In article <op.1jd0towzmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>, Commander Kinsey
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

> >
> > You've highlighted another piece of Windows primitiveness. That I can
> > rename a
> > file or move it to another folder when it's open is very useful and
> > something
> > I do quite often too.
> >
> > Quite why the fact that's it's open should prevent me, the user, doing
> > something I want to do is a mystery. Even MS Office for macOS knows how to
> > cope with having an open file moved elsewhere. Certainly all macOS apps I've
> > ever used have no trouble with the notion.
>
> Your mind is really tangled up if you rename while stuff is open. I have
> never in my entire life wanted to do that.

other people have, often for a file that is in use by a background
process and they have no idea it's even open.

> It's a horrid thing to think
> about implementing in an OS, it would have to pass the new name to whatever
> program had it open.

it's actually quite simple. apps get a filename changed event so that
they can update the ui, such as the title bar.

> And what if it's in the middle of writing to it?

doesn't matter. once the file is open, the original file name does not
matter.

> No idea how Apple manged that,

they're smart.

> and no idea why they even bothered.

because not doing so caused problems.

In article <op.1jd1d3bimvhs6z@ryzen.lan>, Commander Kinsey
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

> > The bollocks approach of drive letters stems from the rubbish that was the
> > operating system on IBM mainframes from yesteryear, when your program read
> > from / wrote to mag tapes. The drives were given id's (much like DOS drive
> > letters), and when run, your program would read from whatever tape was
> > mounted
> > there. So you had to hope that the machine operator, when prompted, had
> > loaded
> > your tape on the correct tape.
> >
> > Magtapes with readbable labels that could be mounted on any drive and which
> > would be referred to by the user's program by name, rather than by drive,
> > came
> > later.
>
> I'm currently testing a huge number of USB sticks. I can easily refer to
> each one by drive letter.

not uniquely, you can't, especially if there are more than 23 of them.

> They're brand new, they don't have names, probably
> "USB drive" or something. Your way is clumsy.

it's actually more robust. drive letters are not unique per device.

In article <XnsAE58DC9D0F574HT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>, Gremlin
<nobody@haph.org> wrote:

> >> >>>>> How do you enter a path for example? How can a program refer to
> >> >>>>> a file if there's no letter?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> It's a UNIX system so all paths are relative to root '/'. Once you
> >> >>>> get used to a unified system, drive letters make no sense.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Add to that on macOS you can move and rename files even when they
> >> >>> are open.
> >> >>
> >> >> All paths relative to root?
> >> >
> >> > Absolute paths are. You can also have relative paths.
> >>
> >> Talk about complicating matters. This shit belongs in linux.
> >
> > absolute and relative paths are not complicated, and actually simplify
> > things quite a bit.
> >
> > mac os is built upon bsd unix so its paths are basically the same as
> > with linux, but unlike linux, there are additional ways to identify a
> > file than by using paths, which are very primitive and very limiting.
>
> I'm not sure what you mean by your unlike linux statement. Can you give an
> example or two of what you intended to convey?

referencing files in mac os can be done in various ways, with paths
being just one.

<https://developer.apple.com/documentation/foundation/nsfilemanager>
When specifying the location of files, you can use either NSURL or
NSString objects. The use of the NSURL class is generally preferred
for specifying file-system items because URLs can convert path
information to a more efficient representation internally. You can
also obtain a bookmark from an NSURL object, which is similar to
an alias and offers a more sure way of locating the file or directory
later.

> You likely already know this, but it's being repeated for those who do
> not. Kinsey is primarily jerking you and others around for entertainment
> and idle conversation. He's beyond lonely for contact with another human
> being.
>
> It's why he goes and creates nonsense threads like this and many
> others. He does provide some entertainment when snit (another troll) and
> himself have discussions, but, that's about all.
>
> He doesn't really give a shit about any of this. It's just another thread
> to feed him the attention he didn't get growing up.

yep.

On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 17:20:08 -0000, TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

> On 21 Mar 2022 at 15:46:05 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> Two floppy drives, ROTFPMSL! I haven't had a single floppy drive for decades.
>
> Do try and stay focussed. Lets say two SSDs if that makes you happier.

SSDs aren't randomly plugged into different sockets.

>>> I've never found a problem with letters. I'm not in the habit of shifting stuff randomly about.
>
> Doing anything interesting on a computer too hard for you, I suppose.

I do plenty, I have had 12 drives connected to this one. Lettering each one makes it very easy to tell what's what.

>>> And referring to something as E instead of Wiggy is quicker and easier.
>
> But it doesn't stay as E:, does it. When you add a new device and reboot,
> suddenly it's F:
>
> It's such bollocks.

No, they stay the same letter unless two try to be the same one.

On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 17:28:04 -0000, TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

> On 21 Mar 2022 at 15:47:38 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 14:22:25 -0000, TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>
>>> Quite why the fact that's it's open should prevent me, the user, doing
>>> something I want to do is a mystery. Even MS Office for macOS knows how to
>>> cope with having an open file moved elsewhere. Certainly all macOS apps I've
>>> ever used have no trouble with the notion.
>>
>> Your mind is really tangled up if you rename while stuff is open.
>
> Why. It's a perfectly natural thing to do.

No it isn't. Do you change what you're wearing while driving your car?

>> I have never in my entire life wanted to do that. It's a horrid thing to think about implementing in an OS, it would have to pass the new name to whatever program had it open.
>
> It's a simple thing to do. Each program just gets passed a file system event,
> IIRC.

So each program has to be written to allow for this.

>> And what if it's in the middle of writing to it?
>
> That you even think this is relevant shows how limited your knowledgs is. When
> a file is opened, the FS passes a file handle back to the program. A name
> change is an alteration to the directory entry, nothing more, just as already
> happens on each write to the file, which changes its modification date/time.
> The program just carries on using the file handle, which relates to the
> directory *entry*, not its content.
>
> The file system event is sent to the program to notify it that the name (and
> for a move, the path too) relating to this file handle, has changed. The
> program can handle that asynchronously.

If that were true you could rename an open file in windows.

>> No idea how Apple manged that, and no idea why they even bothered.
>
> Because they applied some brain cells to the matter.

They had to cater for the lower intelligence market share.

On 21 Mar 2022 at 18:14:11 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 17:20:08 -0000, TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>
>> On 21 Mar 2022 at 15:46:05 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Two floppy drives, ROTFPMSL! I haven't had a single floppy drive for decades.
>>
>> Do try and stay focussed. Lets say two SSDs if that makes you happier.
>
> SSDs aren't randomly plugged into different sockets.

I just plug em into any handy socket.

--
Tim

On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 18:16:09 -0000, TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

> On 21 Mar 2022 at 18:14:11 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 17:20:08 -0000, TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 21 Mar 2022 at 15:46:05 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Two floppy drives, ROTFPMSL! I haven't had a single floppy drive for decades.
>>>
>>> Do try and stay focussed. Lets say two SSDs if that makes you happier.
>>
>> SSDs aren't randomly plugged into different sockets.
>
> I just plug em into any handy socket.

Mine are inside the computer. They get plugged in once in their lifetime.

On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 22:20:18 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mar 14, 2022 at 4:01:51 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.1i0oxdylmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Fri, 11 Mar 2022 04:59:09 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mar 10, 2022 at 9:20:37 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.1iumcnw4mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 03 Mar 2022 02:27:05 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 2, 2022 at 5:15:25 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>> <op.1iekbzqymvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 03:03:34 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Feb 26, 2022 at 1:52:11 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>> <op.1h7tk90xmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 03:11:37 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 24, 2022 at 4:52:30 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>>> <op.1h4clsdamvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 23:16:11 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 20, 2022 at 3:33:56 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> <op.1hwuautymvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 19:00:55 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 20, 2022 at 8:21:46 AM MST, "Chris" wrote <sutmaa$e75$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I mainly use PCs and thought, how do Mac users manage without drive letters?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Easily.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How do you enter a path for example? How can a program refer to a file
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if there's no letter?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's a UNIX system so all paths are relative to root '/'. Once you get used
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to a unified system, drive letters make no sense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Add to that on macOS you can move and rename files even when they are open.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> All paths relative to root?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Absolute paths are. You can also have relative paths.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Talk about complicating matters. This shit belongs in linux.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Makes it easier:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> * Go to such and such address
>>>>>>>>> * Go two doors up
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Both of those fit with how we do things normally. Which is better depends on
>>>>>>>>> the circumstances.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How is this showing the mac way is better?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Given how Windows also uses absolute and relative paths, what makes you think
>>>>>>> it is different?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've just plugged in 6 USB sticks, all with the same name "USB drive".
>>>>>> They're called E:, F:, G:, H:, I:, J:. How would this work on a mac?
>>>>>
>>>>> I think the first one would be labeled "USB Drive", next one "USB Drive 1",
>>>>> then "USB Drive 2", etc. Much better to not have the same names -- that way
>>>>> you do not have to track the numbers or the letters.
>>>>
>>>> So much quicker to refer to something with a single keystroke.
>>>
>>> What keystroke refers to an entire path?
>>
>> I meant to refer to a drive, for example "F".
>
> Which drive is that?

In my case it's a USB stick I just plugged in.

On Mar 21, 2022 at 11:49:58 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.1jd89kgnmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 22:20:18 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mar 14, 2022 at 4:01:51 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.1i0oxdylmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Fri, 11 Mar 2022 04:59:09 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mar 10, 2022 at 9:20:37 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.1iumcnw4mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 03 Mar 2022 02:27:05 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 2, 2022 at 5:15:25 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>> <op.1iekbzqymvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 03:03:34 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Feb 26, 2022 at 1:52:11 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>> <op.1h7tk90xmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 03:11:37 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 24, 2022 at 4:52:30 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>>>> <op.1h4clsdamvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 23:16:11 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 20, 2022 at 3:33:56 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> <op.1hwuautymvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 19:00:55 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 20, 2022 at 8:21:46 AM MST, "Chris" wrote <sutmaa$e75$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I mainly use PCs and thought, how do Mac users manage without drive letters?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Easily.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How do you enter a path for example? How can a program refer to a file
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if there's no letter?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's a UNIX system so all paths are relative to root '/'. Once you get used
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to a unified system, drive letters make no sense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Add to that on macOS you can move and rename files even when they are open.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> All paths relative to root?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Absolute paths are. You can also have relative paths.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Talk about complicating matters. This shit belongs in linux.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Makes it easier:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> * Go to such and such address
>>>>>>>>>> * Go two doors up
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Both of those fit with how we do things normally. Which is better depends on
>>>>>>>>>> the circumstances.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How is this showing the mac way is better?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Given how Windows also uses absolute and relative paths, what makes you think
>>>>>>>> it is different?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've just plugged in 6 USB sticks, all with the same name "USB drive".
>>>>>>> They're called E:, F:, G:, H:, I:, J:. How would this work on a mac?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think the first one would be labeled "USB Drive", next one "USB Drive 1",
>>>>>> then "USB Drive 2", etc. Much better to not have the same names -- that way
>>>>>> you do not have to track the numbers or the letters.
>>>>>
>>>>> So much quicker to refer to something with a single keystroke.
>>>>
>>>> What keystroke refers to an entire path?
>>>
>>> I meant to refer to a drive, for example "F".
>>
>> Which drive is that?
>
> In my case it's a USB stick I just plugged in.

Why not just reference it by name... then it does not matter what order you
plug it in.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 21 Mar 2022 at 18:21:09 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 18:16:09 -0000, TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>
>> On 21 Mar 2022 at 18:14:11 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 17:20:08 -0000, TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 21 Mar 2022 at 15:46:05 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Two floppy drives, ROTFPMSL! I haven't had a single floppy drive for decades.
>>>>
>>>> Do try and stay focussed. Lets say two SSDs if that makes you happier.
>>>
>>> SSDs aren't randomly plugged into different sockets.
>>
>> I just plug em into any handy socket.
>
> Mine are inside the computer. They get plugged in once in their lifetime.

Never heard of external drives, obvs.

--
Tim

On 21 Mar 2022 at 18:15:54 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 17:28:04 -0000, TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

>> The file system event is sent to the program to notify it that the name (and
>> for a move, the path too) relating to this file handle, has changed. The
>> program can handle that asynchronously.
>
> If that were true you could rename an open file in windows.

Perhaps you could, in principle. But knowing that they only have to cater for
dimwits like you, I imagine they couldn't be arsed. Or maybe some other
rubbish aspect of their OS prevents it. Not that they're bothered - they know
that dimwits like you have inadequate imagination to challenge that "the
computer says no".

--
Tim

On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 19:03:36 -0000, TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

> On 21 Mar 2022 at 18:21:09 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 18:16:09 -0000, TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 21 Mar 2022 at 18:14:11 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 17:20:08 -0000, TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 21 Mar 2022 at 15:46:05 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Two floppy drives, ROTFPMSL! I haven't had a single floppy drive for decades.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do try and stay focussed. Lets say two SSDs if that makes you happier.
>>>>
>>>> SSDs aren't randomly plugged into different sockets.
>>>
>>> I just plug em into any handy socket.
>>
>> Mine are inside the computer. They get plugged in once in their lifetime.
>
> Never heard of external drives, obvs.

Your obviousness checker is broken.

I get the same drive letter no matter what USB socket I use. Do you seriously think Windows allocates a letter to each socket?!

On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 19:12:50 -0000, TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

> On 21 Mar 2022 at 18:15:54 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 17:28:04 -0000, TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>
>>> The file system event is sent to the program to notify it that the name (and
>>> for a move, the path too) relating to this file handle, has changed. The
>>> program can handle that asynchronously.
>>
>> If that were true you could rename an open file in windows.
>
> Perhaps you could, in principle. But knowing that they only have to cater for
> dimwits like you, I imagine they couldn't be arsed. Or maybe some other
> rubbish aspect of their OS prevents it. Not that they're bothered - they know
> that dimwits like you have inadequate imagination to challenge that "the
> computer says no".

The dimwits are the ones that keep renaming stuff all the time, while they're in the middle of using it! I tend to spell it correctly in the first place. Go back to school.

On 21 Mar 2022 at 20:24:25 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 19:12:50 -0000, TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>
>> On 21 Mar 2022 at 18:15:54 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 17:28:04 -0000, TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>
>>>> The file system event is sent to the program to notify it that the name (and
>>>> for a move, the path too) relating to this file handle, has changed. The
>>>> program can handle that asynchronously.
>>>
>>> If that were true you could rename an open file in windows.
>>
>> Perhaps you could, in principle. But knowing that they only have to cater for
>> dimwits like you, I imagine they couldn't be arsed. Or maybe some other
>> rubbish aspect of their OS prevents it. Not that they're bothered - they know
>> that dimwits like you have inadequate imagination to challenge that "the
>> computer says no".
>
> The dimwits are the ones that keep renaming stuff all the time, while they're in the middle of using it! I tend to spell it correctly in the first place. Go back to school.

I'll pass that wise piece of advice on to those who send me files. I'll tell
them they should have known ahead of time what name I would want to use for
the file.

--
Tim

On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 21:38:32 -0000, TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

> On 21 Mar 2022 at 20:24:25 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 19:12:50 -0000, TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 21 Mar 2022 at 18:15:54 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 17:28:04 -0000, TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> The file system event is sent to the program to notify it that the name (and
>>>>> for a move, the path too) relating to this file handle, has changed. The
>>>>> program can handle that asynchronously.
>>>>
>>>> If that were true you could rename an open file in windows.
>>>
>>> Perhaps you could, in principle. But knowing that they only have to cater for
>>> dimwits like you, I imagine they couldn't be arsed. Or maybe some other
>>> rubbish aspect of their OS prevents it. Not that they're bothered - they know
>>> that dimwits like you have inadequate imagination to challenge that "the
>>> computer says no".
>>
>> The dimwits are the ones that keep renaming stuff all the time, while they're in the middle of using it! I tend to spell it correctly in the first place. Go back to school.
>
> I'll pass that wise piece of advice on to those who send me files. I'll tell
> them they should have known ahead of time what name I would want to use for
> the file.

Why don't you rename it before you open it? I simply don't have this problem.

In article <op.1jd7osibmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>, Commander Kinsey
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

> >
> > It's a simple thing to do. Each program just gets passed a file system
> > event,
> > IIRC.
>
> So each program has to be written to allow for this.

nope. it's part of the os and apps get that functionality for free.

On Monday, 21 March 2022 at 21:51:29 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 21:38:32 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> > On 21 Mar 2022 at 20:24:25 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 19:12:50 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 21 Mar 2022 at 18:15:54 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 17:28:04 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>> The file system event is sent to the program to notify it that the name (and
> >>>>> for a move, the path too) relating to this file handle, has changed. The
> >>>>> program can handle that asynchronously.
> >>>>
> >>>> If that were true you could rename an open file in windows.
> >>>
> >>> Perhaps you could, in principle. But knowing that they only have to cater for
> >>> dimwits like you, I imagine they couldn't be arsed. Or maybe some other
> >>> rubbish aspect of their OS prevents it. Not that they're bothered - they know
> >>> that dimwits like you have inadequate imagination to challenge that "the
> >>> computer says no".
> >>
> >> The dimwits are the ones that keep renaming stuff all the time, while they're in the middle of using it! I tend to spell it correctly in the first place. Go back to school.
> >
> > I'll pass that wise piece of advice on to those who send me files. I'll tell
> > them they should have known ahead of time what name I would want to use for
> > the file.
>
> Why don't you rename it before you open it? I simply don't have this problem.

I don't know what it is until I open it and start playing it, if it's a movie.

Someone sent me a CV I found in an email afew years ago, no idea who it was until after I opened it.
Then I renamed the CV.doc to the name of the person i.e steve-prince CV.doc.
then closed it.
I used to send studetns an excel file called order-form, they'd send it back and it was called order-form.
Imagine have 30+ order-forms , as I opened them I'd then rename them once I knew they contain something valid.
Now we use google docs and I can rename any file I have open. This is handy when writing help sheets I can change the version number without having to keep opening or close the file.

As you say can't you get out of your car without turning the engine off. Seems pretty stupid to have to turn the engine off
whenever you get out of the car.

On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 13:26:50 -0000, whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Monday, 21 March 2022 at 21:51:29 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 21:38:32 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
>> > On 21 Mar 2022 at 20:24:25 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 19:12:50 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On 21 Mar 2022 at 18:15:54 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 17:28:04 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>> The file system event is sent to the program to notify it that the name (and
>> >>>>> for a move, the path too) relating to this file handle, has changed. The
>> >>>>> program can handle that asynchronously.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> If that were true you could rename an open file in windows.
>> >>>
>> >>> Perhaps you could, in principle. But knowing that they only have to cater for
>> >>> dimwits like you, I imagine they couldn't be arsed. Or maybe some other
>> >>> rubbish aspect of their OS prevents it. Not that they're bothered - they know
>> >>> that dimwits like you have inadequate imagination to challenge that "the
>> >>> computer says no".
>> >>
>> >> The dimwits are the ones that keep renaming stuff all the time, while they're in the middle of using it! I tend to spell it correctly in the first place. Go back to school.
>> >
>> > I'll pass that wise piece of advice on to those who send me files. I'll tell
>> > them they should have known ahead of time what name I would want to use for
>> > the file.
>>
>> Why don't you rename it before you open it? I simply don't have this problem.
>
> I don't know what it is until I open it and start playing it, if it's a movie.
>
> Someone sent me a CV I found in an email afew years ago, no idea who it was until after I opened it.
> Then I renamed the CV.doc to the name of the person i.e steve-prince CV.doc.
> then closed it.
> I used to send studetns an excel file called order-form, they'd send it back and it was called order-form.
> Imagine have 30+ order-forms , as I opened them I'd then rename them once I knew they contain something valid.
> Now we use google docs and I can rename any file I have open. This is handy when writing help sheets I can change the version number without having to keep opening or close the file.

I just close it to rename, it makes more logical sense.

> As you say can't you get out of your car without turning the engine off. Seems pretty stupid to have to turn the engine off
> whenever you get out of the car.

Have you seen the Americans losing their cars?

On 22 Mar 2022 at 19:52:45 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 13:26:50 -0000, whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Monday, 21 March 2022 at 21:51:29 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 21:38:32 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>>> On 21 Mar 2022 at 20:24:25 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 19:12:50 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 21 Mar 2022 at 18:15:54 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 17:28:04 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The file system event is sent to the program to notify it that the name (and
>>>>>>>> for a move, the path too) relating to this file handle, has changed. The
>>>>>>>> program can handle that asynchronously.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If that were true you could rename an open file in windows.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Perhaps you could, in principle. But knowing that they only have to cater for
>>>>>> dimwits like you, I imagine they couldn't be arsed. Or maybe some other
>>>>>> rubbish aspect of their OS prevents it. Not that they're bothered - they know
>>>>>> that dimwits like you have inadequate imagination to challenge that "the
>>>>>> computer says no".
>>>>>
>>>>> The dimwits are the ones that keep renaming stuff all the time, while they're in the middle of using it! I tend to spell it correctly in the first place. Go back to school.
>>>>
>>>> I'll pass that wise piece of advice on to those who send me files. I'll tell
>>>> them they should have known ahead of time what name I would want to use for
>>>> the file.
>>>
>>> Why don't you rename it before you open it? I simply don't have this problem.
>>
>> I don't know what it is until I open it and start playing it, if it's a movie.
>>
>> Someone sent me a CV I found in an email afew years ago, no idea who it was until after I opened it.
>> Then I renamed the CV.doc to the name of the person i.e steve-prince CV.doc.
>> then closed it.
>> I used to send studetns an excel file called order-form, they'd send it back and it was called order-form.
>> Imagine have 30+ order-forms , as I opened them I'd then rename them once I knew they contain something valid.
>> Now we use google docs and I can rename any file I have open. This is handy when writing help sheets I can change the version number without having to keep opening or close the file.
>
> I just close it to rename, it makes more logical sense.

Makes no sense at all. And ask an ordinary person (i.e., one not in thrall to
the mighty computer, so that lets you out) why they should be forced to close
a file before they can rename it, they'd think you were nuts. And they'd be
right.

--
Tim

On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 21:24:01 -0000, TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

> On 22 Mar 2022 at 19:52:45 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 13:26:50 -0000, whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, 21 March 2022 at 21:51:29 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 21:38:32 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 21 Mar 2022 at 20:24:25 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 19:12:50 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 21 Mar 2022 at 18:15:54 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 17:28:04 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The file system event is sent to the program to notify it that the name (and
>>>>>>>>> for a move, the path too) relating to this file handle, has changed. The
>>>>>>>>> program can handle that asynchronously.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If that were true you could rename an open file in windows.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Perhaps you could, in principle. But knowing that they only have to cater for
>>>>>>> dimwits like you, I imagine they couldn't be arsed. Or maybe some other
>>>>>>> rubbish aspect of their OS prevents it. Not that they're bothered - they know
>>>>>>> that dimwits like you have inadequate imagination to challenge that "the
>>>>>>> computer says no".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The dimwits are the ones that keep renaming stuff all the time, while they're in the middle of using it! I tend to spell it correctly in the first place. Go back to school.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll pass that wise piece of advice on to those who send me files. I'll tell
>>>>> them they should have known ahead of time what name I would want to use for
>>>>> the file.
>>>>
>>>> Why don't you rename it before you open it? I simply don't have this problem.
>>>
>>> I don't know what it is until I open it and start playing it, if it's a movie.
>>>
>>> Someone sent me a CV I found in an email afew years ago, no idea who it was until after I opened it.
>>> Then I renamed the CV.doc to the name of the person i.e steve-prince CV.doc.
>>> then closed it.
>>> I used to send studetns an excel file called order-form, they'd send it back and it was called order-form.
>>> Imagine have 30+ order-forms , as I opened them I'd then rename them once I knew they contain something valid.
>>> Now we use google docs and I can rename any file I have open. This is handy when writing help sheets I can change the version number without having to keep opening or close the file.
>>
>> I just close it to rename, it makes more logical sense.
>
> Makes no sense at all. And ask an ordinary person (i.e., one not in thrall to
> the mighty computer, so that lets you out) why they should be forced to close
> a file before they can rename it, they'd think you were nuts. And they'd be
> right.

I turn off my car engine before I change parts on it. Adjusting something while it's running is insanity.

On 23 Mar 2022 at 07:59:09 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 21:24:01 -0000, TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>
>> On 22 Mar 2022 at 19:52:45 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 13:26:50 -0000, whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Monday, 21 March 2022 at 21:51:29 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 21:38:32 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On 21 Mar 2022 at 20:24:25 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 19:12:50 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 21 Mar 2022 at 18:15:54 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 17:28:04 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The file system event is sent to the program to notify it that the name (and
>>>>>>>>>> for a move, the path too) relating to this file handle, has changed. The
>>>>>>>>>> program can handle that asynchronously.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If that were true you could rename an open file in windows.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Perhaps you could, in principle. But knowing that they only have to cater for
>>>>>>>> dimwits like you, I imagine they couldn't be arsed. Or maybe some other
>>>>>>>> rubbish aspect of their OS prevents it. Not that they're bothered - they know
>>>>>>>> that dimwits like you have inadequate imagination to challenge that "the
>>>>>>>> computer says no".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The dimwits are the ones that keep renaming stuff all the time, while they're in the middle of using it! I tend to spell it correctly in the first place. Go back to school.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll pass that wise piece of advice on to those who send me files. I'll tell
>>>>>> them they should have known ahead of time what name I would want to use for
>>>>>> the file.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why don't you rename it before you open it? I simply don't have this problem.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know what it is until I open it and start playing it, if it's a movie.
>>>>
>>>> Someone sent me a CV I found in an email afew years ago, no idea who it was until after I opened it.
>>>> Then I renamed the CV.doc to the name of the person i.e steve-prince CV.doc.
>>>> then closed it.
>>>> I used to send studetns an excel file called order-form, they'd send it back and it was called order-form.
>>>> Imagine have 30+ order-forms , as I opened them I'd then rename them once I knew they contain something valid.
>>>> Now we use google docs and I can rename any file I have open. This is handy when writing help sheets I can change the version number without having to keep opening or close the file.
>>>
>>> I just close it to rename, it makes more logical sense.
>>
>> Makes no sense at all. And ask an ordinary person (i.e., one not in thrall to
>> the mighty computer, so that lets you out) why they should be forced to close
>> a file before they can rename it, they'd think you were nuts. And they'd be
>> right.
>
> I turn off my car engine before I change parts on it. Adjusting something while it's running is insanity.

I notice you've not managed to give a single reason why renaming or moving an
open file is a bad idea. It's all been "I don't do it", or "it doesn't make
sense" or an irrelevant analogy. You really must try harder or we'll just larf
at you.

--
Tim

On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 08:25:26 -0000, TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

> On 23 Mar 2022 at 07:59:09 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 21:24:01 -0000, TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 22 Mar 2022 at 19:52:45 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 13:26:50 -0000, whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, 21 March 2022 at 21:51:29 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 21:38:32 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 21 Mar 2022 at 20:24:25 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 19:12:50 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 21 Mar 2022 at 18:15:54 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 17:28:04 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The file system event is sent to the program to notify it that the name (and
>>>>>>>>>>> for a move, the path too) relating to this file handle, has changed. The
>>>>>>>>>>> program can handle that asynchronously.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If that were true you could rename an open file in windows.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Perhaps you could, in principle. But knowing that they only have to cater for
>>>>>>>>> dimwits like you, I imagine they couldn't be arsed. Or maybe some other
>>>>>>>>> rubbish aspect of their OS prevents it. Not that they're bothered - they know
>>>>>>>>> that dimwits like you have inadequate imagination to challenge that "the
>>>>>>>>> computer says no".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The dimwits are the ones that keep renaming stuff all the time, while they're in the middle of using it! I tend to spell it correctly in the first place. Go back to school.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'll pass that wise piece of advice on to those who send me files. I'll tell
>>>>>>> them they should have known ahead of time what name I would want to use for
>>>>>>> the file.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why don't you rename it before you open it? I simply don't have this problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know what it is until I open it and start playing it, if it's a movie.
>>>>>
>>>>> Someone sent me a CV I found in an email afew years ago, no idea who it was until after I opened it.
>>>>> Then I renamed the CV.doc to the name of the person i.e steve-prince CV.doc.
>>>>> then closed it.
>>>>> I used to send studetns an excel file called order-form, they'd send it back and it was called order-form.
>>>>> Imagine have 30+ order-forms , as I opened them I'd then rename them once I knew they contain something valid.
>>>>> Now we use google docs and I can rename any file I have open. This is handy when writing help sheets I can change the version number without having to keep opening or close the file.
>>>>
>>>> I just close it to rename, it makes more logical sense.
>>>
>>> Makes no sense at all. And ask an ordinary person (i.e., one not in thrall to
>>> the mighty computer, so that lets you out) why they should be forced to close
>>> a file before they can rename it, they'd think you were nuts. And they'd be
>>> right.
>>
>> I turn off my car engine before I change parts on it. Adjusting something while it's running is insanity.
>
> I notice you've not managed to give a single reason why renaming or moving an
> open file is a bad idea. It's all been "I don't do it", or "it doesn't make
> sense" or an irrelevant analogy. You really must try harder or we'll just larf
> at you.

My analogy was sensible. Not ever needing to do it is sensible. If you're so fucking incompetant that you make mistakes all the time and need to rename stuff while you're using it, then I guess the kid's toy is best for you. I'll stick with the machines designed for adults. But please, try to change your car's alternator while the engine is running, and get a friend to video it so I can see the mess.

On 23 Mar 2022 at 09:00:57 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

> I'll stick with the machines designed for adults.

Now we'll *really* larf at you. "Designed", you say? That's a joke right
there. "adults" - that's even funnier.

--
Tim

On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 11:52:47 -0000, TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

> On 23 Mar 2022 at 09:00:57 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> I'll stick with the machines designed for adults.
>
> Now we'll *really* larf at you. "Designed", you say? That's a joke right
> there. "adults" - that's even funnier.

There's a reason Macs aren't the most popular computer.

On 23 Mar 2022 at 11:57:25 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 11:52:47 -0000, TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>
>> On 23 Mar 2022 at 09:00:57 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'll stick with the machines designed for adults.
>>
>> Now we'll *really* larf at you. "Designed", you say? That's a joke right
>> there. "adults" - that's even funnier.
>
> There's a reason Macs aren't the most popular computer.

And you haven't figured out what it is. And see my sig below.

--
"The idea that Bill Gates has appeared like a knight in shining armour to lead all customers out of a mire of technological chaos neatly ignores the fact that it was he who, by peddling second-rate technology, led them into it in the first place." - Douglas Adams