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by: funkma...@hotmail.co - Fri, 28 Oct 2022 12:42 UTC

On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 7:02:50 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Oct 2022 02:39:53 -0700 (PDT), Lou Holtman
> <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 12:17:41 AM UTC+2, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >> On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 13:18:51 -0700 (PDT), Lou Holtman
> >> <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 9:08:06 PM UTC+2, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >> >> On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 11:47:59 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> >> >> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 1:10:02 PM UTC-4, lou.h...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >> >> On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 4:54:55 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> >> >> > On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 6:48:54 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> >> >> >> > > https://www.rfi.fr/en/sports/20221027-routes-unveiled-for-the-men-s-and-women-s-2023-tour-de-france
> >> >> >> > They are increasing the average race speed by including a lot of short flat states.
> >> >> >> Huh..??. Did you looked at the parcours? It is a climber Tour.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Yup...8 out of the 21 are classified as sprint finishes, and a couple of those are rather lumpy. Even the only TT route has a pretty solid cat 3 climb (2.5K @ 9.5%).
> >> >> >https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/oct/27/tour-de-france-announces-2023-routes
> >> >> >"Mountains and more mountains, but fewer chances for the sprinters characterise the men’s and women’s 2023 Tour de France routes"
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I don't think they be breaking any speed records for this edition.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Detailed analysis at https://cyclingtips.com/2022/10/the-2023-tour-de-france-route-has-been-unveiled/
> >> >> I'm probaby going to miss it. I'll be going for a bike ride, instead.
> >> >
> >> >It is a free country. I can do both. Ride in the morning/early afternoon and watch the last 2 hours of the stage. Perfect day.
> >> >
> >> >Lou
> >> I already know the ending. Some guy I never heard of wearing a bright
> >> colored tight suit will win while some loud mouthed announcer will
> >> scream and shout about it.
> >
> >That is settled then. If you not interested just don’t watch or comment on. I’m not interested in riding a tricycle, a tandem or loaded touring. I just shut up when it comes up here. Works great for both ‘sides’. You may try it yourself sometimes.
> >
> >Lou
> 1) You guys are all I have to talk to when my wife busy is in her
> room painting.

IOW - even she can't stand your company.

>
> 2) A couple of guys here often comment about my activities ao I feel
> obligated to return the favor.

It might help if you didn't initiate the "commentary"

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by: Catrike Rider - Fri, 28 Oct 2022 13:38 UTC

On Fri, 28 Oct 2022 05:42:25 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 7:02:50 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> On Fri, 28 Oct 2022 02:39:53 -0700 (PDT), Lou Holtman
>> <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 12:17:41 AM UTC+2, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 13:18:51 -0700 (PDT), Lou Holtman
>> >> <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 9:08:06 PM UTC+2, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> >> >> On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 11:47:59 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>> >> >> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 1:10:02 PM UTC-4, lou.h...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 4:54:55 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >> >> >> > On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 6:48:54 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> >> >> >> > > https://www.rfi.fr/en/sports/20221027-routes-unveiled-for-the-men-s-and-women-s-2023-tour-de-france
>> >> >> >> > They are increasing the average race speed by including a lot of short flat states.
>> >> >> >> Huh..??. Did you looked at the parcours? It is a climber Tour.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Yup...8 out of the 21 are classified as sprint finishes, and a couple of those are rather lumpy. Even the only TT route has a pretty solid cat 3 climb (2.5K @ 9.5%).
>> >> >> >https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/oct/27/tour-de-france-announces-2023-routes
>> >> >> >"Mountains and more mountains, but fewer chances for the sprinters characterise the mens and womens 2023 Tour de France routes"
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >I don't think they be breaking any speed records for this edition.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Detailed analysis at https://cyclingtips.com/2022/10/the-2023-tour-de-france-route-has-been-unveiled/
>> >> >> I'm probaby going to miss it. I'll be going for a bike ride, instead.
>> >> >
>> >> >It is a free country. I can do both. Ride in the morning/early afternoon and watch the last 2 hours of the stage. Perfect day.
>> >> >
>> >> >Lou
>> >> I already know the ending. Some guy I never heard of wearing a bright
>> >> colored tight suit will win while some loud mouthed announcer will
>> >> scream and shout about it.
>> >
>> >That is settled then. If you not interested just dont watch or comment on. Im not interested in riding a tricycle, a tandem or loaded touring. I just shut up when it comes up here. Works great for both sides. You may try it yourself sometimes.
>> >
>> >Lou
>> 1) You guys are all I have to talk to when my wife busy is in her
>> room painting.
>
>IOW - even she can't stand your company.

She can't stand any company when she paints, nor can I, when I ride
since she only rides now on her stationary bike. The poisonous snakes
are too close for her riding on her Catrike. On the other hand, she
adamantly insists that I go ocean kayaking with her, and she also
insists on me taking a gun as we sometimes wander into and around
remote islands. Long ago, before we met, she surprised a Crok while
kayaking with her ex down in the glades.

>> 2) A couple of guys here often comment about my activities ao I feel
>> obligated to return the favor.
>
>It might help if you didn't initiate the "commentary"

Help what?

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by: Tom Kunich - Fri, 28 Oct 2022 14:26 UTC

On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 6:22:54 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 10/27/2022 3:03 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 10:10:02 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> >> On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 4:54:55 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 6:48:54 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>> https://www.rfi.fr/en/sports/20221027-routes-unveiled-for-the-men-s-and-women-s-2023-tour-de-france
> >>> They are increasing the average race speed by including a lot of short flat states.
> >> Huh..??. Did you looked at the parcours? It is a climber Tour.
> > Did you look at the map Lou? It appears to have 10 stages that are 70 miles long or less. I'm not arguing that there isn't a lot of climbing. But that the UCI is turning the Tour into a young man's race
> >
> turning?
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Older men on the order of mid to late 20's used to be team leaders. Now Roglich is pretty much a has been, Podagar is hard pressed to keep up. This isn't "exciting", it is pitiful.

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by: Tom Kunich - Fri, 28 Oct 2022 14:29 UTC

On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 6:32:24 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 10/27/2022 5:06 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 2:55:03 PM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> >> On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 11:51:34 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 1:22:07 PM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> >>>> On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 10:03:42 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>>> On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 10:10:02 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> >>>>>> On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 4:54:55 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 6:48:54 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>>>>>> https://www.rfi.fr/en/sports/20221027-routes-unveiled-for-the-men-s-and-women-s-2023-tour-de-france
> >>>>>>> They are increasing the average race speed by including a lot of short flat states.
> >>>>>> Huh..??. Did you looked at the parcours? It is a climber Tour.
> >>>>> Did you look at the map Lou? It appears to have 10 stages that are 70 miles long or less. I'm not arguing that there isn't a lot of climbing. But that the UCI is turning the Tour into a young man's race
> >>>> So? The last couple of TdF were more exiting than all the TdF in the days of Merkx, Indurain and Hinault. Those were boringâ€¦
> >>>>
> >>>> Lou
> >>> Lou, you may think that they are more exciting but the riders cannot take that sort of punishment. Kids riding full out for 100 miles as if it were a criterium is going to show an increase in average speed which the Tour directors want in order to prove that dope makes no difference in the speeds. But older riders simply cannot take that sort of speed and the younger riders will become burned out in two or three years. What happens to the Tour then?
> >> Nonsense.
> >
> > When 20 year olds are winning major races just watch what happens.
> >
> OK I give up. What happens?
> Life returns to normal? Or what?
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Unfortunately racing as we've known it disappears. One of the things that supports racing is fan appreciation for particular riders. If every year there is a new king of the hill, there's no one to appreciate.

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by: Tom Kunich - Fri, 28 Oct 2022 14:30 UTC

On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 2:43:06 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 12:06:06 AM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 2:55:03 PM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 11:51:34 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 1:22:07 PM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 10:03:42 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 10:10:02 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > > > > > On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 4:54:55 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 6:48:54 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> > > > > > > > > https://www.rfi.fr/en/sports/20221027-routes-unveiled-for-the-men-s-and-women-s-2023-tour-de-france
> > > > > > > > They are increasing the average race speed by including a lot of short flat states.
> > > > > > > Huh..??. Did you looked at the parcours? It is a climber Tour..
> > > > > > Did you look at the map Lou? It appears to have 10 stages that are 70 miles long or less. I'm not arguing that there isn't a lot of climbing. But that the UCI is turning the Tour into a young man's race
> > > > > So? The last couple of TdF were more exiting than all the TdF in the days of Merkx, Indurain and Hinault. Those were boring…
> > > > >
> > > > > Lou
> > > > Lou, you may think that they are more exciting but the riders cannot take that sort of punishment. Kids riding full out for 100 miles as if it were a criterium is going to show an increase in average speed which the Tour directors want in order to prove that dope makes no difference in the speeds. But older riders simply cannot take that sort of speed and the younger riders will become burned out in two or three years. What happens to the Tour then?
> > > Nonsense.
> > When 20 year olds are winning major races just watch what happens.
> How old was LA when he won the world championship in Oslo? I think he was in the early twenties. Is/was he not your hero?
>
> Lou
Yes but not for his world championship performance. It was 7 years of Tour wins. That is not going to be possible now.

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by: AMuzi - Fri, 28 Oct 2022 14:45 UTC

On 10/28/2022 9:29 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 6:32:24 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 10/27/2022 5:06 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 2:55:03 PM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 11:51:34 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 1:22:07 PM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
>>>>>> On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 10:03:42 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 10:10:02 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 4:54:55 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 6:48:54 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfi.fr/en/sports/20221027-routes-unveiled-for-the-men-s-and-women-s-2023-tour-de-france
>>>>>>>>> They are increasing the average race speed by including a lot of short flat states.
>>>>>>>> Huh..??. Did you looked at the parcours? It is a climber Tour.
>>>>>>> Did you look at the map Lou? It appears to have 10 stages that are 70 miles long or less. I'm not arguing that there isn't a lot of climbing. But that the UCI is turning the Tour into a young man's race
>>>>>> So? The last couple of TdF were more exiting than all the TdF in the days of Merkx, Indurain and Hinault. Those were boringÃ¢â‚¬Â¦
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lou
>>>>> Lou, you may think that they are more exciting but the riders cannot take that sort of punishment. Kids riding full out for 100 miles as if it were a criterium is going to show an increase in average speed which the Tour directors want in order to prove that dope makes no difference in the speeds. But older riders simply cannot take that sort of speed and the younger riders will become burned out in two or three years. What happens to the Tour then?
>>>> Nonsense.
>>>
>>> When 20 year olds are winning major races just watch what happens.
>>>
>> OK I give up. What happens?
>> Life returns to normal? Or what?

> Unfortunately racing as we've known it disappears. One of the things that supports racing is fan appreciation for particular riders. If every year there is a new king of the hill, there's no one to appreciate.
>

Really? I appreciate the guy who actually won. YMMV.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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by: Lou Holtman - Fri, 28 Oct 2022 15:33 UTC

On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 4:29:40 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 6:32:24 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> > On 10/27/2022 5:06 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 2:55:03 PM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > >> On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 11:51:34 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > >>> On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 1:22:07 PM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > >>>> On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 10:03:42 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > >>>>> On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 10:10:02 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > >>>>>> On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 4:54:55 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > >>>>>>> On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 6:48:54 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> https://www.rfi.fr/en/sports/20221027-routes-unveiled-for-the-men-s-and-women-s-2023-tour-de-france
> > >>>>>>> They are increasing the average race speed by including a lot of short flat states.
> > >>>>>> Huh..??. Did you looked at the parcours? It is a climber Tour.
> > >>>>> Did you look at the map Lou? It appears to have 10 stages that are 70 miles long or less. I'm not arguing that there isn't a lot of climbing.. But that the UCI is turning the Tour into a young man's race
> > >>>> So? The last couple of TdF were more exiting than all the TdF in the days of Merkx, Indurain and Hinault. Those were boringâ€¦
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Lou
> > >>> Lou, you may think that they are more exciting but the riders cannot take that sort of punishment. Kids riding full out for 100 miles as if it were a criterium is going to show an increase in average speed which the Tour directors want in order to prove that dope makes no difference in the speeds. But older riders simply cannot take that sort of speed and the younger riders will become burned out in two or three years. What happens to the Tour then?
> > >> Nonsense.
> > >
> > > When 20 year olds are winning major races just watch what happens.
> > >
> > OK I give up. What happens?
> > Life returns to normal? Or what?
> > --
> > Andrew Muzi
> > <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> > Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> Unfortunately racing as we've known it disappears. One of the things that supports racing is fan appreciation for particular riders. If every year there is a new king of the hill, there's no one to appreciate.

You want someone that dominates the TdF for 5-6 years on a row? I don’t. LA, Indurain and Froome took the some of the fun out of watching the TdF. Man that was boring to watch.

Lou

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by: Lou Holtman - Fri, 28 Oct 2022 15:34 UTC

On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 4:31:01 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 2:43:06 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 12:06:06 AM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 2:55:03 PM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 11:51:34 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 1:22:07 PM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 10:03:42 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > > > On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 10:10:02 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 4:54:55 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 6:48:54 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > https://www.rfi.fr/en/sports/20221027-routes-unveiled-for-the-men-s-and-women-s-2023-tour-de-france
> > > > > > > > > They are increasing the average race speed by including a lot of short flat states.
> > > > > > > > Huh..??. Did you looked at the parcours? It is a climber Tour.
> > > > > > > Did you look at the map Lou? It appears to have 10 stages that are 70 miles long or less. I'm not arguing that there isn't a lot of climbing. But that the UCI is turning the Tour into a young man's race
> > > > > > So? The last couple of TdF were more exiting than all the TdF in the days of Merkx, Indurain and Hinault. Those were boring…
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Lou
> > > > > Lou, you may think that they are more exciting but the riders cannot take that sort of punishment. Kids riding full out for 100 miles as if it were a criterium is going to show an increase in average speed which the Tour directors want in order to prove that dope makes no difference in the speeds. But older riders simply cannot take that sort of speed and the younger riders will become burned out in two or three years. What happens to the Tour then?
> > > > Nonsense.
> > > When 20 year olds are winning major races just watch what happens.
> > How old was LA when he won the world championship in Oslo? I think he was in the early twenties. Is/was he not your hero?
> >
> > Lou
> Yes but not for his world championship performance. It was 7 years of Tour wins. That is not going to be possible now.

Thank God.

Lou

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Exciting news for next July	AMuzi
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Re: Exciting news for next July	funkma...@hotmail.com
Re: Exciting news for next July	Catrike Rider
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Re: Exciting news for next July	Lou Holtman
Re: Exciting news for next July	Catrike Rider
Re: Exciting news for next July	Lou Holtman
Re: Exciting news for next July	Catrike Rider
Re: Exciting news for next July	funkma...@hotmail.com
Re: Exciting news for next July	Catrike Rider
Re: Exciting news for next July	Andre Jute
Re: Exciting news for next July	Tom Kunich
Re: Exciting news for next July	Lou Holtman
Re: Exciting news for next July	funkma...@hotmail.com
Re: Exciting news for next July	Tom Kunich
Re: Exciting news for next July	Lou Holtman
Re: Exciting news for next July	Tom Kunich
Re: Exciting news for next July	AMuzi
Re: Exciting news for next July	Tom Kunich
Re: Exciting news for next July	AMuzi
Re: Exciting news for next July	Lou Holtman
Re: Exciting news for next July	Lou Holtman
Re: Exciting news for next July	funkma...@hotmail.com
Re: Exciting news for next July	funkma...@hotmail.com
Re: Exciting news for next July	Tom Kunich
Re: Exciting news for next July	Lou Holtman
Re: Exciting news for next July	AMuzi
Re: Exciting news for next July	AMuzi
Re: Exciting news for next July	Tom Kunich