On Fri, 16 Jul 2021 10:12:52 -0700, Don Y
<blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:

>On 7/16/2021 9:51 AM, John Larkin wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Jul 2021 18:55:10 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 11:25:58 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
>>>
>>>> There are many rural counties with zero covid deaths so far. Not much
>>>> masking or panicking there.
>>>
>>> Those counties might be insulated, and insular, but masking is a PRECAUTION
>>> and it works well with 'zero covid deaths so far'. Failure to take precautions
>>> is a bad life strategy.
>>
>> Why take precautions against a zero risk? Build meteor shelters? Buy
>> insurance against shark attacks in Utah?
>
>I guess you don't recall folks building bomb shelters during the cold war?
>Clearly a COSTLY precaution -- and one that "persists" long after your
>decision to build it!

Sure, some people were terrified. We had "duck and cover" drills in
grammar school, which I thought were funny. Some of the kids were
terrified. Now, as adults they probably wear masks when they are alone
and buy hand santizier by the gallon. Can't be too careful!

John Larkin wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Jul 2021 10:12:52 -0700, Don Y
> <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 7/16/2021 9:51 AM, John Larkin wrote:
>>> On Thu, 15 Jul 2021 18:55:10 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 11:25:58 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> There are many rural counties with zero covid deaths so far. Not much
>>>>> masking or panicking there.
>>>>
>>>> Those counties might be insulated, and insular, but masking is a PRECAUTION
>>>> and it works well with 'zero covid deaths so far'. Failure to take precautions
>>>> is a bad life strategy.
>>>
>>> Why take precautions against a zero risk? Build meteor shelters? Buy
>>> insurance against shark attacks in Utah?
>>
>> I guess you don't recall folks building bomb shelters during the cold war?
>> Clearly a COSTLY precaution -- and one that "persists" long after your
>> decision to build it!
>
> Sure, some people were terrified. We had "duck and cover" drills in
> grammar school, which I thought were funny. Some of the kids were
> terrified. Now, as adults they probably wear masks when they are alone
> and buy hand santizier by the gallon. Can't be too careful!
>

Then the Soviets detonated their first H-bomb, and all the civil defense
measures became pointless, so life went back to normal.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

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On 7/16/2021 10:20 AM, John Larkin wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Jul 2021 10:12:52 -0700, Don Y
> <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 7/16/2021 9:51 AM, John Larkin wrote:
>>> On Thu, 15 Jul 2021 18:55:10 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 11:25:58 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> There are many rural counties with zero covid deaths so far. Not much
>>>>> masking or panicking there.
>>>>
>>>> Those counties might be insulated, and insular, but masking is a PRECAUTION
>>>> and it works well with 'zero covid deaths so far'. Failure to take precautions
>>>> is a bad life strategy.
>>>
>>> Why take precautions against a zero risk? Build meteor shelters? Buy
>>> insurance against shark attacks in Utah?
>>
>> I guess you don't recall folks building bomb shelters during the cold war?
>> Clearly a COSTLY precaution -- and one that "persists" long after your
>> decision to build it!
>
> Sure, some people were terrified. We had "duck and cover" drills in
> grammar school, which I thought were funny. Some of the kids were
> terrified. Now, as adults they probably wear masks when they are alone
> and buy hand santizier by the gallon. Can't be too careful!

Sure have a condescending attitude towards others, eh? I wonder
how many of your customers fit your description?

Ever have a heated argument with a guy who was wearing a sidearm?

Ever been challenged to design something and just run away like a little girl?
Hide under a desk -- in terror?

On Fri, 16 Jul 2021 14:04:53 -0700, Don Y
<blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:

>On 7/16/2021 10:20 AM, John Larkin wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 Jul 2021 10:12:52 -0700, Don Y
>> <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/16/2021 9:51 AM, John Larkin wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 15 Jul 2021 18:55:10 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 11:25:58 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> There are many rural counties with zero covid deaths so far. Not much
>>>>>> masking or panicking there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Those counties might be insulated, and insular, but masking is a PRECAUTION
>>>>> and it works well with 'zero covid deaths so far'. Failure to take precautions
>>>>> is a bad life strategy.
>>>>
>>>> Why take precautions against a zero risk? Build meteor shelters? Buy
>>>> insurance against shark attacks in Utah?
>>>
>>> I guess you don't recall folks building bomb shelters during the cold war?
>>> Clearly a COSTLY precaution -- and one that "persists" long after your
>>> decision to build it!
>>
>> Sure, some people were terrified. We had "duck and cover" drills in
>> grammar school, which I thought were funny. Some of the kids were
>> terrified. Now, as adults they probably wear masks when they are alone
>> and buy hand santizier by the gallon. Can't be too careful!
>
>Sure have a condescending attitude towards others, eh?

No, just describing some. I admit I don't admire fear as a dominant
emotion; it's usually miscalibrated.

>I wonder
>how many of your customers fit your description?

Being afraid of everything? Not many. It's rare among good technical
people, engineers and scientists. Managers are more likely to be
afraid of ideas and risks.

>
>Ever have a heated argument with a guy who was wearing a sidearm?

I don't recall a heated argument with anyone.

>
>Ever been challenged to design something and just run away like a little girl?

Little girl? I've known (and raised) some mighty gutsy girls. I like
them that way.

>Hide under a desk -- in terror?

I like design challenges, especially from serious customers with big
problems. Ships. Pipelines. Jet engines. Giant magnets. Big lasers.
Rockets. Lithography. Timid doesn't solve big problems.

(Time to check the Keithley. There are definitely some non-exponential
things going on. DA on the hours time scale?)

On 7/16/2021 3:02 PM, John Larkin wrote:

>> Hide under a desk -- in terror?
>
> I like design challenges, especially from serious customers with big
> problems. Ships. Pipelines. Jet engines. Giant magnets. Big lasers.
> Rockets. Lithography. Timid doesn't solve big problems.

So, people who can't fully participate in life and the activities that
they previously enjoyed is NOT a "big problem", in your book.

Or, you're just not up to the challenge.

I'll let you climb back under that desk, now -- little girl.

On Fri, 16 Jul 2021 15:19:39 -0700, Don Y
<blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:

>On 7/16/2021 3:02 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>
>>> Hide under a desk -- in terror?
>>
>> I like design challenges, especially from serious customers with big
>> problems. Ships. Pipelines. Jet engines. Giant magnets. Big lasers.
>> Rockets. Lithography. Timid doesn't solve big problems.
>
>So, people who can't fully participate in life and the activities that
>they previously enjoyed is NOT a "big problem", in your book.

It's not the sort of thing I do. And my wife doesn't instrument geared
turbofans.

>
>Or, you're just not up to the challenge.
>
>I'll let you climb back under that desk, now -- little girl.

Why do you keep using "girl" as an insult? I've always liked girls.
Over or under desks.

On 7/16/2021 3:27 PM, John Larkin wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Jul 2021 15:19:39 -0700, Don Y
> <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 7/16/2021 3:02 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>>
>>>> Hide under a desk -- in terror?
>>>
>>> I like design challenges, especially from serious customers with big
>>> problems. Ships. Pipelines. Jet engines. Giant magnets. Big lasers.
>>> Rockets. Lithography. Timid doesn't solve big problems.
>>
>> So, people who can't fully participate in life and the activities that
>> they previously enjoyed is NOT a "big problem", in your book.
>
> It's not the sort of thing I do. And my wife doesn't instrument geared
> turbofans.
>
>>
>> Or, you're just not up to the challenge.
>>
>> I'll let you climb back under that desk, now -- little girl.
>
> Why do you keep using "girl" as an insult? I've always liked girls.
> Over or under desks.

Fine. I'll learn to call you John Little Girl Larkin. Wear
it as a badge of honor!

(note that I've not failed to notice how you keep avoiding the
challenge! Well, not everyone has the intellectual curiosity and
confidence to face new challenges. It must be scary...)

On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 9:10:34 AM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
> On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 5:32:07 AM UTC-7, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 5:23:00 AM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
> > > On 16/07/21 05:13, Rick C wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 10:25:20 PM UTC-4,
> > > > jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> > > >> Some states have 1/4 the integrated PPM deaths of the big NE ones, and are
> > > >> not showing big upticks. Some counties have had zero deaths. Sorry to
> > > >> disappoint.
> > > >
> > > > I remember watching pandemic maps and noticing one county in SW Georgia with
> > > > high death rates and surrounding counties with virtually zero death rates or
> > > > even infections. I thought that one county must be doing something very
> > > > wrong. Then I realized the surrounding counties had no hospitals. When you
> > > > got sick in those counties they took you to the central county or another one
> > > > with a hospital. So the counties with hospitals in rural areas get an
> > > > undeserved death rate while others get none.
> > > >
> > > > Quoting statistics is not the same as understanding them.
> > > Just so.
> > >
> > > Drunks and lamposts, and all that!
> > Anyone recall what website that was which would let you view a map with data by state or county and used two different data bases. I haven't looked at it in a while and can't find the link. I think this is going to be important again as the delta variant driven wave kicks into high gear.
> You mean like this for VietNam:
>
> https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/viet-nam/
>
> The communist country should be bragging about the 3000 daily new cases yesterday. 3000 people are forced to be alive with covid.

That is one scary graph! The same thing is happening in many places, but when you've had a high rate of infection of other strains the delta variant does not present like this until it is several times as prevalent as the others. But that is what the delta is doing in most places. Unless we take more effective measures to prevent the spread, we will see a huge infection curve like we did last fall.

Does anyone know if that curve was dominated by a new strain at that time?

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On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 10:16:36 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Jul 2021 10:22:54 +0100, Tom Gardner
> <spam...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >On 16/07/21 05:13, Rick C wrote:
> >> On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 10:25:20 PM UTC-4,
> >> jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> >>> Some states have 1/4 the integrated PPM deaths of the big NE ones, and are
> >>> not showing big upticks. Some counties have had zero deaths. Sorry to
> >>> disappoint.
> >>
> >> I remember watching pandemic maps and noticing one county in SW Georgia with
> >> high death rates and surrounding counties with virtually zero death rates or
> >> even infections. I thought that one county must be doing something very
> >> wrong. Then I realized the surrounding counties had no hospitals. When you
> >> got sick in those counties they took you to the central county or another one
> >> with a hospital. So the counties with hospitals in rural areas get an
> >> undeserved death rate while others get none.
> >>
> >> Quoting statistics is not the same as understanding them.
> >
> >Just so.
> >
> >Drunks and lamposts, and all that!
> Do Utah, Alaska, and Hawaii have no hospitals? All are below 1000 PPM
> dead.
>
> San Francisco is packed with hospitals, major medical centers all
> over. Total deaths per capita is about 640 PPM now.
>
> Deaths vs hospital density looks like a weak metric. Deaths over
> population density seems real, but even that has strange exceptions.
>
> Looks like there is a good correlation between deaths and average
> income, at least in the USA. That even shows up in San Francisco
> neighborhoods. Maybe the key factor is square feet of living and work
> space per person. And cool fresh air. Maybe a correlation between
> death rates and mean wind velocity?
>
> Anyhow, the huge regional variations don't seem to be very well
> explained.

Like I said, it is easy to cite statistics, but not so easy to understand them.

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On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 12:51:22 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Jul 2021 18:55:10 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 11:25:58 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
> >
> >> There are many rural counties with zero covid deaths so far. Not much
> >> masking or panicking there.
> >
> >Those counties might be insulated, and insular, but masking is a PRECAUTION
> >and it works well with 'zero covid deaths so far'. Failure to take precautions
> >is a bad life strategy.
> Why take precautions against a zero risk? Build meteor shelters? Buy
> insurance against shark attacks in Utah?

Mind bogglingly poor thinking going on here. How does zero death reports equate to zero risk? I suppose it is pretty amazing in the previous century (the 20th) there were no COVID deaths. Does that mean no precautions should be taken anywhere in the world? Do you have to wait for people around you to drown before you take precautions against the river flooding when it's been raining for days and days?

> Really, thinking is better than fear in most cases.

Thinking can be good, but only if it is good thinking. So much thinking about COVID is pretty poor and leads people to shun masks and vaccines which clearly saves lives.

> I suppose 0 * e^0 is still exponential growth.

Perfect example of something cited with very little understanding apparent.

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On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 6:28:04 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Jul 2021 15:19:39 -0700, Don Y
> <blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:
>
> >On 7/16/2021 3:02 PM, John Larkin wrote:
> >
> >>> Hide under a desk -- in terror?
> >>
> >> I like design challenges, especially from serious customers with big
> >> problems. Ships. Pipelines. Jet engines. Giant magnets. Big lasers.
> >> Rockets. Lithography. Timid doesn't solve big problems.
> >
> >So, people who can't fully participate in life and the activities that
> >they previously enjoyed is NOT a "big problem", in your book.
> It's not the sort of thing I do. And my wife doesn't instrument geared
> turbofans.
> >
> >Or, you're just not up to the challenge.
> >
> >I'll let you climb back under that desk, now -- little girl.
> Why do you keep using "girl" as an insult? I've always liked girls.
> Over or under desks.

It would seem Larkin is so accustomed to having "little" mentioned around him that he didn't even notice.

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On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 9:51:22 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Jul 2021 18:55:10 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 11:25:58 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
> >
> >> There are many rural counties with zero covid deaths so far. Not much
> >> masking or panicking there.
> >
> >Those counties might be insulated, and insular, but masking is a PRECAUTION
> >and it works well with 'zero covid deaths so far'. Failure to take precautions
> >is a bad life strategy.

> Why take precautions against a zero risk? Build meteor shelters? Buy
> insurance against shark attacks in Utah?

Oh, the insurance bill for shark attack coverage isn't a major issue
ANYWHERE, so why pick on Utah?

You take precautions against FUTURE damage, not past. Mindlessly expecting
tomorrow to replicate today's statistics is an illness, not a sane assessment of risk.

On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 7:31:23 PM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:
> On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 9:51:22 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
> > On Thu, 15 Jul 2021 18:55:10 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 11:25:58 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
> > >
> > >> There are many rural counties with zero covid deaths so far. Not much
> > >> masking or panicking there.
> > >
> > >Those counties might be insulated, and insular, but masking is a PRECAUTION
> > >and it works well with 'zero covid deaths so far'. Failure to take precautions
> > >is a bad life strategy.
>
> > Why take precautions against a zero risk? Build meteor shelters? Buy
> > insurance against shark attacks in Utah?
> Oh, the insurance bill for shark attack coverage isn't a major issue
> ANYWHERE, so why pick on Utah?
>
> You take precautions against FUTURE damage, not past. Mindlessly expecting
> tomorrow to replicate today's statistics is an illness, not a sane assessment of risk.

The popular definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result. Why does anyone respond to Larkin when he is obviously trolling? What is it that compels us to point out in exquisite detail what is wrong with his reasoning as if something might just change in his behavior? Has Larkin ever shown any sign of actually understanding the arguments put before him and considering what is wrong with his own reasoning? EVER?

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