On Fri, 23 Sep 2022 07:49:45 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 9/22/2022 9:26 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Thu, 22 Sep 2022 20:38:28 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/22/2022 6:00 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 22 Sep 2022 15:07:36 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/22/2022 2:53 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 7:34:47 AM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 22 Sep 2022 09:11:24 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Naturally, bystanders lambaste and insult NYC cops.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://nypost.com/2022/09/21/atv-runs-red-light-slams-into-cyclist-in-the-bronx/
>>>>>>> Blue lives matter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Very much of this comes from the loss of confidence in the justice system and it isn't the justice system that is bad but an entire generation of leftist millennials who were brought up through an education system that taught them that the free enterprise system was unfair because you had to work to succeed. Most of these spoiled little brats don't want to work even when a rather large percentage of them could succeed. My step-son now has his PhD and is a manager at a major aerospace firm in San Diego fighting to stay in business because they cannot find people that are willing to work. ALL of the step-kids have become successful simply because they are willing to work for what they want.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fully a third of the millennials want communism here in the US because teachers and professors never once explained the absolute failures of communism and how millions of people were murdered by the communists for little more than the fun of it. These millennials are vastly outnumbered here in the US and who do you suppose is going to come out with the shitty side of the stick when they start their efforts to install communism here?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is largely driven though by George Soros who makes his money destroying countries. This is a mental problem but no one calls him out on it and he finances the election of extreme left city officials across the nation. The stupid six are delighted to see the failing of America until it effects them personally. At that time it is bad. This is why you see them calling the movement of illegals into their own neighborhoods as bad while the open borders is good.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Flunky tellls us he rides bikes. If so why doesn't he ever have anything to say about bikes? The same with our queer contributor, Russell Seaton. We know that Krygowski's idea of a bicycle ride is the 5 or 6 mile evening ride and Liebermann and Slocum do not ride bikes at all. Since they're both dying I suppose we can forgive them not riding but why do they feel the need to put their two cents (which are worthless under Biden's inflation) in on everything? People who used to ride are only of worth if they have something to add and not one of these do. They are the embodiment of civil unrest and they are the ones that will suffer from it. Unlike Soros they don't have heavily armed guards protecting them around the clock. They bring death to themselves by their own hands
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That started out pretty well and the sailed off
>>>>> to...somewhere else entirely although I have no idea where.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which is a trending thing this week:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://nypost.com/2022/09/21/biden-started-strong-at-un-then-bumbled-his-way-into-woke-irrelevance/
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you have any plans for autumn of 2024?
>>>>
>>>> Well, there is still hope. The Demo's introduced a bill that aimed to
>>>> combat “dark money” in United States elections by making it mandatory
>>>> for political organizations to disclose big donors.
>>>> And the Repubs skillfully blocked it.
>>>>
>>>> But unfortunately the Courts ruled that if Trump wants to claim that
>>>> FBI might have planted documents during search of Mar-a-Lago last
>>>> month., he's got to prove it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> In re disclosing names of donors to nonprofit groups:
>>>
>>> https://h2o.law.harvard.edu/cases/889
>>>
>>> Review the arguments and I think you'll agree that case was
>>> rightly decided. Neither the Constitution nor the principles
>>> have changed.
>>
>> Ah But... You live in the U.S. and the courts seem to be quite capable
>> in changing laws that have been in previously agreed upon as
>> legitimate to now be illegitimate.
>> The recent turnabout in the Federal Court decision on the Abortion
>> laws as one example (:-)
>>
>Not the only instance. Roe was wrongly decided even as many
>preferred the policy result. Even Ms Ginsburg wrote and
>lectured on that point and even as she advocated some other
>arguments for her preferred result. But at the end of the
>day it was an error and was reversed. Read the Dobbs
>arguments and I doubt you'll disagree. You may prefer the
>policy result but The Supremes are not charged with
>political or policy responsibility, only with application of
>the Constitution and statutes as written.
>
>In re The Court, it's high time they took up some of the
>many /coram nobis/ petitions regarding Yasui, Korematsu and
>Hirabayashi and finally reverse all three.
>
>https://iexaminer.org/announcement-hirabayashi-yasui-korematsu-families-file-brief-in-supreme-court-in-opposition-to-travel-ban/

But had the Japanese brought their claim to the court during the
period of imprisonment (I'm guessing here) their claim might even been
refused to be heard.

In fact, reading newspaper accounts, of the time, had someone said
"Shoot 'em" it looks like the news, at least, would have applauded the
idea.

"What's right" seems to vary greatly depending upon when it occurs.

--
Cheers,

John B.

On 9/23/2022 6:57 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Sep 2022 07:49:45 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 9/22/2022 9:26 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Thu, 22 Sep 2022 20:38:28 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/22/2022 6:00 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 22 Sep 2022 15:07:36 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/22/2022 2:53 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 7:34:47 AM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 22 Sep 2022 09:11:24 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Naturally, bystanders lambaste and insult NYC cops.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://nypost.com/2022/09/21/atv-runs-red-light-slams-into-cyclist-in-the-bronx/
>>>>>>>> Blue lives matter.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Very much of this comes from the loss of confidence in the justice system and it isn't the justice system that is bad but an entire generation of leftist millennials who were brought up through an education system that taught them that the free enterprise system was unfair because you had to work to succeed. Most of these spoiled little brats don't want to work even when a rather large percentage of them could succeed. My step-son now has his PhD and is a manager at a major aerospace firm in San Diego fighting to stay in business because they cannot find people that are willing to work. ALL of the step-kids have become successful simply because they are willing to work for what they want.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fully a third of the millennials want communism here in the US because teachers and professors never once explained the absolute failures of communism and how millions of people were murdered by the communists for little more than the fun of it. These millennials are vastly outnumbered here in the US and who do you suppose is going to come out with the shitty side of the stick when they start their efforts to install communism here?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is largely driven though by George Soros who makes his money destroying countries. This is a mental problem but no one calls him out on it and he finances the election of extreme left city officials across the nation. The stupid six are delighted to see the failing of America until it effects them personally. At that time it is bad. This is why you see them calling the movement of illegals into their own neighborhoods as bad while the open borders is good.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Flunky tellls us he rides bikes. If so why doesn't he ever have anything to say about bikes? The same with our queer contributor, Russell Seaton. We know that Krygowski's idea of a bicycle ride is the 5 or 6 mile evening ride and Liebermann and Slocum do not ride bikes at all. Since they're both dying I suppose we can forgive them not riding but why do they feel the need to put their two cents (which are worthless under Biden's inflation) in on everything? People who used to ride are only of worth if they have something to add and not one of these do. They are the embodiment of civil unrest and they are the ones that will suffer from it. Unlike Soros they don't have heavily armed guards protecting them around the clock. They bring death to themselves by their own hands
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That started out pretty well and the sailed off
>>>>>> to...somewhere else entirely although I have no idea where.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which is a trending thing this week:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://nypost.com/2022/09/21/biden-started-strong-at-un-then-bumbled-his-way-into-woke-irrelevance/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you have any plans for autumn of 2024?
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, there is still hope. The Demo's introduced a bill that aimed to
>>>>> combat “dark money” in United States elections by making it mandatory
>>>>> for political organizations to disclose big donors.
>>>>> And the Repubs skillfully blocked it.
>>>>>
>>>>> But unfortunately the Courts ruled that if Trump wants to claim that
>>>>> FBI might have planted documents during search of Mar-a-Lago last
>>>>> month., he's got to prove it.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In re disclosing names of donors to nonprofit groups:
>>>>
>>>> https://h2o.law.harvard.edu/cases/889
>>>>
>>>> Review the arguments and I think you'll agree that case was
>>>> rightly decided. Neither the Constitution nor the principles
>>>> have changed.
>>>
>>> Ah But... You live in the U.S. and the courts seem to be quite capable
>>> in changing laws that have been in previously agreed upon as
>>> legitimate to now be illegitimate.
>>> The recent turnabout in the Federal Court decision on the Abortion
>>> laws as one example (:-)
>>>
>> Not the only instance. Roe was wrongly decided even as many
>> preferred the policy result. Even Ms Ginsburg wrote and
>> lectured on that point and even as she advocated some other
>> arguments for her preferred result. But at the end of the
>> day it was an error and was reversed. Read the Dobbs
>> arguments and I doubt you'll disagree. You may prefer the
>> policy result but The Supremes are not charged with
>> political or policy responsibility, only with application of
>> the Constitution and statutes as written.
>>
>> In re The Court, it's high time they took up some of the
>> many /coram nobis/ petitions regarding Yasui, Korematsu and
>> Hirabayashi and finally reverse all three.
>>
>> https://iexaminer.org/announcement-hirabayashi-yasui-korematsu-families-file-brief-in-supreme-court-in-opposition-to-travel-ban/
>
> But had the Japanese brought their claim to the court during the
> period of imprisonment (I'm guessing here) their claim might even been
> refused to be heard.
>
> In fact, reading newspaper accounts, of the time, had someone said
> "Shoot 'em" it looks like the news, at least, would have applauded the
> idea.
>
> "What's right" seems to vary greatly depending upon when it occurs.
>

I knew Mr Yasui, an American born law school graduate
recently admitted to the Oregon bar in 1941.

On reading of the discriminatory curfew for people of
Japanese heritage, including American natural born citizens,
he promptly set out to get himself arrested in order to file
a test case, believing in his heart that the orders were
unconstitutional and trusting the courts to affirm that.

After being brushed off all night by several Portland
officers, many of whom knew him, he was finally arrested
early the next day and spent the early years of the war in
Multnomah County solitary confinement while defending
himself until his case wended its way to The Supremes.

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/320/115/

It's as indefensible as Dred Scott or Plessy. And yet the
decision stands.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Fri, 23 Sep 2022 19:53:46 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 9/23/2022 6:57 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Fri, 23 Sep 2022 07:49:45 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/22/2022 9:26 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 22 Sep 2022 20:38:28 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/22/2022 6:00 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 22 Sep 2022 15:07:36 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/22/2022 2:53 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 7:34:47 AM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 22 Sep 2022 09:11:24 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Naturally, bystanders lambaste and insult NYC cops.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://nypost.com/2022/09/21/atv-runs-red-light-slams-into-cyclist-in-the-bronx/
>>>>>>>>> Blue lives matter.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Very much of this comes from the loss of confidence in the justice system and it isn't the justice system that is bad but an entire generation of leftist millennials who were brought up through an education system that taught them that the free enterprise system was unfair because you had to work to succeed. Most of these spoiled little brats don't want to work even when a rather large percentage of them could succeed. My step-son now has his PhD and is a manager at a major aerospace firm in San Diego fighting to stay in business because they cannot find people that are willing to work. ALL of the step-kids have become successful simply because they are willing to work for what they want.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Fully a third of the millennials want communism here in the US because teachers and professors never once explained the absolute failures of communism and how millions of people were murdered by the communists for little more than the fun of it. These millennials are vastly outnumbered here in the US and who do you suppose is going to come out with the shitty side of the stick when they start their efforts to install communism here?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is largely driven though by George Soros who makes his money destroying countries. This is a mental problem but no one calls him out on it and he finances the election of extreme left city officials across the nation. The stupid six are delighted to see the failing of America until it effects them personally. At that time it is bad. This is why you see them calling the movement of illegals into their own neighborhoods as bad while the open borders is good.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Flunky tellls us he rides bikes. If so why doesn't he ever have anything to say about bikes? The same with our queer contributor, Russell Seaton. We know that Krygowski's idea of a bicycle ride is the 5 or 6 mile evening ride and Liebermann and Slocum do not ride bikes at all. Since they're both dying I suppose we can forgive them not riding but why do they feel the need to put their two cents (which are worthless under Biden's inflation) in on everything? People who used to ride are only of worth if they have something to add and not one of these do. They are the embodiment of civil unrest and they are the ones that will suffer from it. Unlike Soros they don't have heavily armed guards protecting them around the clock. They bring death to themselves by their own hands
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That started out pretty well and the sailed off
>>>>>>> to...somewhere else entirely although I have no idea where.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Which is a trending thing this week:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://nypost.com/2022/09/21/biden-started-strong-at-un-then-bumbled-his-way-into-woke-irrelevance/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you have any plans for autumn of 2024?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, there is still hope. The Demo's introduced a bill that aimed to
>>>>>> combat “dark money” in United States elections by making it mandatory
>>>>>> for political organizations to disclose big donors.
>>>>>> And the Repubs skillfully blocked it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But unfortunately the Courts ruled that if Trump wants to claim that
>>>>>> FBI might have planted documents during search of Mar-a-Lago last
>>>>>> month., he's got to prove it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In re disclosing names of donors to nonprofit groups:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://h2o.law.harvard.edu/cases/889
>>>>>
>>>>> Review the arguments and I think you'll agree that case was
>>>>> rightly decided. Neither the Constitution nor the principles
>>>>> have changed.
>>>>
>>>> Ah But... You live in the U.S. and the courts seem to be quite capable
>>>> in changing laws that have been in previously agreed upon as
>>>> legitimate to now be illegitimate.
>>>> The recent turnabout in the Federal Court decision on the Abortion
>>>> laws as one example (:-)
>>>>
>>> Not the only instance. Roe was wrongly decided even as many
>>> preferred the policy result. Even Ms Ginsburg wrote and
>>> lectured on that point and even as she advocated some other
>>> arguments for her preferred result. But at the end of the
>>> day it was an error and was reversed. Read the Dobbs
>>> arguments and I doubt you'll disagree. You may prefer the
>>> policy result but The Supremes are not charged with
>>> political or policy responsibility, only with application of
>>> the Constitution and statutes as written.
>>>
>>> In re The Court, it's high time they took up some of the
>>> many /coram nobis/ petitions regarding Yasui, Korematsu and
>>> Hirabayashi and finally reverse all three.
>>>
>>> https://iexaminer.org/announcement-hirabayashi-yasui-korematsu-families-file-brief-in-supreme-court-in-opposition-to-travel-ban/
>>
>> But had the Japanese brought their claim to the court during the
>> period of imprisonment (I'm guessing here) their claim might even been
>> refused to be heard.
>>
>> In fact, reading newspaper accounts, of the time, had someone said
>> "Shoot 'em" it looks like the news, at least, would have applauded the
>> idea.
>>
>> "What's right" seems to vary greatly depending upon when it occurs.
>>
>
>I knew Mr Yasui, an American born law school graduate
>recently admitted to the Oregon bar in 1941.
>
>On reading of the discriminatory curfew for people of
>Japanese heritage, including American natural born citizens,
>he promptly set out to get himself arrested in order to file
>a test case, believing in his heart that the orders were
>unconstitutional and trusting the courts to affirm that.
>
>After being brushed off all night by several Portland
>officers, many of whom knew him, he was finally arrested
>early the next day and spent the early years of the war in
>Multnomah County solitary confinement while defending
>himself until his case wended its way to The Supremes.
>
>https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/320/115/
>
>It's as indefensible as Dred Scott or Plessy. And yet the
>decision stands.

But as I said, at the time it was legal. In fact on December 18, 1944,
the Supreme Court handed down two decisions on the legality of the
incarceration under Executive Order 9066. Korematsu v. United States,
a 6–3 decision upholding a Nisei's conviction for violating the
military exclusion order, stated that, in general, the removal of
Japanese Americans from the West Coast was constitutional.

"Nisei", a designation for second generation Japanese born in the
U.S., A U.S. citizen who's parent(s) were native Japanese.

--
Cheers,

John B.

On 9/23/2022 8:49 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Sep 2022 19:53:46 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 9/23/2022 6:57 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Fri, 23 Sep 2022 07:49:45 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/22/2022 9:26 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 22 Sep 2022 20:38:28 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/22/2022 6:00 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 22 Sep 2022 15:07:36 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 9/22/2022 2:53 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 7:34:47 AM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 22 Sep 2022 09:11:24 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Naturally, bystanders lambaste and insult NYC cops.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://nypost.com/2022/09/21/atv-runs-red-light-slams-into-cyclist-in-the-bronx/
>>>>>>>>>> Blue lives matter.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Very much of this comes from the loss of confidence in the justice system and it isn't the justice system that is bad but an entire generation of leftist millennials who were brought up through an education system that taught them that the free enterprise system was unfair because you had to work to succeed. Most of these spoiled little brats don't want to work even when a rather large percentage of them could succeed. My step-son now has his PhD and is a manager at a major aerospace firm in San Diego fighting to stay in business because they cannot find people that are willing to work. ALL of the step-kids have become successful simply because they are willing to work for what they want.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Fully a third of the millennials want communism here in the US because teachers and professors never once explained the absolute failures of communism and how millions of people were murdered by the communists for little more than the fun of it. These millennials are vastly outnumbered here in the US and who do you suppose is going to come out with the shitty side of the stick when they start their efforts to install communism here?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is largely driven though by George Soros who makes his money destroying countries. This is a mental problem but no one calls him out on it and he finances the election of extreme left city officials across the nation. The stupid six are delighted to see the failing of America until it effects them personally. At that time it is bad. This is why you see them calling the movement of illegals into their own neighborhoods as bad while the open borders is good.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Flunky tellls us he rides bikes. If so why doesn't he ever have anything to say about bikes? The same with our queer contributor, Russell Seaton. We know that Krygowski's idea of a bicycle ride is the 5 or 6 mile evening ride and Liebermann and Slocum do not ride bikes at all. Since they're both dying I suppose we can forgive them not riding but why do they feel the need to put their two cents (which are worthless under Biden's inflation) in on everything? People who used to ride are only of worth if they have something to add and not one of these do. They are the embodiment of civil unrest and they are the ones that will suffer from it. Unlike Soros they don't have heavily armed guards protecting them around the clock. They bring death to themselves by their own hands
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That started out pretty well and the sailed off
>>>>>>>> to...somewhere else entirely although I have no idea where.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Which is a trending thing this week:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://nypost.com/2022/09/21/biden-started-strong-at-un-then-bumbled-his-way-into-woke-irrelevance/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do you have any plans for autumn of 2024?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, there is still hope. The Demo's introduced a bill that aimed to
>>>>>>> combat “dark money” in United States elections by making it mandatory
>>>>>>> for political organizations to disclose big donors.
>>>>>>> And the Repubs skillfully blocked it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But unfortunately the Courts ruled that if Trump wants to claim that
>>>>>>> FBI might have planted documents during search of Mar-a-Lago last
>>>>>>> month., he's got to prove it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In re disclosing names of donors to nonprofit groups:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://h2o.law.harvard.edu/cases/889
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Review the arguments and I think you'll agree that case was
>>>>>> rightly decided. Neither the Constitution nor the principles
>>>>>> have changed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah But... You live in the U.S. and the courts seem to be quite capable
>>>>> in changing laws that have been in previously agreed upon as
>>>>> legitimate to now be illegitimate.
>>>>> The recent turnabout in the Federal Court decision on the Abortion
>>>>> laws as one example (:-)
>>>>>
>>>> Not the only instance. Roe was wrongly decided even as many
>>>> preferred the policy result. Even Ms Ginsburg wrote and
>>>> lectured on that point and even as she advocated some other
>>>> arguments for her preferred result. But at the end of the
>>>> day it was an error and was reversed. Read the Dobbs
>>>> arguments and I doubt you'll disagree. You may prefer the
>>>> policy result but The Supremes are not charged with
>>>> political or policy responsibility, only with application of
>>>> the Constitution and statutes as written.
>>>>
>>>> In re The Court, it's high time they took up some of the
>>>> many /coram nobis/ petitions regarding Yasui, Korematsu and
>>>> Hirabayashi and finally reverse all three.
>>>>
>>>> https://iexaminer.org/announcement-hirabayashi-yasui-korematsu-families-file-brief-in-supreme-court-in-opposition-to-travel-ban/
>>>
>>> But had the Japanese brought their claim to the court during the
>>> period of imprisonment (I'm guessing here) their claim might even been
>>> refused to be heard.
>>>
>>> In fact, reading newspaper accounts, of the time, had someone said
>>> "Shoot 'em" it looks like the news, at least, would have applauded the
>>> idea.
>>>
>>> "What's right" seems to vary greatly depending upon when it occurs.
>>>
>>
>> I knew Mr Yasui, an American born law school graduate
>> recently admitted to the Oregon bar in 1941.
>>
>> On reading of the discriminatory curfew for people of
>> Japanese heritage, including American natural born citizens,
>> he promptly set out to get himself arrested in order to file
>> a test case, believing in his heart that the orders were
>> unconstitutional and trusting the courts to affirm that.
>>
>> After being brushed off all night by several Portland
>> officers, many of whom knew him, he was finally arrested
>> early the next day and spent the early years of the war in
>> Multnomah County solitary confinement while defending
>> himself until his case wended its way to The Supremes.
>>
>> https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/320/115/
>>
>> It's as indefensible as Dred Scott or Plessy. And yet the
>> decision stands.
>
> But as I said, at the time it was legal. In fact on December 18, 1944,
> the Supreme Court handed down two decisions on the legality of the
> incarceration under Executive Order 9066. Korematsu v. United States,
> a 6–3 decision upholding a Nisei's conviction for violating the
> military exclusion order, stated that, in general, the removal of
> Japanese Americans from the West Coast was constitutional.
>
> "Nisei", a designation for second generation Japanese born in the
> U.S., A U.S. citizen who's parent(s) were native Japanese.
>

Same argument as Plessy.
And equally wrong, Constitutionally.

On Fri, 23 Sep 2022 20:53:49 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 9/23/2022 8:49 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Fri, 23 Sep 2022 19:53:46 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/23/2022 6:57 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 23 Sep 2022 07:49:45 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/22/2022 9:26 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 22 Sep 2022 20:38:28 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/22/2022 6:00 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 22 Sep 2022 15:07:36 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 9/22/2022 2:53 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 7:34:47 AM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 22 Sep 2022 09:11:24 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Naturally, bystanders lambaste and insult NYC cops.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://nypost.com/2022/09/21/atv-runs-red-light-slams-into-cyclist-in-the-bronx/
>>>>>>>>>>> Blue lives matter.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Very much of this comes from the loss of confidence in the justice system and it isn't the justice system that is bad but an entire generation of leftist millennials who were brought up through an education system that taught them that the free enterprise system was unfair because you had to work to succeed. Most of these spoiled little brats don't want to work even when a rather large percentage of them could succeed. My step-son now has his PhD and is a manager at a major aerospace firm in San Diego fighting to stay in business because they cannot find people that are willing to work. ALL of the step-kids have become successful simply because they are willing to work for what they want.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Fully a third of the millennials want communism here in the US because teachers and professors never once explained the absolute failures of communism and how millions of people were murdered by the communists for little more than the fun of it. These millennials are vastly outnumbered here in the US and who do you suppose is going to come out with the shitty side of the stick when they start their efforts to install communism here?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This is largely driven though by George Soros who makes his money destroying countries. This is a mental problem but no one calls him out on it and he finances the election of extreme left city officials across the nation. The stupid six are delighted to see the failing of America until it effects them personally. At that time it is bad. This is why you see them calling the movement of illegals into their own neighborhoods as bad while the open borders is good.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Flunky tellls us he rides bikes. If so why doesn't he ever have anything to say about bikes? The same with our queer contributor, Russell Seaton. We know that Krygowski's idea of a bicycle ride is the 5 or 6 mile evening ride and Liebermann and Slocum do not ride bikes at all. Since they're both dying I suppose we can forgive them not riding but why do they feel the need to put their two cents (which are worthless under Biden's inflation) in on everything? People who used to ride are only of worth if they have something to add and not one of these do. They are the embodiment of civil unrest and they are the ones that will suffer from it. Unlike Soros they don't have heavily armed guards protecting them around the clock. They bring death to themselves by their own hands
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That started out pretty well and the sailed off
>>>>>>>>> to...somewhere else entirely although I have no idea where.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Which is a trending thing this week:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://nypost.com/2022/09/21/biden-started-strong-at-un-then-bumbled-his-way-into-woke-irrelevance/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Do you have any plans for autumn of 2024?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, there is still hope. The Demo's introduced a bill that aimed to
>>>>>>>> combat “dark money” in United States elections by making it mandatory
>>>>>>>> for political organizations to disclose big donors.
>>>>>>>> And the Repubs skillfully blocked it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But unfortunately the Courts ruled that if Trump wants to claim that
>>>>>>>> FBI might have planted documents during search of Mar-a-Lago last
>>>>>>>> month., he's got to prove it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In re disclosing names of donors to nonprofit groups:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://h2o.law.harvard.edu/cases/889
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Review the arguments and I think you'll agree that case was
>>>>>>> rightly decided. Neither the Constitution nor the principles
>>>>>>> have changed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ah But... You live in the U.S. and the courts seem to be quite capable
>>>>>> in changing laws that have been in previously agreed upon as
>>>>>> legitimate to now be illegitimate.
>>>>>> The recent turnabout in the Federal Court decision on the Abortion
>>>>>> laws as one example (:-)
>>>>>>
>>>>> Not the only instance. Roe was wrongly decided even as many
>>>>> preferred the policy result. Even Ms Ginsburg wrote and
>>>>> lectured on that point and even as she advocated some other
>>>>> arguments for her preferred result. But at the end of the
>>>>> day it was an error and was reversed. Read the Dobbs
>>>>> arguments and I doubt you'll disagree. You may prefer the
>>>>> policy result but The Supremes are not charged with
>>>>> political or policy responsibility, only with application of
>>>>> the Constitution and statutes as written.
>>>>>
>>>>> In re The Court, it's high time they took up some of the
>>>>> many /coram nobis/ petitions regarding Yasui, Korematsu and
>>>>> Hirabayashi and finally reverse all three.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://iexaminer.org/announcement-hirabayashi-yasui-korematsu-families-file-brief-in-supreme-court-in-opposition-to-travel-ban/
>>>>
>>>> But had the Japanese brought their claim to the court during the
>>>> period of imprisonment (I'm guessing here) their claim might even been
>>>> refused to be heard.
>>>>
>>>> In fact, reading newspaper accounts, of the time, had someone said
>>>> "Shoot 'em" it looks like the news, at least, would have applauded the
>>>> idea.
>>>>
>>>> "What's right" seems to vary greatly depending upon when it occurs.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I knew Mr Yasui, an American born law school graduate
>>> recently admitted to the Oregon bar in 1941.
>>>
>>> On reading of the discriminatory curfew for people of
>>> Japanese heritage, including American natural born citizens,
>>> he promptly set out to get himself arrested in order to file
>>> a test case, believing in his heart that the orders were
>>> unconstitutional and trusting the courts to affirm that.
>>>
>>> After being brushed off all night by several Portland
>>> officers, many of whom knew him, he was finally arrested
>>> early the next day and spent the early years of the war in
>>> Multnomah County solitary confinement while defending
>>> himself until his case wended its way to The Supremes.
>>>
>>> https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/320/115/
>>>
>>> It's as indefensible as Dred Scott or Plessy. And yet the
>>> decision stands.
>>
>> But as I said, at the time it was legal. In fact on December 18, 1944,
>> the Supreme Court handed down two decisions on the legality of the
>> incarceration under Executive Order 9066. Korematsu v. United States,
>> a 6–3 decision upholding a Nisei's conviction for violating the
>> military exclusion order, stated that, in general, the removal of
>> Japanese Americans from the West Coast was constitutional.
>>
>> "Nisei", a designation for second generation Japanese born in the
>> U.S., A U.S. citizen who's parent(s) were native Japanese.
>>
>
>Same argument as Plessy.
>And equally wrong, Constitutionally.
>
>We're either 'equal before the law', all of us, or we are not.

On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 6:53:55 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 9/23/2022 8:49 PM, John B. wrote:
> > On Fri, 23 Sep 2022 19:53:46 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On 9/23/2022 6:57 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 23 Sep 2022 07:49:45 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 9/22/2022 9:26 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>>>> On Thu, 22 Sep 2022 20:38:28 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 9/22/2022 6:00 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Thu, 22 Sep 2022 15:07:36 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 9/22/2022 2:53 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 7:34:47 AM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 22 Sep 2022 09:11:24 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Naturally, bystanders lambaste and insult NYC cops.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> https://nypost.com/2022/09/21/atv-runs-red-light-slams-into-cyclist-in-the-bronx/
> >>>>>>>>>> Blue lives matter.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Very much of this comes from the loss of confidence in the justice system and it isn't the justice system that is bad but an entire generation of leftist millennials who were brought up through an education system that taught them that the free enterprise system was unfair because you had to work to succeed. Most of these spoiled little brats don't want to work even when a rather large percentage of them could succeed. My step-son now has his PhD and is a manager at a major aerospace firm in San Diego fighting to stay in business because they cannot find people that are willing to work. ALL of the step-kids have become successful simply because they are willing to work for what they want.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Fully a third of the millennials want communism here in the US because teachers and professors never once explained the absolute failures of communism and how millions of people were murdered by the communists for little more than the fun of it. These millennials are vastly outnumbered here in the US and who do you suppose is going to come out with the shitty side of the stick when they start their efforts to install communism here?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> This is largely driven though by George Soros who makes his money destroying countries. This is a mental problem but no one calls him out on it and he finances the election of extreme left city officials across the nation. The stupid six are delighted to see the failing of America until it effects them personally. At that time it is bad. This is why you see them calling the movement of illegals into their own neighborhoods as bad while the open borders is good.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Flunky tellls us he rides bikes. If so why doesn't he ever have anything to say about bikes? The same with our queer contributor, Russell Seaton. We know that Krygowski's idea of a bicycle ride is the 5 or 6 mile evening ride and Liebermann and Slocum do not ride bikes at all. Since they're both dying I suppose we can forgive them not riding but why do they feel the need to put their two cents (which are worthless under Biden's inflation) in on everything? People who used to ride are only of worth if they have something to add and not one of these do. They are the embodiment of civil unrest and they are the ones that will suffer from it. Unlike Soros they don't have heavily armed guards protecting them around the clock. They bring death to themselves by their own hands
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> That started out pretty well and the sailed off
> >>>>>>>> to...somewhere else entirely although I have no idea where.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Which is a trending thing this week:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> https://nypost.com/2022/09/21/biden-started-strong-at-un-then-bumbled-his-way-into-woke-irrelevance/
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Do you have any plans for autumn of 2024?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Well, there is still hope. The Demo's introduced a bill that aimed to
> >>>>>>> combat “dark money” in United States elections by making it mandatory
> >>>>>>> for political organizations to disclose big donors.
> >>>>>>> And the Repubs skillfully blocked it.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> But unfortunately the Courts ruled that if Trump wants to claim that
> >>>>>>> FBI might have planted documents during search of Mar-a-Lago last
> >>>>>>> month., he's got to prove it.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> In re disclosing names of donors to nonprofit groups:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> https://h2o.law.harvard.edu/cases/889
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Review the arguments and I think you'll agree that case was
> >>>>>> rightly decided. Neither the Constitution nor the principles
> >>>>>> have changed.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ah But... You live in the U.S. and the courts seem to be quite capable
> >>>>> in changing laws that have been in previously agreed upon as
> >>>>> legitimate to now be illegitimate.
> >>>>> The recent turnabout in the Federal Court decision on the Abortion
> >>>>> laws as one example (:-)
> >>>>>
> >>>> Not the only instance. Roe was wrongly decided even as many
> >>>> preferred the policy result. Even Ms Ginsburg wrote and
> >>>> lectured on that point and even as she advocated some other
> >>>> arguments for her preferred result. But at the end of the
> >>>> day it was an error and was reversed. Read the Dobbs
> >>>> arguments and I doubt you'll disagree. You may prefer the
> >>>> policy result but The Supremes are not charged with
> >>>> political or policy responsibility, only with application of
> >>>> the Constitution and statutes as written.
> >>>>
> >>>> In re The Court, it's high time they took up some of the
> >>>> many /coram nobis/ petitions regarding Yasui, Korematsu and
> >>>> Hirabayashi and finally reverse all three.
> >>>>
> >>>> https://iexaminer.org/announcement-hirabayashi-yasui-korematsu-families-file-brief-in-supreme-court-in-opposition-to-travel-ban/
> >>>
> >>> But had the Japanese brought their claim to the court during the
> >>> period of imprisonment (I'm guessing here) their claim might even been
> >>> refused to be heard.
> >>>
> >>> In fact, reading newspaper accounts, of the time, had someone said
> >>> "Shoot 'em" it looks like the news, at least, would have applauded the
> >>> idea.
> >>>
> >>> "What's right" seems to vary greatly depending upon when it occurs.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I knew Mr Yasui, an American born law school graduate
> >> recently admitted to the Oregon bar in 1941.
> >>
> >> On reading of the discriminatory curfew for people of
> >> Japanese heritage, including American natural born citizens,
> >> he promptly set out to get himself arrested in order to file
> >> a test case, believing in his heart that the orders were
> >> unconstitutional and trusting the courts to affirm that.
> >>
> >> After being brushed off all night by several Portland
> >> officers, many of whom knew him, he was finally arrested
> >> early the next day and spent the early years of the war in
> >> Multnomah County solitary confinement while defending
> >> himself until his case wended its way to The Supremes.
> >>
> >> https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/320/115/
> >>
> >> It's as indefensible as Dred Scott or Plessy. And yet the
> >> decision stands.
> >
> > But as I said, at the time it was legal. In fact on December 18, 1944,
> > the Supreme Court handed down two decisions on the legality of the
> > incarceration under Executive Order 9066. Korematsu v. United States,
> > a 6–3 decision upholding a Nisei's conviction for violating the
> > military exclusion order, stated that, in general, the removal of
> > Japanese Americans from the West Coast was constitutional.
> >
> > "Nisei", a designation for second generation Japanese born in the
> > U.S., A U.S. citizen who's parent(s) were native Japanese.
> >
> Same argument as Plessy.
> And equally wrong, Constitutionally.
>
> We're either 'equal before the law', all of us, or we are not.