On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 12:10:10 -0000, TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

> On 23 Mar 2022 at 11:57:25 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 11:52:47 -0000, TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 23 Mar 2022 at 09:00:57 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'll stick with the machines designed for adults.
>>>
>>> Now we'll *really* larf at you. "Designed", you say? That's a joke right
>>> there. "adults" - that's even funnier.
>>
>> There's a reason Macs aren't the most popular computer.
>
> And you haven't figured out what it is. And see my sig below.

Bullshit in the extreme. Customers choose what's best value. Macs aren't.

This is the big problem: PCs are made by thousands of different companies. Macs are made by one. No competition, your wallet is emptied.

On Tuesday, 22 March 2022 at 19:52:50 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 13:26:50 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Monday, 21 March 2022 at 21:51:29 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 21:38:32 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> >> > On 21 Mar 2022 at 20:24:25 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 19:12:50 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> On 21 Mar 2022 at 18:15:54 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 17:28:04 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>> The file system event is sent to the program to notify it that the name (and
> >> >>>>> for a move, the path too) relating to this file handle, has changed. The
> >> >>>>> program can handle that asynchronously.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> If that were true you could rename an open file in windows.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Perhaps you could, in principle. But knowing that they only have to cater for
> >> >>> dimwits like you, I imagine they couldn't be arsed. Or maybe some other
> >> >>> rubbish aspect of their OS prevents it. Not that they're bothered - they know
> >> >>> that dimwits like you have inadequate imagination to challenge that "the
> >> >>> computer says no".
> >> >>
> >> >> The dimwits are the ones that keep renaming stuff all the time, while they're in the middle of using it! I tend to spell it correctly in the first place. Go back to school.
> >> >
> >> > I'll pass that wise piece of advice on to those who send me files. I'll tell
> >> > them they should have known ahead of time what name I would want to use for
> >> > the file.
> >>
> >> Why don't you rename it before you open it? I simply don't have this problem.
> >
> > I don't know what it is until I open it and start playing it, if it's a movie.
> >
> > Someone sent me a CV I found in an email afew years ago, no idea who it was until after I opened it.
> > Then I renamed the CV.doc to the name of the person i.e steve-prince CV.doc.
> > then closed it.
> > I used to send studetns an excel file called order-form, they'd send it back and it was called order-form.
> > Imagine have 30+ order-forms , as I opened them I'd then rename them once I knew they contain something valid.
> > Now we use google docs and I can rename any file I have open. This is handy when writing help sheets I can change the version number without having to keep opening or close the file.
> I just close it to rename, it makes more logical sense.

Doesn't seem that way to me.

> > As you say can't you get out of your car without turning the engine off. Seems pretty stupid to have to turn the engine off
> > whenever you get out of the car.
> Have you seen the Americans losing their cars?

Haven't look I've seen plenty of them lose their minds.

On Wednesday, 23 March 2022 at 09:01:03 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 08:25:26 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> > On 23 Mar 2022 at 07:59:09 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 21:24:01 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 22 Mar 2022 at 19:52:45 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 13:26:50 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Monday, 21 March 2022 at 21:51:29 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >>>>>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 21:38:32 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 21 Mar 2022 at 20:24:25 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 19:12:50 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On 21 Mar 2022 at 18:15:54 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam..com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 17:28:04 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> The file system event is sent to the program to notify it that the name (and
> >>>>>>>>>>> for a move, the path too) relating to this file handle, has changed. The
> >>>>>>>>>>> program can handle that asynchronously.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> If that were true you could rename an open file in windows.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Perhaps you could, in principle. But knowing that they only have to cater for
> >>>>>>>>> dimwits like you, I imagine they couldn't be arsed. Or maybe some other
> >>>>>>>>> rubbish aspect of their OS prevents it. Not that they're bothered - they know
> >>>>>>>>> that dimwits like you have inadequate imagination to challenge that "the
> >>>>>>>>> computer says no".
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The dimwits are the ones that keep renaming stuff all the time, while they're in the middle of using it! I tend to spell it correctly in the first place. Go back to school.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'll pass that wise piece of advice on to those who send me files.. I'll tell
> >>>>>>> them they should have known ahead of time what name I would want to use for
> >>>>>>> the file.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Why don't you rename it before you open it? I simply don't have this problem.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I don't know what it is until I open it and start playing it, if it's a movie.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Someone sent me a CV I found in an email afew years ago, no idea who it was until after I opened it.
> >>>>> Then I renamed the CV.doc to the name of the person i.e steve-prince CV.doc.
> >>>>> then closed it.
> >>>>> I used to send studetns an excel file called order-form, they'd send it back and it was called order-form.
> >>>>> Imagine have 30+ order-forms , as I opened them I'd then rename them once I knew they contain something valid.
> >>>>> Now we use google docs and I can rename any file I have open. This is handy when writing help sheets I can change the version number without having to keep opening or close the file.
> >>>>
> >>>> I just close it to rename, it makes more logical sense.
> >>>
> >>> Makes no sense at all. And ask an ordinary person (i.e., one not in thrall to
> >>> the mighty computer, so that lets you out) why they should be forced to close
> >>> a file before they can rename it, they'd think you were nuts. And they'd be
> >>> right.
> >>
> >> I turn off my car engine before I change parts on it. Adjusting something while it's running is insanity.
> >
> > I notice you've not managed to give a single reason why renaming or moving an
> > open file is a bad idea. It's all been "I don't do it", or "it doesn't make
> > sense" or an irrelevant analogy. You really must try harder or we'll just larf
> > at you.
>
> My analogy was sensible. Not ever needing to do it is sensible. If you're so fucking incompetant that you make mistakes all the time and need to rename stuff while you're using it, then I guess the kid's toy is best for you.. I'll stick with the machines designed for adults.

PC for adults Ha , more kids have PCs than Macs.

> But please, try to change your car's alternator while the engine is running, and get a friend to video it so I can see the mess.
Hardware is differant from software even in a PC or car.
My Mac can update software and back up and all while I'm using it.
Do yuo really need to shutdown and switch off a PC to update the software ?

On Wednesday, 23 March 2022 at 11:57:28 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 11:52:47 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> > On 23 Mar 2022 at 09:00:57 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I'll stick with the machines designed for adults.
> >
> > Now we'll *really* larf at you. "Designed", you say? That's a joke right
> > there. "adults" - that's even funnier.
>
> There's a reason Macs aren't the most popular computer.

There's a reason why there's dog shit on the pavement but no gold nuggets left.

On Wednesday, 23 March 2022 at 12:18:54 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 12:10:10 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> > On 23 Mar 2022 at 11:57:25 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 11:52:47 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 23 Mar 2022 at 09:00:57 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I'll stick with the machines designed for adults.
> >>>
> >>> Now we'll *really* larf at you. "Designed", you say? That's a joke right
> >>> there. "adults" - that's even funnier.
> >>
> >> There's a reason Macs aren't the most popular computer.
> >
> > And you haven't figured out what it is. And see my sig below.
>
> Bullshit in the extreme. Customers choose what's best value. Macs aren't.

What is best value to one person doesn't have to be best value to another.
I can't drink bells or teachers (well not easily) my prefered standard whisky is Grants but it is more expensive.
I have a 1 litre bottle of the 50% but don't like it.
My prefered whisky is Isle of Jura , so you're telling me that Bells is a better whisky than Isle of Jura because it;s cheaper.
Well to get drunk quickly my prefereed drink was thunderbird wine .
In a pub it was snakebite & black, or hairy chest (PiLs + blackcurrent + vodka)

Here we use what's best for what's being done.

For our multimeadia lab where we use adbobe creative suite we have about 30 iMacs
as Macs tend to be better for graphics and you'll most likely find that graphic artists tend to prefer Macs.
For smost non critcal things any old PC will do that's why we have 92 PC's

You're allowed to choose which computer you want as a memebr of admin, academic or research staff.
Who also get what they want for use at home.
Most appear to choose a Macbook air as a general purpose laptop.

But us technicains don;t get a choice we get what the lab uses.
So I said well since ~1992 I was told I'm the Mac person and supported Mac users.
Then the head of department said Apple are going out of business because their computers are crap.
And we all know how badly their businness is going don't we.

So I opted for any old Mac that was considered to be not usuable, so I was given this ex research student machine,
complete with software from ~2015, of course after 3 years most PCs are considered worthless and spend most
of their time being repaired or out of action like the 4 of the 92 PCs in the lab which will be 3 years old in August.

But this 2011 iMac still going, no replacement HD or graphics card or display, or mouse or anything else,
not had to re-install OS or anything else, just updated the RAM and it's almost 11 years old.
Given the choice I'd rather have a 11 year old Mac than a 3 year old PC.

>
> This is the big problem: PCs are made by thousands of different companies..

yes and a big problem for MS and a few students have come to me saying their PC that they bought just before covid hit can't run windows 11 because of some chip incompatability .

> Macs are made by one. No competition

A distinct advantage their own prosessor too making sure everything works together with dedicated software,
one size doesn;t fit all does it.
Nothing wrong with making things people want to buy is there.
Unless you're a woolworths shopper, suprised ASDA, Lidel, Adli still make a profit.

I buy some of there stuff but some there's jusy no taste it's cheap stuff not worth buying unless you're really hard up.
There veggie sausage rolls at £2 taste like cardboard compared to the same type in sainsbury at £2.60
They may look the same have very similar packaging but.. just not worth it.

> your wallet is emptied.
hardly emptied .

But while I have this iMac all the PC's ahve been replaced twice now and they'll need replacing again soon.
---------------------------------------
You know what you were saying about RS well yesterday one of our academics wanted a PSU
for the new power lab, wanted it ASAP couldn't find it cheaper and availible so ordered yesterday midday and it arrived this morning.
RS 806-7565

On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 13:40:52 +0100, whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tuesday, 22 March 2022 at 19:52:50 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 13:26:50 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Monday, 21 March 2022 at 21:51:29 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 21:38:32 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
>> >> > On 21 Mar 2022 at 20:24:25 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 19:12:50 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> On 21 Mar 2022 at 18:15:54 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 17:28:04 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>> The file system event is sent to the program to notify it that the name (and
>> >> >>>>> for a move, the path too) relating to this file handle, has changed. The
>> >> >>>>> program can handle that asynchronously.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> If that were true you could rename an open file in windows.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Perhaps you could, in principle. But knowing that they only have to cater for
>> >> >>> dimwits like you, I imagine they couldn't be arsed. Or maybe some other
>> >> >>> rubbish aspect of their OS prevents it. Not that they're bothered - they know
>> >> >>> that dimwits like you have inadequate imagination to challenge that "the
>> >> >>> computer says no".
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The dimwits are the ones that keep renaming stuff all the time, while they're in the middle of using it! I tend to spell it correctly in the first place. Go back to school.
>> >> >
>> >> > I'll pass that wise piece of advice on to those who send me files. I'll tell
>> >> > them they should have known ahead of time what name I would want to use for
>> >> > the file.
>> >>
>> >> Why don't you rename it before you open it? I simply don't have this problem.
>> >
>> > I don't know what it is until I open it and start playing it, if it's a movie.
>> >
>> > Someone sent me a CV I found in an email afew years ago, no idea who it was until after I opened it.
>> > Then I renamed the CV.doc to the name of the person i.e steve-prince CV.doc.
>> > then closed it.
>> > I used to send studetns an excel file called order-form, they'd send it back and it was called order-form.
>> > Imagine have 30+ order-forms , as I opened them I'd then rename them once I knew they contain something valid.
>> > Now we use google docs and I can rename any file I have open. This is handy when writing help sheets I can change the version number without having to keep opening or close the file.
>> I just close it to rename, it makes more logical sense.
>
> Doesn't seem that way to me.

Why would I want to change something I'm in the middle of? I wouldn't sell my car and buy a new one while I was driving at 70mph on the motorway. I'd stop first.

>> > As you say can't you get out of your car without turning the engine off. Seems pretty stupid to have to turn the engine off
>> > whenever you get out of the car.
>> Have you seen the Americans losing their cars?
>
> Haven't look I've seen plenty of them lose their minds.

Impossible, they have nothing to lose.

On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 13:47:26 +0100, whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, 23 March 2022 at 09:01:03 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 08:25:26 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
>> > On 23 Mar 2022 at 07:59:09 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 21:24:01 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On 22 Mar 2022 at 19:52:45 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 13:26:50 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On Monday, 21 March 2022 at 21:51:29 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >>>>>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 21:38:32 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
>> >>>>>>> On 21 Mar 2022 at 20:24:25 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 19:12:50 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> On 21 Mar 2022 at 18:15:54 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 17:28:04 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> The file system event is sent to the program to notify it that the name (and
>> >>>>>>>>>>> for a move, the path too) relating to this file handle, has changed. The
>> >>>>>>>>>>> program can handle that asynchronously.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> If that were true you could rename an open file in windows.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Perhaps you could, in principle. But knowing that they only have to cater for
>> >>>>>>>>> dimwits like you, I imagine they couldn't be arsed. Or maybe some other
>> >>>>>>>>> rubbish aspect of their OS prevents it. Not that they're bothered - they know
>> >>>>>>>>> that dimwits like you have inadequate imagination to challenge that "the
>> >>>>>>>>> computer says no".
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> The dimwits are the ones that keep renaming stuff all the time, while they're in the middle of using it! I tend to spell it correctly in the first place. Go back to school.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I'll pass that wise piece of advice on to those who send me files. I'll tell
>> >>>>>>> them they should have known ahead of time what name I would want to use for
>> >>>>>>> the file.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Why don't you rename it before you open it? I simply don't have this problem.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I don't know what it is until I open it and start playing it, if it's a movie.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Someone sent me a CV I found in an email afew years ago, no idea who it was until after I opened it.
>> >>>>> Then I renamed the CV.doc to the name of the person i.e steve-prince CV.doc.
>> >>>>> then closed it.
>> >>>>> I used to send studetns an excel file called order-form, they'd send it back and it was called order-form.
>> >>>>> Imagine have 30+ order-forms , as I opened them I'd then rename them once I knew they contain something valid.
>> >>>>> Now we use google docs and I can rename any file I have open. This is handy when writing help sheets I can change the version number without having to keep opening or close the file.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I just close it to rename, it makes more logical sense.
>> >>>
>> >>> Makes no sense at all. And ask an ordinary person (i.e., one not in thrall to
>> >>> the mighty computer, so that lets you out) why they should be forced to close
>> >>> a file before they can rename it, they'd think you were nuts. And they'd be
>> >>> right.
>> >>
>> >> I turn off my car engine before I change parts on it. Adjusting something while it's running is insanity.
>> >
>> > I notice you've not managed to give a single reason why renaming or moving an
>> > open file is a bad idea. It's all been "I don't do it", or "it doesn't make
>> > sense" or an irrelevant analogy. You really must try harder or we'll just larf
>> > at you.
>>
>> My analogy was sensible. Not ever needing to do it is sensible. If you're so fucking incompetant that you make mistakes all the time and need to rename stuff while you're using it, then I guess the kid's toy is best for you. I'll stick with the machines designed for adults.
>
> PC for adults Ha, more kids have PCs than Macs.

Only because their parents have the sense to teach them the more widely used one.

>> But please, try to change your car's alternator while the engine is running, and get a friend to video it so I can see the mess.
>Hardware is differant from software even in a PC or car.
> My Mac can update software and back up and all while I'm using it.

I can run a backup while using it, it's called a "shadow copy".

But you can't update a program which is running. That's completely and utterly illogical.

> Do yuo really need to shutdown and switch off a PC to update the software ?

ROFL! Macs used to have to restart to install a printer driver, when PCs did not.

On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 13:49:03 +0100, whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, 23 March 2022 at 11:57:28 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 11:52:47 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
>> > On 23 Mar 2022 at 09:00:57 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I'll stick with the machines designed for adults.
>> >
>> > Now we'll *really* larf at you. "Designed", you say? That's a joke right
>> > there. "adults" - that's even funnier.
>>
>> There's a reason Macs aren't the most popular computer.
>
> There's a reason why there's dog shit on the pavement but no gold nuggets left.

That's supply and demand. Are you saying Apple can't make enough of them?

On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 15:18:56 +0100, whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, 23 March 2022 at 12:18:54 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 12:10:10 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
>> > On 23 Mar 2022 at 11:57:25 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 11:52:47 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On 23 Mar 2022 at 09:00:57 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> I'll stick with the machines designed for adults.
>> >>>
>> >>> Now we'll *really* larf at you. "Designed", you say? That's a joke right
>> >>> there. "adults" - that's even funnier.
>> >>
>> >> There's a reason Macs aren't the most popular computer.
>> >
>> > And you haven't figured out what it is. And see my sig below.
>>
>> Bullshit in the extreme. Customers choose what's best value. Macs aren't.
>
> What is best value to one person doesn't have to be best value to another.

Performance, calculations per second, versus money. Very simple.

> I can't drink bells or teachers (well not easily) my prefered standard whisky is Grants but it is more expensive.
> I have a 1 litre bottle of the 50% but don't like it.
> My prefered whisky is Isle of Jura , so you're telling me that Bells is a better whisky than Isle of Jura because it;s cheaper.

I drink alcohol for the amount of alcohol, I can always add mixers. Just as if a PC is more powerful but has less bells and whistles, I just install some software.

> Well to get drunk quickly my prefereed drink was thunderbird wine .
> In a pub it was snakebite & black, or hairy chest (PiLs + blackcurrent + vodka)

When I was a young teenager, me and a friend both had a bottle of white lightning each on a camping trip. Some kind of high alcohol stuff I got in a shop with a fake ID. His girlfriend was also with us, who refused to drink anything. I felt happy and tipsy, yet he got blind drunk, even though he was two or three times my physical size (he did a lot of weightlifting). I said something about his girlfriend (I think I said she was cute), and he lost his temper. He tried to punch me in the face, so I stepped to one side and he landed face down in some mud. He did this twice then was unable to stand. His girlfriend thought it was hilarious.

> Here we use what's best for what's being done.
>
> For our multimeadia lab where we use adbobe creative suite we have about 30 iMacs
> as Macs tend to be better for graphics and you'll most likely find that graphic artists tend to prefer Macs.
> For smost non critcal things any old PC will do that's why we have 92 PC's

I think you'll find they both use the same graphics cards.

> You're allowed to choose which computer you want as a memebr of admin, academic or research staff.
> Who also get what they want for use at home.
> Most appear to choose a Macbook air as a general purpose laptop.

I encouraged PCs. Some stuck to Macs, but 3/4s of them changed to PCs when I have the a reasoned argument. Mainly due to price and availability of software.

> But us technicains don;t get a choice we get what the lab uses.
> So I said well since ~1992 I was told I'm the Mac person and supported Mac users.
> Then the head of department said Apple are going out of business because their computers are crap.
> And we all know how badly their businness is going don't we.

It did go badly at one point, just before Jobs I believe. Then he conned everyone into thinking it was great.

> So I opted for any old Mac that was considered to be not usuable, so I was given this ex research student machine,
> complete with software from ~2015, of course after 3 years most PCs are considered worthless and spend most
> of their time being repaired or out of action like the 4 of the 92 PCs in the lab which will be 3 years old in August.
>
> But this 2011 iMac still going, no replacement HD or graphics card or display, or mouse or anything else,
> not had to re-install OS or anything else, just updated the RAM and it's almost 11 years old.
> Given the choice I'd rather have a 11 year old Mac than a 3 year old PC.

As a technician you should have bought what you wanted. I had a £1800 PC. Nice fast graphics for games.... er research.

>> This is the big problem: PCs are made by thousands of different companies.
>
> yes and a big problem for MS and a few students have come to me saying their PC that they bought just before covid hit can't run windows 11 because of some chip incompatability .

I have 7 PCs running it, up to 12 years old. I don't know what the fuck MS are playing at but it doesn't need the TPM security shit they claim. It's only checked during setup. Search for a free program called Rufus. It will create a bootable USB stick which will install or upgrade any Windows PC to windows 11.

>> Macs are made by one. No competition
>
> A distinct advantage their own prosessor too making sure everything works together with dedicated software,
> one size doesn;t fit all does it.

PCs work together just fine. They use agreed standards.

> Nothing wrong with making things people want to buy is there.
> Unless you're a woolworths shopper, suprised ASDA, Lidel, Adli still make a profit.

They don't make their own stuff, they're just resellers, just like every PC manufacturer is.

> I buy some of there stuff but some there's jusy no taste it's cheap stuff not worth buying unless you're really hard up.
> There veggie sausage rolls at £2 taste like cardboard compared to the same type in sainsbury at £2.60
> They may look the same have very similar packaging but.. just not worth it.

Agreed. I use Tesco. They're the only one that makes very tasty high fat cottage cheese. This modern low fat shit tastes like water.

>> your wallet is emptied.
> hardly emptied .

Double the price of a PC!

> But while I have this iMac all the PC's ahve been replaced twice now and they'll need replacing again soon.

Bullshit, they don't wear out any quicker, and they have the same specs as Apples when they're bought. They go out of date at the same time. At the uni we had 12 year old Macs and 12 year old PCs running things, it just depended what they were used for, we just handed them down to projects that needed less processing power.

> ---------------------------------------
> You know what you were saying about RS well yesterday one of our academics wanted a PSU
> for the new power lab, wanted it ASAP couldn't find it cheaper and availible so ordered yesterday midday and it arrived this morning.
> RS 806-7565

Farnell and UK Testing have that but a bit more expensive. But for more common parts, RS always cost too much.

In article <op.1js0aqhfmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>, Commander Kinsey
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

>
> ROFL! Macs used to have to restart to install a printer driver, when PCs did not.

no they didn't.

In article <op.1js0zcjimvhs6z@ryzen.lan>, Commander Kinsey
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

>
> That's supply and demand. Are you saying Apple can't make enough of them?

they can't, given that macs and iphones are often backordered.

the chip shortage is another factor which affects everyone.

On Tuesday, 29 March 2022 at 18:58:34 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 13:40:52 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday, 22 March 2022 at 19:52:50 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 13:26:50 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Monday, 21 March 2022 at 21:51:29 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 21:38:32 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> >> >> > On 21 Mar 2022 at 20:24:25 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 19:12:50 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>> On 21 Mar 2022 at 18:15:54 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 17:28:04 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>>> The file system event is sent to the program to notify it that the name (and
> >> >> >>>>> for a move, the path too) relating to this file handle, has changed. The
> >> >> >>>>> program can handle that asynchronously.
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> If that were true you could rename an open file in windows.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Perhaps you could, in principle. But knowing that they only have to cater for
> >> >> >>> dimwits like you, I imagine they couldn't be arsed. Or maybe some other
> >> >> >>> rubbish aspect of their OS prevents it. Not that they're bothered - they know
> >> >> >>> that dimwits like you have inadequate imagination to challenge that "the
> >> >> >>> computer says no".
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> The dimwits are the ones that keep renaming stuff all the time, while they're in the middle of using it! I tend to spell it correctly in the first place. Go back to school.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I'll pass that wise piece of advice on to those who send me files. I'll tell
> >> >> > them they should have known ahead of time what name I would want to use for
> >> >> > the file.
> >> >>
> >> >> Why don't you rename it before you open it? I simply don't have this problem.
> >> >
> >> > I don't know what it is until I open it and start playing it, if it's a movie.
> >> >
> >> > Someone sent me a CV I found in an email afew years ago, no idea who it was until after I opened it.
> >> > Then I renamed the CV.doc to the name of the person i.e steve-prince CV.doc.
> >> > then closed it.
> >> > I used to send studetns an excel file called order-form, they'd send it back and it was called order-form.
> >> > Imagine have 30+ order-forms , as I opened them I'd then rename them once I knew they contain something valid.
> >> > Now we use google docs and I can rename any file I have open. This is handy when writing help sheets I can change the version number without having to keep opening or close the file.
> >> I just close it to rename, it makes more logical sense.
> >
> > Doesn't seem that way to me.
> Why would I want to change something I'm in the middle of?

Why wouldn't you.

>I wouldn't sell my car and buy a new one while I was driving at 70mph on the motorway. I'd stop first.

Why would you need to stop to sell your car ?
if you have it on ebay or wherever why can;t you be driuving it while someone orders it ?

> >> > As you say can't you get out of your car without turning the engine off. Seems pretty stupid to have to turn the engine off
> >> > whenever you get out of the car.
> >> Have you seen the Americans losing their cars?
> >
> > Haven't look I've seen plenty of them lose their minds.
> Impossible, they have nothing to lose.

On Tuesday, 29 March 2022 at 19:00:20 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 13:47:26 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday, 23 March 2022 at 09:01:03 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 08:25:26 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> >> > On 23 Mar 2022 at 07:59:09 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 21:24:01 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> On 22 Mar 2022 at 19:52:45 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 13:26:50 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> On Monday, 21 March 2022 at 21:51:29 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >>>>>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 21:38:32 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>> On 21 Mar 2022 at 20:24:25 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 19:12:50 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> On 21 Mar 2022 at 18:15:54 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 17:28:04 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee..net> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> The file system event is sent to the program to notify it that the name (and
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> for a move, the path too) relating to this file handle, has changed. The
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> program can handle that asynchronously.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> If that were true you could rename an open file in windows.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> Perhaps you could, in principle. But knowing that they only have to cater for
> >> >>>>>>>>> dimwits like you, I imagine they couldn't be arsed. Or maybe some other
> >> >>>>>>>>> rubbish aspect of their OS prevents it. Not that they're bothered - they know
> >> >>>>>>>>> that dimwits like you have inadequate imagination to challenge that "the
> >> >>>>>>>>> computer says no".
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> The dimwits are the ones that keep renaming stuff all the time, while they're in the middle of using it! I tend to spell it correctly in the first place. Go back to school.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> I'll pass that wise piece of advice on to those who send me files. I'll tell
> >> >>>>>>> them they should have known ahead of time what name I would want to use for
> >> >>>>>>> the file.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Why don't you rename it before you open it? I simply don't have this problem.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> I don't know what it is until I open it and start playing it, if it's a movie.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Someone sent me a CV I found in an email afew years ago, no idea who it was until after I opened it.
> >> >>>>> Then I renamed the CV.doc to the name of the person i.e steve-prince CV.doc.
> >> >>>>> then closed it.
> >> >>>>> I used to send studetns an excel file called order-form, they'd send it back and it was called order-form.
> >> >>>>> Imagine have 30+ order-forms , as I opened them I'd then rename them once I knew they contain something valid.
> >> >>>>> Now we use google docs and I can rename any file I have open. This is handy when writing help sheets I can change the version number without having to keep opening or close the file.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I just close it to rename, it makes more logical sense.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Makes no sense at all. And ask an ordinary person (i.e., one not in thrall to
> >> >>> the mighty computer, so that lets you out) why they should be forced to close
> >> >>> a file before they can rename it, they'd think you were nuts. And they'd be
> >> >>> right.
> >> >>
> >> >> I turn off my car engine before I change parts on it. Adjusting something while it's running is insanity.
> >> >
> >> > I notice you've not managed to give a single reason why renaming or moving an
> >> > open file is a bad idea. It's all been "I don't do it", or "it doesn't make
> >> > sense" or an irrelevant analogy. You really must try harder or we'll just larf
> >> > at you.
> >>
> >> My analogy was sensible. Not ever needing to do it is sensible. If you're so fucking incompetant that you make mistakes all the time and need to rename stuff while you're using it, then I guess the kid's toy is best for you. I'll stick with the machines designed for adults.
> >
> > PC for adults Ha, more kids have PCs than Macs.
>
> Only because their parents have the sense to teach them the more widely used one.

Parents very rarely teach kids about computers it;s normally the other way around.
same with most technology, I bet more 5 year olds know how to use an ipad than 85 year olds.

> >> But please, try to change your car's alternator while the engine is running, and get a friend to video it so I can see the mess.
> >Hardware is differant from software even in a PC or car.
> > My Mac can update software and back up and all while I'm using it.
> I can run a backup while using it, it's called a "shadow copy".

Called Time Machine on a Mac
>
> But you can't update a program which is running. That's completely and utterly illogical.

No you can't and you can update a file on real systems I do it with google sheets.
Even PCs manage that, via sharepoint.

> > Do yuo really need to shutdown and switch off a PC to update the software ?
> ROFL! Macs used to have to restart to install a printer driver, when PCs did not.

PCs couldn't even share a printer on the network, we had 15 macs sharing 2 prinbters
years before the PCs could do it. I remmber having to make up switch boxes so you could manually switch the printer from one PC to the other.

On Tuesday, 29 March 2022 at 19:15:05 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 13:49:03 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday, 23 March 2022 at 11:57:28 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 11:52:47 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> >> > On 23 Mar 2022 at 09:00:57 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I'll stick with the machines designed for adults.
> >> >
> >> > Now we'll *really* larf at you. "Designed", you say? That's a joke right
> >> > there. "adults" - that's even funnier.
> >>
> >> There's a reason Macs aren't the most popular computer.
> >
> > There's a reason why there's dog shit on the pavement but no gold nuggets left.
> That's supply and demand. Are you saying Apple can't make enough of them?
There does seem to be a shortage of iPads in the UK for the last 6 months,
I think it's because of the graphic chips in short supply due to covid, as the makers shut down
for quite a while. I order stuff for students and there is a shortage of some items.
I've never seen shortages of hall effect sensors with a delivery date on july 2023, plus other stuff
has long delivery dates. This is because they make things in batches then move on to the next product,
not only that the raw materials are in short supply due to HGV driver shortages.

On Tuesday, 29 March 2022 at 19:43:15 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 15:18:56 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday, 23 March 2022 at 12:18:54 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 12:10:10 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> >> > On 23 Mar 2022 at 11:57:25 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 11:52:47 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> On 23 Mar 2022 at 09:00:57 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> I'll stick with the machines designed for adults.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Now we'll *really* larf at you. "Designed", you say? That's a joke right
> >> >>> there. "adults" - that's even funnier.
> >> >>
> >> >> There's a reason Macs aren't the most popular computer.
> >> >
> >> > And you haven't figured out what it is. And see my sig below.
> >>
> >> Bullshit in the extreme. Customers choose what's best value. Macs aren't.
> >
> > What is best value to one person doesn't have to be best value to another.
> Performance, calculations per second, versus money. Very simple.

I'ts no where near that simple if you think about it.
If the software is crap or bloated then alla fast processor will do is provide you with a nice heater.

> > I can't drink bells or teachers (well not easily) my prefered standard whisky is Grants but it is more expensive.
> > I have a 1 litre bottle of the 50% but don't like it.
> > My prefered whisky is Isle of Jura , so you're telling me that Bells is a better whisky than Isle of Jura because it;s cheaper.
> I drink alcohol for the amount of alcohol, I can always add mixers. Just as if a PC is more powerful but has less bells and whistles, I just install some software.

Shows you how little you understand then.

> > Well to get drunk quickly my prefereed drink was thunderbird wine .
> > In a pub it was snakebite & black, or hairy chest (PiLs + blackcurrent + vodka)
> When I was a young teenager, me and a friend both had a bottle of white lightning each on a camping trip.

My ex flatemates favourite tipple, she drank 3 cans in an evening, poor girl died at 42 years old enlarged heart or something.
Not saying that was the cause but I don't think it helped.

>Some kind of high alcohol stuff I got in a shop with a fake ID. His girlfriend was also with us, who refused to drink anything. I felt happy and tipsy, yet he got blind drunk, even though he was two or three times my physical size (he did a lot of weightlifting). I said something about his girlfriend (I think I said she was cute), and he lost his temper. He tried to punch me in the face, so I stepped to one side and he landed face down in some mud. He did this twice then was unable to stand. His girlfriend thought it was hilarious.
> > Here we use what's best for what's being done.
> >
> > For our multimeadia lab where we use adbobe creative suite we have about 30 iMacs
> > as Macs tend to be better for graphics and you'll most likely find that graphic artists tend to prefer Macs.
> > For smost non critcal things any old PC will do that's why we have 92 PC's
> I think you'll find they both use the same graphics cards.

it's the software too.

> > You're allowed to choose which computer you want as a memebr of admin, academic or research staff.
> > Who also get what they want for use at home.
> > Most appear to choose a Macbook air as a general purpose laptop.
> I encouraged PCs. Some stuck to Macs, but 3/4s of them changed to PCs when I have the a reasoned argument. Mainly due to price and availability of software.

That is true but I don't think you can get final cut pro on a PC or logic pro.
Adobe creative suite is now a sunscription packge Mac & PC.

> > But us technicains don;t get a choice we get what the lab uses.
> > So I said well since ~1992 I was told I'm the Mac person and supported Mac users.
> > Then the head of department said Apple are going out of business because their computers are crap.
> > And we all know how badly their businness is going don't we.
> It did go badly at one point, just before Jobs I believe. Then he conned everyone into thinking it was great.

Because it was.

> > So I opted for any old Mac that was considered to be not usuable, so I was given this ex research student machine,
> > complete with software from ~2015, of course after 3 years most PCs are considered worthless and spend most
> > of their time being repaired or out of action like the 4 of the 92 PCs in the lab which will be 3 years old in August.
> >
> > But this 2011 iMac still going, no replacement HD or graphics card or display, or mouse or anything else,
> > not had to re-install OS or anything else, just updated the RAM and it's almost 11 years old.
> > Given the choice I'd rather have a 11 year old Mac than a 3 year old PC..
> As a technician you should have bought what you wanted. I had a £1800 PC. Nice fast graphics for games.... er research.

Being a technician I can do things on either mac or PC.
I just don;t like wondows much.

> >> This is the big problem: PCs are made by thousands of different companies.
> >
> > yes and a big problem for MS and a few students have come to me saying their PC that they bought just before covid hit can't run windows 11 because of some chip incompatability .
> I have 7 PCs running it, up to 12 years old. I don't know what the fuck MS are playing at but it doesn't need the TPM security shit they claim. It's only checked during setup. Search for a free program called Rufus. It will create a bootable USB stick which will install or upgrade any Windows PC to windows 11.

Not my problem . I'm not sure whether the software we have will run under W11 took a whiloe to get it all running under W10

> >> Macs are made by one. No competition
> >
> > A distinct advantage their own prosessor too making sure everything works together with dedicated software,
> > one size doesn;t fit all does it.
> PCs work together just fine. They use agreed standards.

which aren't always followed. there's always differncies between which processor is used ITEL, AMD etc..

> > Nothing wrong with making things people want to buy is there.
> > Unless you're a woolworths shopper, suprised ASDA, Lidel, Adli still make a profit.
> They don't make their own stuff, they're just resellers, just like every PC manufacturer is.

Yep.

> > I buy some of there stuff but some there's jusy no taste it's cheap stuff not worth buying unless you're really hard up.
> > There veggie sausage rolls at £2 taste like cardboard compared to the same type in sainsbury at £2.60
> > They may look the same have very similar packaging but.. just not worth it.
> Agreed. I use Tesco. They're the only one that makes very tasty high fat cottage cheese. This modern low fat shit tastes like water.
> >> your wallet is emptied.
> > hardly emptied .
> Double the price of a PC!

Because they are worth twice as much.
The displays on Macs are far better than the displays on most PC's it's why they are cheaper.

Put them side by side watch a movie compare the skin tones and everything else
some such as photograhers care about.

It's like me after the pub a kebab is great best thing ever but I can't eat them unless drunk or at least tipsy.

> > But while I have this iMac all the PC's ahve been replaced twice now and they'll need replacing again soon.
> Bullshit, they don't wear out any quicker, and they have the same specs as Apples when they're bought.

They don't have the same specs, there's far more too it than the hight the GBs and GHz to it.

Same with % alachol.
40% vodka and 40% whisky aren't the same.

You can;lt tell me all whiskies are the same whether it's glenfiddich or jack daniels.

> They go out of date at the same time. At the uni we had 12 year old Macs and 12 year old PCs running things, it just depended what they were used for, we just handed them down to projects that needed less processing power.

We do the same that's why I have a Mac but academics get what they choose as they can pay for them from research grants.

> > ---------------------------------------
> > You know what you were saying about RS well yesterday one of our academics wanted a PSU
> > for the new power lab, wanted it ASAP couldn't find it cheaper and availible so ordered yesterday midday and it arrived this morning.
> > RS 806-7565
> Farnell and UK Testing have that but a bit more expensive. But for more common parts, RS always cost too much.

On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 15:37:50 +0100, whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tuesday, 29 March 2022 at 18:58:34 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 13:40:52 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Tuesday, 22 March 2022 at 19:52:50 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 13:26:50 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Monday, 21 March 2022 at 21:51:29 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 21:38:32 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
>> >> >> > On 21 Mar 2022 at 20:24:25 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 19:12:50 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>> On 21 Mar 2022 at 18:15:54 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 17:28:04 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>>> The file system event is sent to the program to notify it that the name (and
>> >> >> >>>>> for a move, the path too) relating to this file handle, has changed. The
>> >> >> >>>>> program can handle that asynchronously.
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>> If that were true you could rename an open file in windows.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> Perhaps you could, in principle. But knowing that they only have to cater for
>> >> >> >>> dimwits like you, I imagine they couldn't be arsed. Or maybe some other
>> >> >> >>> rubbish aspect of their OS prevents it. Not that they're bothered - they know
>> >> >> >>> that dimwits like you have inadequate imagination to challenge that "the
>> >> >> >>> computer says no".
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> The dimwits are the ones that keep renaming stuff all the time, while they're in the middle of using it! I tend to spell it correctly in the first place. Go back to school.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I'll pass that wise piece of advice on to those who send me files. I'll tell
>> >> >> > them they should have known ahead of time what name I would want to use for
>> >> >> > the file.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Why don't you rename it before you open it? I simply don't have this problem.
>> >> >
>> >> > I don't know what it is until I open it and start playing it, if it's a movie.
>> >> >
>> >> > Someone sent me a CV I found in an email afew years ago, no idea who it was until after I opened it.
>> >> > Then I renamed the CV.doc to the name of the person i.e steve-prince CV.doc.
>> >> > then closed it.
>> >> > I used to send studetns an excel file called order-form, they'd send it back and it was called order-form.
>> >> > Imagine have 30+ order-forms , as I opened them I'd then rename them once I knew they contain something valid.
>> >> > Now we use google docs and I can rename any file I have open. This is handy when writing help sheets I can change the version number without having to keep opening or close the file.
>> >> I just close it to rename, it makes more logical sense.
>> >
>> > Doesn't seem that way to me.
>> Why would I want to change something I'm in the middle of?
>
> Why wouldn't you.

The explanation is on the next line if you would cease interrupting.

>> I wouldn't sell my car and buy a new one while I was driving at 70mph on the motorway. I'd stop first.
>
> Why would you need to stop to sell your car ?
> if you have it on ebay or wherever why can;t you be driuving it while someone orders it ?

And I'd hand it over to him on the move would I? Just jump into another one?

On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 15:49:34 +0100, whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tuesday, 29 March 2022 at 19:00:20 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 13:47:26 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Wednesday, 23 March 2022 at 09:01:03 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 08:25:26 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
>> >> > On 23 Mar 2022 at 07:59:09 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 21:24:01 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> On 22 Mar 2022 at 19:52:45 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 13:26:50 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>> On Monday, 21 March 2022 at 21:51:29 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >>>>>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 21:38:32 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>> On 21 Mar 2022 at 20:24:25 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 19:12:50 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> On 21 Mar 2022 at 18:15:54 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 17:28:04 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> The file system event is sent to the program to notify it that the name (and
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> for a move, the path too) relating to this file handle, has changed. The
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> program can handle that asynchronously.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> If that were true you could rename an open file in windows.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> Perhaps you could, in principle. But knowing that they only have to cater for
>> >> >>>>>>>>> dimwits like you, I imagine they couldn't be arsed. Or maybe some other
>> >> >>>>>>>>> rubbish aspect of their OS prevents it. Not that they're bothered - they know
>> >> >>>>>>>>> that dimwits like you have inadequate imagination to challenge that "the
>> >> >>>>>>>>> computer says no".
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> The dimwits are the ones that keep renaming stuff all the time, while they're in the middle of using it! I tend to spell it correctly in the first place. Go back to school.
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> I'll pass that wise piece of advice on to those who send me files. I'll tell
>> >> >>>>>>> them they should have known ahead of time what name I would want to use for
>> >> >>>>>>> the file.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> Why don't you rename it before you open it? I simply don't have this problem.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> I don't know what it is until I open it and start playing it, if it's a movie.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Someone sent me a CV I found in an email afew years ago, no idea who it was until after I opened it.
>> >> >>>>> Then I renamed the CV.doc to the name of the person i.e steve-prince CV.doc.
>> >> >>>>> then closed it.
>> >> >>>>> I used to send studetns an excel file called order-form, they'd send it back and it was called order-form.
>> >> >>>>> Imagine have 30+ order-forms , as I opened them I'd then rename them once I knew they contain something valid.
>> >> >>>>> Now we use google docs and I can rename any file I have open. This is handy when writing help sheets I can change the version number without having to keep opening or close the file.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> I just close it to rename, it makes more logical sense.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Makes no sense at all. And ask an ordinary person (i.e., one not in thrall to
>> >> >>> the mighty computer, so that lets you out) why they should be forced to close
>> >> >>> a file before they can rename it, they'd think you were nuts. And they'd be
>> >> >>> right.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I turn off my car engine before I change parts on it. Adjusting something while it's running is insanity.
>> >> >
>> >> > I notice you've not managed to give a single reason why renaming or moving an
>> >> > open file is a bad idea. It's all been "I don't do it", or "it doesn't make
>> >> > sense" or an irrelevant analogy. You really must try harder or we'll just larf
>> >> > at you.
>> >>
>> >> My analogy was sensible. Not ever needing to do it is sensible. If you're so fucking incompetant that you make mistakes all the time and need to rename stuff while you're using it, then I guess the kid's toy is best for you. I'll stick with the machines designed for adults.
>> >
>> > PC for adults Ha, more kids have PCs than Macs.
>>
>> Only because their parents have the sense to teach them the more widely used one.
>
> Parents very rarely teach kids about computers it;s normally the other way around.

Maybe, but the parent decides what to buy.

> same with most technology, I bet more 5 year olds know how to use an ipad than 85 year olds.

That's because Ipads are designed for kids.

>> >> But please, try to change your car's alternator while the engine is running, and get a friend to video it so I can see the mess.
>> >Hardware is differant from software even in a PC or car.
>> > My Mac can update software and back up and all while I'm using it.
>> I can run a backup while using it, it's called a "shadow copy".
>
> Called Time Machine on a Mac

It would have a silly childish name wouldn't it. Finder, chooser, OMG!

>> But you can't update a program which is running. That's completely and utterly illogical.
>
> No you can't and you can update a file on real systems I do it with google sheets.
> Even PCs manage that, via sharepoint.

Can't or can, make up your mind.

>> > Do yuo really need to shutdown and switch off a PC to update the software ?
>> ROFL! Macs used to have to restart to install a printer driver, when PCs did not.
>
> PCs couldn't even share a printer on the network, we had 15 macs sharing 2 prinbters
> years before the PCs could do it. I remmber having to make up switch boxes so you could manually switch the printer from one PC to the other.

We had a dot matrix shared on 286 PCs on Windows 2. Fastest dot matrix you've never seen, shook the desk. A3 bidirectional Brother. The head made 4 passes per second.

On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 15:57:53 +0100, whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tuesday, 29 March 2022 at 19:15:05 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 13:49:03 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Wednesday, 23 March 2022 at 11:57:28 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 11:52:47 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
>> >> > On 23 Mar 2022 at 09:00:57 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> I'll stick with the machines designed for adults.
>> >> >
>> >> > Now we'll *really* larf at you. "Designed", you say? That's a joke right
>> >> > there. "adults" - that's even funnier.
>> >>
>> >> There's a reason Macs aren't the most popular computer.
>> >
>> > There's a reason why there's dog shit on the pavement but no gold nuggets left.
>> That's supply and demand. Are you saying Apple can't make enough of them?
>There does seem to be a shortage of iPads in the UK for the last 6 months,
> I think it's because of the graphic chips in short supply due to covid, as the makers shut down
> for quite a while. I order stuff for students and there is a shortage of some items.
> I've never seen shortages of hall effect sensors with a delivery date on july 2023, plus other stuff
> has long delivery dates. This is because they make things in batches then move on to the next product,
> not only that the raw materials are in short supply due to HGV driver shortages.

I was told graphic chips was due to bitcoin miners, but that doesn't make sense, since bitcoins have been going for years.

Covid didn't cause many problems, the senseless worry about it did.

There cannot be a shortage of drivers, just bump up the wage and you'll get them.

On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 16:34:13 +0100, whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tuesday, 29 March 2022 at 19:43:15 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 15:18:56 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Wednesday, 23 March 2022 at 12:18:54 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 12:10:10 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
>> >> > On 23 Mar 2022 at 11:57:25 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 11:52:47 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> On 23 Mar 2022 at 09:00:57 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> I'll stick with the machines designed for adults.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Now we'll *really* larf at you. "Designed", you say? That's a joke right
>> >> >>> there. "adults" - that's even funnier.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> There's a reason Macs aren't the most popular computer.
>> >> >
>> >> > And you haven't figured out what it is. And see my sig below.
>> >>
>> >> Bullshit in the extreme. Customers choose what's best value. Macs aren't.
>> >
>> > What is best value to one person doesn't have to be best value to another.
>> Performance, calculations per second, versus money. Very simple.
>
> I'ts no where near that simple if you think about it.
> If the software is crap or bloated then alla fast processor will do is provide you with a nice heater.

Software will be better for something more widespread. More customers, more competition.

>> > I can't drink bells or teachers (well not easily) my prefered standard whisky is Grants but it is more expensive.
>> > I have a 1 litre bottle of the 50% but don't like it.
>> > My prefered whisky is Isle of Jura , so you're telling me that Bells is a better whisky than Isle of Jura because it;s cheaper.
>> I drink alcohol for the amount of alcohol, I can always add mixers. Just as if a PC is more powerful but has less bells and whistles, I just install some software.
>
> Shows you how little you understand then.

About alcohol? It's a simple chemical, ethanol, that's what give you the effect.

>> > Well to get drunk quickly my prefereed drink was thunderbird wine .
>> > In a pub it was snakebite & black, or hairy chest (PiLs + blackcurrent + vodka)
>> When I was a young teenager, me and a friend both had a bottle of white lightning each on a camping trip.
>
> My ex flatemates favourite tipple, she drank 3 cans in an evening, poor girl died at 42 years old enlarged heart or something.
> Not saying that was the cause but I don't think it helped.

I've never heard of heart trouble from alcohol, I thought it always went for the liver? My ex's brother got blind drunk every night, he needed a liver transplant at 30.

>> > You're allowed to choose which computer you want as a memebr of admin, academic or research staff.
>> > Who also get what they want for use at home.
>> > Most appear to choose a Macbook air as a general purpose laptop.
>> I encouraged PCs. Some stuck to Macs, but 3/4s of them changed to PCs when I have the a reasoned argument. Mainly due to price and availability of software.
>
> That is true but I don't think you can get final cut pro on a PC or logic pro.

There will be something similar.

We got loads of PCs because Autodesk Inventor wasn't on the Mac. Fucking brilliant program for designing stuff.

> Adobe creative suite is now a sunscription packge Mac & PC.

Adobe is available on both, but it's overpriced shit.

>> > But us technicains don;t get a choice we get what the lab uses.
>> > So I said well since ~1992 I was told I'm the Mac person and supported Mac users.
>> > Then the head of department said Apple are going out of business because their computers are crap.
>> > And we all know how badly their businness is going don't we.
>> It did go badly at one point, just before Jobs I believe. Then he conned everyone into thinking it was great.
>
> Because it was.

You sound like a religious nut.

>> > So I opted for any old Mac that was considered to be not usuable, so I was given this ex research student machine,
>> > complete with software from ~2015, of course after 3 years most PCs are considered worthless and spend most
>> > of their time being repaired or out of action like the 4 of the 92 PCs in the lab which will be 3 years old in August.
>> >
>> > But this 2011 iMac still going, no replacement HD or graphics card or display, or mouse or anything else,
>> > not had to re-install OS or anything else, just updated the RAM and it's almost 11 years old.
>> > Given the choice I'd rather have a 11 year old Mac than a 3 year old PC.
>> As a technician you should have bought what you wanted. I had a £1800 PC. Nice fast graphics for games.... er research.
>
> Being a technician I can do things on either mac or PC.
> I just don;t like wondows much.

I can do things on both, I just use more swearwords on a Mac.

>> >> This is the big problem: PCs are made by thousands of different companies.
>> >
>> > yes and a big problem for MS and a few students have come to me saying their PC that they bought just before covid hit can't run windows 11 because of some chip incompatability .
>> I have 7 PCs running it, up to 12 years old. I don't know what the fuck MS are playing at but it doesn't need the TPM security shit they claim. It's only checked during setup. Search for a free program called Rufus. It will create a bootable USB stick which will install or upgrade any Windows PC to windows 11.
>
> Not my problem . I'm not sure whether the software we have will run under W11 took a whiloe to get it all running under W10

It will. Windows 11 is really 10.0.2. Same drivers and software works precisely the same.

>> >> Macs are made by one. No competition
>> >
>> > A distinct advantage their own prosessor too making sure everything works together with dedicated software,
>> > one size doesn;t fit all does it.
>> PCs work together just fine. They use agreed standards.
>
> which aren't always followed. there's always differncies between which processor is used ITEL, AMD etc..

Intel and AMD actually have an agreement to keep the processor instructions compatible.

>> > Nothing wrong with making things people want to buy is there.
>> > Unless you're a woolworths shopper, suprised ASDA, Lidel, Adli still make a profit.
>> They don't make their own stuff, they're just resellers, just like every PC manufacturer is.
>
> Yep.
>
>> > I buy some of there stuff but some there's jusy no taste it's cheap stuff not worth buying unless you're really hard up.
>> > There veggie sausage rolls at £2 taste like cardboard compared to the same type in sainsbury at £2.60
>> > They may look the same have very similar packaging but.. just not worth it.
>> Agreed. I use Tesco. They're the only one that makes very tasty high fat cottage cheese. This modern low fat shit tastes like water.
>> >> your wallet is emptied.
>> > hardly emptied .
>> Double the price of a PC!
>
> Because they are worth twice as much.
> The displays on Macs are far better than the displays on most PC's it's why they are cheaper.
>
> Put them side by side watch a movie compare the skin tones and everything else
> some such as photograhers care about.
>
> It's like me after the pub a kebab is great best thing ever but I can't eat them unless drunk or at least tipsy.

A display is not the computer. I'm free to use an Apple display on a PC or a PC display on a Mac. I did both quite often actually.

>> > But while I have this iMac all the PC's ahve been replaced twice now and they'll need replacing again soon.
>> Bullshit, they don't wear out any quicker, and they have the same specs as Apples when they're bought.
>
> They don't have the same specs, there's far more too it than the hight the GBs and GHz to it.
>
> Same with % alachol.
> 40% vodka and 40% whisky aren't the same.
>
> You can;lt tell me all whiskies are the same whether it's glenfiddich or jack daniels.

Why consider flavour and % together? Get lots of % then add flavour.

>> They go out of date at the same time. At the uni we had 12 year old Macs and 12 year old PCs running things, it just depended what they were used for, we just handed them down to projects that needed less processing power.
>
> We do the same that's why I have a Mac but academics get what they choose as they can pay for them from research grants.

On Thursday, 31 March 2022 at 22:58:41 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 15:37:50 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday, 29 March 2022 at 18:58:34 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 13:40:52 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Tuesday, 22 March 2022 at 19:52:50 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 13:26:50 -0000, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > On Monday, 21 March 2022 at 21:51:29 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >> >> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 21:38:32 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> > On 21 Mar 2022 at 20:24:25 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 19:12:50 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>> On 21 Mar 2022 at 18:15:54 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 17:28:04 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>>> The file system event is sent to the program to notify it that the name (and
> >> >> >> >>>>> for a move, the path too) relating to this file handle, has changed. The
> >> >> >> >>>>> program can handle that asynchronously.
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>> If that were true you could rename an open file in windows.
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> Perhaps you could, in principle. But knowing that they only have to cater for
> >> >> >> >>> dimwits like you, I imagine they couldn't be arsed. Or maybe some other
> >> >> >> >>> rubbish aspect of their OS prevents it. Not that they're bothered - they know
> >> >> >> >>> that dimwits like you have inadequate imagination to challenge that "the
> >> >> >> >>> computer says no".
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> The dimwits are the ones that keep renaming stuff all the time, while they're in the middle of using it! I tend to spell it correctly in the first place. Go back to school.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I'll pass that wise piece of advice on to those who send me files. I'll tell
> >> >> >> > them they should have known ahead of time what name I would want to use for
> >> >> >> > the file.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Why don't you rename it before you open it? I simply don't have this problem.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I don't know what it is until I open it and start playing it, if it's a movie.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Someone sent me a CV I found in an email afew years ago, no idea who it was until after I opened it.
> >> >> > Then I renamed the CV.doc to the name of the person i.e steve-prince CV.doc.
> >> >> > then closed it.
> >> >> > I used to send studetns an excel file called order-form, they'd send it back and it was called order-form.
> >> >> > Imagine have 30+ order-forms , as I opened them I'd then rename them once I knew they contain something valid.
> >> >> > Now we use google docs and I can rename any file I have open. This is handy when writing help sheets I can change the version number without having to keep opening or close the file.
> >> >> I just close it to rename, it makes more logical sense.
> >> >
> >> > Doesn't seem that way to me.
> >> Why would I want to change something I'm in the middle of?
> >
> > Why wouldn't you.
> The explanation is on the next line if you would cease interrupting.
> >> I wouldn't sell my car and buy a new one while I was driving at 70mph on the motorway. I'd stop first.
> >
> > Why would you need to stop to sell your car ?
> > if you have it on ebay or wherever why can;t you be driuving it while someone orders it ?
> And I'd hand it over to him on the move would I? Just jump into another one?

Surely you can buy a car while it's being used by the current owner.

I change the names of document quite often when they are still open, it;s the logical way to add version numbers
as you go withotu having to quite the document or the app.
Maybe with a PC yuo have to shutdown and leave the house too before going back in and restarting then
opening the app then the document again seems a strange way of going aboat things

On Friday, 1 April 2022 at 00:10:23 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 15:57:53 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday, 29 March 2022 at 19:15:05 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 13:49:03 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Wednesday, 23 March 2022 at 11:57:28 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >> On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 11:52:47 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> >> >> > On 23 Mar 2022 at 09:00:57 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> I'll stick with the machines designed for adults.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Now we'll *really* larf at you. "Designed", you say? That's a joke right
> >> >> > there. "adults" - that's even funnier.
> >> >>
> >> >> There's a reason Macs aren't the most popular computer.
> >> >
> >> > There's a reason why there's dog shit on the pavement but no gold nuggets left.
> >> That's supply and demand. Are you saying Apple can't make enough of them?
> >There does seem to be a shortage of iPads in the UK for the last 6 months,
> > I think it's because of the graphic chips in short supply due to covid, as the makers shut down
> > for quite a while. I order stuff for students and there is a shortage of some items.
> > I've never seen shortages of hall effect sensors with a delivery date on july 2023, plus other stuff
> > has long delivery dates. This is because they make things in batches then move on to the next product,
> > not only that the raw materials are in short supply due to HGV driver shortages.
> I was told graphic chips was due to bitcoin miners,

who told you that , but does it matter if miners are buying up all the chiops then that is causing the shortage.

>but that doesn't make sense, since bitcoins have been going for years.

yes and with electricity prices going up that puts up the cost of mining.

>
> Covid didn't cause many problems, the senseless worry about it did.

Same differnce .
Unfortunantly someone had to protect the stupid from themselves.

>
> There cannot be a shortage of drivers, just bump up the wage and you'll get them.

After at least the 8 weeks trainging but first you'll have to tempt them from going to univ
were they can bum about for a few years doing very little.

On 01 Apr 2022 at 16:20:01 BST, whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thursday, 31 March 2022 at 22:58:41 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:

>> And I'd hand it over to him on the move would I? Just jump into another one?
>
> Surely you can buy a car while it's being used by the current owner.
>
> I change the names of document quite often when they are still open, it;s the logical way to add version numbers
> as you go withotu having to quite the document or the app.
> Maybe with a PC yuo have to shutdown and leave the house too before going back in and restarting then
> opening the app then the document again seems a strange way of going aboat things

All of Kinsey's analogies are wrong. He somehow seems to think that the
directory entry for a file is in the file itself. Hence his irrelavent analogy
of "changing the engine while it is running". Well if it were in the file,
then it would certainly dangerous to rename it while open. He's not grasped
that when you open a file, you are returned a file handle and that all
operations on the file are done using that handle. Meanwhile the directory is
elsewhere and completely separate. Therefore changing a directory entry is
totally safe.

In unix you can even delete a file that is open. The file won't actually be
deleted until its use count goes to zero, that is, until all readers/writer
have closed their file handles.

--
Tim

TimS wrote:

[snip]

> In unix you can even delete a file that is open. The file won't actually be
> deleted until its use count goes to zero, that is, until all readers/writer
> have closed their file handles.

But deleting the part of the filesystem that your current profile points
to can cause problems; akin to sitting on the the branch of the tree
that you are cutting off.

--
Graham J

On Friday, 1 April 2022 at 00:18:24 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 16:34:13 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday, 29 March 2022 at 19:43:15 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 15:18:56 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Wednesday, 23 March 2022 at 12:18:54 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >> On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 12:10:10 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> >> >> > On 23 Mar 2022 at 11:57:25 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 11:52:47 -0000, TimS <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>> On 23 Mar 2022 at 09:00:57 GMT, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam..com> wrote:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>> I'll stick with the machines designed for adults.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Now we'll *really* larf at you. "Designed", you say? That's a joke right
> >> >> >>> there. "adults" - that's even funnier.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> There's a reason Macs aren't the most popular computer.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > And you haven't figured out what it is. And see my sig below.
> >> >>
> >> >> Bullshit in the extreme. Customers choose what's best value. Macs aren't.
> >> >
> >> > What is best value to one person doesn't have to be best value to another.
> >> Performance, calculations per second, versus money. Very simple.
> >
> > I'ts no where near that simple if you think about it.
> > If the software is crap or bloated then alla fast processor will do is provide you with a nice heater.
> Software will be better for something more widespread. More customers, more competition.

yeah sure so McD's is the best resturant .
Best clothes .. Tescos
sainsbury blended scotch best whisky there is ..

> >> > I can't drink bells or teachers (well not easily) my prefered standard whisky is Grants but it is more expensive.
> >> > I have a 1 litre bottle of the 50% but don't like it.
> >> > My prefered whisky is Isle of Jura , so you're telling me that Bells is a better whisky than Isle of Jura because it;s cheaper.
> >> I drink alcohol for the amount of alcohol, I can always add mixers. Just as if a PC is more powerful but has less bells and whistles, I just install some software.
> >
> > Shows you how little you understand then.
> About alcohol? It's a simple chemical, ethanol, that's what give you the effect.

There's taste too, you can get drunk on meths .

> >> > Well to get drunk quickly my prefereed drink was thunderbird wine .
> >> > In a pub it was snakebite & black, or hairy chest (PiLs + blackcurrent + vodka)
> >> When I was a young teenager, me and a friend both had a bottle of white lightning each on a camping trip.
> >
> > My ex flatemates favourite tipple, she drank 3 cans in an evening, poor girl died at 42 years old enlarged heart or something.
> > Not saying that was the cause but I don't think it helped.
> I've never heard of heart trouble from alcohol,

Excessive alcohol intake can lead to high blood pressure, heart failure or stroke. Excessive drinking can also contribute to cardiomyopathy, a disorder that affects the heart muscle. What's more, alcohol can contribute to obesity and the long list of health problems that can go along with it.

>I thought it always went for the liver? My ex's brother got blind drunk every night, he needed a liver transplant at 30.
> >> > You're allowed to choose which computer you want as a memebr of admin, academic or research staff.
> >> > Who also get what they want for use at home.
> >> > Most appear to choose a Macbook air as a general purpose laptop.
> >> I encouraged PCs. Some stuck to Macs, but 3/4s of them changed to PCs when I have the a reasoned argument. Mainly due to price and availability of software.

Depends what they are doing. Most artists, music, film video prefer Mac , due to higher quality displays as standard and less latancy with audio.

> >
> > That is true but I don't think you can get final cut pro on a PC or logic pro.
> There will be something similar.

There is but not the same.
Just like all sotfware ther;e very similar stuff to word and excel and that is google docs.

>
> We got loads of PCs because Autodesk Inventor wasn't on the Mac.

You can runn it on a Mac under emulation.

Fucking brilliant program for designing stuff.
> > Adobe creative suite is now a sunscription packge Mac & PC.
> Adobe is available on both, but it's overpriced shit.

It works and lots seem to resonabley happy with it.

> >> > But us technicains don;t get a choice we get what the lab uses.
> >> > So I said well since ~1992 I was told I'm the Mac person and supported Mac users.
> >> > Then the head of department said Apple are going out of business because their computers are crap.
> >> > And we all know how badly their businness is going don't we.
> >> It did go badly at one point, just before Jobs I believe. Then he conned everyone into thinking it was great.
> >
> > Because it was.
> You sound like a religious nut.

Nah, I just prefer the Mac OS and the hardware that's all.

> >> > So I opted for any old Mac that was considered to be not usuable, so I was given this ex research student machine,
> >> > complete with software from ~2015, of course after 3 years most PCs are considered worthless and spend most
> >> > of their time being repaired or out of action like the 4 of the 92 PCs in the lab which will be 3 years old in August.
> >> >
> >> > But this 2011 iMac still going, no replacement HD or graphics card or display, or mouse or anything else,
> >> > not had to re-install OS or anything else, just updated the RAM and it's almost 11 years old.
> >> > Given the choice I'd rather have a 11 year old Mac than a 3 year old PC.
> >> As a technician you should have bought what you wanted. I had a £1800 PC. Nice fast graphics for games.... er research.
> >
> > Being a technician I can do things on either mac or PC.
> > I just don;t like wondows much.
> I can do things on both, I just use more swearwords on a Mac.
> >> >> This is the big problem: PCs are made by thousands of different companies.
> >> >
> >> > yes and a big problem for MS and a few students have come to me saying their PC that they bought just before covid hit can't run windows 11 because of some chip incompatability .
> >> I have 7 PCs running it, up to 12 years old. I don't know what the fuck MS are playing at but it doesn't need the TPM security shit they claim. It's only checked during setup. Search for a free program called Rufus. It will create a bootable USB stick which will install or upgrade any Windows PC to windows 11.
> >
> > Not my problem . I'm not sure whether the software we have will run under W11 took a whiloe to get it all running under W10
> It will. Windows 11 is really 10.0.2. Same drivers and software works precisely the same.
> >> >> Macs are made by one. No competition
> >> >
> >> > A distinct advantage their own prosessor too making sure everything works together with dedicated software,
> >> > one size doesn;t fit all does it.
> >> PCs work together just fine. They use agreed standards.
> >
> > which aren't always followed. there's always differncies between which processor is used ITEL, AMD etc..
> Intel and AMD actually have an agreement to keep the processor instructions compatible.

yeah sure they do, think you're getting comfused with RISC and ARM.

> >> > Nothing wrong with making things people want to buy is there.
> >> > Unless you're a woolworths shopper, suprised ASDA, Lidel, Adli still make a profit.
> >> They don't make their own stuff, they're just resellers, just like every PC manufacturer is.
> >
> > Yep.
> >
> >> > I buy some of there stuff but some there's jusy no taste it's cheap stuff not worth buying unless you're really hard up.
> >> > There veggie sausage rolls at £2 taste like cardboard compared to the same type in sainsbury at £2.60
> >> > They may look the same have very similar packaging but.. just not worth it.
> >> Agreed. I use Tesco. They're the only one that makes very tasty high fat cottage cheese. This modern low fat shit tastes like water.
> >> >> your wallet is emptied.
> >> > hardly emptied .
> >> Double the price of a PC!
> >
> > Because they are worth twice as much.
> > The displays on Macs are far better than the displays on most PC's it's why they are cheaper.
> >
> > Put them side by side watch a movie compare the skin tones and everything else
> > some such as photograhers care about.
> >
> > It's like me after the pub a kebab is great best thing ever but I can't eat them unless drunk or at least tipsy.
> A display is not the computer. I'm free to use an Apple display on a PC or a PC display on a Mac.

On 01 Apr 2022 at 17:01:55 BST, whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Friday, 1 April 2022 at 00:18:24 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:

>> We got loads of PCs because Autodesk Inventor wasn't on the Mac.
>
> You can run it on a Mac under emulation.

Not even emulation. Just use a VM. I use VirtualBox on my Mac to run Win7,
Win10, and a Linux flavour for testing my software (OTOH, I have a real Pi for
testing).