On 9/27/2022 2:03 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Sep 2022 14:16:58 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 4:54:56 PM UTC-4, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Fri, 23 Sep 2022 11:18:14 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 12:50:16 AM UTC-4, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> Also, if you search the document for "Doppler", you'll find that speed
>>>>> measurement is heavily tied to Doppler shift measurement.
>>>> Doppler radar is precisely how every law enforcement radar speed "monitoring" system works. (now watch Jeff prove me wrong again).
>>> Yep. There are other systems (monopulse, phased array, CW, etc) that
>>> will provide other useful information besides speed, such as which
>>> freeway lane the speeding car is in. Mobile speed guns are mostly IR
>>> laser:
>>> <https://kustomsignals.com/handheld-lidar/prolaser-4>
>>> while fixed installations (automatic speed traps) use RF.
>>>
>>> Incidentally, I have two really ancient 24GHz Kustom Road Runner radar
>>> guns. Plenty fun measuring the speed of passing cyclists and
>>> calibrating my car speedometer.
>>> <https://photos.app.goo.gl/92mdDZmTuCQUPEpK9>
>
>> Right, I got a radar detector as a present a few years ago that has a Lidar detector as well. I really can't use it in my area becasue there are so many other sources that set off the radar section. When I did have it in the car I don't think the lidar warning ever went off, but I had to keep it turned off most of the time since my commute at the time took me through a long section of strip malls with automatic door openers to the stores. You'd think the FCC would have set aside a different band for that.
>
> Umm... LIDAR is radar using light instead of RF (radio frequencies).
> There's nothing in a strip mall that will trigger LIDAR. However, the
> 10.525GHz and 24GHz supermarket Doppler motion detectors will trigger
> radar detectors.
>
> A LIDAR speed gun can produce a reading in 0.3 seconds. See data
> sheet at:
> <https://kustomsignals.com/handheld-lidar/prolaser-4>
> In the time your radar detector needs to detect the LIDAR light, the
> speed trap already has your speed and photo, and you don't have any
> time to slow down.
>
> As for a dedicated frequency for different services, there's not
> enough spectrum available to do that. The FCC no longer makes
> decisions based on technical merit or need. The ongoing debacle about
> LightSquared/Ligado interfering with GPS is a good example of
> frequency allocation based on politics instead of technology.
> <https://spacenews.com/report-ligados-wireless-network-will-interfere-with-iridium-and-some-gps-services/>
> I can provide about 5 other past examples of politics over-riding
> technology if you want.

Politics over technology? That's like politics over science!

Surely, rational people would never pay more attention to a politician
than to thousands of scientists or engineers. Would they?

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 11:20:16 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 9/27/2022 2:03 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> On Fri, 23 Sep 2022 14:16:58 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 4:54:56 PM UTC-4, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 23 Sep 2022 11:18:14 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>>>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 12:50:16 AM UTC-4, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> Also, if you search the document for "Doppler", you'll find that speed
>>>>>> measurement is heavily tied to Doppler shift measurement.
>>>>> Doppler radar is precisely how every law enforcement radar speed "monitoring" system works. (now watch Jeff prove me wrong again).
>>>> Yep. There are other systems (monopulse, phased array, CW, etc) that
>>>> will provide other useful information besides speed, such as which
>>>> freeway lane the speeding car is in. Mobile speed guns are mostly IR
>>>> laser:
>>>> <https://kustomsignals.com/handheld-lidar/prolaser-4>
>>>> while fixed installations (automatic speed traps) use RF.
>>>>
>>>> Incidentally, I have two really ancient 24GHz Kustom Road Runner radar
>>>> guns. Plenty fun measuring the speed of passing cyclists and
>>>> calibrating my car speedometer.
>>>> <https://photos.app.goo.gl/92mdDZmTuCQUPEpK9>
>>
>>> Right, I got a radar detector as a present a few years ago that has a Lidar detector as well. I really can't use it in my area becasue there are so many other sources that set off the radar section. When I did have it in the car I don't think the lidar warning ever went off, but I had to keep it turned off most of the time since my commute at the time took me through a long section of strip malls with automatic door openers to the stores. You'd think the FCC would have set aside a different band for that.
>>
>> Umm... LIDAR is radar using light instead of RF (radio frequencies).
>> There's nothing in a strip mall that will trigger LIDAR. However, the
>> 10.525GHz and 24GHz supermarket Doppler motion detectors will trigger
>> radar detectors.
>>
>> A LIDAR speed gun can produce a reading in 0.3 seconds. See data
>> sheet at:
>> <https://kustomsignals.com/handheld-lidar/prolaser-4>
>> In the time your radar detector needs to detect the LIDAR light, the
>> speed trap already has your speed and photo, and you don't have any
>> time to slow down.
>>
>> As for a dedicated frequency for different services, there's not
>> enough spectrum available to do that. The FCC no longer makes
>> decisions based on technical merit or need. The ongoing debacle about
>> LightSquared/Ligado interfering with GPS is a good example of
>> frequency allocation based on politics instead of technology.
>> <https://spacenews.com/report-ligados-wireless-network-will-interfere-with-iridium-and-some-gps-services/>
>> I can provide about 5 other past examples of politics over-riding
>> technology if you want.
>
>Politics over technology? That's like politics over science!
>
>Surely, rational people would never pay more attention to a politician
>than to thousands of scientists or engineers. Would they?

Especially when the scientists lie..

Fauci admitted as much in a recent interview with the New York Times.
He confessed that he knowingly downplayed the percentage of people who
would need to be vaccinated in order for the United States to reach
herd immunity, and then he raised that number only because of a “gut
feeling that the country is finally ready to hear what he really
thinks,” the New York Times reported.

This is not the first time Fauci has been caught in his own web. He
was one of the most prominent health experts to discourage people from
wearing face coverings toward the beginning of the outbreak, even
though the available data confirmed masks would help prevent COVID-19
carriers from spreading the virus. A few months later, after many
states began mandating masks in public, Fauci acknowledged that he
knowingly misled the public because the experts “were concerned that
it was at a time when personal protective equipment, including the N95
masks and the surgical masks, were in very short supply.”

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/editorials/faucis-noble-lies-catch-up-to-him

Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On 9/27/2022 7:05 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>
>>>
>> I have to say the elevation is one of those for my uses close enough, in
>> that it’s broadly in line with known heights of hills do remember vaguely
>> some ride with some storm fronts where it dropped massively and
>> unbelievably!
>>
>> But generally it’s close enough for my purposes.
>
> I must say, I'm curious about "purposes."
>
> I admit to being generally interested in data. For example, I was rather
> obsessive about keeping cars' gas mileage data. But I seldom did
> anything with the data, other than confirming (in the old, old days)
> that a car needed a tuneup.
>
> I was once given a nice sports watch with an altimeter. I glanced at it
> from time to time, especially when traveling over mountains. But I
> certainly never made any use of the numbers.
>
> What do you do with your altitude data?
>
It’s more if the Garmin will display the elevation profile, for new to me
places/hills which is handy for pacing efforts, as generally I’m following
a route, be that one I’ve plotted or once in a blue mood one for a event
and so on.

Nothing trumps local knowledge clearly.

Or simply again on places I don’t know knowing the height means I can make
educational guess as to how far up/along a ridge I am and so on, if I can’t
be bothered to switch screens.

It’s mildly useful rather than needed essentially.

Roger Merriman

On 9/27/2022 10:20 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 9/27/2022 2:03 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> On Fri, 23 Sep 2022 14:16:58 -0700 (PDT),
>> "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 4:54:56 PM UTC-4,
>>> jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 23 Sep 2022 11:18:14 -0700 (PDT),
>>>> "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>>>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 12:50:16 AM UTC-4,
>>>>> jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> Also, if you search the document for "Doppler", you'll
>>>>>> find that speed
>>>>>> measurement is heavily tied to Doppler shift measurement.
>>>>> Doppler radar is precisely how every law enforcement
>>>>> radar speed "monitoring" system works. (now watch Jeff
>>>>> prove me wrong again).
>>>> Yep. There are other systems (monopulse, phased array,
>>>> CW, etc) that
>>>> will provide other useful information besides speed,
>>>> such as which
>>>> freeway lane the speeding car is in. Mobile speed guns
>>>> are mostly IR
>>>> laser:
>>>> <https://kustomsignals.com/handheld-lidar/prolaser-4>
>>>> while fixed installations (automatic speed traps) use RF.
>>>>
>>>> Incidentally, I have two really ancient 24GHz Kustom
>>>> Road Runner radar
>>>> guns. Plenty fun measuring the speed of passing cyclists
>>>> and
>>>> calibrating my car speedometer.
>>>> <https://photos.app.goo.gl/92mdDZmTuCQUPEpK9>
>>
>>> Right, I got a radar detector as a present a few years
>>> ago that has a Lidar detector as well. I really can't use
>>> it in my area becasue there are so many other sources
>>> that set off the radar section. When I did have it in the
>>> car I don't think the lidar warning ever went off, but I
>>> had to keep it turned off most of the time since my
>>> commute at the time took me through a long section of
>>> strip malls with automatic door openers to the stores.
>>> You'd think the FCC would have set aside a different band
>>> for that.
>>
>> Umm... LIDAR is radar using light instead of RF (radio
>> frequencies).
>> There's nothing in a strip mall that will trigger LIDAR.
>> However, the
>> 10.525GHz and 24GHz supermarket Doppler motion detectors
>> will trigger
>> radar detectors.
>>
>> A LIDAR speed gun can produce a reading in 0.3 seconds.
>> See data
>> sheet at:
>> <https://kustomsignals.com/handheld-lidar/prolaser-4>
>> In the time your radar detector needs to detect the LIDAR
>> light, the
>> speed trap already has your speed and photo, and you don't
>> have any
>> time to slow down.
>>
>> As for a dedicated frequency for different services,
>> there's not
>> enough spectrum available to do that. The FCC no longer
>> makes
>> decisions based on technical merit or need. The ongoing
>> debacle about
>> LightSquared/Ligado interfering with GPS is a good example of
>> frequency allocation based on politics instead of technology.
>> <https://spacenews.com/report-ligados-wireless-network-will-interfere-with-iridium-and-some-gps-services/>
>>
>> I can provide about 5 other past examples of politics
>> over-riding
>> technology if you want.
>
> Politics over technology? That's like politics over science!
>
> Surely, rational people would never pay more attention to a
> politician than to thousands of scientists or engineers.
> Would they?
>

The two interest areas, science and social policy, are
irretrievably intertwined:

https://gbdeclaration.org/

https://www.lomborg.com/

http://johnlott.org/

oh, and recent national news:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/research-org-that-worked-with-wuhan-lab-receives-massive-government-grant/ar-AA11kAEB

https://www.clarkcountytoday.com/news/ex-cdc-director-reveals-names-behind-real-covid-conspiracy/

When governments fund and regulate research, scientists
become inherently captive to ideology. We might bemoan this
situation, but here we are.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 11:20:16 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 9/27/2022 2:03 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> As for a dedicated frequency for different services, there's not
>> enough spectrum available to do that. The FCC no longer makes
>> decisions based on technical merit or need. The ongoing debacle about
>> LightSquared/Ligado interfering with GPS is a good example of
>> frequency allocation based on politics instead of technology.
>> <https://spacenews.com/report-ligados-wireless-network-will-interfere-with-iridium-and-some-gps-services/>
>> I can provide about 5 other past examples of politics over-riding
>> technology if you want.

>Politics over technology? That's like politics over science!

Agreed. More realistically, it's politics vs common sense. Many of
the brilliant decisions by the FCC required creative interpretation of
the data, or in a few cases, creative ways to obtain the data. The
basic rule of thumb is to NOT have two radically different services or
modulation types share the same frequency space, or be close enough in
frequency to interfere. For example, interleaving channels was
suppose to reduce interference but did the opposite, eventually
resulting in "spectrum refarming". Every time the FCC has ignored
that rule of thumb, things didn't work. For Ligado, it's all about
the money that Philip Falcone and friends paid to the government for
winning a spectrum auction. I won't go into the convoluted trades,
bailouts and decision, but the last offer to buy the spectrum from the
then bankrupt LightSquared was $3.3 billion in 2013:
<https://www.reuters.com/article/centerbridge-lightsquared-idUSL3N0JR01220131212>

>Surely, rational people would never pay more attention to a politician
>than to thousands of scientists or engineers. Would they?

There is some question if people remain rational when confronted with
billion dollar decisions. I haven't had the experience, but I suspect
rational thinking and sanity evaporate at about the million dollar
mark. That's about the average selling price for a house in my area:
<https://www.zillow.com/home-values/3025/santa-cruz-county-ca/>

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 8:31:25 AM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 11:20:16 -0400, Frank Krygowski
> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >On 9/27/2022 2:03 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> >> On Fri, 23 Sep 2022 14:16:58 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> >> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 4:54:56 PM UTC-4, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> On Fri, 23 Sep 2022 11:18:14 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> >>>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 12:50:16 AM UTC-4, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>> Also, if you search the document for "Doppler", you'll find that speed
> >>>>>> measurement is heavily tied to Doppler shift measurement.
> >>>>> Doppler radar is precisely how every law enforcement radar speed "monitoring" system works. (now watch Jeff prove me wrong again).
> >>>> Yep. There are other systems (monopulse, phased array, CW, etc) that
> >>>> will provide other useful information besides speed, such as which
> >>>> freeway lane the speeding car is in. Mobile speed guns are mostly IR
> >>>> laser:
> >>>> <https://kustomsignals.com/handheld-lidar/prolaser-4>
> >>>> while fixed installations (automatic speed traps) use RF.
> >>>>
> >>>> Incidentally, I have two really ancient 24GHz Kustom Road Runner radar
> >>>> guns. Plenty fun measuring the speed of passing cyclists and
> >>>> calibrating my car speedometer.
> >>>> <https://photos.app.goo.gl/92mdDZmTuCQUPEpK9>
> >>
> >>> Right, I got a radar detector as a present a few years ago that has a Lidar detector as well. I really can't use it in my area becasue there are so many other sources that set off the radar section. When I did have it in the car I don't think the lidar warning ever went off, but I had to keep it turned off most of the time since my commute at the time took me through a long section of strip malls with automatic door openers to the stores. You'd think the FCC would have set aside a different band for that.
> >>
> >> Umm... LIDAR is radar using light instead of RF (radio frequencies).
> >> There's nothing in a strip mall that will trigger LIDAR. However, the
> >> 10.525GHz and 24GHz supermarket Doppler motion detectors will trigger
> >> radar detectors.
> >>
> >> A LIDAR speed gun can produce a reading in 0.3 seconds. See data
> >> sheet at:
> >> <https://kustomsignals.com/handheld-lidar/prolaser-4>
> >> In the time your radar detector needs to detect the LIDAR light, the
> >> speed trap already has your speed and photo, and you don't have any
> >> time to slow down.
> >>
> >> As for a dedicated frequency for different services, there's not
> >> enough spectrum available to do that. The FCC no longer makes
> >> decisions based on technical merit or need. The ongoing debacle about
> >> LightSquared/Ligado interfering with GPS is a good example of
> >> frequency allocation based on politics instead of technology.
> >> <https://spacenews.com/report-ligados-wireless-network-will-interfere-with-iridium-and-some-gps-services/>
> >> I can provide about 5 other past examples of politics over-riding
> >> technology if you want.
> >
> >Politics over technology? That's like politics over science!
> >
> >Surely, rational people would never pay more attention to a politician
> >than to thousands of scientists or engineers. Would they?
> Especially when the scientists lie..
>
> Fauci admitted as much in a recent interview with the New York Times.
> He confessed that he knowingly downplayed the percentage of people who
> would need to be vaccinated in order for the United States to reach
> herd immunity, and then he raised that number only because of a “gut
> feeling that the country is finally ready to hear what he really
> thinks,” the New York Times reported.
>
> This is not the first time Fauci has been caught in his own web. He
> was one of the most prominent health experts to discourage people from
> wearing face coverings toward the beginning of the outbreak, even
> though the available data confirmed masks would help prevent COVID-19
> carriers from spreading the virus. A few months later, after many
> states began mandating masks in public, Fauci acknowledged that he
> knowingly misled the public because the experts “were concerned that
> it was at a time when personal protective equipment, including the N95
> masks and the surgical masks, were in very short supply.”
>
> https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/editorials/faucis-noble-lies-catch-up-to-him

Don't believe one word about Fauci and ANY disease. He is a bubbling incompetent fool that never spent one day in private medical practice. Every single thing that I have ever seen him do was entirely wrong and usually 180 degrees from what he should have done. I helped with the AIDS crisis from designing and programming the instruments that were used to finally detect HIV as the cause of AIDS to doing personal interviews of homosexuals in hospitals dying from AIDS. From the very start one thing was perfectly clear - that it was a blood born pathogen that was causing AIDS. That stupid asshole told the entire world that it was an airborne disease. What this resulted in was homosexuals were fired from their jobs, thrown out of their housing and even their own parents were afraid to be around them. The incidence of suicide of homosexuals skyrocketed. Since they were unemployed, they were selling their own blood to blood banks. Until my instrument there was no way of identifying the cause of AIDS so blood banks would accept their blood and pay them a little money which they were using to subsist on.

The Washington Post is moronic and anything they say about Fauci is bulllshit. The SARS-Cov-2 virus that causes covid-19 is 200 times smaller than the breathing pores in an N95 operating room mask. So the BEST mask available has ZERO effect on the spread of covid-19. Paper and cloth masks are useless and always have been since the first studies around 1918. N95 masks won't stop BACTERIAL infections. Even without the breathing pores, viruses and bacteria escape from the poor seal around the nose.

What give ANYONE the idea that a vaccine that doesn't stop you from getting the illness, doesn't lessen it's symptoms and doesn't stop you from spreading it can EVER generate herd immunity in any population of any size?

40% or more of the people that contract covid-19 are symptomless. So it these people have received a vaccination and contract the illness, they wouldn't know. They would happily walk around with a vaccination card in their pocket flying on airplanes and working in close proximity to others spreading it to all around them.

The one outstanding feature of covid-19 is that it has probably spread throughout the entire population of cities and large towns. So ANYONE that dies from natural causes in these areas would ALWAYS test positive for covid-19 immune signs. Fauci and his minions and the Slime Stream Media just take all of these people who have died from natural causes and because they test positive for immune response say that they died from covid-19. But here is the actual truth:

Go to: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm (Excess Deaths Associated with Covid-19 - THE CDC site)

Upon getting to this site scroll down the page until you reach "Options" "Select a Dashboard" then go to the far right and mark the place "Total number above average by cause" Then hit the "Update Dashboard" button.

SARS-Cov-2 is "Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome" corona virus type 2 - this is what causes covid-19

After you have updated the Dashboard below that you will see some charts.

Th excess deaths shown under Respiratory Diseases are "influenza and pneumonia", "Chronic lower respiratory disease" (these are mostly from smoking or working in coal mines and the like) and the covid-19 actual number of deaths - "Other Diseases of the Respiratory System". As you can see - Covid-19 actually killed only 8,865 people. This is the same as a BAD influenza year.. You have been suckered into losing everything by Fauci and the Democrats who have to always be saving you from a major emergency.

Far more importantly go back up and mark "Weekly Number of Deaths by Cause Group" and update the dashboard again. The charts below for Respiratory diseases shows that there was a SLIGHT upsurge in excess deaths in late March and early April of 2020. Since that time deaths from respiratory diseases of all types have been WELL BELOW NORMAL.

The reduction of excess deaths due to Influenza and Pneumonia are simply because people were locked down and just weren't exposed to those pathogens. deaths from lower respiratory system deaths were back to normal because they had been irritated by covid-19. These excess deaths were NOT caused by covid-19 but by their normal causes. If you have severe Myocarditis and you are vaccinated which irritates your heart lining is the death from the vaccine, the immune system detection of covid-19 or the Myocarditis? - It is from the original heart disease.

On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 14:14:35 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 8:31:25 AM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 11:20:16 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> >On 9/27/2022 2:03 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 23 Sep 2022 14:16:58 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>> >> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 4:54:56 PM UTC-4, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >>>> On Fri, 23 Sep 2022 11:18:14 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>> >>>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 12:50:16 AM UTC-4, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >>>>>> Also, if you search the document for "Doppler", you'll find that speed
>> >>>>>> measurement is heavily tied to Doppler shift measurement.
>> >>>>> Doppler radar is precisely how every law enforcement radar speed "monitoring" system works. (now watch Jeff prove me wrong again).
>> >>>> Yep. There are other systems (monopulse, phased array, CW, etc) that
>> >>>> will provide other useful information besides speed, such as which
>> >>>> freeway lane the speeding car is in. Mobile speed guns are mostly IR
>> >>>> laser:
>> >>>> <https://kustomsignals.com/handheld-lidar/prolaser-4>
>> >>>> while fixed installations (automatic speed traps) use RF.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Incidentally, I have two really ancient 24GHz Kustom Road Runner radar
>> >>>> guns. Plenty fun measuring the speed of passing cyclists and
>> >>>> calibrating my car speedometer.
>> >>>> <https://photos.app.goo.gl/92mdDZmTuCQUPEpK9>
>> >>
>> >>> Right, I got a radar detector as a present a few years ago that has a Lidar detector as well. I really can't use it in my area becasue there are so many other sources that set off the radar section. When I did have it in the car I don't think the lidar warning ever went off, but I had to keep it turned off most of the time since my commute at the time took me through a long section of strip malls with automatic door openers to the stores. You'd think the FCC would have set aside a different band for that.
>> >>
>> >> Umm... LIDAR is radar using light instead of RF (radio frequencies).
>> >> There's nothing in a strip mall that will trigger LIDAR. However, the
>> >> 10.525GHz and 24GHz supermarket Doppler motion detectors will trigger
>> >> radar detectors.
>> >>
>> >> A LIDAR speed gun can produce a reading in 0.3 seconds. See data
>> >> sheet at:
>> >> <https://kustomsignals.com/handheld-lidar/prolaser-4>
>> >> In the time your radar detector needs to detect the LIDAR light, the
>> >> speed trap already has your speed and photo, and you don't have any
>> >> time to slow down.
>> >>
>> >> As for a dedicated frequency for different services, there's not
>> >> enough spectrum available to do that. The FCC no longer makes
>> >> decisions based on technical merit or need. The ongoing debacle about
>> >> LightSquared/Ligado interfering with GPS is a good example of
>> >> frequency allocation based on politics instead of technology.
>> >> <https://spacenews.com/report-ligados-wireless-network-will-interfere-with-iridium-and-some-gps-services/>
>> >> I can provide about 5 other past examples of politics over-riding
>> >> technology if you want.
>> >
>> >Politics over technology? That's like politics over science!
>> >
>> >Surely, rational people would never pay more attention to a politician
>> >than to thousands of scientists or engineers. Would they?
>> Especially when the scientists lie..
>>
>> Fauci admitted as much in a recent interview with the New York Times.
>> He confessed that he knowingly downplayed the percentage of people who
>> would need to be vaccinated in order for the United States to reach
>> herd immunity, and then he raised that number only because of a “gut
>> feeling that the country is finally ready to hear what he really
>> thinks,” the New York Times reported.
>>
>> This is not the first time Fauci has been caught in his own web. He
>> was one of the most prominent health experts to discourage people from
>> wearing face coverings toward the beginning of the outbreak, even
>> though the available data confirmed masks would help prevent COVID-19
>> carriers from spreading the virus. A few months later, after many
>> states began mandating masks in public, Fauci acknowledged that he
>> knowingly misled the public because the experts “were concerned that
>> it was at a time when personal protective equipment, including the N95
>> masks and the surgical masks, were in very short supply.”
>>
>> https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/editorials/faucis-noble-lies-catch-up-to-him
>
>Don't believe one word about Fauci and ANY disease. He is a bubbling incompetent fool that never spent one day in private medical practice. Every single thing that I have ever seen him do was entirely wrong and usually 180 degrees from what he should have done. I helped with the AIDS crisis from designing and programming the instruments that were used to finally detect HIV as the cause of AIDS to doing personal interviews of homosexuals in hospitals dying from AIDS. From the very start one thing was perfectly clear - that it was a blood born pathogen that was causing AIDS. That stupid asshole told the entire world that it was an airborne disease. What this resulted in was homosexuals were fired from their jobs, thrown out of their housing and even their own parents were afraid to be around them. The incidence of suicide of homosexuals skyrocketed. Since they were unemployed, they were selling their own blood to blood banks. Until my instrument there was no way of identifying the
>cause of AIDS so blood banks would accept their blood and pay them a little money which they were using to subsist on.
>
>The Washington Post is moronic and anything they say about Fauci is bulllshit. The SARS-Cov-2 virus that causes covid-19 is 200 times smaller than the breathing pores in an N95 operating room mask. So the BEST mask available has ZERO effect on the spread of covid-19. Paper and cloth masks are useless and always have been since the first studies around 1918. N95 masks won't stop BACTERIAL infections. Even without the breathing pores, viruses and bacteria escape from the poor seal around the nose.
>
>What give ANYONE the idea that a vaccine that doesn't stop you from getting the illness, doesn't lessen it's symptoms and doesn't stop you from spreading it can EVER generate herd immunity in any population of any size?
>
>40% or more of the people that contract covid-19 are symptomless. So it these people have received a vaccination and contract the illness, they wouldn't know. They would happily walk around with a vaccination card in their pocket flying on airplanes and working in close proximity to others spreading it to all around them.
>
>The one outstanding feature of covid-19 is that it has probably spread throughout the entire population of cities and large towns. So ANYONE that dies from natural causes in these areas would ALWAYS test positive for covid-19 immune signs. Fauci and his minions and the Slime Stream Media just take all of these people who have died from natural causes and because they test positive for immune response say that they died from covid-19. But here is the actual truth:
>
>Go to: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm (Excess Deaths Associated with Covid-19 - THE CDC site)
>
>Upon getting to this site scroll down the page until you reach "Options" "Select a Dashboard" then go to the far right and mark the place "Total number above average by cause" Then hit the "Update Dashboard" button.
>
>SARS-Cov-2 is "Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome" corona virus type 2 - this is what causes covid-19
>
>After you have updated the Dashboard below that you will see some charts.
>
>Th excess deaths shown under Respiratory Diseases are "influenza and pneumonia", "Chronic lower respiratory disease" (these are mostly from smoking or working in coal mines and the like) and the covid-19 actual number of deaths - "Other Diseases of the Respiratory System". As you can see - Covid-19 actually killed only 8,865 people. This is the same as a BAD influenza year. You have been suckered into losing everything by Fauci and the Democrats who have to always be saving you from a major emergency.
>
>Far more importantly go back up and mark "Weekly Number of Deaths by Cause Group" and update the dashboard again. The charts below for Respiratory diseases shows that there was a SLIGHT upsurge in excess deaths in late March and early April of 2020. Since that time deaths from respiratory diseases of all types have been WELL BELOW NORMAL.
>
>The reduction of excess deaths due to Influenza and Pneumonia are simply because people were locked down and just weren't exposed to those pathogens. deaths from lower respiratory system deaths were back to normal because they had been irritated by covid-19. These excess deaths were NOT caused by covid-19 but by their normal causes. If you have severe Myocarditis and you are vaccinated which irritates your heart lining is the death from the vaccine, the immune system detection of covid-19 or the Myocarditis? - It is from the original heart disease.
>
>This is long and complicated and tiresome, but the bottom line is that covid-19 was no worse than a bad influenza year. And this country was purposely destroyed to give the Democrats power and allow George Soros to get that much closer to the destruction of the US dollar which is how he has made his billions - by the destruction of the monetary standards of countries - the Euro, The English Lb and the Turkish and Greek economies.
>
>I have spent 50 years in electronics and about 40 of them developing medical instruments or laboratory instruments that were used to detect the basis of illnesses and diseases.. This is why the stupid six hate me with such a passion - because I actually know what I'm talking about and they can't pretend in front of me.

On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 12:23:15 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 9/27/2022 10:20 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 9/27/2022 2:03 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>> On Fri, 23 Sep 2022 14:16:58 -0700 (PDT),
>>> "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>>> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 4:54:56 PM UTC-4,
>>>> jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 23 Sep 2022 11:18:14 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>> "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>>>>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 12:50:16 AM UTC-4,
>>>>>> jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> Also, if you search the document for "Doppler", you'll
>>>>>>> find that speed
>>>>>>> measurement is heavily tied to Doppler shift measurement.
>>>>>> Doppler radar is precisely how every law enforcement
>>>>>> radar speed "monitoring" system works. (now watch Jeff
>>>>>> prove me wrong again).
>>>>> Yep. There are other systems (monopulse, phased array,
>>>>> CW, etc) that
>>>>> will provide other useful information besides speed,
>>>>> such as which
>>>>> freeway lane the speeding car is in. Mobile speed guns
>>>>> are mostly IR
>>>>> laser:
>>>>> <https://kustomsignals.com/handheld-lidar/prolaser-4>
>>>>> while fixed installations (automatic speed traps) use RF.
>>>>>
>>>>> Incidentally, I have two really ancient 24GHz Kustom
>>>>> Road Runner radar
>>>>> guns. Plenty fun measuring the speed of passing cyclists
>>>>> and
>>>>> calibrating my car speedometer.
>>>>> <https://photos.app.goo.gl/92mdDZmTuCQUPEpK9>
>>>
>>>> Right, I got a radar detector as a present a few years
>>>> ago that has a Lidar detector as well. I really can't use
>>>> it in my area becasue there are so many other sources
>>>> that set off the radar section. When I did have it in the
>>>> car I don't think the lidar warning ever went off, but I
>>>> had to keep it turned off most of the time since my
>>>> commute at the time took me through a long section of
>>>> strip malls with automatic door openers to the stores.
>>>> You'd think the FCC would have set aside a different band
>>>> for that.
>>>
>>> Umm... LIDAR is radar using light instead of RF (radio
>>> frequencies).
>>> There's nothing in a strip mall that will trigger LIDAR.
>>> However, the
>>> 10.525GHz and 24GHz supermarket Doppler motion detectors
>>> will trigger
>>> radar detectors.
>>>
>>> A LIDAR speed gun can produce a reading in 0.3 seconds.
>>> See data
>>> sheet at:
>>> <https://kustomsignals.com/handheld-lidar/prolaser-4>
>>> In the time your radar detector needs to detect the LIDAR
>>> light, the
>>> speed trap already has your speed and photo, and you don't
>>> have any
>>> time to slow down.
>>>
>>> As for a dedicated frequency for different services,
>>> there's not
>>> enough spectrum available to do that. The FCC no longer
>>> makes
>>> decisions based on technical merit or need. The ongoing
>>> debacle about
>>> LightSquared/Ligado interfering with GPS is a good example of
>>> frequency allocation based on politics instead of technology.
>>> <https://spacenews.com/report-ligados-wireless-network-will-interfere-with-iridium-and-some-gps-services/>
>>>
>>> I can provide about 5 other past examples of politics
>>> over-riding
>>> technology if you want.
>>
>> Politics over technology? That's like politics over science!
>>
>> Surely, rational people would never pay more attention to a
>> politician than to thousands of scientists or engineers.
>> Would they?
>>
>
>The two interest areas, science and social policy, are
>irretrievably intertwined:
>
>https://gbdeclaration.org/
>
>https://www.lomborg.com/
>
>http://johnlott.org/
>
>oh, and recent national news:
>https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/research-org-that-worked-with-wuhan-lab-receives-massive-government-grant/ar-AA11kAEB
>
>https://www.clarkcountytoday.com/news/ex-cdc-director-reveals-names-behind-real-covid-conspiracy/
>
>When governments fund and regulate research, scientists
>become inherently captive to ideology. We might bemoan this
>situation, but here we are.

And then we have
https://financialpost.com/opinion/lawrence-solomon-ban-the-bike-how-cities-made-a-huge-mistake-in-promoting-cycling
https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2019/07/should-we-ban-bicycles-in-major-urban-areas.html
https://metro.co.uk/2015/11/05/cyclists-are-a-menace-and-should-be-banned-from-the-roads-5482050/

You can "prove" anything these days on the Internet

--
Cheers,

John B.

On 9/27/2022 1:23 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 9/27/2022 10:20 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 9/27/2022 2:03 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>> On Fri, 23 Sep 2022 14:16:58 -0700 (PDT),
>>> "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>>> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 4:54:56 PM UTC-4,
>>>> jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 23 Sep 2022 11:18:14 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>> "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>>>>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 12:50:16 AM UTC-4,
>>>>>> jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> Also, if you search the document for "Doppler", you'll
>>>>>>> find that speed
>>>>>>> measurement is heavily tied to Doppler shift measurement.
>>>>>> Doppler radar is precisely how every law enforcement
>>>>>> radar speed "monitoring" system works. (now watch Jeff
>>>>>> prove me wrong again).
>>>>> Yep. There are other systems (monopulse, phased array,
>>>>> CW, etc) that
>>>>> will provide other useful information besides speed,
>>>>> such as which
>>>>> freeway lane the speeding car is in. Mobile speed guns
>>>>> are mostly IR
>>>>> laser:
>>>>> <https://kustomsignals.com/handheld-lidar/prolaser-4>
>>>>> while fixed installations (automatic speed traps) use RF.
>>>>>
>>>>> Incidentally, I have two really ancient 24GHz Kustom
>>>>> Road Runner radar
>>>>> guns. Plenty fun measuring the speed of passing cyclists
>>>>> and
>>>>> calibrating my car speedometer.
>>>>> <https://photos.app.goo.gl/92mdDZmTuCQUPEpK9>
>>>
>>>> Right, I got a radar detector as a present a few years
>>>> ago that has a Lidar detector as well. I really can't use
>>>> it in my area becasue there are so many other sources
>>>> that set off the radar section. When I did have it in the
>>>> car I don't think the lidar warning ever went off, but I
>>>> had to keep it turned off most of the time since my
>>>> commute at the time took me through a long section of
>>>> strip malls with automatic door openers to the stores.
>>>> You'd think the FCC would have set aside a different band
>>>> for that.
>>>
>>> Umm... LIDAR is radar using light instead of RF (radio
>>> frequencies).
>>> There's nothing in a strip mall that will trigger LIDAR.
>>> However, the
>>> 10.525GHz and 24GHz supermarket Doppler motion detectors
>>> will trigger
>>> radar detectors.
>>>
>>> A LIDAR speed gun can produce a reading in 0.3 seconds.
>>> See data
>>> sheet at:
>>> <https://kustomsignals.com/handheld-lidar/prolaser-4>
>>> In the time your radar detector needs to detect the LIDAR
>>> light, the
>>> speed trap already has your speed and photo, and you don't
>>> have any
>>> time to slow down.
>>>
>>> As for a dedicated frequency for different services,
>>> there's not
>>> enough spectrum available to do that.  The FCC no longer
>>> makes
>>> decisions based on technical merit or need.  The ongoing
>>> debacle about
>>> LightSquared/Ligado interfering with GPS is a good example of
>>> frequency allocation based on politics instead of technology.
>>> <https://spacenews.com/report-ligados-wireless-network-will-interfere-with-iridium-and-some-gps-services/>
>>>
>>> I can provide about 5 other past examples of politics
>>> over-riding
>>> technology if you want.
>>
>> Politics over technology? That's like politics over science!
>>
>> Surely, rational people would never pay more attention to a
>> politician than to thousands of scientists or engineers.
>> Would they?
>>
>
> The two interest areas, science and social policy, are irretrievably
> intertwined:
>
> https://gbdeclaration.org/
>
> https://www.lomborg.com/
>
> http://johnlott.org/

Andrew, you're an expert at mining the lowest tail of a normal curve.

To paraphrase one of your frequent statements: It's a big world. There's
at least one of every kind of opinion.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 9/27/2022 8:18 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 9/27/2022 1:23 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 9/27/2022 10:20 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 9/27/2022 2:03 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 23 Sep 2022 14:16:58 -0700 (PDT),
>>>> "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>>>> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 4:54:56 PM UTC-4,
>>>>> jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 23 Sep 2022 11:18:14 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>> "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>>>>>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 12:50:16 AM UTC-4,
>>>>>>> jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> Also, if you search the document for "Doppler", you'll
>>>>>>>> find that speed
>>>>>>>> measurement is heavily tied to Doppler shift
>>>>>>>> measurement.
>>>>>>> Doppler radar is precisely how every law enforcement
>>>>>>> radar speed "monitoring" system works. (now watch Jeff
>>>>>>> prove me wrong again).
>>>>>> Yep. There are other systems (monopulse, phased array,
>>>>>> CW, etc) that
>>>>>> will provide other useful information besides speed,
>>>>>> such as which
>>>>>> freeway lane the speeding car is in. Mobile speed guns
>>>>>> are mostly IR
>>>>>> laser:
>>>>>> <https://kustomsignals.com/handheld-lidar/prolaser-4>
>>>>>> while fixed installations (automatic speed traps) use RF.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Incidentally, I have two really ancient 24GHz Kustom
>>>>>> Road Runner radar
>>>>>> guns. Plenty fun measuring the speed of passing cyclists
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> calibrating my car speedometer.
>>>>>> <https://photos.app.goo.gl/92mdDZmTuCQUPEpK9>
>>>>
>>>>> Right, I got a radar detector as a present a few years
>>>>> ago that has a Lidar detector as well. I really can't use
>>>>> it in my area becasue there are so many other sources
>>>>> that set off the radar section. When I did have it in the
>>>>> car I don't think the lidar warning ever went off, but I
>>>>> had to keep it turned off most of the time since my
>>>>> commute at the time took me through a long section of
>>>>> strip malls with automatic door openers to the stores.
>>>>> You'd think the FCC would have set aside a different band
>>>>> for that.
>>>>
>>>> Umm... LIDAR is radar using light instead of RF (radio
>>>> frequencies).
>>>> There's nothing in a strip mall that will trigger LIDAR.
>>>> However, the
>>>> 10.525GHz and 24GHz supermarket Doppler motion detectors
>>>> will trigger
>>>> radar detectors.
>>>>
>>>> A LIDAR speed gun can produce a reading in 0.3 seconds.
>>>> See data
>>>> sheet at:
>>>> <https://kustomsignals.com/handheld-lidar/prolaser-4>
>>>> In the time your radar detector needs to detect the LIDAR
>>>> light, the
>>>> speed trap already has your speed and photo, and you don't
>>>> have any
>>>> time to slow down.
>>>>
>>>> As for a dedicated frequency for different services,
>>>> there's not
>>>> enough spectrum available to do that. The FCC no longer
>>>> makes
>>>> decisions based on technical merit or need. The ongoing
>>>> debacle about
>>>> LightSquared/Ligado interfering with GPS is a good
>>>> example of
>>>> frequency allocation based on politics instead of
>>>> technology.
>>>> <https://spacenews.com/report-ligados-wireless-network-will-interfere-with-iridium-and-some-gps-services/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I can provide about 5 other past examples of politics
>>>> over-riding
>>>> technology if you want.
>>>
>>> Politics over technology? That's like politics over science!
>>>
>>> Surely, rational people would never pay more attention to a
>>> politician than to thousands of scientists or engineers.
>>> Would they?
>>>
>>
>> The two interest areas, science and social policy, are
>> irretrievably intertwined:
>>
>> https://gbdeclaration.org/
>>
>> https://www.lomborg.com/
>>
>> http://johnlott.org/
>
> Andrew, you're an expert at mining the lowest tail of a
> normal curve.
>
> To paraphrase one of your frequent statements: It's a big
> world. There's at least one of every kind of opinion.
>

I agree and that's my point exactly.

We cannot separate science from policy now, as both areas
are filled with dissent, counterpoints and stubborn facts.

To administratively decree any particular 'scientific'
analysis as 'truth' and promote it over reasonably credible
dissent serves no one well in the end. To stymie, stifle,
ban and persecute dissent is worse and ought to offend even
those who have no particular opinion on the issue at hand.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 9:32:35 PM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
> On 9/27/2022 8:18 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >
> >
> > Andrew, you're an expert at mining the lowest tail of a
> > normal curve.
> >
> > To paraphrase one of your frequent statements: It's a big
> > world. There's at least one of every kind of opinion.
> >
> I agree and that's my point exactly.
>
> We cannot separate science from policy now, as both areas
> are filled with dissent, counterpoints and stubborn facts.

Your "now" sounds like you think there was a time when science was unanimous.
But there never was such a time. While evidence pointed to the existence
of bacteria and viruses, there were still "scientists" who believed in things like
curses, miasma, or "bad air" as causes of disease.

> To administratively decree any particular 'scientific'
> analysis as 'truth' and promote it over reasonably credible
> dissent serves no one well in the end.

What's "reasonably credible" depends VERY heavily on who is doing the reasoning.
There are people who believe in the curative power of flowers. (See "Bach Flower
Remedies.") Others believe in the healing power of crystals. And of course, we now
"know" that CBD oil cures damn near everything. Should insurance companies
and governments really throw money at those beliefs? Personally, I don't think so.

Rational policy decisions almost always depend on the consensus of _not_ just
any Tom, Dick and Harry (or whoever). Instead, it makes sense to pay attention
to consensus among people who have recognized credentials and expertise.

> To stymie, stifle,
> ban and persecute dissent is worse and ought to offend even
> those who have no particular opinion on the issue at hand.

Science, and consequently science based policy decisions, _must_ ignore
outlier opinions. It's obviously impossible to base policy on every weird opinion that
gets generated by every weird mind.

I haven't heard about Bach Flower Remedies for Covid, but I bet they've been proposed.
You may disagree, but I don't think we should promote or fund those proposals.

- Frank Krygowski

On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 20:32:32 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 9/27/2022 8:18 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 9/27/2022 1:23 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 9/27/2022 10:20 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>> On 9/27/2022 2:03 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 23 Sep 2022 14:16:58 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>> "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>>>>> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 4:54:56 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>> jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 23 Sep 2022 11:18:14 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>> "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>>>>>>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 12:50:16 AM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>> jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Also, if you search the document for "Doppler", you'll
>>>>>>>>> find that speed
>>>>>>>>> measurement is heavily tied to Doppler shift
>>>>>>>>> measurement.
>>>>>>>> Doppler radar is precisely how every law enforcement
>>>>>>>> radar speed "monitoring" system works. (now watch Jeff
>>>>>>>> prove me wrong again).
>>>>>>> Yep. There are other systems (monopulse, phased array,
>>>>>>> CW, etc) that
>>>>>>> will provide other useful information besides speed,
>>>>>>> such as which
>>>>>>> freeway lane the speeding car is in. Mobile speed guns
>>>>>>> are mostly IR
>>>>>>> laser:
>>>>>>> <https://kustomsignals.com/handheld-lidar/prolaser-4>
>>>>>>> while fixed installations (automatic speed traps) use RF.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Incidentally, I have two really ancient 24GHz Kustom
>>>>>>> Road Runner radar
>>>>>>> guns. Plenty fun measuring the speed of passing cyclists
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> calibrating my car speedometer.
>>>>>>> <https://photos.app.goo.gl/92mdDZmTuCQUPEpK9>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Right, I got a radar detector as a present a few years
>>>>>> ago that has a Lidar detector as well. I really can't use
>>>>>> it in my area becasue there are so many other sources
>>>>>> that set off the radar section. When I did have it in the
>>>>>> car I don't think the lidar warning ever went off, but I
>>>>>> had to keep it turned off most of the time since my
>>>>>> commute at the time took me through a long section of
>>>>>> strip malls with automatic door openers to the stores.
>>>>>> You'd think the FCC would have set aside a different band
>>>>>> for that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Umm... LIDAR is radar using light instead of RF (radio
>>>>> frequencies).
>>>>> There's nothing in a strip mall that will trigger LIDAR.
>>>>> However, the
>>>>> 10.525GHz and 24GHz supermarket Doppler motion detectors
>>>>> will trigger
>>>>> radar detectors.
>>>>>
>>>>> A LIDAR speed gun can produce a reading in 0.3 seconds.
>>>>> See data
>>>>> sheet at:
>>>>> <https://kustomsignals.com/handheld-lidar/prolaser-4>
>>>>> In the time your radar detector needs to detect the LIDAR
>>>>> light, the
>>>>> speed trap already has your speed and photo, and you don't
>>>>> have any
>>>>> time to slow down.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for a dedicated frequency for different services,
>>>>> there's not
>>>>> enough spectrum available to do that. The FCC no longer
>>>>> makes
>>>>> decisions based on technical merit or need. The ongoing
>>>>> debacle about
>>>>> LightSquared/Ligado interfering with GPS is a good
>>>>> example of
>>>>> frequency allocation based on politics instead of
>>>>> technology.
>>>>> <https://spacenews.com/report-ligados-wireless-network-will-interfere-with-iridium-and-some-gps-services/>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I can provide about 5 other past examples of politics
>>>>> over-riding
>>>>> technology if you want.
>>>>
>>>> Politics over technology? That's like politics over science!
>>>>
>>>> Surely, rational people would never pay more attention to a
>>>> politician than to thousands of scientists or engineers.
>>>> Would they?
>>>>
>>>
>>> The two interest areas, science and social policy, are
>>> irretrievably intertwined:
>>>
>>> https://gbdeclaration.org/
>>>
>>> https://www.lomborg.com/
>>>
>>> http://johnlott.org/
>>
>> Andrew, you're an expert at mining the lowest tail of a
>> normal curve.
>>
>> To paraphrase one of your frequent statements: It's a big
>> world. There's at least one of every kind of opinion.
>>
>
>I agree and that's my point exactly.
>
>We cannot separate science from policy now, as both areas
>are filled with dissent, counterpoints and stubborn facts.
>
>To administratively decree any particular 'scientific'
>analysis as 'truth' and promote it over reasonably credible
>dissent serves no one well in the end. To stymie, stifle,
>ban and persecute dissent is worse and ought to offend even
>those who have no particular opinion on the issue at hand.

Well said..

On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 20:47:29 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 9:32:35 PM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 9/27/2022 8:18 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Andrew, you're an expert at mining the lowest tail of a
>> > normal curve.
>> >
>> > To paraphrase one of your frequent statements: It's a big
>> > world. There's at least one of every kind of opinion.
>> >
>> I agree and that's my point exactly.
>>
>> We cannot separate science from policy now, as both areas
>> are filled with dissent, counterpoints and stubborn facts.
>
>Your "now" sounds like you think there was a time when science was unanimous.
>But there never was such a time. While evidence pointed to the existence
>of bacteria and viruses, there were still "scientists" who believed in things like
>curses, miasma, or "bad air" as causes of disease.
>
>> To administratively decree any particular 'scientific'
>> analysis as 'truth' and promote it over reasonably credible
>> dissent serves no one well in the end.
>
>What's "reasonably credible" depends VERY heavily on who is doing the reasoning.
>There are people who believe in the curative power of flowers. (See "Bach Flower
>Remedies.") Others believe in the healing power of crystals. And of course, we now
>"know" that CBD oil cures damn near everything. Should insurance companies
>and governments really throw money at those beliefs? Personally, I don't think so.
>
>Rational policy decisions almost always depend on the consensus of _not_ just
>any Tom, Dick and Harry (or whoever). Instead, it makes sense to pay attention
>to consensus among people who have recognized credentials and expertise.
>
>> To stymie, stifle,
>> ban and persecute dissent is worse and ought to offend even
>> those who have no particular opinion on the issue at hand.
>
>Science, and consequently science based policy decisions, _must_ ignore
>outlier opinions. It's obviously impossible to base policy on every weird opinion that
>gets generated by every weird mind.
>
>I haven't heard about Bach Flower Remedies for Covid, but I bet they've been proposed.
>You may disagree, but I don't think we should promote or fund those proposals.
>
>- Frank Krygowski

To assume that some scientist or politician or some old, has been,
fruitcake from Ohio knows what's best for me is just stupid, but to
always obey the government's "orders" based on its assumptions of
what's best for me would be asinine.

When I saw Fauci wearing two masks, I knew he was not to be believed
nor trusted, and of course, Biden divested himself of any credibility
long before he was nominated.

Whenever I saw someone wearing a mask when out on a bicycle, or all
alone in a car, I knew they must be a follow the leader liberal.

On 9/27/2022 10:47 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 9:32:35 PM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 9/27/2022 8:18 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Andrew, you're an expert at mining the lowest tail of a
>>> normal curve.
>>>
>>> To paraphrase one of your frequent statements: It's a big
>>> world. There's at least one of every kind of opinion.
>>>
>> I agree and that's my point exactly.
>>
>> We cannot separate science from policy now, as both areas
>> are filled with dissent, counterpoints and stubborn facts.
>
> Your "now" sounds like you think there was a time when science was unanimous.
> But there never was such a time. While evidence pointed to the existence
> of bacteria and viruses, there were still "scientists" who believed in things like
> curses, miasma, or "bad air" as causes of disease.
>
>> To administratively decree any particular 'scientific'
>> analysis as 'truth' and promote it over reasonably credible
>> dissent serves no one well in the end.
>
> What's "reasonably credible" depends VERY heavily on who is doing the reasoning.
> There are people who believe in the curative power of flowers. (See "Bach Flower
> Remedies.") Others believe in the healing power of crystals. And of course, we now
> "know" that CBD oil cures damn near everything. Should insurance companies
> and governments really throw money at those beliefs? Personally, I don't think so.
>
> Rational policy decisions almost always depend on the consensus of _not_ just
> any Tom, Dick and Harry (or whoever). Instead, it makes sense to pay attention
> to consensus among people who have recognized credentials and expertise.
>
>> To stymie, stifle,
>> ban and persecute dissent is worse and ought to offend even
>> those who have no particular opinion on the issue at hand.
>
> Science, and consequently science based policy decisions, _must_ ignore
> outlier opinions. It's obviously impossible to base policy on every weird opinion that
> gets generated by every weird mind.
>
> I haven't heard about Bach Flower Remedies for Covid, but I bet they've been proposed.
> You may disagree, but I don't think we should promote or fund those proposals.
>
> - Frank Krygowski
>

Yesterday's 22 second video "because Science! "

https://710wor.iheart.com/featured/mark-simone/content/2022-09-27-watch-joe-biden-give-the-weirdest-hurricane-advice-ever/

A shot which doesn't prevent infection nor reduce contagion
is now called a 'vaccine'. I rest my case.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 6:32:35 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 9/27/2022 8:18 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > On 9/27/2022 1:23 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> >> On 9/27/2022 10:20 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>> On 9/27/2022 2:03 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> >>>> On Fri, 23 Sep 2022 14:16:58 -0700 (PDT),
> >>>> "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> >>>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 4:54:56 PM UTC-4,
> >>>>> jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>> On Fri, 23 Sep 2022 11:18:14 -0700 (PDT),
> >>>>>> "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> >>>>>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 12:50:16 AM UTC-4,
> >>>>>>> jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Also, if you search the document for "Doppler", you'll
> >>>>>>>> find that speed
> >>>>>>>> measurement is heavily tied to Doppler shift
> >>>>>>>> measurement.
> >>>>>>> Doppler radar is precisely how every law enforcement
> >>>>>>> radar speed "monitoring" system works. (now watch Jeff
> >>>>>>> prove me wrong again).
> >>>>>> Yep. There are other systems (monopulse, phased array,
> >>>>>> CW, etc) that
> >>>>>> will provide other useful information besides speed,
> >>>>>> such as which
> >>>>>> freeway lane the speeding car is in. Mobile speed guns
> >>>>>> are mostly IR
> >>>>>> laser:
> >>>>>> <https://kustomsignals.com/handheld-lidar/prolaser-4>
> >>>>>> while fixed installations (automatic speed traps) use RF.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Incidentally, I have two really ancient 24GHz Kustom
> >>>>>> Road Runner radar
> >>>>>> guns. Plenty fun measuring the speed of passing cyclists
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>> calibrating my car speedometer.
> >>>>>> <https://photos.app.goo.gl/92mdDZmTuCQUPEpK9>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Right, I got a radar detector as a present a few years
> >>>>> ago that has a Lidar detector as well. I really can't use
> >>>>> it in my area becasue there are so many other sources
> >>>>> that set off the radar section. When I did have it in the
> >>>>> car I don't think the lidar warning ever went off, but I
> >>>>> had to keep it turned off most of the time since my
> >>>>> commute at the time took me through a long section of
> >>>>> strip malls with automatic door openers to the stores.
> >>>>> You'd think the FCC would have set aside a different band
> >>>>> for that.
> >>>>
> >>>> Umm... LIDAR is radar using light instead of RF (radio
> >>>> frequencies).
> >>>> There's nothing in a strip mall that will trigger LIDAR.
> >>>> However, the
> >>>> 10.525GHz and 24GHz supermarket Doppler motion detectors
> >>>> will trigger
> >>>> radar detectors.
> >>>>
> >>>> A LIDAR speed gun can produce a reading in 0.3 seconds.
> >>>> See data
> >>>> sheet at:
> >>>> <https://kustomsignals.com/handheld-lidar/prolaser-4>
> >>>> In the time your radar detector needs to detect the LIDAR
> >>>> light, the
> >>>> speed trap already has your speed and photo, and you don't
> >>>> have any
> >>>> time to slow down.
> >>>>
> >>>> As for a dedicated frequency for different services,
> >>>> there's not
> >>>> enough spectrum available to do that.Ā The FCC no longer
> >>>> makes
> >>>> decisions based on technical merit or need.Ā The ongoing
> >>>> debacle about
> >>>> LightSquared/Ligado interfering with GPS is a good
> >>>> example of
> >>>> frequency allocation based on politics instead of
> >>>> technology.
> >>>> <https://spacenews.com/report-ligados-wireless-network-will-interfere-with-iridium-and-some-gps-services/>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I can provide about 5 other past examples of politics
> >>>> over-riding
> >>>> technology if you want.
> >>>
> >>> Politics over technology? That's like politics over science!
> >>>
> >>> Surely, rational people would never pay more attention to a
> >>> politician than to thousands of scientists or engineers.
> >>> Would they?
> >>>
> >>
> >> The two interest areas, science and social policy, are
> >> irretrievably intertwined:
> >>
> >> https://gbdeclaration.org/
> >>
> >> https://www.lomborg.com/
> >>
> >> http://johnlott.org/
> >
> > Andrew, you're an expert at mining the lowest tail of a
> > normal curve.
> >
> > To paraphrase one of your frequent statements: It's a big
> > world. There's at least one of every kind of opinion.
> >
> I agree and that's my point exactly.
>
> We cannot separate science from policy now, as both areas
> are filled with dissent, counterpoints and stubborn facts.
>
> To administratively decree any particular 'scientific'
> analysis as 'truth' and promote it over reasonably credible
> dissent serves no one well in the end. To stymie, stifle,
> ban and persecute dissent is worse and ought to offend even
> those who have no particular opinion on the issue at hand.

Andrew - while you may THINK that there is disagreement about science there really isn't. We do have entirely incorrect theories but they are all of a very small minority and are used by politicians to their own ends. Science as a whole is correct. Why do you think that they don't interview real climate experts on the "nightly news"? Because climate change is from ONE source - Dr. Michael Mann and a very few of his cohorts to whom the government has been pouring huge grants to continue the fear in the public.

As I have shown you - EVEN in the CDC outside of the control of Fauci, they know what is going on.

Science is the study of what is and not what politicians would want it to be. For all that I didn't like Jimmy Carter, he WAS a realist and not a politician. I sat there and listened to my company managers talk to him and watched his responses. He was real. Remember Obama saying that he would have "every American boot on American soil withing 16 weeks of being elected"? He had absolutely no intentions of ever doing that and he didn't. He collected his paycheck from the war machine and smiled to the American public for putting him in a position to be bribed so handsomely.

This isn't about a large difference of opinions. It is just like Italy - The politicians believe that they can do literally ANYTHING because the same people are controlling both parties. Well the people rose up there and they are about to rise up here unless the Democrats have so perfected their election fraud that they can simply take over here.

Frank is nothing more than a pure and simple minded communist. Of course he denies it while espousing every single communist value.

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 5:59:32 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 9/27/2022 10:47 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 9:32:35 PM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
> >> On 9/27/2022 8:18 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Andrew, you're an expert at mining the lowest tail of a
> >>> normal curve.
> >>>
> >>> To paraphrase one of your frequent statements: It's a big
> >>> world. There's at least one of every kind of opinion.
> >>>
> >> I agree and that's my point exactly.
> >>
> >> We cannot separate science from policy now, as both areas
> >> are filled with dissent, counterpoints and stubborn facts.
> >
> > Your "now" sounds like you think there was a time when science was unanimous.
> > But there never was such a time. While evidence pointed to the existence
> > of bacteria and viruses, there were still "scientists" who believed in things like
> > curses, miasma, or "bad air" as causes of disease.
> >
> >> To administratively decree any particular 'scientific'
> >> analysis as 'truth' and promote it over reasonably credible
> >> dissent serves no one well in the end.
> >
> > What's "reasonably credible" depends VERY heavily on who is doing the reasoning.
> > There are people who believe in the curative power of flowers. (See "Bach Flower
> > Remedies.") Others believe in the healing power of crystals. And of course, we now
> > "know" that CBD oil cures damn near everything. Should insurance companies
> > and governments really throw money at those beliefs? Personally, I don't think so.
> >
> > Rational policy decisions almost always depend on the consensus of _not_ just
> > any Tom, Dick and Harry (or whoever). Instead, it makes sense to pay attention
> > to consensus among people who have recognized credentials and expertise..
> >
> >> To stymie, stifle,
> >> ban and persecute dissent is worse and ought to offend even
> >> those who have no particular opinion on the issue at hand.
> >
> > Science, and consequently science based policy decisions, _must_ ignore
> > outlier opinions. It's obviously impossible to base policy on every weird opinion that
> > gets generated by every weird mind.
> >
> > I haven't heard about Bach Flower Remedies for Covid, but I bet they've been proposed.
> > You may disagree, but I don't think we should promote or fund those proposals.
> >
> > - Frank Krygowski
> >
> Yesterday's 22 second video "because Science! "
>
> https://710wor.iheart.com/featured/mark-simone/content/2022-09-27-watch-joe-biden-give-the-weirdest-hurricane-advice-ever/
>
> A shot which doesn't prevent infection nor reduce contagion
> is now called a 'vaccine'. I rest my case.

But all of the studies are showing that it DOES cause a high percentage of Myocarditis and Pericarditis and it increases the possibility of Alzheimer dementia by 60%. So all of you good little Fauci lovers should rush right down and get a shot of poison. They have single handedly killed more people than the Vietnam war when the final tally has come in.

On 9/28/2022 8:59 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 9/27/2022 10:47 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 9:32:35 PM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 9/27/2022 8:18 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Andrew, you're an expert at mining the lowest tail of a
>>>> normal curve.
>>>>
>>>> To paraphrase one of your frequent statements: It's a big
>>>> world. There's at least one of every kind of opinion.
>>>>
>>> I agree and that's my point exactly.
>>>
>>> We cannot separate science from policy now, as both areas
>>> are filled with dissent, counterpoints and stubborn facts.
>>
>> Your "now" sounds like you think there was a time when science was
>> unanimous.
>> But there never was such a time. While evidence pointed to the existence
>> of bacteria and viruses, there were still "scientists" who believed in
>> things like
>> curses, miasma, or "bad air" as causes of disease.
>>
>>> To administratively decree any particular 'scientific'
>>> analysis as 'truth' and promote it over reasonably credible
>>> dissent serves no one well in the end.
>>
>> What's "reasonably credible" depends VERY heavily on who is doing the
>> reasoning.
>> There are people who believe in the curative power of flowers. (See
>> "Bach Flower
>> Remedies.") Others believe in the healing power of crystals. And of
>> course, we now
>> "know" that CBD oil cures damn near everything. Should insurance
>> companies
>> and governments really throw money at those beliefs? Personally, I
>> don't think so.
>>
>> Rational policy decisions almost always depend on the consensus of
>> _not_ just
>> any Tom, Dick and Harry (or whoever). Instead, it makes sense to pay
>> attention
>> to consensus among people who have recognized credentials and expertise.
>>
>>> To stymie, stifle,
>>> ban and persecute dissent is worse and ought to offend even
>>> those who have no particular opinion on the issue at hand.
>>
>> Science, and consequently science based policy decisions, _must_ ignore
>> outlier opinions. It's obviously impossible to base policy on every
>> weird opinion that
>> gets generated by every weird mind.
>>
>> I haven't heard about Bach Flower Remedies for Covid, but I bet
>> they've been proposed.
>> You may disagree, but I don't think we should promote or fund those
>> proposals.
>>
>> - Frank Krygowski
>>
>
>
> Yesterday's 22 second video "because Science! "
>
> https://710wor.iheart.com/featured/mark-simone/content/2022-09-27-watch-joe-biden-give-the-weirdest-hurricane-advice-ever/
>
> A shot which doesn't prevent infection nor reduce contagion is now
> called a 'vaccine'. I rest my case.

So consider a shot that greatly reduces the odds of infection, and
greatly reduces the seriousness of symptoms if infection occurs. What
should that be called?

The medical community breathlessly awaits your opinion! They want to
apply your chosen term to the shingles vaccine, the influenza vaccine,
the chicken pox vaccine and many others.

... or maybe they don't. As I said, rational policies _must_ ignore
outlier opinions.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 9/28/2022 9:55 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> But all of the studies are showing that [the Covid vaccine] DOES cause a high percentage of Myocarditis and Pericarditis and it increases the possibility of Alzheimer dementia by 60%.

Bullshit.

If you have credible citations, post them.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 9/28/2022 9:48 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> ... climate change is from ONE source - Dr. Michael Mann and a very few of his cohorts to whom the government has been pouring huge grants to continue the fear in the public.

Absolute bullshit - or beyond bullshit, into insanity.

Climate scientists around the world are nearly unanimous about
human-caused climate change. Evidence is apparent in many separate and
independent scientific fields. There's no way "the government" can have
funded a worldwide conspiracy to pay off all the scientists and alter
all the data.

Tom is deep into paranoid delusion.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 5:59:32 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 9/27/2022 10:47 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 9:32:35 PM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
> >> On 9/27/2022 8:18 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Andrew, you're an expert at mining the lowest tail of a
> >>> normal curve.
> >>>
> >>> To paraphrase one of your frequent statements: It's a big
> >>> world. There's at least one of every kind of opinion.
> >>>
> >> I agree and that's my point exactly.
> >>
> >> We cannot separate science from policy now, as both areas
> >> are filled with dissent, counterpoints and stubborn facts.
> >
> > Your "now" sounds like you think there was a time when science was unanimous.
> > But there never was such a time. While evidence pointed to the existence
> > of bacteria and viruses, there were still "scientists" who believed in things like
> > curses, miasma, or "bad air" as causes of disease.
> >
> >> To administratively decree any particular 'scientific'
> >> analysis as 'truth' and promote it over reasonably credible
> >> dissent serves no one well in the end.
> >
> > What's "reasonably credible" depends VERY heavily on who is doing the reasoning.
> > There are people who believe in the curative power of flowers. (See "Bach Flower
> > Remedies.") Others believe in the healing power of crystals. And of course, we now
> > "know" that CBD oil cures damn near everything. Should insurance companies
> > and governments really throw money at those beliefs? Personally, I don't think so.
> >
> > Rational policy decisions almost always depend on the consensus of _not_ just
> > any Tom, Dick and Harry (or whoever). Instead, it makes sense to pay attention
> > to consensus among people who have recognized credentials and expertise..
> >
> >> To stymie, stifle,
> >> ban and persecute dissent is worse and ought to offend even
> >> those who have no particular opinion on the issue at hand.
> >
> > Science, and consequently science based policy decisions, _must_ ignore
> > outlier opinions. It's obviously impossible to base policy on every weird opinion that
> > gets generated by every weird mind.
> >
> > I haven't heard about Bach Flower Remedies for Covid, but I bet they've been proposed.
> > You may disagree, but I don't think we should promote or fund those proposals.
> >
> > - Frank Krygowski
> >
> Yesterday's 22 second video "because Science! "
>
> https://710wor.iheart.com/featured/mark-simone/content/2022-09-27-watch-joe-biden-give-the-weirdest-hurricane-advice-ever/
>
> A shot which doesn't prevent infection nor reduce contagion
> is now called a 'vaccine'. I rest my case.

Since no doubt the stupid six are going to deny everything EVEN the CDC admits that the Vaccines are killing people https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/myocarditis.html?s_cid=11537:%2Bmyocarditis%20%2Bcovid%20%2Bvaccine:sem.b:p:RG:GM:gen:PTN:FY21

I especially like the part that if you die as a result of being vaccinated you should report it to VAERS.

On 9/28/2022 12:01 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 9/28/2022 9:48 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> ... climate change is from ONE source - Dr. Michael Mann and a very
>> few of his cohorts to whom the government has been pouring huge grants
>> to continue the fear in the public.
>
> Absolute bullshit - or beyond bullshit, into insanity.
>
> Climate scientists around the world are nearly unanimous about
> human-caused climate change. Evidence is apparent in many separate and
> independent scientific fields. There's no way "the government" can have
> funded a worldwide conspiracy to pay off all the scientists and alter
> all the data.

For example:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/study-heatwave-led-unprecedented-melt-090910362.html

>
> Tom is deep into paranoid delusion.
>

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 9/28/2022 10:55 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 9/28/2022 9:55 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>
>> But all of the studies are showing that [the Covid
>> vaccine] DOES cause a high percentage of Myocarditis and
>> Pericarditis and it increases the possibility of Alzheimer
>> dementia by 60%.
>
> Bullshit.
>
> If you have credible citations, post them.
>

They're well reported with increasing frequency. This
specialist MD was interviewed in my paper yesterday:

https://gcsmaui.org/news/update-on-myocarditis-by-pediatric-cardiologist-kirk-milhoan-md-phd-faap-facc/

https://www.dailywire.com/news/admirals-demand-answers-over-coast-guard-cadets-allegedly-expelled-for-vaccine-exemption-requests

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 9/28/2022 11:19 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 5:59:32 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 9/27/2022 10:47 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 9:32:35 PM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 9/27/2022 8:18 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Andrew, you're an expert at mining the lowest tail of a
>>>>> normal curve.
>>>>>
>>>>> To paraphrase one of your frequent statements: It's a big
>>>>> world. There's at least one of every kind of opinion.
>>>>>
>>>> I agree and that's my point exactly.
>>>>
>>>> We cannot separate science from policy now, as both areas
>>>> are filled with dissent, counterpoints and stubborn facts.
>>>
>>> Your "now" sounds like you think there was a time when science was unanimous.
>>> But there never was such a time. While evidence pointed to the existence
>>> of bacteria and viruses, there were still "scientists" who believed in things like
>>> curses, miasma, or "bad air" as causes of disease.
>>>
>>>> To administratively decree any particular 'scientific'
>>>> analysis as 'truth' and promote it over reasonably credible
>>>> dissent serves no one well in the end.
>>>
>>> What's "reasonably credible" depends VERY heavily on who is doing the reasoning.
>>> There are people who believe in the curative power of flowers. (See "Bach Flower
>>> Remedies.") Others believe in the healing power of crystals. And of course, we now
>>> "know" that CBD oil cures damn near everything. Should insurance companies
>>> and governments really throw money at those beliefs? Personally, I don't think so.
>>>
>>> Rational policy decisions almost always depend on the consensus of _not_ just
>>> any Tom, Dick and Harry (or whoever). Instead, it makes sense to pay attention
>>> to consensus among people who have recognized credentials and expertise.
>>>
>>>> To stymie, stifle,
>>>> ban and persecute dissent is worse and ought to offend even
>>>> those who have no particular opinion on the issue at hand.
>>>
>>> Science, and consequently science based policy decisions, _must_ ignore
>>> outlier opinions. It's obviously impossible to base policy on every weird opinion that
>>> gets generated by every weird mind.
>>>
>>> I haven't heard about Bach Flower Remedies for Covid, but I bet they've been proposed.
>>> You may disagree, but I don't think we should promote or fund those proposals.
>>>
>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>
>> Yesterday's 22 second video "because Science! "
>>
>> https://710wor.iheart.com/featured/mark-simone/content/2022-09-27-watch-joe-biden-give-the-weirdest-hurricane-advice-ever/
>>
>> A shot which doesn't prevent infection nor reduce contagion
>> is now called a 'vaccine'. I rest my case.
>
> Since no doubt the stupid six are going to deny everything EVEN the CDC admits that the Vaccines are killing people https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/myocarditis.html?s_cid=11537:%2Bmyocarditis%20%2Bcovid%20%2Bvaccine:sem.b:p:RG:GM:gen:PTN:FY21
>
> I especially like the part that if you die as a result of being vaccinated you should report it to VAERS.
>

Or else... what?

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 11:02:37 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 9/28/2022 11:19 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 5:59:32 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> >> On 9/27/2022 10:47 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 9:32:35 PM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>> On 9/27/2022 8:18 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Andrew, you're an expert at mining the lowest tail of a
> >>>>> normal curve.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> To paraphrase one of your frequent statements: It's a big
> >>>>> world. There's at least one of every kind of opinion.
> >>>>>
> >>>> I agree and that's my point exactly.
> >>>>
> >>>> We cannot separate science from policy now, as both areas
> >>>> are filled with dissent, counterpoints and stubborn facts.
> >>>
> >>> Your "now" sounds like you think there was a time when science was unanimous.
> >>> But there never was such a time. While evidence pointed to the existence
> >>> of bacteria and viruses, there were still "scientists" who believed in things like
> >>> curses, miasma, or "bad air" as causes of disease.
> >>>
> >>>> To administratively decree any particular 'scientific'
> >>>> analysis as 'truth' and promote it over reasonably credible
> >>>> dissent serves no one well in the end.
> >>>
> >>> What's "reasonably credible" depends VERY heavily on who is doing the reasoning.
> >>> There are people who believe in the curative power of flowers. (See "Bach Flower
> >>> Remedies.") Others believe in the healing power of crystals. And of course, we now
> >>> "know" that CBD oil cures damn near everything. Should insurance companies
> >>> and governments really throw money at those beliefs? Personally, I don't think so.
> >>>
> >>> Rational policy decisions almost always depend on the consensus of _not_ just
> >>> any Tom, Dick and Harry (or whoever). Instead, it makes sense to pay attention
> >>> to consensus among people who have recognized credentials and expertise.
> >>>
> >>>> To stymie, stifle,
> >>>> ban and persecute dissent is worse and ought to offend even
> >>>> those who have no particular opinion on the issue at hand.
> >>>
> >>> Science, and consequently science based policy decisions, _must_ ignore
> >>> outlier opinions. It's obviously impossible to base policy on every weird opinion that
> >>> gets generated by every weird mind.
> >>>
> >>> I haven't heard about Bach Flower Remedies for Covid, but I bet they've been proposed.
> >>> You may disagree, but I don't think we should promote or fund those proposals.
> >>>
> >>> - Frank Krygowski
> >>>
> >> Yesterday's 22 second video "because Science! "
> >>
> >> https://710wor.iheart.com/featured/mark-simone/content/2022-09-27-watch-joe-biden-give-the-weirdest-hurricane-advice-ever/
> >>
> >> A shot which doesn't prevent infection nor reduce contagion
> >> is now called a 'vaccine'. I rest my case.
> >
> > Since no doubt the stupid six are going to deny everything EVEN the CDC admits that the Vaccines are killing people https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/myocarditis.html?s_cid=11537:%2Bmyocarditis%20%2Bcovid%20%2Bvaccine:sem.b:p:RG:GM:gen:PTN:FY21
> >
> > I especially like the part that if you die as a result of being vaccinated you should report it to VAERS.
> >
> Or else... what?

Now isn't that exactly the question. The stupid six pretend that the vaccines actually work when by now the entire world knows that they do nothing. Denmark, Sweden and Finland had absolutely NO difference in the per capita incidence of covid-19 despite Denmark making it a privately paid for vaccination meaning that no one got it.

The vaccines were no such thing, they didn't prevent the disease, they didn't reduce the symptoms and they didn't prevent transmission of the disease. They did cause countless deaths for reasons like heart swelling to VAIDS. I can't believe that VAIDS would ever become a major problem but time will tell. Though if there is one group that could really do to be silenced by their own false beliefs it is the stupid six.

To my mind, the vaccination of 6 year old's should be considered a criminal act and the vaccine manufacturers held to account.

On 9/28/2022 2:00 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 9/28/2022 10:55 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 9/28/2022 9:55 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>
>>> But all of the studies are showing that [the Covid
>>> vaccine] DOES cause a high percentage of Myocarditis and
>>> Pericarditis and it increases the possibility of Alzheimer
>>> dementia by 60%.
>>
>> Bullshit.
>>
>> If you have credible citations, post them.
>>
>
> They're well reported with increasing frequency. This specialist MD was
> interviewed in my paper yesterday:
>
> https://gcsmaui.org/news/update-on-myocarditis-by-pediatric-cardiologist-kirk-milhoan-md-phd-faap-facc/

I'll skip listening to a 45 minute video, if you don't mind. The
synopsis doesn't seem to contain much data on the frequency of
myocarditis among those vaccinated, and it didn't seem to mention
Alzheimer's at all.

Data elsewhere claims about 2000 myocarditis cases out of 350 million
vaccination doses.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2788346 And those few
cases typically resolved quickly after no meds beyond pain killers. How
is that an emergency?

> https://www.dailywire.com/news/admirals-demand-answers-over-coast-guard-cadets-allegedly-expelled-for-vaccine-exemption-requests

That seems to be entirely about religious (or quasi-religious) refusals
of the vaccine. It always amazes me that there are military people who
are religiously opposed to _this_ vaccine, when they normally get so
many other vaccines.

I thought for a while that it might be because they worship Trump as
their god. But that makes no sense. He's the guy that bragged about how
fast he got the vaccine produced.

(Oh, and he actually did call it a "vaccine"!)

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-renews-praise-covid-vaccines-one-greatest-achievements-mankind-n1286551

In general, "Here's something vaguely related" doesn't really work as
corroboration.

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- Frank Krygowski