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 by: Ed Lee - Mon, 16 Aug 2021 02:56 UTC

On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 7:38:01 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 8:21:15 AM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
> > On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 3:16:00 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 2:00:34 AM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 6:42:03 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 9:28:20 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > > > > > On Saturday, August 14, 2021 at 11:21:29 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
> > > > > > > On 8/14/2021 5:33 PM, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:
> > > > > > > > Am 14.08.21 um 23:08 schrieb Ralph Mowery:
> > > > > > > >> In article <ed8eb111-6898-4163...@googlegroups.com>,
> > > > > > > >> bloggs.fred...@gmail.com says...
> > > > > <snip>
> > > > > > > Yes, very fine "Christian nation" we have here, ladies and gentlemen. If and when Islam conquers the world nobody should be fuckin' surprised.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Islam is actually a Judeo-Christian religion, it was not created in a vacuum, Muhammad was very well educated in Judeo-Christianity. It's just the modern fanatics who want to recreate 7th century lifestyles.
> > > > >
> > > > > Would the Fundamentalist Right in America be willing to tolerate anything as advanced as a 7th century lifestyle? Wu Zetian did remarkably well as empress of China inCCP that period.
> > > > >
> > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wu_Zetian
> > > >
> > > > 7th century China did not aim to eliminate all freedom and religion including Islam. I wonder why Iran is cooperating with Communism (a religion) to eliminate their own religion. Afghan is just another Iran wanna be.
> > > Communism isn't a religion. It's pretty irrational, and the power structure is as inflexible as those you see in successful religions, but there's no supernatural element.
> >
> > CCP claims that it is a religion.
> Cite?
> > The ultimate goal is to eliminate any other religion, so the working units dedicate everything for the party.
> They are anti-religious - Marx described religion as "the opium of the people" which isn't entirely fair, although it is often used that way by politicians - but that doesn't make them a religion, even if religions frequently take the attitude that other religions are wrong, or a at best a primitive version of theirs.
>
> I think that you are pulling your usual trick of not understanding the information you have found.

As usual, you insult before you research.

https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials/archives/2021/07/07/2003760412

"Xi put a different twist on this as he told China that he is the ruler and the only religion allowed is the CCP. Having defined orthodoxy, the party names the true believers, saints, sinners, heretics and agnostics. The CCP can proclaim that anyone who died as collateral damage is a martyr of the “motherland.”

He learnt from Islam.

https://theasiadialogue.com/2019/10/17/chinas-religion-problem-why-the-chinese-communist-party-views-religious-belief-as-a-threat/

While the “CCP as religion” is an apt metaphor with multiple applications, it also explains why the party must control all other religions. The CCP needs to appoint Catholic bishops, and pick and groom the Panchen Lama, and even the Dalai Lama when he dies. "
"Beginning in the earliest grades, Chinese students are subjected to anti-religious propaganda. They learn that religion is a ‘feudal superstition’ (封建迷信); a remnant of the past that holds the country back and is responsible for many of its problems."

"The CCP’s efforts to subvert religion and force believers to adopt versions of their faiths that narrowly equate them with Chinese patriotism have clearly failed to achieve their objective. "
but doesn't stop them from trying.

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 by: Anthony William Slom - Mon, 16 Aug 2021 07:08 UTC

On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 12:56:15 PM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
> On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 7:38:01 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 8:21:15 AM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
> > > On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 3:16:00 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 2:00:34 AM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 6:42:03 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 9:28:20 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > > > > > > On Saturday, August 14, 2021 at 11:21:29 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
> > > > > > > > On 8/14/2021 5:33 PM, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Am 14.08.21 um 23:08 schrieb Ralph Mowery:
> > > > > > > > >> In article <ed8eb111-6898-4163...@googlegroups.com>,
> > > > > > > > >> bloggs.fred...@gmail.com says...
> > > > > > <snip>
> > > > > > > > Yes, very fine "Christian nation" we have here, ladies and gentlemen. If and when Islam conquers the world nobody should be fuckin' surprised.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Islam is actually a Judeo-Christian religion, it was not created in a vacuum, Muhammad was very well educated in Judeo-Christianity. It's just the modern fanatics who want to recreate 7th century lifestyles.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Would the Fundamentalist Right in America be willing to tolerate anything as advanced as a 7th century lifestyle? Wu Zetian did remarkably well as empress of China inCCP that period.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wu_Zetian
> > > > >
> > > > > 7th century China did not aim to eliminate all freedom and religion including Islam. I wonder why Iran is cooperating with Communism (a religion) to eliminate their own religion. Afghan is just another Iran wanna be..
> > > >
> > > > Communism isn't a religion. It's pretty irrational, and the power structure is as inflexible as those you see in successful religions, but there's no supernatural element.
> > >
> > > CCP claims that it is a religion.
> >
> > Cite?
> >
> > > The ultimate goal is to eliminate any other religion, so the working units dedicate everything for the party.

That doesn't make it a religion.

> > They are anti-religious - Marx described religion as "the opium of the people" which isn't entirely fair, although it is often used that way by politicians - but that doesn't make them a religion, even if religions frequently take the attitude that other religions are wrong, or a at best a primitive version of theirs.
> >
> > I think that you are pulling your usual trick of not understanding the information you have found.
>
> As usual, you insult before you research.

The insult was entirely justified by the research I'd already done.

> https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials/archives/2021/07/07/2003760412
>
> "Xi put a different twist on this as he told China that he is the ruler and the only religion allowed is the CCP. Having defined orthodoxy, the party names the true believers, saints, sinners, heretics and agnostics. The CCP can proclaim that anyone who died as collateral damage is a martyr of the “motherland.”

That isn't any kind of CCP quote. It's Taiwnese anti-CCP propaganda

> He learnt from Islam.
>
> https://theasiadialogue.com/2019/10/17/chinas-religion-problem-why-the-chinese-communist-party-views-religious-belief-as-a-threat/
>
> While the “CCP as religion” is an apt metaphor with multiple applications, it also explains why the party must control all other religions. The CCP needs to appoint Catholic bishops, and pick and groom the Panchen Lama, and even the Dalai Lama when he dies. "
> "Beginning in the earliest grades, Chinese students are subjected to anti-religious propaganda. They learn that religion is a ‘feudal superstition’ (封建迷信); a remnant of the past that holds the country back and is responsible for many of its problems."
>
> "The CCP’s efforts to subvert religion and force believers to adopt versions of their faiths that narrowly equate them with Chinese patriotism have clearly failed to achieve their objective. " but doesn't stop them from trying.

Again, Dr John Powers is a Research Professor at the Alfred Deakin Institute at Deakin University, Australia. His recent book The Buddha Party: How the People’s Republic of China Works to Define and Control Tibetan Buddhism (2016) is published by Oxford University Press.

He may be an authority on the Chinese Communist Party, but he doesn't speak for them either. In fact he's just saying what I was saying - that the CCP is anti-religion.

It wants to exert the kind of control on what it's subjects think that some religions seem to want. George Orwell's "1964" made the same claim, but that doesn't make Communism a religion - merely an ideology, which isn't the same thing.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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 by: Ed Lee - Mon, 16 Aug 2021 13:42 UTC

On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 12:08:48 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 12:56:15 PM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
> > On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 7:38:01 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 8:21:15 AM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 3:16:00 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 2:00:34 AM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 6:42:03 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 9:28:20 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Saturday, August 14, 2021 at 11:21:29 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On 8/14/2021 5:33 PM, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Am 14.08.21 um 23:08 schrieb Ralph Mowery:
> > > > > > > > > >> In article <ed8eb111-6898-4163...@googlegroups.com>,
> > > > > > > > > >> bloggs.fred...@gmail.com says...
> > > > > > > <snip>
> > > > > > > > > Yes, very fine "Christian nation" we have here, ladies and gentlemen. If and when Islam conquers the world nobody should be fuckin' surprised.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Islam is actually a Judeo-Christian religion, it was not created in a vacuum, Muhammad was very well educated in Judeo-Christianity. It's just the modern fanatics who want to recreate 7th century lifestyles.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Would the Fundamentalist Right in America be willing to tolerate anything as advanced as a 7th century lifestyle? Wu Zetian did remarkably well as empress of China inCCP that period.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wu_Zetian
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 7th century China did not aim to eliminate all freedom and religion including Islam. I wonder why Iran is cooperating with Communism (a religion) to eliminate their own religion. Afghan is just another Iran wanna be.
> > > > >
> > > > > Communism isn't a religion. It's pretty irrational, and the power structure is as inflexible as those you see in successful religions, but there's no supernatural element.
> > > >
> > > > CCP claims that it is a religion.
> > >
> > > Cite?
> > >
> > > > The ultimate goal is to eliminate any other religion, so the working units dedicate everything for the party.
> That doesn't make it a religion.
> > > They are anti-religious - Marx described religion as "the opium of the people" which isn't entirely fair, although it is often used that way by politicians - but that doesn't make them a religion, even if religions frequently take the attitude that other religions are wrong, or a at best a primitive version of theirs.
> > >
> > > I think that you are pulling your usual trick of not understanding the information you have found.
> >
> > As usual, you insult before you research.
> The insult was entirely justified by the research I'd already done.
> > https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials/archives/2021/07/07/2003760412
> >
> > "Xi put a different twist on this as he told China that he is the ruler and the only religion allowed is the CCP. Having defined orthodoxy, the party names the true believers, saints, sinners, heretics and agnostics. The CCP can proclaim that anyone who died as collateral damage is a martyr of the “motherland.”
> That isn't any kind of CCP quote. It's Taiwnese anti-CCP propaganda

Xi said it in the 100th years CCP anniversary. If that's not CCP quote, then nothing is. Your respond is typical Communist propaganda. It might not be the policy of your Australian Communist Party, it is the Chinese Communist Party.

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 by: Anthony William Slom - Mon, 16 Aug 2021 14:13 UTC

On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 11:42:53 PM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
> On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 12:08:48 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 12:56:15 PM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
> > > On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 7:38:01 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 8:21:15 AM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 3:16:00 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 2:00:34 AM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 6:42:03 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee..org wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 9:28:20 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Saturday, August 14, 2021 at 11:21:29 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On 8/14/2021 5:33 PM, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Am 14.08.21 um 23:08 schrieb Ralph Mowery:
> > > > > > > > > > >> In article <ed8eb111-6898-4163...@googlegroups.com>,
> > > > > > > > > > >> bloggs.fred...@gmail.com says...
> > > > > > > > <snip>
> > > > > > > > > > Yes, very fine "Christian nation" we have here, ladies and gentlemen. If and when Islam conquers the world nobody should be fuckin' surprised.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Islam is actually a Judeo-Christian religion, it was not created in a vacuum, Muhammad was very well educated in Judeo-Christianity. It's just the modern fanatics who want to recreate 7th century lifestyles.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Would the Fundamentalist Right in America be willing to tolerate anything as advanced as a 7th century lifestyle? Wu Zetian did remarkably well as empress of China inCCP that period.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wu_Zetian
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 7th century China did not aim to eliminate all freedom and religion including Islam. I wonder why Iran is cooperating with Communism (a religion) to eliminate their own religion. Afghan is just another Iran wanna be.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Communism isn't a religion. It's pretty irrational, and the power structure is as inflexible as those you see in successful religions, but there's no supernatural element.
> > > > >
> > > > > CCP claims that it is a religion.
> > > >
> > > > Cite?
> > > >
> > > > > The ultimate goal is to eliminate any other religion, so the working units dedicate everything for the party.
> > That doesn't make it a religion.
> > > > They are anti-religious - Marx described religion as "the opium of the people" which isn't entirely fair, although it is often used that way by politicians - but that doesn't make them a religion, even if religions frequently take the attitude that other religions are wrong, or a at best a primitive version of theirs.
> > > >
> > > > I think that you are pulling your usual trick of not understanding the information you have found.
> > >
> > > As usual, you insult before you research.
>
> > The insult was entirely justified by the research I'd already done.
> > > https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials/archives/2021/07/07/2003760412
> > >
> > > "Xi put a different twist on this as he told China that he is the ruler and the only religion allowed is the CCP. Having defined orthodoxy, the party names the true believers, saints, sinners, heretics and agnostics. The CCP can proclaim that anyone who died as collateral damage is a martyr of the “motherland.”
> > That isn't any kind of CCP quote. It's Taiwnese anti-CCP propaganda.
>
> Xi said it in the 100th years CCP anniversary.

Xi said something that got translated into English and glossed as an assertion that the CCP is the only "religion" allowed in China. The Chinese Communist Party isn't a religion, and certainly isn't organised as a church. I suspect that you've done your usual trick of misunderstanding what was being said in a way that suits your case.

> If that's not CCP quote, then nothing is. Your respond is typical Communist propaganda.

It might look at way to you but you do have an enthusiasm for misuderstanding what is being in a way that suits you.

> It might not be the policy of your Australian Communist Party.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Australia

was disbanded in 1991. I was never a member - and would never have contemplated joining it when it did exist. I read "Animal Farm" when I was very young, and got a progressively better idea of what George Orwell was saying as I got older. I disagree with you assertions because you are a half-wit, not from any sympathy with the people whose opinions you traduce.

> it is the Chinese Communist Party.

You idea of what the Chinese Communist Party is about misunderstands their interests quite as thorougly as you misunderstand everything else. It's not an organisation to be encouraged, but making fatuous claims about what you think they are trying to do isn't damaging them nearly as much as more realistic criticisms would - not that you are up to that.

--
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On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 7:13:36 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 11:42:53 PM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
> > On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 12:08:48 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 12:56:15 PM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 7:38:01 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 8:21:15 AM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 3:16:00 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > > > > On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 2:00:34 AM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 6:42:03 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 9:28:20 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, August 14, 2021 at 11:21:29 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On 8/14/2021 5:33 PM, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Am 14.08.21 um 23:08 schrieb Ralph Mowery:
> > > > > > > > > > > >> In article <ed8eb111-6898-4163...@googlegroups.com>,
> > > > > > > > > > > >> bloggs.fred...@gmail.com says...
> > > > > > > > > <snip>
> > > > > > > > > > > Yes, very fine "Christian nation" we have here, ladies and gentlemen. If and when Islam conquers the world nobody should be fuckin' surprised.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Islam is actually a Judeo-Christian religion, it was not created in a vacuum, Muhammad was very well educated in Judeo-Christianity. It's just the modern fanatics who want to recreate 7th century lifestyles.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Would the Fundamentalist Right in America be willing to tolerate anything as advanced as a 7th century lifestyle? Wu Zetian did remarkably well as empress of China inCCP that period.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wu_Zetian
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 7th century China did not aim to eliminate all freedom and religion including Islam. I wonder why Iran is cooperating with Communism (a religion) to eliminate their own religion. Afghan is just another Iran wanna be.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Communism isn't a religion. It's pretty irrational, and the power structure is as inflexible as those you see in successful religions, but there's no supernatural element.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > CCP claims that it is a religion.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cite?
> > > > >
> > > > > > The ultimate goal is to eliminate any other religion, so the working units dedicate everything for the party.
> > > That doesn't make it a religion.
> > > > > They are anti-religious - Marx described religion as "the opium of the people" which isn't entirely fair, although it is often used that way by politicians - but that doesn't make them a religion, even if religions frequently take the attitude that other religions are wrong, or a at best a primitive version of theirs.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think that you are pulling your usual trick of not understanding the information you have found.
> > > >
> > > > As usual, you insult before you research.
> >
> > > The insult was entirely justified by the research I'd already done.
> > > > https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials/archives/2021/07/07/2003760412
> > > >
> > > > "Xi put a different twist on this as he told China that he is the ruler and the only religion allowed is the CCP. Having defined orthodoxy, the party names the true believers, saints, sinners, heretics and agnostics. The CCP can proclaim that anyone who died as collateral damage is a martyr of the “motherland.”
> > > That isn't any kind of CCP quote. It's Taiwnese anti-CCP propaganda.
> >
> > Xi said it in the 100th years CCP anniversary.
> Xi said something that got translated into English and glossed as an assertion that the CCP is the only "religion" allowed in China. The Chinese Communist Party isn't a religion, and certainly isn't organised as a church. I suspect that you've done your usual trick of misunderstanding what was being said in a way that suits your case.
> > If that's not CCP quote, then nothing is. Your respond is typical Communist propaganda.
> It might look at way to you but you do have an enthusiasm for misuderstanding what is being in a way that suits you.
>
> > It might not be the policy of your Australian Communist Party.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Australia
>
> was disbanded in 1991. I was never a member - and would never have contemplated joining it when it did exist. I read "Animal Farm" when I was very young, and got a progressively better idea of what George Orwell was saying as I got older. I disagree with you assertions because you are a half-wit, not from any sympathy with the people whose opinions you traduce.

Disbanded or not, there are still underground Communist members, in Australia, as well as US, you guys are probably local citizens as well. You certainly sound like their official spokesman.

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 by: Anthony William Slom - Mon, 16 Aug 2021 23:10 UTC

On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 12:31:16 AM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
> On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 7:13:36 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 11:42:53 PM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
> > > On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 12:08:48 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 12:56:15 PM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 7:38:01 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 8:21:15 AM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 3:16:00 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee..org wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 2:00:34 AM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 6:42:03 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 9:28:20 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, August 14, 2021 at 11:21:29 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/14/2021 5:33 PM, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Am 14.08.21 um 23:08 schrieb Ralph Mowery:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> In article <ed8eb111-6898-4163...@googlegroups.com>, bloggs.fred...@gmail.com says...

<snip>
> >
> > > It might not be the policy of your Australian Communist Party.
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Australia
> >
> > was disbanded in 1991. I was never a member - and would never have contemplated joining it when it did exist. I read "Animal Farm" when I was very young, and got a progressively better idea of what George Orwell was saying as I got older. I disagree with you assertions because you are a half-wit, not from any sympathy with the people whose opinions you traduce.
>
> Disbanded or not, there are still underground Communist members, in Australia, as well as US. You guys are probably local citizens as well. You certainly sound like their official spokesman.

There might be underground Communist Party members in Australia. Some people are clinically insane without being florid enough about it to attract attention.

The Australian security services are rather more worried about Chinese nationals who seek political influence in Australia by cultivating members of the regular political parties.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Dastyari

Your idea of what an official spokesman for an underground part might sound like are as silly as the rest of your bizarre ideas. You are obviously a nut case, and your own political affiliations might bear looking into. You do sound like a right-wing version of one of Lenin's useful idiots.

Yesterday's paper had a couple of pages on Australia's underground right-wing nutters.Brenton Harrison Tarrant, who shot 51 people in a Christchurch mosque in 2019 seems to have been involved with them at one stage.

--
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On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 4:10:17 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 12:31:16 AM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
> > On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 7:13:36 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 11:42:53 PM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
> > > > On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 12:08:48 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 12:56:15 PM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 7:38:01 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > > > > On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 8:21:15 AM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 3:16:00 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 2:00:34 AM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 6:42:03 AM UTC-7, bill.....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 9:28:20 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, August 14, 2021 at 11:21:29 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/14/2021 5:33 PM, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am 14.08.21 um 23:08 schrieb Ralph Mowery:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> In article <ed8eb111-6898-4163...@googlegroups..com>, bloggs.fred...@gmail.com says...
>
> <snip>
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> > >
> > > > It might not be the policy of your Australian Communist Party.
> > >
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Australia
> > >
> > > was disbanded in 1991. I was never a member - and would never have contemplated joining it when it did exist. I read "Animal Farm" when I was very young, and got a progressively better idea of what George Orwell was saying as I got older. I disagree with you assertions because you are a half-wit, not from any sympathy with the people whose opinions you traduce.
> >
> > Disbanded or not, there are still underground Communist members, in Australia, as well as US. You guys are probably local citizens as well. You certainly sound like their official spokesman.
>
> There might be underground Communist Party members in Australia. Some people are clinically insane without being florid enough about it to attract attention.
>
> The Australian security services are rather more worried about Chinese nationals who seek political influence in Australia by cultivating members of the regular political parties.

You are an excellent example of Chinese Communist political influence in Usenet.

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On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 2:14:51 PM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
> On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 4:10:17 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 12:31:16 AM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
> > > On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 7:13:36 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 11:42:53 PM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 12:08:48 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 12:56:15 PM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 7:38:01 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee..org wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 8:21:15 AM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 3:16:00 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 2:00:34 AM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 6:42:03 AM UTC-7, bill.....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 9:28:20 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, August 14, 2021 at 11:21:29 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/14/2021 5:33 PM, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am 14.08.21 um 23:08 schrieb Ralph Mowery:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> In article <ed8eb111-6898-4163...@googlegroups.com>, bloggs.fred...@gmail.com says...
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > > >
> > > > > It might not be the policy of your Australian Communist Party.
> > > >
> > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Australia
> > > >
> > > > was disbanded in 1991. I was never a member - and would never have contemplated joining it when it did exist. I read "Animal Farm" when I was very young, and got a progressively better idea of what George Orwell was saying as I got older. I disagree with you assertions because you are a half-wit, not from any sympathy with the people whose opinions you traduce.
> > >
> > > Disbanded or not, there are still underground Communist members, in Australia, as well as US. You guys are probably local citizens as well. You certainly sound like their official spokesman.
> >
> > There might be underground Communist Party members in Australia. Some people are clinically insane without being florid enough about it to attract attention.
> >
> > The Australian security services are rather more worried about Chinese nationals who seek political influence in Australia by cultivating members of the regular political parties.
>
> You are an excellent example of Chinese Communist political influence in Usenet.

That has to be one of the sillier claims ever posted here. Ed Lee clearly isn't very bright, but even he should have enough sense to realise that this has be absolute nonsense. It would make more sense for me to claim that he was a Chinese communist party troll, satirising the anti-communist position by fatuous over-statement - not a lot of sense, but this is all about degrees of absurdity.

He did snip my link to the Sam Dastyari case, which was all about the Chinese Communist Party actually trying to get more political influence in Australia. They wouldn't be silly enough to waste their time on me.

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> He did snip my link to the Sam Dastyari case, which was all about the Chinese Communist Party actually trying to get more political influence in Australia. They wouldn't be silly enough to waste their time on me.

Your actions speak for itself. I can't find anyone else so supportive of Communism, in many of your previous post.

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> It would make more sense for me to claim that he was a Chinese communist party troll, satirising the anti-communist position by fatuous over-statement - not a lot of sense, but this is all about degrees of absurdity.

Fine. If you think i am communist, then ban all communists. Communism is evil, suck ad anti-human. If you think posting anti-communist statement is helping communism, you have reading and writing comprehension problem. Of course, we all know that you brain is wired backward.

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On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 11:48:01 PM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
> > It would make more sense for me to claim that he was a Chinese communist party troll, satirising the anti-communist position by fatuous over-statement - not a lot of sense, but this is all about degrees of absurdity.
>
> Fine. If you think i am communist, then ban all communists.

Why bother? If you are silly enough to get suckered by that particular authoritarian brand of socialism, banning it will just mean that you will find other way of making much the same mistake.

> Communism is evil, sucks and is anti-human.

The "leading role of the communist party" makes it one more authoritarian aberration. It's not actually evil, but putting the party in the leading role means when you get some nut-case in charge they find themselves free to do all kinds of evil things which they wouldn't be able to get away with in a less authoritarian system.

> If you think posting anti-communist statement is helping communism, you have reading and writing comprehension problem. Of course, we all know that you brain is wired backward.

The comprehension problem is all yours. You seem to think that making all kinds of preposterous claims about the intrinsic evils of Communism is a a useful and constructive political activity, when it looks exactly like the kind mindless propaganda that George Orwell satirised in "1984".

If you restricted yourself to being rude about the real defects of the Communists, rather than unspecific bleating about them being evil and anti-human, you might even have some political effect, not that you have the wit to do it effectively. You don't come across as having any more grasp of reality than Cursitor Doom or John Larkin, and you certainly seem to be just as gullible.

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 by: Anthony William Slom - Tue, 17 Aug 2021 14:40 UTC

On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 11:37:55 PM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
> > He did snip my link to the Sam Dastyari case, which was all about the Chinese Communist Party actually trying to get more political influence in Australia. They wouldn't be silly enough to waste their time on me.
>
> Your actions speak for itself. I can't find anyone else so supportive of Communism, in many of your previous post.

Pointing out that you are posting preposterous nonsense isn't supporting communism. It's all about supporting rational discourse, which is something you can't manage. If you feel hurt by the exposure of your intellectual defects, explaining away the criticism by claiming that I'm some kind of communist agent isn't actually the kind of response that makes you look any less of an idiot.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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> The comprehension problem is all yours. You seem to think that making all kinds of preposterous claims about the intrinsic evils of Communism is a a useful and constructive political activity, when it looks exactly like the kind mindless propaganda that George Orwell satirised in "1984".
>
> If you restricted yourself to being rude about the real defects of the Communists, rather than unspecific bleating about them being evil and anti-human, you might even have some political effect, not that you have the wit to do it effectively. You don't come across as having any more grasp of reality than Cursitor Doom or John Larkin, and you certainly seem to be just as gullible.

You are the one saying that "anti-Communism statement is good for Communism". You should be happy that i am calling you an idiot with learning disabilities, it's really good for you. Why do you keep bringing up other people in arguments?

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 by: Bill Martin - Tue, 17 Aug 2021 17:12 UTC

On 8/15/21 3:15 PM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 2:00:34 AM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
>> On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 6:42:03 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
>>> On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 9:28:20 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, August 14, 2021 at 11:21:29 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
>>>>> On 8/14/2021 5:33 PM, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:
>>>>>> Am 14.08.21 um 23:08 schrieb Ralph Mowery:
>>>>>>> In article <ed8eb111-6898-4163...@googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>>> bloggs.fred...@gmail.com says...
>>> <snip>
>>>>> Yes, very fine "Christian nation" we have here, ladies and gentlemen. If and when Islam conquers the world nobody should be fuckin' surprised.
>>>>
>>>> Islam is actually a Judeo-Christian religion, it was not created in a vacuum, Muhammad was very well educated in Judeo-Christianity. It's just the modern fanatics who want to recreate 7th century lifestyles.
>>>
>>> Would the Fundamentalist Right in America be willing to tolerate anything as advanced as a 7th century lifestyle? Wu Zetian did remarkably well as empress of China in that period.
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wu_Zetian
>>
>> 7th century China did not aim to eliminate all freedom and religion including Islam. I wonder why Iran is cooperating with Communism (a religion) to eliminate their own religion. Afghan is just another Iran wanna be.
>
> Communism isn't a religion. It's pretty irrational, and the power structure is as inflexible as those you see in successful religions, but there's no supernatural element.
>
> Islam was just getting under way in the 7th century, quite a long way from China, so China wouldn't have seen the need to eliminate it.
>
> Iran seems to be performing at a rather higher higher level than Afghanistan. There's been no suggestion - so far - that the Taliban are trying to develop their own nuclear weapons.
>
No need. Once they take over Pakistan, they will have nukes...

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 by: Cursitor Doom - Tue, 17 Aug 2021 17:51 UTC

On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 08:54:50 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
<edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

>> The comprehension problem is all yours. You seem to think that making all kinds of preposterous claims about the intrinsic evils of Communism is a a useful and constructive political activity, when it looks exactly like the kind mindless propaganda that George Orwell satirised in "1984".
>>
>> If you restricted yourself to being rude about the real defects of the Communists, rather than unspecific bleating about them being evil and anti-human, you might even have some political effect, not that you have the wit to do it effectively. You don't come across as having any more grasp of reality than Cursitor Doom or John Larkin, and you certainly seem to be just as gullible.
>
>You are the one saying that "anti-Communism statement is good for Communism". You should be happy that i am calling you an idiot with learning disabilities, it's really good for you. Why do you keep bringing up other people in arguments?

Ed, by now you know you are attempting to debate with SED's premier
troll. Bill used to be a valued contributor here 20 years or so ago,
but for some reason chose to take the path of evil. Having had the
regrettable experience of reading his posts over the years, I would
say he is something of a mixture between a Stalinist and a Trotskyist
- as brought up to date and given a veil of pseudo respectability by
dressing his views up as 'progressive' and moderate. But there's
nothing moderate about him or his views as you now know. He favors
execution of anyone who disagrees with him on certain subjects (by
hanging to be precise - as I well remember as I was one of his targets
for the death penalty). Imagine that: wanting someone executed simply
for expressing an opposing view! Nothing moderate about that. Nothing
whatsoever.
--

"There are, besides, eternal truths, such as Freedom, Justice, etc., that are
common to all states of society. But Communism abolishes eternal truths, it
abolishes all religion,and all morality, instead of constituting them on a new
basis; it therefore acts in contradictionto all historical experience."

- The Communist Manifesto, Marx & Engels.

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On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 10:12:46 -0700, Bill Martin <wwm@wwmartin.net>
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>On 8/15/21 3:15 PM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
>> On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 2:00:34 AM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
>>> On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 6:42:03 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 9:28:20 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, August 14, 2021 at 11:21:29 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/14/2021 5:33 PM, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:
>>>>>>> Am 14.08.21 um 23:08 schrieb Ralph Mowery:
>>>>>>>> In article <ed8eb111-6898-4163...@googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>>>> bloggs.fred...@gmail.com says...
>>>> <snip>
>>>>>> Yes, very fine "Christian nation" we have here, ladies and gentlemen. If and when Islam conquers the world nobody should be fuckin' surprised.
>>>>>
>>>>> Islam is actually a Judeo-Christian religion, it was not created in a vacuum, Muhammad was very well educated in Judeo-Christianity. It's just the modern fanatics who want to recreate 7th century lifestyles.
>>>>
>>>> Would the Fundamentalist Right in America be willing to tolerate anything as advanced as a 7th century lifestyle? Wu Zetian did remarkably well as empress of China in that period.
>>>>
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wu_Zetian
>>>
>>> 7th century China did not aim to eliminate all freedom and religion including Islam. I wonder why Iran is cooperating with Communism (a religion) to eliminate their own religion. Afghan is just another Iran wanna be.
>>
>> Communism isn't a religion. It's pretty irrational, and the power structure is as inflexible as those you see in successful religions, but there's no supernatural element.
>>
>> Islam was just getting under way in the 7th century, quite a long way from China, so China wouldn't have seen the need to eliminate it.
>>
>> Iran seems to be performing at a rather higher higher level than Afghanistan. There's been no suggestion - so far - that the Taliban are trying to develop their own nuclear weapons.
>>
>No need. Once they take over Pakistan, they will have nukes...

There's a frightening thought! One would hope the Pakistanis would
have the good grace to 'scuttle' their nuclear weapons when they see
the Taliban coming over the hill, but would they?
--

Britain: do the right thing and hand Australia back to China.

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On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 1:54:54 AM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
> > The comprehension problem is all yours. You seem to think that making all kinds of preposterous claims about the intrinsic evils of Communism is a a useful and constructive political activity, when it looks exactly like the kind mindless propaganda that George Orwell satirised in "1984".
> >
> > If you restricted yourself to being rude about the real defects of the Communists, rather than unspecific bleating about them being evil and anti-human, you might even have some political effect, not that you have the wit to do it effectively. You don't come across as having any more grasp of reality than Cursitor Doom or John Larkin, and you certainly seem to be just as gullible.
>
> You are the one saying that "anti-Communism statement is good for Communism".

What I'm saying is that stupid, misdirected anti-Communism doesn't do Communism any harm, and tends to devalue efforts to expose and correct the real defects of Communism. This a rather more complicated idea than you can make sense of, so you go with the idiotic over-simplification that works for you.

> You should be happy that i am calling you an idiot with learning disabilities, it's really good for you.

It certainly make you look stupid, but pretty much everything you post does that anyway.

> Why do you keep bringing up other people in arguments?

Because they provide examples of other people making the same mistakes.

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 by: Anthony William Slom - Wed, 18 Aug 2021 02:23 UTC

On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 8:21:17 AM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 10:12:46 -0700, Bill Martin <w...@wwmartin.net>
> wrote:
> >On 8/15/21 3:15 PM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> >> On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 2:00:34 AM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
> >>> On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 6:42:03 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> >>>> On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 9:28:20 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> >>>>> On Saturday, August 14, 2021 at 11:21:29 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
> >>>>>> On 8/14/2021 5:33 PM, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:
> >>>>>>> Am 14.08.21 um 23:08 schrieb Ralph Mowery:
> >>>>>>>> In article <ed8eb111-6898-4163...@googlegroups.com>,
> >>>>>>>> bloggs.fred...@gmail.com says...
> >>>> <snip>
> >>>>>> Yes, very fine "Christian nation" we have here, ladies and gentlemen. If and when Islam conquers the world nobody should be fuckin' surprised.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Islam is actually a Judeo-Christian religion, it was not created in a vacuum, Muhammad was very well educated in Judeo-Christianity. It's just the modern fanatics who want to recreate 7th century lifestyles.
> >>>>
> >>>> Would the Fundamentalist Right in America be willing to tolerate anything as advanced as a 7th century lifestyle? Wu Zetian did remarkably well as empress of China in that period.
> >>>>
> >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wu_Zetian
> >>>
> >>> 7th century China did not aim to eliminate all freedom and religion including Islam. I wonder why Iran is cooperating with Communism (a religion) to eliminate their own religion. Afghan is just another Iran wanna be.
> >>
> >> Communism isn't a religion. It's pretty irrational, and the power structure is as inflexible as those you see in successful religions, but there's no supernatural element.
> >>
> >> Islam was just getting under way in the 7th century, quite a long way from China, so China wouldn't have seen the need to eliminate it.
> >>
> >> Iran seems to be performing at a rather higher higher level than Afghanistan. There's been no suggestion - so far - that the Taliban are trying to develop their own nuclear weapons.
> >>
> >No need. Once they take over Pakistan, they will have nukes...

If they can get them to work. Nuclear weapons are complicated, and they need a fairly sophisticated technical support network to keep them working.

> There's a frightening thought! One would hope the Pakistanis would have the good grace to 'scuttle' their nuclear weapons when they see the Taliban coming over the hill, but would they?

They could use them on the Taliban, but they probably wouldn't need to. Afghanistan is great country for guerilla warfare - Pakistan less so.

Cursitor Doom is easily frightened by his favorite boogeymen, and much too ignorant to worry about the real dangers his complacent ignorance ignores.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

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On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 19:23:20 -0700 (PDT), Anthony William Sloman
<bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

>On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 8:21:17 AM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 10:12:46 -0700, Bill Martin <w...@wwmartin.net>
>> wrote:
>> >On 8/15/21 3:15 PM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
>> >> On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 2:00:34 AM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
>> >>> On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 6:42:03 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
>> >>>> On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 9:28:20 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
>> >>>>> On Saturday, August 14, 2021 at 11:21:29 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
>> >>>>>> On 8/14/2021 5:33 PM, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:
>> >>>>>>> Am 14.08.21 um 23:08 schrieb Ralph Mowery:
>> >>>>>>>> In article <ed8eb111-6898-4163...@googlegroups.com>,
>> >>>>>>>> bloggs.fred...@gmail.com says...
>> >>>> <snip>
>> >>>>>> Yes, very fine "Christian nation" we have here, ladies and gentlemen. If and when Islam conquers the world nobody should be fuckin' surprised.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Islam is actually a Judeo-Christian religion, it was not created in a vacuum, Muhammad was very well educated in Judeo-Christianity. It's just the modern fanatics who want to recreate 7th century lifestyles.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Would the Fundamentalist Right in America be willing to tolerate anything as advanced as a 7th century lifestyle? Wu Zetian did remarkably well as empress of China in that period.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wu_Zetian
>> >>>
>> >>> 7th century China did not aim to eliminate all freedom and religion including Islam. I wonder why Iran is cooperating with Communism (a religion) to eliminate their own religion. Afghan is just another Iran wanna be.
>> >>
>> >> Communism isn't a religion. It's pretty irrational, and the power structure is as inflexible as those you see in successful religions, but there's no supernatural element.
>> >>
>> >> Islam was just getting under way in the 7th century, quite a long way from China, so China wouldn't have seen the need to eliminate it.
>> >>
>> >> Iran seems to be performing at a rather higher higher level than Afghanistan. There's been no suggestion - so far - that the Taliban are trying to develop their own nuclear weapons.
>> >>
>> >No need. Once they take over Pakistan, they will have nukes...
>
>If they can get them to work. Nuclear weapons are complicated, and they need a fairly sophisticated technical support network to keep them working.
>
>> There's a frightening thought! One would hope the Pakistanis would have the good grace to 'scuttle' their nuclear weapons when they see the Taliban coming over the hill, but would they?
>
>They could use them on the Taliban, but they probably wouldn't need to. Afghanistan is great country for guerilla warfare - Pakistan less so.
>
>Cursitor Doom is easily frightened by his favorite boogeymen, and much too ignorant to worry about the real dangers his complacent ignorance ignores.
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Britain: do the right thing and hand Australia back to China.

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On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 7:15:03 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 1:54:54 AM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
> > > The comprehension problem is all yours. You seem to think that making all kinds of preposterous claims about the intrinsic evils of Communism is a a useful and constructive political activity, when it looks exactly like the kind mindless propaganda that George Orwell satirised in "1984".
> > >
> > > If you restricted yourself to being rude about the real defects of the Communists, rather than unspecific bleating about them being evil and anti-human, you might even have some political effect, not that you have the wit to do it effectively. You don't come across as having any more grasp of reality than Cursitor Doom or John Larkin, and you certainly seem to be just as gullible.
> >
> > You are the one saying that "anti-Communism statement is good for Communism".
> What I'm saying is that stupid, misdirected anti-Communism doesn't do Communism any harm, and tends to devalue efforts to expose and correct the real defects of Communism. This a rather more complicated idea than you can make sense of, so you go with the idiotic over-simplification that works for you.

I quoted directly what Xi said in a public speech. You are posting misdirected interpretations.

> > You should be happy that i am calling you an idiot with learning disabilities, it's really good for you.
> It certainly make you look stupid, but pretty much everything you post does that anyway.
> > Why do you keep bringing up other people in arguments?
> Because they provide examples of other people making the same mistakes.

In Bill B.S. Slowman's mind, i am really a Slowman fan saying that Bill is an ignorance idiot with learning disability and thinking disorder. I am saying it for the good of B.S. Slowman, according to his twisted negative logic.

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 by: Anthony William Slom - Wed, 18 Aug 2021 15:53 UTC

On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 1:07:51 AM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 7:15:03 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 1:54:54 AM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:

<snip>

> In Bill Sloman's mind, I am really a Sloman fan saying that Bill is an ignorance idiot with learning disability and thinking disorder. I am saying it for the good of Bill.Sloman, according to his twisted negative logic.

Granting your capacity to get things wrong, you might even believe this nonsense.

Just for the record, I don't think that you are any kind of fan mine. I think that you are a deluded half-wit who resents any kind of criticism, and imagines that I take you seriously enough to worry about your politics . The world is full of deluded halfwits like you who get suckered by all kinds of nonsensical right-wing political propaganda, and I take a certain pleasure in pointing out how idiotic you are. It is pretty much as waste of time, but it might discourage a few people from taking you seriously.

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