On 11/21/2022 3:50 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 4:05:30 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 11/21/2022 1:05 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 12:54:21 PM UTC-5, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 09:37:22 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>>>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 7:43:42 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 19:26:05 -0500, Catrike Rider
>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> NEW YORK, NY - In an inspiring story from the world of professional
>>>>>>> cycling, a motorcyclist who identifies as a bicyclist has crushed all
>>>>>>> the regular bicyclists, setting an unbelievable world record.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In a local qualifying race for the World Road Cycling League, the
>>>>>>> motorcyclist crushed the previous 100-mile record of 3 hours, 13
>>>>>>> minutes with his amazing new score of well under an hour.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Professional motorcycle racer Judd E. Banner, the brave trans-vehicle
>>>>>>> rider, was allowed to race after he told league organizers he's always
>>>>>>> felt like a bicyclist in a motorcyclist's body.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Look, my ride has handlebars, two wheels, and a seat," he told
>>>>>>> reporters as he accepted a trophy for his incredible time trial. "Just
>>>>>>> because I've got a little extra hardware, such as an 1170-cc flat-twin
>>>>>>> engine with 110 horsepower, doesn't mean I have any kind of inherent
>>>>>>> advantage here."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Banner also said he painted the word "HUFFY" on the side of his bike,
>>>>>>> ensuring he has no advantage over the bikes that came out of the
>>>>>>> factory as bicycles.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some critics say he needs to cut off his motor in order to make the
>>>>>>> competition fairer, but he quickly called these people bigots, and
>>>>>>> they were immediately banned from professional cycle racing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://babylonbee.com/news/motorcycle-that-identifies-as-bicycle-sets-world-cycling-record
>>>>>> And from the same source
>>>>>> https://babylonbee.com/news/multiple-sources-accuse-donald-duck-of-walking-onto-movie-sets-without-any-pants
>>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm guessing at least one of the respondents to this discussion isn't aware of the mission of The Babylon Bee (I'll give you three tries as to who - the first two don't count). Consider their Amicus Brief to SCOTUS in the case of Novack v City of Parma ET Al.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/22/22-293/244213/20221028092221628_Babylon%20Bee%20-%20Amicus%20Brief.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>> "The Bee is quite possibly the most popular source for satire in the history of the world. The Bee has inspired many imitators, including our fellow amicus curiae in this case, a cute little upstart known as The Onion"
>>>>>
>>>>> "The writers at The Bee are a hearty bunch, accustomed to regularly and brilliantly absorbing blows from powerful, prestigious media outlets—and also from CNN—that desperately want to muzzle The Bee. Child’s play. But whining establishment types who are unable to take a joke and who possess the coercive power of the state are an entirely different matter. Add to that mix the aggressive, unbridled strain of qualified immunity propagated by the Sixth Circuit. It’s enough to make Chuck Norris sweat."
>>>> I see that the Bee is back on Twitter. Free Speech fun that ruffles
>>>> the feathers of stuffy folks.
>>>
>>> I see you're still confused over the distinction of the government vs a private company WRT to 1st amendment.
>>>
>> Until a couple of years ago I would have agreed with you and
>> noted, "good point."
>>
>> There's no longer a bright line between unconstitutional
>> government restriction of free speech/ association and
>> private acts. The 'private' entities are sometimes directly
>> implementing administration policy by request:
>>
>> https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/new-documents-prove-dhs-involvement-in-facebook-and-twitter-censorship/ar-AA13Au88
>>
>> (note: left wing news organization source, not some
>> conspiracy blog)
>> --
>
> Sure, there are probably hundreds of cases where the gubmint has asked some private entity to censor otherwise protected speech, but they weren't under any legal obligation to do so.
>

In theory you're right.

But no one wants to be on Lois Lerner's Christmas list. Or
appear 'on the radar' at another few dozen departments
agencies bureaus and commissions.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 11/21/2022 4:09 PM, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 15:08:16 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 11/21/2022 1:58 PM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>> On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 11:05:36 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>>> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 12:54:21 PM UTC-5, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 09:37:22 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>>>>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 7:43:42 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 19:26:05 -0500, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> NEW YORK, NY - In an inspiring story from the world of professional
>>>>>>>> cycling, a motorcyclist who identifies as a bicyclist has crushed all
>>>>>>>> the regular bicyclists, setting an unbelievable world record.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In a local qualifying race for the World Road Cycling League, the
>>>>>>>> motorcyclist crushed the previous 100-mile record of 3 hours, 13
>>>>>>>> minutes with his amazing new score of well under an hour.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Professional motorcycle racer Judd E. Banner, the brave trans-vehicle
>>>>>>>> rider, was allowed to race after he told league organizers he's always
>>>>>>>> felt like a bicyclist in a motorcyclist's body.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Look, my ride has handlebars, two wheels, and a seat," he told
>>>>>>>> reporters as he accepted a trophy for his incredible time trial. "Just
>>>>>>>> because I've got a little extra hardware, such as an 1170-cc flat-twin
>>>>>>>> engine with 110 horsepower, doesn't mean I have any kind of inherent
>>>>>>>> advantage here."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Banner also said he painted the word "HUFFY" on the side of his bike,
>>>>>>>> ensuring he has no advantage over the bikes that came out of the
>>>>>>>> factory as bicycles.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Some critics say he needs to cut off his motor in order to make the
>>>>>>>> competition fairer, but he quickly called these people bigots, and
>>>>>>>> they were immediately banned from professional cycle racing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://babylonbee.com/news/motorcycle-that-identifies-as-bicycle-sets-world-cycling-record
>>>>>>> And from the same source
>>>>>>> https://babylonbee.com/news/multiple-sources-accuse-donald-duck-of-walking-onto-movie-sets-without-any-pants
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm guessing at least one of the respondents to this discussion isn't aware of the mission of The Babylon Bee (I'll give you three tries as to who - the first two don't count). Consider their Amicus Brief to SCOTUS in the case of Novack v City of Parma ET Al.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/22/22-293/244213/20221028092221628_Babylon%20Bee%20-%20Amicus%20Brief.pdf
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "The Bee is quite possibly the most popular source for satire in the history of the world. The Bee has inspired many imitators, including our fellow amicus curiae in this case, a cute little upstart known as The Onion"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "The writers at The Bee are a hearty bunch, accustomed to regularly and brilliantly absorbing blows from powerful, prestigious media outlets—and also from CNN—that desperately want to muzzle The Bee. Child’s play. But whining establishment types who are unable to take a joke and who possess the coercive power of the state are an entirely different matter. Add to that mix the aggressive, unbridled strain of qualified immunity propagated by the Sixth Circuit. It’s enough to make Chuck Norris sweat."
>>>>> I see that the Bee is back on Twitter. Free Speech fun that ruffles
>>>>> the feathers of stuffy folks.
>>>>
>>>> I see you're still confused over the distinction of the government vs a private company WRT to 1st amendment.
>>>
>>>
>>> Free speech is free speech, Jimmy Junior...
>>>
>>
>> Nope, that's not true.
>
> Whenever some entity becomes more free to speak, it's more free
> speech.
>
>> Or, to quote myself, 'Our nation is a republic with
>> individual rights. Inside these walls is a fiefdom and it's
>> my call.'
>
> No, I'm not trying to say that private entities are, or should be
> subject to the 1st Amendment. I simply disaprove of news media
> censoring what they report and I applaud when I see one being loosened
> up. How much twitter will be loosened up is not yet clear, but so
> far, it's looking good.
>

So far, yes.[1]

Principle is important, but in such a highly leveraged
entity revenue is going to trump principle when push comes
to shove.

[1] Personally, I have never signed up for/visited/viewed
Twitter or any other 'social' web site so I write as a
disinterested observer.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 2:12:32 PM UTC-8, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 13:45:49 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 2:58:32 PM UTC-5, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >> On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 11:05:36 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> >> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 12:54:21 PM UTC-5, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >> >> On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 09:37:22 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> >> >> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 7:43:42 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> >> >> >> On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 19:26:05 -0500, Catrike Rider
> >> >> >> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >NEW YORK, NY - In an inspiring story from the world of professional
> >> >> >> >cycling, a motorcyclist who identifies as a bicyclist has crushed all
> >> >> >> >the regular bicyclists, setting an unbelievable world record.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >In a local qualifying race for the World Road Cycling League, the
> >> >> >> >motorcyclist crushed the previous 100-mile record of 3 hours, 13
> >> >> >> >minutes with his amazing new score of well under an hour.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Professional motorcycle racer Judd E. Banner, the brave trans-vehicle
> >> >> >> >rider, was allowed to race after he told league organizers he's always
> >> >> >> >felt like a bicyclist in a motorcyclist's body.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >"Look, my ride has handlebars, two wheels, and a seat," he told
> >> >> >> >reporters as he accepted a trophy for his incredible time trial.. "Just
> >> >> >> >because I've got a little extra hardware, such as an 1170-cc flat-twin
> >> >> >> >engine with 110 horsepower, doesn't mean I have any kind of inherent
> >> >> >> >advantage here."
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Banner also said he painted the word "HUFFY" on the side of his bike,
> >> >> >> >ensuring he has no advantage over the bikes that came out of the
> >> >> >> >factory as bicycles.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Some critics say he needs to cut off his motor in order to make the
> >> >> >> >competition fairer, but he quickly called these people bigots, and
> >> >> >> >they were immediately banned from professional cycle racing.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >https://babylonbee.com/news/motorcycle-that-identifies-as-bicycle-sets-world-cycling-record
> >> >> >> And from the same source
> >> >> >> https://babylonbee.com/news/multiple-sources-accuse-donald-duck-of-walking-onto-movie-sets-without-any-pants
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I'm guessing at least one of the respondents to this discussion isn't aware of the mission of The Babylon Bee (I'll give you three tries as to who - the first two don't count). Consider their Amicus Brief to SCOTUS in the case of Novack v City of Parma ET Al.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/22/22-293/244213/20221028092221628_Babylon%20Bee%20-%20Amicus%20Brief.pdf
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"The Bee is quite possibly the most popular source for satire in the history of the world. The Bee has inspired many imitators, including our fellow amicus curiae in this case, a cute little upstart known as The Onion"
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"The writers at The Bee are a hearty bunch, accustomed to regularly and brilliantly absorbing blows from powerful, prestigious media outlets—and also from CNN—that desperately want to muzzle The Bee. Child’s play. But whining establishment types who are unable to take a joke and who possess the coercive power of the state are an entirely different matter. Add to that mix the aggressive, unbridled strain of qualified immunity propagated by the Sixth Circuit. It’s enough to make Chuck Norris sweat."
> >> >> I see that the Bee is back on Twitter. Free Speech fun that ruffles
> >> >> the feathers of stuffy folks.
> >> >
> >> >I see you're still confused over the distinction of the government vs a private company WRT to 1st amendment.
> >> Free speech is free speech, Jimmy Junior...
> >
> >No kitty, it isn't. Twitter - or any private company - is under no legal obligation to afford speech protection to anyone. Section 230 of CFR 47 explicitly states:
> >" No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be held liable on account of
> > (A) any action voluntarily taken in good faith to restrict access to or availability of material that the provider or user considers to be obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing, or otherwise objectionable, whether or not such material is constitutionally protected"
> >
> >Note the term "or otherwise objectionable". With regards to the relationship of the private US citizen and Twitter/Facebook/ET Al, the free speech protections of the constitution do not apply.

Being threatened by the government to be investigated if you don't toe their line and censor free speech is exactly what this mindless Flunky couldn't care less about until it is his speech being threatened by the government..

S0o what is clear is that after Google is taken over by an international conglomerate that doesn't like the things that the stupid five are saying, they can simply shut down their accounts. I will suggest it to them since Google is about to implode from 80% more workers than are necessary to do the work. But that many workers do give Google management a sense of power over the lives of their workers who for the most part have nothing to do. Google has a workforce bigger than the Pentagon and they are dreaming of a building even bigger.

On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 17:25:25 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 11/21/2022 4:09 PM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 15:08:16 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/21/2022 1:58 PM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 11:05:36 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>>>> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 12:54:21 PM UTC-5, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 09:37:22 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>>>>>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 7:43:42 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 19:26:05 -0500, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> NEW YORK, NY - In an inspiring story from the world of professional
>>>>>>>>> cycling, a motorcyclist who identifies as a bicyclist has crushed all
>>>>>>>>> the regular bicyclists, setting an unbelievable world record.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In a local qualifying race for the World Road Cycling League, the
>>>>>>>>> motorcyclist crushed the previous 100-mile record of 3 hours, 13
>>>>>>>>> minutes with his amazing new score of well under an hour.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Professional motorcycle racer Judd E. Banner, the brave trans-vehicle
>>>>>>>>> rider, was allowed to race after he told league organizers he's always
>>>>>>>>> felt like a bicyclist in a motorcyclist's body.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Look, my ride has handlebars, two wheels, and a seat," he told
>>>>>>>>> reporters as he accepted a trophy for his incredible time trial. "Just
>>>>>>>>> because I've got a little extra hardware, such as an 1170-cc flat-twin
>>>>>>>>> engine with 110 horsepower, doesn't mean I have any kind of inherent
>>>>>>>>> advantage here."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Banner also said he painted the word "HUFFY" on the side of his bike,
>>>>>>>>> ensuring he has no advantage over the bikes that came out of the
>>>>>>>>> factory as bicycles.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Some critics say he needs to cut off his motor in order to make the
>>>>>>>>> competition fairer, but he quickly called these people bigots, and
>>>>>>>>> they were immediately banned from professional cycle racing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://babylonbee.com/news/motorcycle-that-identifies-as-bicycle-sets-world-cycling-record
>>>>>>>> And from the same source
>>>>>>>> https://babylonbee.com/news/multiple-sources-accuse-donald-duck-of-walking-onto-movie-sets-without-any-pants
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm guessing at least one of the respondents to this discussion isn't aware of the mission of The Babylon Bee (I'll give you three tries as to who - the first two don't count). Consider their Amicus Brief to SCOTUS in the case of Novack v City of Parma ET Al.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/22/22-293/244213/20221028092221628_Babylon%20Bee%20-%20Amicus%20Brief.pdf
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "The Bee is quite possibly the most popular source for satire in the history of the world. The Bee has inspired many imitators, including our fellow amicus curiae in this case, a cute little upstart known as The Onion"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "The writers at The Bee are a hearty bunch, accustomed to regularly and brilliantly absorbing blows from powerful, prestigious media outlets—and also from CNN—that desperately want to muzzle The Bee. Child’s play. But whining establishment types who are unable to take a joke and who possess the coercive power of the state are an entirely different matter. Add to that mix the aggressive, unbridled strain of qualified immunity propagated by the Sixth Circuit. It’s enough to make Chuck Norris sweat."
>>>>>> I see that the Bee is back on Twitter. Free Speech fun that ruffles
>>>>>> the feathers of stuffy folks.
>>>>>
>>>>> I see you're still confused over the distinction of the government vs a private company WRT to 1st amendment.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Free speech is free speech, Jimmy Junior...
>>>>
>>>
>>> Nope, that's not true.
>>
>> Whenever some entity becomes more free to speak, it's more free
>> speech.
>>
>>> Or, to quote myself, 'Our nation is a republic with
>>> individual rights. Inside these walls is a fiefdom and it's
>>> my call.'
>>
>> No, I'm not trying to say that private entities are, or should be
>> subject to the 1st Amendment. I simply disaprove of news media
>> censoring what they report and I applaud when I see one being loosened
>> up. How much twitter will be loosened up is not yet clear, but so
>> far, it's looking good.
>>
>
>So far, yes.[1]
>
>Principle is important, but in such a highly leveraged
>entity revenue is going to trump principle when push comes
>to shove.
>
>[1] Personally, I have never signed up for/visited/viewed
>Twitter or any other 'social' web site so I write as a
>disinterested observer.

I just recently signed up for the opportunity of seeing exactly what
people are saying instead of having it filtered through the biased
media. It's doubtful that I would ever post anything there and I'm not
sure I'll stay with it for long.

As for other social sites. I did FB only as a way to have pictures
that did not reference my computer...

On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 3:07:18 PM UTC-8, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 14:55:19 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
> wrote:
> >On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 14:58:27 -0500, Catrike Rider
> ><sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >
> >>Free speech is free speech, Jimmy Junior...
> >
> >Nope. Try yelling "fire" in a crowded venue as see how far you get by
> >claiming it's your right.
> I didn't say anything about rights. Free speech is simply when one
> can speak freely.
> >"United States free speech exceptions"
> ><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions>
> >
> >"Permissible restrictions on expression"
> ><https://www.britannica.com/topic/First-Amendment/Permissible-restrictions-on-expression>
> >
> >"Freedom of Expression"
> ><https://www.aclu.org/other/freedom-expression>

As usual, dumbass Liebermann doesn't have even a passing clue what he is talking about. Hey Stupid, why don't you look that up sometime instead of believing CNN?

On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 3:21:31 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> On 11/21/2022 3:50 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 4:05:30 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
> >> On 11/21/2022 1:05 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 12:54:21 PM UTC-5, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >>>> On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 09:37:22 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> >>>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 7:43:42 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> >>>>>> On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 19:26:05 -0500, Catrike Rider
> >>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> NEW YORK, NY - In an inspiring story from the world of professional
> >>>>>>> cycling, a motorcyclist who identifies as a bicyclist has crushed all
> >>>>>>> the regular bicyclists, setting an unbelievable world record.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> In a local qualifying race for the World Road Cycling League, the
> >>>>>>> motorcyclist crushed the previous 100-mile record of 3 hours, 13
> >>>>>>> minutes with his amazing new score of well under an hour.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Professional motorcycle racer Judd E. Banner, the brave trans-vehicle
> >>>>>>> rider, was allowed to race after he told league organizers he's always
> >>>>>>> felt like a bicyclist in a motorcyclist's body.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "Look, my ride has handlebars, two wheels, and a seat," he told
> >>>>>>> reporters as he accepted a trophy for his incredible time trial. "Just
> >>>>>>> because I've got a little extra hardware, such as an 1170-cc flat-twin
> >>>>>>> engine with 110 horsepower, doesn't mean I have any kind of inherent
> >>>>>>> advantage here."
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Banner also said he painted the word "HUFFY" on the side of his bike,
> >>>>>>> ensuring he has no advantage over the bikes that came out of the
> >>>>>>> factory as bicycles.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Some critics say he needs to cut off his motor in order to make the
> >>>>>>> competition fairer, but he quickly called these people bigots, and
> >>>>>>> they were immediately banned from professional cycle racing.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> https://babylonbee.com/news/motorcycle-that-identifies-as-bicycle-sets-world-cycling-record
> >>>>>> And from the same source
> >>>>>> https://babylonbee.com/news/multiple-sources-accuse-donald-duck-of-walking-onto-movie-sets-without-any-pants
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm guessing at least one of the respondents to this discussion isn't aware of the mission of The Babylon Bee (I'll give you three tries as to who - the first two don't count). Consider their Amicus Brief to SCOTUS in the case of Novack v City of Parma ET Al.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/22/22-293/244213/20221028092221628_Babylon%20Bee%20-%20Amicus%20Brief.pdf
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "The Bee is quite possibly the most popular source for satire in the history of the world. The Bee has inspired many imitators, including our fellow amicus curiae in this case, a cute little upstart known as The Onion"
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "The writers at The Bee are a hearty bunch, accustomed to regularly and brilliantly absorbing blows from powerful, prestigious media outlets and also from CNN that desperately want to muzzle The Bee. Child’s play. But whining establishment types who are unable to take a joke and who possess the coercive power of the state are an entirely different matter. Add to that mix the aggressive, unbridled strain of qualified immunity propagated by the Sixth Circuit. It’s enough to make Chuck Norris sweat."
> >>>> I see that the Bee is back on Twitter. Free Speech fun that ruffles
> >>>> the feathers of stuffy folks.
> >>>
> >>> I see you're still confused over the distinction of the government vs a private company WRT to 1st amendment.
> >>>
> >> Until a couple of years ago I would have agreed with you and
> >> noted, "good point."
> >>
> >> There's no longer a bright line between unconstitutional
> >> government restriction of free speech/ association and
> >> private acts. The 'private' entities are sometimes directly
> >> implementing administration policy by request:
> >>
> >> https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/new-documents-prove-dhs-involvement-in-facebook-and-twitter-censorship/ar-AA13Au88
> >>
> >> (note: left wing news organization source, not some
> >> conspiracy blog)
> >> --
> >
> > Sure, there are probably hundreds of cases where the gubmint has asked some private entity to censor otherwise protected speech, but they weren't under any legal obligation to do so.
> >
> In theory you're right.
>
> But no one wants to be on Lois Lerner's Christmas list. Or
> appear 'on the radar' at another few dozen departments
> agencies bureaus and commissions.

Unless you have very good tax accountants, you have errors on your taxes. I was even shown an error on mine and I didn't pay any taxes or OWE any. I could have been prosecuted for that. No judge in the world would go along with it but they could make my life almost smell like Flunky.

On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 3:25:27 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> On 11/21/2022 4:09 PM, Catrike Rider wrote:
> > On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 15:08:16 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On 11/21/2022 1:58 PM, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 11:05:36 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> >>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 12:54:21 PM UTC-5, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >>>>> On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 09:37:22 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> >>>>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 7:43:42 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 19:26:05 -0500, Catrike Rider
> >>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> NEW YORK, NY - In an inspiring story from the world of professional
> >>>>>>>> cycling, a motorcyclist who identifies as a bicyclist has crushed all
> >>>>>>>> the regular bicyclists, setting an unbelievable world record.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> In a local qualifying race for the World Road Cycling League, the
> >>>>>>>> motorcyclist crushed the previous 100-mile record of 3 hours, 13
> >>>>>>>> minutes with his amazing new score of well under an hour.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Professional motorcycle racer Judd E. Banner, the brave trans-vehicle
> >>>>>>>> rider, was allowed to race after he told league organizers he's always
> >>>>>>>> felt like a bicyclist in a motorcyclist's body.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "Look, my ride has handlebars, two wheels, and a seat," he told
> >>>>>>>> reporters as he accepted a trophy for his incredible time trial. "Just
> >>>>>>>> because I've got a little extra hardware, such as an 1170-cc flat-twin
> >>>>>>>> engine with 110 horsepower, doesn't mean I have any kind of inherent
> >>>>>>>> advantage here."
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Banner also said he painted the word "HUFFY" on the side of his bike,
> >>>>>>>> ensuring he has no advantage over the bikes that came out of the
> >>>>>>>> factory as bicycles.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Some critics say he needs to cut off his motor in order to make the
> >>>>>>>> competition fairer, but he quickly called these people bigots, and
> >>>>>>>> they were immediately banned from professional cycle racing.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> https://babylonbee.com/news/motorcycle-that-identifies-as-bicycle-sets-world-cycling-record
> >>>>>>> And from the same source
> >>>>>>> https://babylonbee.com/news/multiple-sources-accuse-donald-duck-of-walking-onto-movie-sets-without-any-pants
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'm guessing at least one of the respondents to this discussion isn't aware of the mission of The Babylon Bee (I'll give you three tries as to who - the first two don't count). Consider their Amicus Brief to SCOTUS in the case of Novack v City of Parma ET Al.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/22/22-293/244213/20221028092221628_Babylon%20Bee%20-%20Amicus%20Brief.pdf
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "The Bee is quite possibly the most popular source for satire in the history of the world. The Bee has inspired many imitators, including our fellow amicus curiae in this case, a cute little upstart known as The Onion"
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "The writers at The Bee are a hearty bunch, accustomed to regularly and brilliantly absorbing blows from powerful, prestigious media outlets—and also from CNN—that desperately want to muzzle The Bee. Child’s play. But whining establishment types who are unable to take a joke and who possess the coercive power of the state are an entirely different matter. Add to that mix the aggressive, unbridled strain of qualified immunity propagated by the Sixth Circuit. It’s enough to make Chuck Norris sweat."
> >>>>> I see that the Bee is back on Twitter. Free Speech fun that ruffles
> >>>>> the feathers of stuffy folks.
> >>>>
> >>>> I see you're still confused over the distinction of the government vs a private company WRT to 1st amendment.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Free speech is free speech, Jimmy Junior...
> >>>
> >>
> >> Nope, that's not true.
> >
> > Whenever some entity becomes more free to speak, it's more free
> > speech.
> >
> >> Or, to quote myself, 'Our nation is a republic with
> >> individual rights. Inside these walls is a fiefdom and it's
> >> my call.'
> >
> > No, I'm not trying to say that private entities are, or should be
> > subject to the 1st Amendment. I simply disaprove of news media
> > censoring what they report and I applaud when I see one being loosened
> > up. How much twitter will be loosened up is not yet clear, but so
> > far, it's looking good.
> >
> So far, yes.[1]
>
> Principle is important, but in such a highly leveraged
> entity revenue is going to trump principle when push comes
> to shove.
>
> [1] Personally, I have never signed up for/visited/viewed
> Twitter or any other 'social' web site so I write as a
> disinterested observer.

I was suspended for hell knows what. Facebook also suspended my account unless I apologized for something I had no intentions of apologizing for. Then some new management came in to Facebook and pointed out that I was a stockholder and suddenly my account was reopened.

On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 18:07:15 -0500, Catrike Rider
<soloman@drafting.not> wrote:

>On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 14:55:19 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 14:58:27 -0500, Catrike Rider
>><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>
>>>Free speech is free speech, Jimmy Junior...
>>
>>Nope. Try yelling "fire" in a crowded venue as see how far you get by
>>claiming it's your right.
>
>I didn't say anything about rights. Free speech is simply when one
>can speak freely.

Your freedoms end where my rights begin.

Free speech, free assembly, freedom of religion, etc are all parts of
the first ammendement, part of the Bill of Rights. I assume that when
discussing free speech, everyone in the US knows that it originates
from the Bill of Rights.

Free speech is NOT simple. Ask the ACLU, which has spent the last 100
years defending our rights to free speech.

Incidentally, when you use an internet service, the vendor usually has
an appropriate use policy and/or terms of service, both of which
usually restrict your freedom of speech. For example, here is the
Google Groups AUP:
<https://support.google.com/groups/answer/4561696?hl=en>
Looks like a long list of things your shouldn't say on Google Groups.
However, you're using Eternal-September, which is under German law and
is not as restrictive as Google:
<https://www.eternal-september.org/index.php?showpage=terms>

>>"United States free speech exceptions"
>><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions>
>>
>>"Permissible restrictions on expression"
>><https://www.britannica.com/topic/First-Amendment/Permissible-restrictions-on-expression>
>>
>>"Freedom of Expression"
>><https://www.aclu.org/other/freedom-expression>
--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 16:00:36 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 18:07:15 -0500, Catrike Rider
><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 14:55:19 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 14:58:27 -0500, Catrike Rider
>>><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Free speech is free speech, Jimmy Junior...
>>>
>>>Nope. Try yelling "fire" in a crowded venue as see how far you get by
>>>claiming it's your right.
>>
>>I didn't say anything about rights. Free speech is simply when one
>>can speak freely.
>
>Your freedoms end where my rights begin.

Sometimes... Sometimes conflicts of rights require the judicial
system.

>Free speech, free assembly, freedom of religion, etc are all parts of
>the first ammendement, part of the Bill of Rights. I assume that when
>discussing free speech, everyone in the US knows that it originates
>from the Bill of Rights.

The government restrictions of speech is..

OTOH, I spoke to our cat today. I didn't need any permission to do it
and I doubt anyone else heard it and there was nothing they could do
about it if they had. IOW, I was free to do it. Simple free speech.

>Free speech is NOT simple.

Yes it is.. It's simply when you are free to speak.

>Ask the ACLU, which has spent the last 100
>years defending our rights to free speech.

I wouldn't trust the ACLU for anything, today.

>Incidentally, when you use an internet service, the vendor usually has
>an appropriate use policy and/or terms of service, both of which
>usually restrict your freedom of speech. For example, here is the
>Google Groups AUP:
><https://support.google.com/groups/answer/4561696?hl=en>
>Looks like a long list of things your shouldn't say on Google Groups.

I don't use Google for anything but Google Maps and Google Earth.

>However, you're using Eternal-September, which is under German law and
>is not as restrictive as Google:
><https://www.eternal-september.org/index.php?showpage=terms>
>
>>>"United States free speech exceptions"
>>><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions>
>>>
>>>"Permissible restrictions on expression"
>>><https://www.britannica.com/topic/First-Amendment/Permissible-restrictions-on-expression>
>>>
>>>"Freedom of Expression"
>>><https://www.aclu.org/other/freedom-expression>

On 11/21/2022 4:50 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 4:05:30 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 11/21/2022 1:05 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 12:54:21 PM UTC-5, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 09:37:22 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>>>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 7:43:42 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 19:26:05 -0500, Catrike Rider
>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> NEW YORK, NY - In an inspiring story from the world of professional
>>>>>>> cycling, a motorcyclist who identifies as a bicyclist has crushed all
>>>>>>> the regular bicyclists, setting an unbelievable world record.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In a local qualifying race for the World Road Cycling League, the
>>>>>>> motorcyclist crushed the previous 100-mile record of 3 hours, 13
>>>>>>> minutes with his amazing new score of well under an hour.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Professional motorcycle racer Judd E. Banner, the brave trans-vehicle
>>>>>>> rider, was allowed to race after he told league organizers he's always
>>>>>>> felt like a bicyclist in a motorcyclist's body.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Look, my ride has handlebars, two wheels, and a seat," he told
>>>>>>> reporters as he accepted a trophy for his incredible time trial. "Just
>>>>>>> because I've got a little extra hardware, such as an 1170-cc flat-twin
>>>>>>> engine with 110 horsepower, doesn't mean I have any kind of inherent
>>>>>>> advantage here."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Banner also said he painted the word "HUFFY" on the side of his bike,
>>>>>>> ensuring he has no advantage over the bikes that came out of the
>>>>>>> factory as bicycles.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some critics say he needs to cut off his motor in order to make the
>>>>>>> competition fairer, but he quickly called these people bigots, and
>>>>>>> they were immediately banned from professional cycle racing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://babylonbee.com/news/motorcycle-that-identifies-as-bicycle-sets-world-cycling-record
>>>>>> And from the same source
>>>>>> https://babylonbee.com/news/multiple-sources-accuse-donald-duck-of-walking-onto-movie-sets-without-any-pants
>>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm guessing at least one of the respondents to this discussion isn't aware of the mission of The Babylon Bee (I'll give you three tries as to who - the first two don't count). Consider their Amicus Brief to SCOTUS in the case of Novack v City of Parma ET Al.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/22/22-293/244213/20221028092221628_Babylon%20Bee%20-%20Amicus%20Brief.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>> "The Bee is quite possibly the most popular source for satire in the history of the world. The Bee has inspired many imitators, including our fellow amicus curiae in this case, a cute little upstart known as The Onion"
>>>>>
>>>>> "The writers at The Bee are a hearty bunch, accustomed to regularly and brilliantly absorbing blows from powerful, prestigious media outlets—and also from CNN—that desperately want to muzzle The Bee. Child’s play. But whining establishment types who are unable to take a joke and who possess the coercive power of the state are an entirely different matter. Add to that mix the aggressive, unbridled strain of qualified immunity propagated by the Sixth Circuit. It’s enough to make Chuck Norris sweat."
>>>> I see that the Bee is back on Twitter. Free Speech fun that ruffles
>>>> the feathers of stuffy folks.
>>>
>>> I see you're still confused over the distinction of the government vs a private company WRT to 1st amendment.
>>>
>> Until a couple of years ago I would have agreed with you and
>> noted, "good point."
>>
>> There's no longer a bright line between unconstitutional
>> government restriction of free speech/ association and
>> private acts. The 'private' entities are sometimes directly
>> implementing administration policy by request:
>>
>> https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/new-documents-prove-dhs-involvement-in-facebook-and-twitter-censorship/ar-AA13Au88
>>
>> (note: left wing news organization source, not some
>> conspiracy blog)
>> --
>
> Sure, there are probably hundreds of cases where the gubmint has asked some private entity to censor otherwise protected speech, but they weren't under any legal obligation to do so.

I'd be surprised if the Washington Post and New York Times didn't get
some earnest messages from the Nixon administration back in Watergate
times.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 18:38:08 -0500, Catrike Rider
<soloman@drafting.not> wrote:

>On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 17:25:25 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>>On 11/21/2022 4:09 PM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>> On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 15:08:16 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 11/21/2022 1:58 PM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 11:05:36 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>>>>> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 12:54:21 PM UTC-5, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 09:37:22 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>>>>>>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 7:43:42 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 19:26:05 -0500, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> NEW YORK, NY - In an inspiring story from the world of professional
>>>>>>>>>> cycling, a motorcyclist who identifies as a bicyclist has crushed all
>>>>>>>>>> the regular bicyclists, setting an unbelievable world record.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In a local qualifying race for the World Road Cycling League, the
>>>>>>>>>> motorcyclist crushed the previous 100-mile record of 3 hours, 13
>>>>>>>>>> minutes with his amazing new score of well under an hour.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Professional motorcycle racer Judd E. Banner, the brave trans-vehicle
>>>>>>>>>> rider, was allowed to race after he told league organizers he's always
>>>>>>>>>> felt like a bicyclist in a motorcyclist's body.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Look, my ride has handlebars, two wheels, and a seat," he told
>>>>>>>>>> reporters as he accepted a trophy for his incredible time trial. "Just
>>>>>>>>>> because I've got a little extra hardware, such as an 1170-cc flat-twin
>>>>>>>>>> engine with 110 horsepower, doesn't mean I have any kind of inherent
>>>>>>>>>> advantage here."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Banner also said he painted the word "HUFFY" on the side of his bike,
>>>>>>>>>> ensuring he has no advantage over the bikes that came out of the
>>>>>>>>>> factory as bicycles.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Some critics say he needs to cut off his motor in order to make the
>>>>>>>>>> competition fairer, but he quickly called these people bigots, and
>>>>>>>>>> they were immediately banned from professional cycle racing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://babylonbee.com/news/motorcycle-that-identifies-as-bicycle-sets-world-cycling-record
>>>>>>>>> And from the same source
>>>>>>>>> https://babylonbee.com/news/multiple-sources-accuse-donald-duck-of-walking-onto-movie-sets-without-any-pants
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm guessing at least one of the respondents to this discussion isn't aware of the mission of The Babylon Bee (I'll give you three tries as to who - the first two don't count). Consider their Amicus Brief to SCOTUS in the case of Novack v City of Parma ET Al.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/22/22-293/244213/20221028092221628_Babylon%20Bee%20-%20Amicus%20Brief.pdf
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "The Bee is quite possibly the most popular source for satire in the history of the world. The Bee has inspired many imitators, including our fellow amicus curiae in this case, a cute little upstart known as The Onion"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "The writers at The Bee are a hearty bunch, accustomed to regularly and brilliantly absorbing blows from powerful, prestigious media outlets—and also from CNN—that desperately want to muzzle The Bee. Child’s play. But whining establishment types who are unable to take a joke and who possess the coercive power of the state are an entirely different matter. Add to that mix the aggressive, unbridled strain of qualified immunity propagated by the Sixth Circuit. It’s enough to make Chuck Norris sweat."
>>>>>>> I see that the Bee is back on Twitter. Free Speech fun that ruffles
>>>>>>> the feathers of stuffy folks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I see you're still confused over the distinction of the government vs a private company WRT to 1st amendment.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Free speech is free speech, Jimmy Junior...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nope, that's not true.
>>>
>>> Whenever some entity becomes more free to speak, it's more free
>>> speech.
>>>
>>>> Or, to quote myself, 'Our nation is a republic with
>>>> individual rights. Inside these walls is a fiefdom and it's
>>>> my call.'
>>>
>>> No, I'm not trying to say that private entities are, or should be
>>> subject to the 1st Amendment. I simply disaprove of news media
>>> censoring what they report and I applaud when I see one being loosened
>>> up. How much twitter will be loosened up is not yet clear, but so
>>> far, it's looking good.
>>>
>>
>>So far, yes.[1]
>>
>>Principle is important, but in such a highly leveraged
>>entity revenue is going to trump principle when push comes
>>to shove.
>>
>>[1] Personally, I have never signed up for/visited/viewed
>>Twitter or any other 'social' web site so I write as a
>>disinterested observer.
>
>I just recently signed up for the opportunity of seeing exactly what
>people are saying instead of having it filtered through the biased
>media. It's doubtful that I would ever post anything there and I'm not
>sure I'll stay with it for long.
>
>As for other social sites. I did FB only as a way to have pictures
>that did not reference my computer...

Since I posted the comment above, I have discovered the entertainment
value of reading what the leftist freaks have to say on Twitter.

On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 4:36:05 PM UTC-8, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 16:00:36 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 18:07:15 -0500, Catrike Rider
> ><sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >
> >>On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 14:55:19 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 14:58:27 -0500, Catrike Rider
> >>><sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Free speech is free speech, Jimmy Junior...
> >>>
> >>>Nope. Try yelling "fire" in a crowded venue as see how far you get by
> >>>claiming it's your right.
> >>
> >>I didn't say anything about rights. Free speech is simply when one
> >>can speak freely.
> >
> >Your freedoms end where my rights begin.
> Sometimes... Sometimes conflicts of rights require the judicial
> system.
> >Free speech, free assembly, freedom of religion, etc are all parts of
> >the first ammendement, part of the Bill of Rights. I assume that when
> >discussing free speech, everyone in the US knows that it originates
> >from the Bill of Rights.
> The government restrictions of speech is..
>
> OTOH, I spoke to our cat today. I didn't need any permission to do it
> and I doubt anyone else heard it and there was nothing they could do
> about it if they had. IOW, I was free to do it. Simple free speech.
> >Free speech is NOT simple.
> Yes it is.. It's simply when you are free to speak.
> >Ask the ACLU, which has spent the last 100
> >years defending our rights to free speech.
> I wouldn't trust the ACLU for anything, today.
> >Incidentally, when you use an internet service, the vendor usually has
> >an appropriate use policy and/or terms of service, both of which
> >usually restrict your freedom of speech. For example, here is the
> >Google Groups AUP:
> ><https://support.google.com/groups/answer/4561696?hl=en>
> >Looks like a long list of things your shouldn't say on Google Groups.
> I don't use Google for anything but Google Maps and Google Earth.
> >However, you're using Eternal-September, which is under German law and
> >is not as restrictive as Google:
> ><https://www.eternal-september.org/index.php?showpage=terms>
> >
> >>>"United States free speech exceptions"
> >>><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions>
> >>>
> >>>"Permissible restrictions on expression"
> >>><https://www.britannica.com/topic/First-Amendment/Permissible-restrictions-on-expression>
> >>>
> >>>"Freedom of Expression"
> >>><https://www.aclu.org/other/freedom-expression>

It certainly is great to see Liebermann telling us what we can and cannot do on Google Groups. And yet I say anything I like because they cannot police it. Saying something and doing it is two different things but the sick old Liebermann who is rapidly approaching death wouldn't know that. He wants to be able to look like he actually knows something when he doesn't. It was all said and done when no one would hire him and he was stuck with working on other people's printers to make a living.

On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 10:16:36 AM UTC-5, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 18:38:08 -0500, Catrike Rider
> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 17:25:25 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >
> >>On 11/21/2022 4:09 PM, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 15:08:16 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 11/21/2022 1:58 PM, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >>>>> On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 11:05:36 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> >>>>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 12:54:21 PM UTC-5, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 09:37:22 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> >>>>>>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 7:43:42 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 19:26:05 -0500, Catrike Rider
> >>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> NEW YORK, NY - In an inspiring story from the world of professional
> >>>>>>>>>> cycling, a motorcyclist who identifies as a bicyclist has crushed all
> >>>>>>>>>> the regular bicyclists, setting an unbelievable world record.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> In a local qualifying race for the World Road Cycling League, the
> >>>>>>>>>> motorcyclist crushed the previous 100-mile record of 3 hours, 13
> >>>>>>>>>> minutes with his amazing new score of well under an hour.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Professional motorcycle racer Judd E. Banner, the brave trans-vehicle
> >>>>>>>>>> rider, was allowed to race after he told league organizers he's always
> >>>>>>>>>> felt like a bicyclist in a motorcyclist's body.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> "Look, my ride has handlebars, two wheels, and a seat," he told
> >>>>>>>>>> reporters as he accepted a trophy for his incredible time trial. "Just
> >>>>>>>>>> because I've got a little extra hardware, such as an 1170-cc flat-twin
> >>>>>>>>>> engine with 110 horsepower, doesn't mean I have any kind of inherent
> >>>>>>>>>> advantage here."
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Banner also said he painted the word "HUFFY" on the side of his bike,
> >>>>>>>>>> ensuring he has no advantage over the bikes that came out of the
> >>>>>>>>>> factory as bicycles.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Some critics say he needs to cut off his motor in order to make the
> >>>>>>>>>> competition fairer, but he quickly called these people bigots, and
> >>>>>>>>>> they were immediately banned from professional cycle racing.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> https://babylonbee.com/news/motorcycle-that-identifies-as-bicycle-sets-world-cycling-record
> >>>>>>>>> And from the same source
> >>>>>>>>> https://babylonbee.com/news/multiple-sources-accuse-donald-duck-of-walking-onto-movie-sets-without-any-pants
> >>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I'm guessing at least one of the respondents to this discussion isn't aware of the mission of The Babylon Bee (I'll give you three tries as to who - the first two don't count). Consider their Amicus Brief to SCOTUS in the case of Novack v City of Parma ET Al.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/22/22-293/244213/20221028092221628_Babylon%20Bee%20-%20Amicus%20Brief.pdf
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "The Bee is quite possibly the most popular source for satire in the history of the world. The Bee has inspired many imitators, including our fellow amicus curiae in this case, a cute little upstart known as The Onion"
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "The writers at The Bee are a hearty bunch, accustomed to regularly and brilliantly absorbing blows from powerful, prestigious media outlets—and also from CNN—that desperately want to muzzle The Bee.. Child’s play. But whining establishment types who are unable to take a joke and who possess the coercive power of the state are an entirely different matter. Add to that mix the aggressive, unbridled strain of qualified immunity propagated by the Sixth Circuit. It’s enough to make Chuck Norris sweat."
> >>>>>>> I see that the Bee is back on Twitter. Free Speech fun that ruffles
> >>>>>>> the feathers of stuffy folks.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I see you're still confused over the distinction of the government vs a private company WRT to 1st amendment.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Free speech is free speech, Jimmy Junior...
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Nope, that's not true.
> >>>
> >>> Whenever some entity becomes more free to speak, it's more free
> >>> speech.
> >>>
> >>>> Or, to quote myself, 'Our nation is a republic with
> >>>> individual rights. Inside these walls is a fiefdom and it's
> >>>> my call.'
> >>>
> >>> No, I'm not trying to say that private entities are, or should be
> >>> subject to the 1st Amendment. I simply disaprove of news media
> >>> censoring what they report and I applaud when I see one being loosened
> >>> up. How much twitter will be loosened up is not yet clear, but so
> >>> far, it's looking good.
> >>>
> >>
> >>So far, yes.[1]
> >>
> >>Principle is important, but in such a highly leveraged
> >>entity revenue is going to trump principle when push comes
> >>to shove.
> >>
> >>[1] Personally, I have never signed up for/visited/viewed
> >>Twitter or any other 'social' web site so I write as a
> >>disinterested observer.
> >
> >I just recently signed up for the opportunity of seeing exactly what
> >people are saying instead of having it filtered through the biased
> >media. It's doubtful that I would ever post anything there and I'm not
> >sure I'll stay with it for long.
> >
> >As for other social sites. I did FB only as a way to have pictures
> >that did not reference my computer...
> Since I posted the comment above, I have discovered the entertainment
> value of reading what the leftist freaks have to say on Twitter.

That's nothing compared to the Q/maga conspiracy theories. Jewish space lasers anyone?