq7de...@4ax.com:
>> > > >
>> > > > <snip>
>> > > >
>> > > > > No, just one word: decoupling. Perhaps we should raise tariff to 50%.
>> > > > When most of the consumer goods sold in the US are made in China, that might upset the US population no end.
>> > >
>> > > I want to upset me. As a consumer, CCP goods from labor camps are still too cheap to resist. I am waiting for my PCB shipment from there. I want the US government to stop me. If i have to pay more, i will. But if other people are buying from labor camps, why not me?
>> > The goods don't seem to come from labour camps. You can't get the quality you need from that kind of labour. Chinese factories aren't fun places to work, but it beats doing farm labour, and even the Chinese have sarted to get into mechanised farming, so there's not as many farm labouring jobs around as there used to be.
>>
>> Labor camps contribute to the entire ecology.
>
>They may exist, but there aren't many of them, and they don't seem to be exploited as production centres. Your ideas are essentially right-wing fantasies.
>
>> Regular factories aren't fun to work in, and they can always quit. Labor camps are hell to work in, and they cannot quit.
>
>That means that they need loads of non-productive guards to keep the inmates present and working, which makes them absurdly expensive as a means of production
>

A regime that charges the familes of the convicts it executes the cost
of the ammunition isn't likely to fail to exploit the value of its
prisioners to the maximum extent.
--

Britain: do the right thing and hand Australia back to China.

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 by: Cursitor Doom - Mon, 31 May 2021 09:28 UTC

On Sun, 30 May 2021 19:58:14 -0700 (PDT), Bill Sloman
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>Why should I? There's nothing shameful about pointing out that obvious twits like you are falling for propaganda travesties, and trying to make a virtue of their fatuous gullibity.

Like I said: NO SHAME.
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In article <7827bg137pfptq7denf3t5v9c4nahpgvoi@4ax.com>,
Cursitor Doom <cd@nospam.net> wrote:
>From the source that broke the original story about the outbreak when
>it first appeared in China - and got de-listed for doing so:
>
>https://tinyurl.com/387apav3
>
>Should we still be dealing with a state that develops bio-weapons?

It is appalling that after regulations forbade this kind of research
on USA soil ("enhancement research") the US had it done in a
development/low-wage/low-regulations country (China)
without enforcing the regulations that would apply if it where
in the US.

So yes the US should abandon its one-party 1] state and try some real
democracy. The US is military superior to the rest of the world and
could forego pushing up military spending, including bio weapons.

One interesting result emerges. It is clear that the USA is not
ready to meet an attack with bio-weapons, while China probably is.

1] One party with two wings.

Groetjes Albert
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