it can slow down by gravity and motion's aether factor

if there is time dilation there is the possibility for
its rate to speed back up... or go back to not dilated...

Mitchell Raemsch

On 8/29/2021 2:44 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> it can slow down by gravity and motion's aether factor
>
> if there is time dilation there is the possibility for
> its rate to speed back up... or go back to not dilated...
>

Are you Dr. Kook, or just its assistant?

On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 10:18:00 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 8/29/2021 2:44 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > it can slow down by gravity and motion's aether factor
> >
> > if there is time dilation there is the possibility for
> > its rate to speed back up... or go back to not dilated...
> >

Time had its initial conditions after the BB...

Mitchell Raemsch

On 8/30/2021 11:08 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 10:18:00 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> On 8/29/2021 2:44 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> it can slow down by gravity and motion's aether factor
>>>
>>> if there is time dilation there is the possibility for
>>> its rate to speed back up... or go back to not dilated...
>>>
>
> Time had its initial conditions after the BB...

Time existed before the BB...

On 8/30/21 2:44 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> Time existed before the BB...

Not in our best cosmological models.

What makes you think this?

Tom Roberts

On Mon, 30 Aug 2021 22:44:52 -0500, Tom Roberts wrote:

> On 8/30/21 2:44 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> Time existed before the BB...
>
> Not in our best cosmological models.
>

Our best models do not work at t=0 so we do not know.

> What makes you think this?

Its speculation.

>
> Tom Roberts

On 8/31/21 12:02 AM, SolomonW wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Aug 2021 22:44:52 -0500, Tom Roberts wrote:
>> What makes you think this?
>
> Its speculation.

Then say so. Don't act like you know something when you don't.

For instance, that will make me stop reading your posts.

Tom Roberts

Tom Roberts wrote:

> On 8/31/21 12:02 AM, SolomonW wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Aug 2021 22:44:52 -0500, Tom Roberts wrote:
>>> What makes you think this?
>>
>> Its speculation.
>
> Then say so. Don't act like you know something when you don't.
> For instance, that will make me stop reading your posts.

The clock, aka Entropy cannot exists, according to the model, however,
people rather imply the existence of Math and Logic underneath the laws
of physics, yet about to be revealed (t>=0). Logic implies dynamics,
hence a form a flow of time must be embedded into it. Yes, rather the
philosophical aspect.

On Monday, August 30, 2021 at 12:44:22 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 8/30/2021 11:08 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 10:18:00 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >> On 8/29/2021 2:44 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> it can slow down by gravity and motion's aether factor
> >>>
> >>> if there is time dilation there is the possibility for
> >>> its rate to speed back up... or go back to not dilated...
> >>>
> >
> > Time had its initial conditions after the BB...
> Time existed before the BB...

No. It was an absolute beginning...
The physical was yet to be.
Big Bang Zero.

On Tuesday, August 31, 2021 at 10:09:06 AM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, August 30, 2021 at 12:44:22 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > On 8/30/2021 11:08 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 10:18:00 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > >> On 8/29/2021 2:44 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >>> it can slow down by gravity and motion's aether factor
> > >>>
> > >>> if there is time dilation there is the possibility for
> > >>> its rate to speed back up... or go back to not dilated...
> > >>>
> > >
> > > Time had its initial conditions after the BB...
> > Time existed before the BB...
> No. It was an absolute beginning...
> The physical was yet to be.
> Big Bang Zero.

The atom's change in size and property
shows it is temporal in its order...
As changing is temporary till the
next... heat drives atom's change...
Look at boiling water... expands
and goes to its next state...

On 8/30/2021 8:44 PM, Tom Roberts wrote:
> On 8/30/21 2:44 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> Time existed before the BB...
>
> Not in our best cosmological models.
>
> What makes you think this?

How did something come from nothing?

Well, I think that time existed before the BB, because I think that our
universe is contained within a black hole that exists in our parent
universe. Our BB was probably the result of a massive star exploding in
our parent universe. It created a child, contained within the resulting
black hole.

Is that way to crazy!?

Sorry.

On 8/31/2021 10:09 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, August 30, 2021 at 12:44:22 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> On 8/30/2021 11:08 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 10:18:00 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>> On 8/29/2021 2:44 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> it can slow down by gravity and motion's aether factor
>>>>>
>>>>> if there is time dilation there is the possibility for
>>>>> its rate to speed back up... or go back to not dilated...
>>>>>
>>>
>>> Time had its initial conditions after the BB...
>> Time existed before the BB...
>
> No. It was an absolute beginning...
> The physical was yet to be.
> Big Bang Zero.
>

Did God create the BB? If so, can God tell time? Or break events apart
and count them?

On Tuesday, August 31, 2021 at 1:31:04 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 8/30/2021 8:44 PM, Tom Roberts wrote:
> > On 8/30/21 2:44 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >> Time existed before the BB...
> >
> > Not in our best cosmological models.
> >
> > What makes you think this?
> How did something come from nothing?
>
> Well, I think that time existed before the BB, because I think that our
> universe is contained within a black hole that exists in our parent

How can time exist at a BH where time does not happen?
You are suggesting that a singularity that by definition
has no time still has time?

Mitchell Raemsch

On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 17:06:08 -0000 (UTC), bubba wrote:

> Tom Roberts wrote:
>
>> On 8/31/21 12:02 AM, SolomonW wrote:
>>> On Mon, 30 Aug 2021 22:44:52 -0500, Tom Roberts wrote:
>>>> What makes you think this?
>>>
>>> Its speculation.
>>
>> Then say so. Don't act like you know something when you don't.
>> For instance, that will make me stop reading your posts.
>
> The clock, aka Entropy cannot exists, according to the model, however,
> people rather imply the existence of Math

We do not imply the maths. We adopt the maths situation to the situation,
e.g. when Einstein found in relativity that the existing maths was not
working, he dropped it and adopted tensor calculus and Riemannian geometry.

> and Logic underneath the laws
> of physics, yet about to be revealed (t>=0). Logic implies dynamics,
> hence a form a flow of time must be embedded into it. Yes, rather the
> philosophical aspect.

If we are talking philosophical and logic, It fits with what we know after
t>0

But the problem here is at t=0. There we have a classical problem in
philosophy that everywhere on the Earth, there is a South but in one spot.

On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 13:31:00 -0700, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

> On 8/30/2021 8:44 PM, Tom Roberts wrote:
>> On 8/30/21 2:44 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>> Time existed before the BB...
>>
>> Not in our best cosmological models.
>>
>> What makes you think this?
>
> How did something come from nothing?
>
> Well, I think that time existed before the BB, because I think that our
> universe is contained within a black hole that exists in our parent
> universe. Our BB was probably the result of a massive star exploding in
> our parent universe. It created a child, contained within the resulting
> black hole.
>
> Is that way to crazy!?
>
> Sorry.

If so, you still have not got rid of the problem. Where did this Black Hole
come from?

On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 11:49:25 -0500, Tom Roberts wrote:

> On 8/31/21 12:02 AM, SolomonW wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Aug 2021 22:44:52 -0500, Tom Roberts wrote:
>>> What makes you think this?
>>
>> Its speculation.
>
> Then say so. Don't act like you know something when you don't.

It is speculation.

>
> For instance, that will make me stop reading your posts.

I apologise if I annoy you, I do reading your posts feel very highly of
your knowledge.

>
> Tom Roberts

On Wednesday, 1 September 2021 at 10:27:39 UTC+2, SolomonW wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 17:06:08 -0000 (UTC), bubba wrote:
>
> > Tom Roberts wrote:
> >
> >> On 8/31/21 12:02 AM, SolomonW wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 30 Aug 2021 22:44:52 -0500, Tom Roberts wrote:
> >>>> What makes you think this?
> >>>
> >>> Its speculation.
> >>
> >> Then say so. Don't act like you know something when you don't.
> >> For instance, that will make me stop reading your posts.
> >
> > The clock, aka Entropy cannot exists, according to the model, however,
> > people rather imply the existence of Math
> We do not imply the maths. We adopt the maths situation to the situation,
> e.g. when Einstein found in relativity that the existing maths was not
> working, he dropped it and adopted tensor calculus and Riemannian geometry.

In other words, when he found that basic math doesn't want to
cooperate with his idiocies - he dropped it and invented another
one, more obedient.

Time had a beginning rate at the Big Bang's initial conditions...
the BB had its first arrangement of initial order....
They were galaxies and their stars...

Mitchell Raemsch

On 9/1/2021 1:29 AM, SolomonW wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 13:31:00 -0700, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>
>> On 8/30/2021 8:44 PM, Tom Roberts wrote:
>>> On 8/30/21 2:44 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>> Time existed before the BB...
>>>
>>> Not in our best cosmological models.
>>>
>>> What makes you think this?
>>
>> How did something come from nothing?
>>
>> Well, I think that time existed before the BB, because I think that our
>> universe is contained within a black hole that exists in our parent
>> universe. Our BB was probably the result of a massive star exploding in
>> our parent universe. It created a child, contained within the resulting
>> black hole.
>>
>> Is that way to crazy!?
>>
>> Sorry.
>
> If so, you still have not got rid of the problem. Where did this Black Hole
> come from?
>

True. Its a chicken and egg problem.

On 8/31/2021 5:23 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 31, 2021 at 1:31:04 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> On 8/30/2021 8:44 PM, Tom Roberts wrote:
>>> On 8/30/21 2:44 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>> Time existed before the BB...
>>>
>>> Not in our best cosmological models.
>>>
>>> What makes you think this?
>> How did something come from nothing?
>>
>> Well, I think that time existed before the BB, because I think that our
>> universe is contained within a black hole that exists in our parent
>
> How can time exist at a BH where time does not happen?
> You are suggesting that a singularity that by definition
> has no time still has time?

If being inside of a BH is akin to being in the eye of a massive
hurricane, things are relatively peaceful, and you can tap your toes and
create a "beat", that creates a sense of "time". The eye wall can be
akin to the event horizon?

Just thinking out loud here, sorry I am moving closer to kookville central!

;^o

On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 3:02:32 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 9/1/2021 1:29 AM, SolomonW wrote:
> > On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 13:31:00 -0700, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >
> >> On 8/30/2021 8:44 PM, Tom Roberts wrote:
> >>> On 8/30/21 2:44 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>>> Time existed before the BB...
> >>>
> >>> Not in our best cosmological models.
> >>>
> >>> What makes you think this?
> >>
> >> How did something come from nothing?
> >>
> >> Well, I think that time existed before the BB, because I think that our
> >> universe is contained within a black hole that exists in our parent
> >> universe. Our BB was probably the result of a massive star exploding in
> >> our parent universe. It created a child, contained within the resulting
> >> black hole.
> >>
> >> Is that way to crazy!?
> >>
> >> Sorry.
> >
> > If so, you still have not got rid of the problem. Where did this Black Hole
> > come from?
> >
> True. Its a chicken and egg problem.

The chicken came first and laid the egg...
Only evolution does not work...
God creates gravity.

On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 3:05:56 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 8/31/2021 5:23 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, August 31, 2021 at 1:31:04 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >> On 8/30/2021 8:44 PM, Tom Roberts wrote:
> >>> On 8/30/21 2:44 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>>> Time existed before the BB...
> >>>
> >>> Not in our best cosmological models.
> >>>
> >>> What makes you think this?
> >> How did something come from nothing?
> >>
> >> Well, I think that time existed before the BB, because I think that our
> >> universe is contained within a black hole that exists in our parent
> >
> > How can time exist at a BH where time does not happen?
> > You are suggesting that a singularity that by definition
> > has no time still has time?
> If being inside of a BH is akin to being in the eye of a massive
> hurricane, things are relatively peaceful, and you can tap your toes and
> create a "beat", that creates a sense of "time". The eye wall can be
> akin to the event horizon?
>
> Just thinking out loud here, sorry I am moving closer to kookville central!
>
> ;^o

You said there would be time before a BH...
but BH are timeless.

Mitchell Raemsch

On 9/1/2021 6:54 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 3:05:56 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> On 8/31/2021 5:23 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, August 31, 2021 at 1:31:04 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>> On 8/30/2021 8:44 PM, Tom Roberts wrote:
>>>>> On 8/30/21 2:44 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>> Time existed before the BB...
>>>>>
>>>>> Not in our best cosmological models.
>>>>>
>>>>> What makes you think this?
>>>> How did something come from nothing?
>>>>
>>>> Well, I think that time existed before the BB, because I think that our
>>>> universe is contained within a black hole that exists in our parent
>>>
>>> How can time exist at a BH where time does not happen?
>>> You are suggesting that a singularity that by definition
>>> has no time still has time?
>> If being inside of a BH is akin to being in the eye of a massive
>> hurricane, things are relatively peaceful, and you can tap your toes and
>> create a "beat", that creates a sense of "time". The eye wall can be
>> akin to the event horizon?
>>
>> Just thinking out loud here, sorry I am moving closer to kookville central!
>>
>> ;^o
>
> You said there would be time before a BH...
> but BH are timeless.

I do think that time existed in whatever existed before the BB. I also
think our BB is a BH being created in our parent universe. We just might
be contained within it.

On 9/1/2021 6:54 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 3:02:32 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> On 9/1/2021 1:29 AM, SolomonW wrote:
>>> On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 13:31:00 -0700, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8/30/2021 8:44 PM, Tom Roberts wrote:
>>>>> On 8/30/21 2:44 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>> Time existed before the BB...
>>>>>
>>>>> Not in our best cosmological models.
>>>>>
>>>>> What makes you think this?
>>>>
>>>> How did something come from nothing?
>>>>
>>>> Well, I think that time existed before the BB, because I think that our
>>>> universe is contained within a black hole that exists in our parent
>>>> universe. Our BB was probably the result of a massive star exploding in
>>>> our parent universe. It created a child, contained within the resulting
>>>> black hole.
>>>>
>>>> Is that way to crazy!?
>>>>
>>>> Sorry.
>>>
>>> If so, you still have not got rid of the problem. Where did this Black Hole
>>> come from?
>>>
>> True. Its a chicken and egg problem.
>
> The chicken came first and laid the egg...
> Only evolution does not work...
> God creates gravity.
>

An egg came first and hatched a chicken. For the chicken to come first,
what created it? See, we can go in circles here... ;^)

On 8/31/2021 1:35 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 8/31/2021 10:09 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Monday, August 30, 2021 at 12:44:22 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson
>> wrote:
>>> On 8/30/2021 11:08 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 10:18:00 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On 8/29/2021 2:44 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> it can slow down by gravity and motion's aether factor
>>>>>>
>>>>>> if there is time dilation there is the possibility for
>>>>>> its rate to speed back up... or go back to not dilated...
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Time had its initial conditions after the BB...
>>> Time existed before the BB...
>>
>> No. It was an absolute beginning...
>> The physical was yet to be.
>> Big Bang Zero.
>>
>
> Did God create the BB? If so, can God tell time? Or break events apart
> and count them?

To get really deep, if the chicken came first, was it the male or
female? A hen or a rooster?