On Friday, 19 November 2021 at 20:13:17 UTC+1, Michael Moroney wrote:
> On 11/18/2021 1:57 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
> > Am 16.11.2021 um 14:39 schrieb Odd Bodkin:
> > ...
> >
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> E.g. there was a great man hunt in Germany after WWII by US,
> >>>>> British and
> >>>>> Russian forces for German scientists.
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes, that’s true. As far as I know, none of them conducted their
> >>>> research
> >>>> as prisoners of war. Do you have any evidence that they did? Or is this
> >>>> just something that’s at least as likely as aliens sharing their
> >>>> technology
> >>>> with the military?
> The US and Soviets both took the "valuable" scientists in to be used in

What valuble scientists, stupid Mike? German science
was denying The Shit of your Giant Guru, how could
German scientists be valuable somehow?

Am 19.11.2021 um 20:13 schrieb Michael Moroney:
> On 11/18/2021 1:57 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
>> Am 16.11.2021 um 14:39 schrieb Odd Bodkin:
>> ...
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> E.g. there was a great man hunt in Germany after WWII by US,
>>>>>> British and
>>>>>> Russian forces for German scientists.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, that’s true. As far as I know, none of them conducted their
>>>>> research
>>>>> as prisoners of war. Do you have any evidence that they did? Or is
>>>>> this
>>>>> just something that’s at least as likely as aliens sharing their
>>>>> technology
>>>>> with the military?
>
> The US and Soviets both took the "valuable" scientists in to be used in
> their respective "Our Nazis are better than your Nazis" space race
> contest. But not as POWs. (not sure how the Soviets treated their rocket
> scientists)

Think about the soviet Union as one gigantic GULAG, which islands of
liberties for the wards.

>>>> The Soviets took millions of German pows and released about 10% alive.
>
> Other than super scientists, Russians were considered both inferior
> Slavs and inferior Commies, so they were treated very poorly.

With 'German PoWs' I meant, of course, 'German in Soviet(US, British
....) PoW camps'.

The number was extremely huge (several millions).

The Soviets kept their PoWs up to ten years in camps in Siberia, from
were about ten percent returned alive.

British extorted everything of value from their PoWs by such means:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnRkaK3hBeU

>>>> About the USA I don't know the numbers, but certainly there have
>>>> been a lot.
>>>>
>>>> The main interest was apparently in scientists, because the US-forces
>>>> took actually special care to find as many as possible. >>
>>> No, the main interest was ethnicity, for those who were taken into
>>> internment camps. In case you did not know this, fascism tends to
>>> suppress
>>> science and academia. There are good reasons fascist governments want
>>> to do
>>> this.
>
> Seems you are discussing different things here.

seems so..

>>>
>>
>> What do mean with 'ethnicity'?
>>
>> Do you want to say, the Americans took only 'white' people as PoWs?
>
> No, the Nazis wanted to deport and exterminate everyone whom they did
> not consider "Aryan".

'German Pows' means 'German soldiers, captured by allied forces and
brought to camps abroad'.

>> Would that make any sense?
>
> Your comment? Of course not. The Nazis were the overly racist one there.

Sure, but we were discussing the allies.

>
TH

On 11/20/2021 2:49 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
> Am 19.11.2021 um 20:13 schrieb Michael Moroney:
>> On 11/18/2021 1:57 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
>>> Am 16.11.2021 um 14:39 schrieb Odd Bodkin:
>>> ...
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> E.g. there was a great man hunt in Germany after WWII by US,
>>>>>>> British and
>>>>>>> Russian forces for German scientists.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, that’s true. As far as I know, none of them conducted their
>>>>>> research
>>>>>> as prisoners of war. Do you have any evidence that they did? Or is
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> just something that’s at least as likely as aliens sharing their
>>>>>> technology
>>>>>> with the military?
>>
>> The US and Soviets both took the "valuable" scientists in to be used in
>> their respective "Our Nazis are better than your Nazis" space race
>> contest. But not as POWs. (not sure how the Soviets treated their rocket
>> scientists)
>
> Think about the soviet Union as one gigantic GULAG, which islands of
> liberties for the wards.

Certainly. The Soviets weren't exactly kind to the forces which invaded
them and killed so many. I guess things were relative, how well were
captured German scientists treated compared to a simple soldier?
>
>>>>> The Soviets took millions of German pows and released about 10% alive.
>>
>> Other than super scientists, Russians were considered both inferior
>> Slavs and inferior Commies, so they were treated very poorly.
>
> With 'German PoWs' I meant, of course, 'German in Soviet(US, British
> ...) PoW camps'.

It seems my thought process got reversed partway through this. Indeed
this is about German POWs held by the Soviets and Allies. I probably
walked away from the reply and returned.
>
> The number was extremely huge (several millions).
>
> The Soviets kept their PoWs up to ten years in camps in Siberia, from
> were about ten percent returned alive.
>
> British extorted everything of value from their PoWs by such means:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnRkaK3hBeU
>
>

Am 20.11.2021 um 21:10 schrieb Michael Moroney:
> On 11/20/2021 2:49 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
>> Am 19.11.2021 um 20:13 schrieb Michael Moroney:

>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> E.g. there was a great man hunt in Germany after WWII by US,
>>>>>>>> British and
>>>>>>>> Russian forces for German scientists.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, that’s true. As far as I know, none of them conducted their
>>>>>>> research
>>>>>>> as prisoners of war. Do you have any evidence that they did? Or is
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> just something that’s at least as likely as aliens sharing their
>>>>>>> technology
>>>>>>> with the military?
>>>
>>> The US and Soviets both took the "valuable" scientists in to be used in
>>> their respective "Our Nazis are better than your Nazis" space race
>>> contest. But not as POWs. (not sure how the Soviets treated their rocket
>>> scientists)
>>
>> Think about the soviet Union as one gigantic GULAG, which islands of
>> liberties for the wards.
>
> Certainly. The Soviets weren't exactly kind to the forces which invaded
> them and killed so many. I guess things were relative, how well were
> captured German scientists treated compared to a simple soldier?

The worst treatment received actually German Communists, which fled to
the Soviet Union.

Most of them were imprisoned in a 'hotel' in Moskow, interrogated and in
many cases executed.

Scientists were mainly captured by the US-troops and brought into the
USA. The Soviets got only a few.

What happened to these is more or less unknown.

>>>>>> The Soviets took millions of German pows and released about 10%
>>>>>> alive.
>>>
>>> Other than super scientists, Russians were considered both inferior
>>> Slavs and inferior Commies, so they were treated very poorly.
>>
>> With 'German PoWs' I meant, of course, 'German in Soviet(US, British
>> ...) PoW camps'.
>
> It seems my thought process got reversed partway through this. Indeed
> this is about German POWs held by the Soviets and Allies. I probably
> walked away from the reply and returned.

well..

TH