Environment Canada, Canada's governmental source for weather information, has issued heat warnings for most of British Columbia and Alberta that extend all the way to the Arctic Circle.

You know it's bad when it's a sauna inside the arctic circle.

Not sure Alberta especially is real big on air conditioning.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/26/weather/heat-wave-forecast-west-east-coast/index.html

On 6/26/2021 12:37 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> Environment Canada, Canada's governmental source for weather information, has issued heat warnings for most of British Columbia and Alberta that extend all the way to the Arctic Circle.
>
> You know it's bad when it's a sauna inside the arctic circle.
>
> Not sure Alberta especially is real big on air conditioning.
>
> https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/26/weather/heat-wave-forecast-west-east-coast/index.html

 Is it true one will be worse than the other? :-)

                                       Mikek

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On Sunday, June 27, 2021 at 12:37:48 PM UTC+10, amdx wrote:
> On 6/26/2021 12:37 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > Environment Canada, Canada's governmental source for weather information, has issued heat warnings for most of British Columbia and Alberta that extend all the way to the Arctic Circle.
> >
> > You know it's bad when it's a sauna inside the arctic circle.
> >
> > Not sure Alberta especially is real big on air conditioning.
> >
> > https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/26/weather/heat-wave-forecast-west-east-coast/index.html
> Is it true one will be worse than the other? :-)

There is a theoretical possibility that they will be identically bad, but even then the west-coastians and the east-coastians won't believe it. Theirs is always going to have been worse than the other's.

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On Sat, 26 Jun 2021 21:37:42 -0500, amdx <amdx@knology.net> wrote:

>On 6/26/2021 12:37 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
>> Environment Canada, Canada's governmental source for weather information, has issued heat warnings for most of British Columbia and Alberta that extend all the way to the Arctic Circle.
>>
>> You know it's bad when it's a sauna inside the arctic circle.
>>
>> Not sure Alberta especially is real big on air conditioning.
>>
>> https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/26/weather/heat-wave-forecast-west-east-coast/index.html
>
>
>  Is it true one will be worse than the other? :-)
>
>                                        Mikek

OR one could be the same as the other.

One of those two choices.

On 6/26/2021 7:37 PM, amdx wrote:
> Is it true one will be worse than the other? :-)

It will obviously be in the mind of the beholder(s).

I know folks used to 110F here (AZ) would cringe at 90F on
the coast -- as the humidity is just inescapable.

It is similarly amusing to see people wearing *gloves*, here,
in the (above zero!) winter temperatures -- having lived in
places that get considerably colder.

I'll be curious to see what the folks on the northern
border/Canada think about this batch of temperatures!
Wanna bet there's a big run on "cooling devices" (fans,
if nothing else!)

On Saturday, June 26, 2021 at 10:37:48 PM UTC-4, amdx wrote:
> On 6/26/2021 12:37 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > Environment Canada, Canada's governmental source for weather information, has issued heat warnings for most of British Columbia and Alberta that extend all the way to the Arctic Circle.
> >
> > You know it's bad when it's a sauna inside the arctic circle.
> >
> > Not sure Alberta especially is real big on air conditioning.
> >
> > https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/26/weather/heat-wave-forecast-west-east-coast/index.html
> Is it true one will be worse than the other? :-)

Yes- a line of extreme weather clear across the top of continental U.S.

Berardelli explains what's happening here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZUt1fTxGAc

Jet stream instability of this magnitude means we're rapidly nearing the end. The once in 1000 year event is going to be permanent ongoing event. You can't even call it an event, it's more like just the way things are now.

>
> Mikek
>
>
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On 6/26/2021 12:37 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> Environment Canada, Canada's governmental source for weather information, has issued heat warnings for most of British Columbia and Alberta that extend all the way to the Arctic Circle.
>
> You know it's bad when it's a sauna inside the arctic circle.
>
> Not sure Alberta especially is real big on air conditioning.
>
> https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/26/weather/heat-wave-forecast-west-east-coast/index.html
>

Sparsely. I've been there.

On 6/27/2021 1:11 AM, Don Y wrote:
> On 6/26/2021 7:37 PM, amdx wrote:
>>   Is it true one will be worse than the other? :-)
>
> It will obviously be in the mind of the beholder(s).
>
> I know folks used to 110F here (AZ) would cringe at 90F on
> the coast -- as the humidity is just inescapable.
>
> It is similarly amusing to see people wearing *gloves*, here,
> in the (above zero!) winter temperatures -- having lived in
> places that get considerably colder.
>
> I'll be curious to see what the folks on the northern
> border/Canada think about this batch of temperatures!
> Wanna bet there's a big run on "cooling devices" (fans,
> if nothing else!)

Swamp coolers might work. When I was in Alberta (Medicine Hat) it was 3%
RH and when it got to 90F, the natives disappeared indoors. It was comfy
to me (a Texan).

On 6/27/2021 11:02 AM, John S wrote:
>> I'll be curious to see what the folks on the northern
>> border/Canada think about this batch of temperatures!
>> Wanna bet there's a big run on "cooling devices" (fans,
>> if nothing else!)
>
> Swamp coolers might work. When I was in Alberta (Medicine Hat) it was 3% RH and
> when it got to 90F, the natives disappeared indoors. It was comfy to me (a Texan).

But, is it *always* dry? E.g., coolers work fine here until mid June
(i.e., "Summer"). But, once Monsoon comes along (mid June), coolers
are ineffective (counterproductive?) and refrigeration is needed.

On 6/26/2021 11:59 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:
> On Sunday, June 27, 2021 at 12:37:48 PM UTC+10, amdx wrote:
>> On 6/26/2021 12:37 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
>>> Environment Canada, Canada's governmental source for weather information, has issued heat warnings for most of British Columbia and Alberta that extend all the way to the Arctic Circle.
>>>
>>> You know it's bad when it's a sauna inside the arctic circle.
>>>
>>> Not sure Alberta especially is real big on air conditioning.
>>>
>>> https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/26/weather/heat-wave-forecast-west-east-coast/index.html
>> Is it true one will be worse than the other? :-)
> There is a theoretical possibility that they will be identically bad, but even then the west-coastians and the east-coastians won't believe it. Theirs is always going to have been worse than the other's.
>
The measurements are good enough to say they are identical, close maybe,
but not identical.

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On Sat, 26 Jun 2021 23:11:32 -0700, Don Y
<blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:

>On 6/26/2021 7:37 PM, amdx wrote:
>> Is it true one will be worse than the other? :-)
>
>It will obviously be in the mind of the beholder(s).
>
>I know folks used to 110F here (AZ) would cringe at 90F on
>the coast -- as the humidity is just inescapable.
>
>It is similarly amusing to see people wearing *gloves*, here,
>in the (above zero!) winter temperatures -- having lived in
>places that get considerably colder.
>
>I'll be curious to see what the folks on the northern
>border/Canada think about this batch of temperatures!
>Wanna bet there's a big run on "cooling devices" (fans,
>if nothing else!)

Kind of muggy today. High of 27 (about 80°F). A bit hotter tomorrow
and rain, then down to 70°F highs for the rest of the week.

Not unusual weather for this time of year, more like mid-July weather
perhaps. <shrug>

--
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

On Sat, 26 Jun 2021 10:37:03 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

>Environment Canada, Canada's governmental source for weather information, has issued heat warnings for most of British Columbia and Alberta that extend all the way to the Arctic Circle.
>You know it's bad when it's a sauna inside the arctic circle.
>Not sure Alberta especially is real big on air conditioning.
>https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/26/weather/heat-wave-forecast-west-east-coast/index.html

Weather forecasting is fun:

"Changing the Way You Use Weather Data"
<https://home.pivotalweather.com>

NWS Hazards:
<https://www.pivotalweather.com/maps.php?ds=hazards&p=ndfd_sfctmax&r=conus>

NWS Forecast - West Coast
<https://www.pivotalweather.com/maps.php?data_type=forecasts&r=us_sw&p=ndfd_sfctmax&ds=ndfd>

CPC Temp Outlooks, 6-10 days and 8-14 days.
<https://www.pivotalweather.com/maps.php?ds=cpc&p=cpc_temp_d0610&r=us_sw>
<https://www.pivotalweather.com/maps.php?ds=cpc&p=cpc_temp_d0814&r=us_sw>

Drought map - West Coast
<https://www.pivotalweather.com/maps.php?ds=droughtmonitor&p=ndfd_sfctmax7&r=us_sw>

Animation instructions:
<https://home.pivotalweather.com/guides/animations>

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On 6/27/2021 8:39 PM, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Jun 2021 23:11:32 -0700, Don Y
> <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 6/26/2021 7:37 PM, amdx wrote:
>>> Is it true one will be worse than the other? :-)
>>
>> It will obviously be in the mind of the beholder(s).
>>
>> I know folks used to 110F here (AZ) would cringe at 90F on
>> the coast -- as the humidity is just inescapable.
>>
>> It is similarly amusing to see people wearing *gloves*, here,
>> in the (above zero!) winter temperatures -- having lived in
>> places that get considerably colder.
>>
>> I'll be curious to see what the folks on the northern
>> border/Canada think about this batch of temperatures!
>> Wanna bet there's a big run on "cooling devices" (fans,
>> if nothing else!)
>
> Kind of muggy today. High of 27 (about 80°F). A bit hotter tomorrow
> and rain, then down to 70°F highs for the rest of the week.
>
> Not unusual weather for this time of year, more like mid-July weather
> perhaps. <shrug>

But you're *east*, right? (Ontario?)

I was under the impression that the western half of the country would
be getting cooked, more, in this present "wave".

On Sun, 27 Jun 2021 23:39:33 -0400, Spehro Pefhany
<speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

>On Sat, 26 Jun 2021 23:11:32 -0700, Don Y
><blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On 6/26/2021 7:37 PM, amdx wrote:
>>> Is it true one will be worse than the other? :-)
>>
>>It will obviously be in the mind of the beholder(s).
>>
>>I know folks used to 110F here (AZ) would cringe at 90F on
>>the coast -- as the humidity is just inescapable.
>>
>>It is similarly amusing to see people wearing *gloves*, here,
>>in the (above zero!) winter temperatures -- having lived in
>>places that get considerably colder.
>>
>>I'll be curious to see what the folks on the northern
>>border/Canada think about this batch of temperatures!
>>Wanna bet there's a big run on "cooling devices" (fans,
>>if nothing else!)
>
>Kind of muggy today. High of 27 (about 80°F). A bit hotter tomorrow
>and rain, then down to 70°F highs for the rest of the week.
>
>Not unusual weather for this time of year, more like mid-July weather
>perhaps. <shrug>

I just had to move my car before the street pavers show up at 8AM. It
was chilly in sweats and a parka. It's 54F and 98% humidity. Saw a
coyote trotting past the house.

No views. Just fog.

--

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The best designs are necessarily accidental.

On 6/27/2021 9:37 PM, Don Y wrote:
> On 6/27/2021 8:39 PM, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
>> On Sat, 26 Jun 2021 23:11:32 -0700, Don Y
>> <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/26/2021 7:37 PM, amdx wrote:
>>>> Is it true one will be worse than the other? :-)
>>>
>>> It will obviously be in the mind of the beholder(s).
>>>
>>> I know folks used to 110F here (AZ) would cringe at 90F on
>>> the coast -- as the humidity is just inescapable.
>>>
>>> It is similarly amusing to see people wearing *gloves*, here,
>>> in the (above zero!) winter temperatures -- having lived in
>>> places that get considerably colder.
>>>
>>> I'll be curious to see what the folks on the northern
>>> border/Canada think about this batch of temperatures!
>>> Wanna bet there's a big run on "cooling devices" (fans,
>>> if nothing else!)
>>
>> Kind of muggy today. High of 27 (about 80°F). A bit hotter tomorrow
>> and rain, then down to 70°F highs for the rest of the week.
>>
>> Not unusual weather for this time of year, more like mid-July weather
>> perhaps. <shrug>
>
> But you're *east*, right? (Ontario?)
>
> I was under the impression that the western half of the country would
> be getting cooked, more, in this present "wave".

115F in BC. Now *that's* gotta hurt! (and I'll assume the THI
is considerably higher!)

On Mon, 28 Jun 2021 09:43:00 -0700, Don Y
<blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:

>
>
>115F in BC. Now *that's* gotta hurt! (and I'll assume the THI
>is considerably higher!)

I remember driving through the Okanagan valley ca. 1973, it was
incredibly hot/humid (no A/C on my '69 Valiant).

Vancouver is pretty hot (for Van) but only a bit over 100°F and
dropping down to 80s later in the week.

--
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

On 6/28/2021 8:33 PM, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Jun 2021 09:43:00 -0700, Don Y
> <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
>
>> 115F in BC. Now *that's* gotta hurt! (and I'll assume the THI
>> is considerably higher!)
>
> I remember driving through the Okanagan valley ca. 1973, it was
> incredibly hot/humid (no A/C on my '69 Valiant).
>
> Vancouver is pretty hot (for Van) but only a bit over 100°F and
> dropping down to 80s later in the week.

We have friends in BC that have always complained of the "heat",
here. It will be interesting to hear their take on the heat,
*there*!

On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 10:35:00 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Jun 2021 23:39:33 -0400, Spehro Pefhany
> <spef...@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 26 Jun 2021 23:11:32 -0700, Don Y
> ><blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >>On 6/26/2021 7:37 PM, amdx wrote:
> >>> Is it true one will be worse than the other? :-)
> >>
> >>It will obviously be in the mind of the beholder(s).
> >>
> >>I know folks used to 110F here (AZ) would cringe at 90F on
> >>the coast -- as the humidity is just inescapable.
> >>
> >>It is similarly amusing to see people wearing *gloves*, here,
> >>in the (above zero!) winter temperatures -- having lived in
> >>places that get considerably colder.
> >>
> >>I'll be curious to see what the folks on the northern
> >>border/Canada think about this batch of temperatures!
> >>Wanna bet there's a big run on "cooling devices" (fans,
> >>if nothing else!)
> >
> >Kind of muggy today. High of 27 (about 80°F). A bit hotter tomorrow
> >and rain, then down to 70°F highs for the rest of the week.
> >
> >Not unusual weather for this time of year, more like mid-July weather
> >perhaps. <shrug>
> I just had to move my car before the street pavers show up at 8AM. It
> was chilly in sweats and a parka. It's 54F and 98% humidity. Saw a
> coyote trotting past the house.
>
> No views. Just fog.

Bay area meteorologist gives some insight into Bay area weather and how perplexed they are. He says it's just a matter of time until SF is "bubbled."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj-DupH6v1Q

>
>
>
> --
>
> John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
>
> The best designs are necessarily accidental.

On Tue, 29 Jun 2021 03:47:01 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 10:35:00 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Jun 2021 23:39:33 -0400, Spehro Pefhany
>> <spef...@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sat, 26 Jun 2021 23:11:32 -0700, Don Y
>> ><blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:
>> >
>> >>On 6/26/2021 7:37 PM, amdx wrote:
>> >>> Is it true one will be worse than the other? :-)
>> >>
>> >>It will obviously be in the mind of the beholder(s).
>> >>
>> >>I know folks used to 110F here (AZ) would cringe at 90F on
>> >>the coast -- as the humidity is just inescapable.
>> >>
>> >>It is similarly amusing to see people wearing *gloves*, here,
>> >>in the (above zero!) winter temperatures -- having lived in
>> >>places that get considerably colder.
>> >>
>> >>I'll be curious to see what the folks on the northern
>> >>border/Canada think about this batch of temperatures!
>> >>Wanna bet there's a big run on "cooling devices" (fans,
>> >>if nothing else!)
>> >
>> >Kind of muggy today. High of 27 (about 80°F). A bit hotter tomorrow
>> >and rain, then down to 70°F highs for the rest of the week.
>> >
>> >Not unusual weather for this time of year, more like mid-July weather
>> >perhaps. <shrug>
>> I just had to move my car before the street pavers show up at 8AM. It
>> was chilly in sweats and a parka. It's 54F and 98% humidity. Saw a
>> coyote trotting past the house.
>>
>> No views. Just fog.
>
>Bay area meteorologist gives some insight into Bay area weather and how perplexed they are. He says it's just a matter of time until SF is "bubbled."
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj-DupH6v1Q

Predicting the future of chaotic systems is absurd... economic
systems, social systems, weather, climate.

The pnw is getting wind from the east, so it's hot and dry. Our
dominant wind is from the west, off the ice-cold ocean, but we usually
get a few weeks of hot and dry wind from the east, typically in
October. A ceiling fan is enough to make that bearable.

Of course when an area is covered by thousands of continuously-read
temperature sensors, some in parking lots or on runways, you get
records.

A weather station map of Portland shows 10 degree local variations.
And it's cool today so far.

--

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The best designs are necessarily accidental.

On Tuesday, June 29, 2021 at 12:36:55 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Jun 2021 03:47:01 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 10:35:00 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> >> On Sun, 27 Jun 2021 23:39:33 -0400, Spehro Pefhany
> >> <spef...@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sat, 26 Jun 2021 23:11:32 -0700, Don Y
> >> ><blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>On 6/26/2021 7:37 PM, amdx wrote:
> >> >>> Is it true one will be worse than the other? :-)
> >> >>
> >> >>It will obviously be in the mind of the beholder(s).
> >> >>
> >> >>I know folks used to 110F here (AZ) would cringe at 90F on
> >> >>the coast -- as the humidity is just inescapable.
> >> >>
> >> >>It is similarly amusing to see people wearing *gloves*, here,
> >> >>in the (above zero!) winter temperatures -- having lived in
> >> >>places that get considerably colder.
> >> >>
> >> >>I'll be curious to see what the folks on the northern
> >> >>border/Canada think about this batch of temperatures!
> >> >>Wanna bet there's a big run on "cooling devices" (fans,
> >> >>if nothing else!)
> >> >
> >> >Kind of muggy today. High of 27 (about 80°F). A bit hotter tomorrow
> >> >and rain, then down to 70°F highs for the rest of the week.
> >> >
> >> >Not unusual weather for this time of year, more like mid-July weather
> >> >perhaps. <shrug>
> >> I just had to move my car before the street pavers show up at 8AM. It
> >> was chilly in sweats and a parka. It's 54F and 98% humidity. Saw a
> >> coyote trotting past the house.
> >>
> >> No views. Just fog.
> >
> >Bay area meteorologist gives some insight into Bay area weather and how perplexed they are. He says it's just a matter of time until SF is "bubbled.."
> >
> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj-DupH6v1Q
> Predicting the future of chaotic systems is absurd... economic
> systems, social systems, weather, climate.

It's no longer absurd or chaotic the closer you get to the occurrence of the event, everything is quite deterministic at that point.

>
> The pnw is getting wind from the east, so it's hot and dry. Our
> dominant wind is from the west, off the ice-cold ocean, but we usually
> get a few weeks of hot and dry wind from the east, typically in
> October. A ceiling fan is enough to make that bearable.
>
> Of course when an area is covered by thousands of continuously-read
> temperature sensors, some in parking lots or on runways, you get
> records.
>
> A weather station map of Portland shows 10 degree local variations.
> And it's cool today so far.

All you're saying is some air is the shade, some is in the sun, some is in between.

> --
>
> John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
>
> The best designs are necessarily accidental.

On Tuesday, June 29, 2021 at 9:36:55 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

> Predicting the future of chaotic systems is absurd... economic
> systems, social systems, weather, climate.

Don't forget planetary orbits. But predicting orbits is NOT absurd,
it's done all the time; chaotic in some very long timescales, yes, but
that doesn't support the 'is absurd' conclusion.

The hot spell here in Seattle (my thermometer hit 110, which is unusual)
was predictable, predicted, and... rather an important bit of weather.

I made a mint julep and spent time in the basement with a good book.

> Of course when an area is covered by thousands of continuously-read
> temperature sensors, some in parking lots or on runways, you get
> records.

And when it's only one or two sensors in a hundred-mile radius, you get
records. Significance?

On 6/29/2021 10:50 AM, whit3rd wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 29, 2021 at 9:36:55 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>
>> Predicting the future of chaotic systems is absurd... economic
>> systems, social systems, weather, climate.
>
> Don't forget planetary orbits. But predicting orbits is NOT absurd,
> it's done all the time; chaotic in some very long timescales, yes, but
> that doesn't support the 'is absurd' conclusion.
>
> The hot spell here in Seattle (my thermometer hit 110, which is unusual)
> was predictable, predicted, and... rather an important bit of weather.
>
> I made a mint julep and spent time in the basement with a good book.

Beats me -- I spent the day on the roof... (but I think it was only 106?)

OTOH, I'm probably considerably more comfortable at 106 than you'd typically
be at 80-90 (in the absence of dehumidification)

>> Of course when an area is covered by thousands of continuously-read
>> temperature sensors, some in parking lots or on runways, you get
>> records.
>
> And when it's only one or two sensors in a hundred-mile radius, you get
> records. Significance?

No one gives a squat about what *every* sensor says. Weather underground
will likely disclose hundreds of "personal weather stations" in your immediate
vicinity. But, they aren't consulted for "records" -- the conditions at
our local airport are used, instead. We are reminded of this in nearly
every newscast.

And, microclimates means the conditions across town will likely be
very different -- even if you were using NBS-traceable sensors.

Our winter lows are at least three degrees colder -- repeatably -- than
what is forecast... just because we are at a local low spot and cold
air rolling down from the mountains pools in our neighborhood. It will
rain in the next few days. Chances are, I will be able to *see* where
it is raining, even though we won't see any precip, here.

And, a few miles to the north, the temperature is 20-30 degrees lower
than here (due to change in elevation).

Even the AGW deniers acknowledge the change in "norms". They just
claim "the sun is hotter" as the reason behind it all...

On Tue, 29 Jun 2021 10:42:39 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, June 29, 2021 at 12:36:55 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2021 03:47:01 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
>> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 10:35:00 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 27 Jun 2021 23:39:33 -0400, Spehro Pefhany
>> >> <spef...@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Sat, 26 Jun 2021 23:11:32 -0700, Don Y
>> >> ><blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>On 6/26/2021 7:37 PM, amdx wrote:
>> >> >>> Is it true one will be worse than the other? :-)
>> >> >>
>> >> >>It will obviously be in the mind of the beholder(s).
>> >> >>
>> >> >>I know folks used to 110F here (AZ) would cringe at 90F on
>> >> >>the coast -- as the humidity is just inescapable.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>It is similarly amusing to see people wearing *gloves*, here,
>> >> >>in the (above zero!) winter temperatures -- having lived in
>> >> >>places that get considerably colder.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>I'll be curious to see what the folks on the northern
>> >> >>border/Canada think about this batch of temperatures!
>> >> >>Wanna bet there's a big run on "cooling devices" (fans,
>> >> >>if nothing else!)
>> >> >
>> >> >Kind of muggy today. High of 27 (about 80°F). A bit hotter tomorrow
>> >> >and rain, then down to 70°F highs for the rest of the week.
>> >> >
>> >> >Not unusual weather for this time of year, more like mid-July weather
>> >> >perhaps. <shrug>
>> >> I just had to move my car before the street pavers show up at 8AM. It
>> >> was chilly in sweats and a parka. It's 54F and 98% humidity. Saw a
>> >> coyote trotting past the house.
>> >>
>> >> No views. Just fog.
>> >
>> >Bay area meteorologist gives some insight into Bay area weather and how perplexed they are. He says it's just a matter of time until SF is "bubbled."
>> >
>> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj-DupH6v1Q
>> Predicting the future of chaotic systems is absurd... economic
>> systems, social systems, weather, climate.
>
>It's no longer absurd or chaotic the closer you get to the occurrence of the event, everything is quite deterministic at that point.
>
>>
>> The pnw is getting wind from the east, so it's hot and dry. Our
>> dominant wind is from the west, off the ice-cold ocean, but we usually
>> get a few weeks of hot and dry wind from the east, typically in
>> October. A ceiling fan is enough to make that bearable.
>>
>> Of course when an area is covered by thousands of continuously-read
>> temperature sensors, some in parking lots or on runways, you get
>> records.
>>
>> A weather station map of Portland shows 10 degree local variations.
>> And it's cool today so far.
>
>All you're saying is some air is the shade, some is in the sun, some is in between.

And you can pick the highest one of hundreds to declare a record.

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On Tuesday, June 29, 2021 at 3:15:52 PM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Jun 2021 10:42:39 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, June 29, 2021 at 12:36:55 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

> >> A weather station map of Portland shows 10 degree local variations.
> >> And it's cool today so far.
> >
> >All you're saying is some air is the shade, some is in the sun, some is in between.

> And you can pick the highest one of hundreds to declare a record.

Hundreds? You were talking about 10. I smell a rat.

The 'record' is for the highest peak of some decades of a single station.
For Portland, that's 116 degrees, at Portland International Airport (since April 1938).

Rather than random thinking, and posting, check the data sometime.
<https://projects.oregonlive.com/weather/temps/>

On Tue, 29 Jun 2021 15:40:05 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Tuesday, June 29, 2021 at 3:15:52 PM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2021 10:42:39 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
>> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Tuesday, June 29, 2021 at 12:36:55 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>
>> >> A weather station map of Portland shows 10 degree local variations.
>> >> And it's cool today so far.
>> >
>> >All you're saying is some air is the shade, some is in the sun, some is in between.
>
>> And you can pick the highest one of hundreds to declare a record.
>
>Hundreds? You were talking about 10. I smell a rat.
>
>The 'record' is for the highest peak of some decades of a single station.
>For Portland, that's 116 degrees, at Portland International Airport (since April 1938).
>
>Rather than random thinking, and posting, check the data sometime.
><https://projects.oregonlive.com/weather/temps/>

Google Earth will show you that airport today and in 1985. It was less
dense and more green then.

In 1938, it was probably a few grass strips with cows.

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John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

The best designs are necessarily accidental.