On Fri, 13 Jan 2023 11:51:35 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 1/13/2023 8:15 AM, Tim R wrote:
>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 11:06:07 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> With three weeks of rain I am again up to 200 lbs due to sheer boredom.
>>>
>>> How do you recover from winters?
>>
>> Winter seems to add weight if you're not careful regardless of exercise, I'm not sure why.
>>
>> My strategy is to weigh every morning and never have it sneak up on me. If I start creeping up I eat a little less. I dropped 50 pounds to get to goal weight and have kept it stable 4 years now.
>
>That's my plan as well. It works for me.
>
>I'm about ten pounds over my college age weight. Sadly, I'm sure more of
>those pounds are now fat instead of muscle. But when I got to about 17
>pounds above college weight, I not only weighed myself daily, I plotted
>it. For some reason, having a graph motivated me. It was satisfying to
>see the plot slope downward.

The official weight on my football stats was 212. I worked my weight
up to about 230 in the years following college by weightlifting, which
was about what I was when the infamous picture was taken with my wife
in Mexico.

I was 202 this morning, a couple lbs lighter because of yesterday's
bike ride.

On Fri, 13 Jan 2023 09:02:25 -0500, Catrike Rider
<soloman@drafting.not> wrote:

>On Fri, 13 Jan 2023 05:15:48 -0800 (PST), Tim R
><timothy42bach@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 11:06:07 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> With three weeks of rain I am again up to 200 lbs due to sheer boredom.
>>>
>>> How do you recover from winters?
>>
>>Winter seems to add weight if you're not careful regardless of exercise, I'm not sure why.
>>
>>My strategy is to weigh every morning and never have it sneak up on me. If I start creeping up I eat a little less. I dropped 50 pounds to get to goal weight and have kept it stable 4 years now.
>>
>>Many math challenged fitness experts tell you not to weigh every day, because individual measurements will vary and mislead you. They tell you instead to take individual measurements on a different interval, maybe weekly or monthly, never realizing they've just moved the problem. If you really want more accuracy you could do a 5 day running average and take advantage of the central limit theorem, and I did that years ago, but it wasn't worth the effort.
>
>Anyone can call themselves an "expert," and get mindless fools to take
>their advice.

Frankie?
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sat, 14 Jan 2023 06:47:21 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Fri, 13 Jan 2023 09:02:25 -0500, Catrike Rider
><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 13 Jan 2023 05:15:48 -0800 (PST), Tim R
>><timothy42bach@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 11:06:07 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> With three weeks of rain I am again up to 200 lbs due to sheer boredom.
>>>>
>>>> How do you recover from winters?
>>>
>>>Winter seems to add weight if you're not careful regardless of exercise, I'm not sure why.
>>>
>>>My strategy is to weigh every morning and never have it sneak up on me. If I start creeping up I eat a little less. I dropped 50 pounds to get to goal weight and have kept it stable 4 years now.
>>>
>>>Many math challenged fitness experts tell you not to weigh every day, because individual measurements will vary and mislead you. They tell you instead to take individual measurements on a different interval, maybe weekly or monthly, never realizing they've just moved the problem. If you really want more accuracy you could do a 5 day running average and take advantage of the central limit theorem, and I did that years ago, but it wasn't worth the effort.
>>
>>Anyone can call themselves an "expert," and get mindless fools to take
>>their advice.
>
>
>Frankie?

Not me. I'm not an expert on anything but economic loading of multiple
power plants.

On Fri, 13 Jan 2023 05:15:48 -0800 (PST), Tim R
<timothy42bach@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 11:06:07 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> With three weeks of rain I am again up to 200 lbs due to sheer boredom.
>>
>> How do you recover from winters?
>
>Winter seems to add weight if you're not careful regardless of exercise, I'm not sure why.
>
>My strategy is to weigh every morning and never have it sneak up on me. If I start creeping up I eat a little less. I dropped 50 pounds to get to goal weight and have kept it stable 4 years now.
>
>Many math challenged fitness experts tell you not to weigh every day, because individual measurements will vary and mislead you. They tell you instead to take individual measurements on a different interval, maybe weekly or monthly, never realizing they've just moved the problem. If you really want more accuracy you could do a 5 day running average and take advantage of the central limit theorem, and I did that years ago, but it wasn't worth the effort.

Probably the best method is to always weigh yourself first thing in
the morning before eating. Get up, wash or shower and weigh.
I'm bragging :-) but my weight hasn't varied, up or down, more then 1%
since 2011. :-)

--
Cheers,

John B.

On 1/13/2023 6:08 PM, John B. wrote:

<snip>

> Probably the best method is to always weigh yourself first thing in
> the morning before eating. Get up, wash or shower and weigh.
> I'm bragging :-) but my weight hasn't varied, up or down, more then 1%
> since 2011. :-)

With the storms here I've been going to the gym about five times a week.
They have a scale there but I've never used it. It's very difficult to
lose weight by exercising, you really have to limit your calorie intake.

They have very good free coffee as well as good showers so that's one
additional benefit.

On Fri, 13 Jan 2023 18:30:56 -0800, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote:

>On 1/13/2023 6:08 PM, John B. wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>> Probably the best method is to always weigh yourself first thing in
>> the morning before eating. Get up, wash or shower and weigh.
>> I'm bragging :-) but my weight hasn't varied, up or down, more then 1%
>> since 2011. :-)
>
>With the storms here I've been going to the gym about five times a week.
>They have a scale there but I've never used it. It's very difficult to
>lose weight by exercising, you really have to limit your calorie intake.
>
>They have very good free coffee as well as good showers so that's one
>additional benefit.

The problem with "going to the gym" is that (I'm assuming here) most
weight lifting exercises don't burn many calories. And other exercises
really don't burn many relative to common U.S. "goodies".
Running - 10 minute mile - 566-839 calories/hour.
Big Mac with cheese, Fries and a coke = 1100 calories :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 1/13/2023 7:08 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Jan 2023 18:30:56 -0800, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 1/13/2023 6:08 PM, John B. wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> Probably the best method is to always weigh yourself first thing in
>>> the morning before eating. Get up, wash or shower and weigh.
>>> I'm bragging :-) but my weight hasn't varied, up or down, more then 1%
>>> since 2011. :-)
>>
>> With the storms here I've been going to the gym about five times a week.
>> They have a scale there but I've never used it. It's very difficult to
>> lose weight by exercising, you really have to limit your calorie intake.
>>
>> They have very good free coffee as well as good showers so that's one
>> additional benefit.
>
> The problem with "going to the gym" is that (I'm assuming here) most
> weight lifting exercises don't burn many calories. And other exercises
> really don't burn many relative to common U.S. "goodies".
> Running - 10 minute mile - 566-839 calories/hour.
> Big Mac with cheese, Fries and a coke = 1100 calories :-)

I mainly use the elliptical and the rower. I will sometimes use the
weight lifting equipment but usually head to the outdoor whirlpool after
an hour of exercise. Yes, as I pointed out you're unlikely to burn
enough calories doing exercise to have any weight loss. You have to give
up the carbs and sugar.

Am 13.01.2023 um 17:51 schrieb Frank Krygowski:
> On 1/13/2023 8:15 AM, Tim R wrote:
>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 11:06:07 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>> With three weeks of rain I am again up to 200 lbs due to sheer boredom.
>>>
>>> How do you recover from winters?
>>
>> Winter seems to add weight if you're not careful regardless of
>> exercise, I'm not sure why.
>>
>> My strategy is to weigh every morning and never have it sneak up on
>> me.  If I start creeping up I eat a little less.  I dropped 50 pounds
>> to get to goal weight and have kept it stable 4 years now.
>
> That's my plan as well. It works for me.
>
> I'm about ten pounds over my college age weight. Sadly, I'm sure more of
> those pounds are now fat instead of muscle. But when I got to about 17
> pounds above college weight, I not only weighed myself daily, I plotted
> it. For some reason, having a graph motivated me. It was satisfying to
> see the plot slope downward.

For me, Garmin provides that graph. I mostly stuck to 'weigh myself
every three months' but it the weight was unexpected, weigh myself again
next day.

When I shifted back to daily bike commuting to the office last year, I
unexpectedly gained 5 pounds, possibly due to the free office lunch,
possibly due to taking several deserts when I thought that would be OK
to due to increased exercise.
6 months later, a Covid episode with 5 days in bed eating more or less
nothing got me rid of thouse pounds over the christmas days ;-(
and then I weighed myself daily for a week to see how weight stabilized.

On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 4:08:56 PM UTC-5, sms wrote:
> On 1/13/2023 7:08 PM, John B. wrote:
> > On Fri, 13 Jan 2023 18:30:56 -0800, sms <scharf...@geemail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 1/13/2023 6:08 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>
> >> <snip>
> >>
> >>> Probably the best method is to always weigh yourself first thing in
> >>> the morning before eating. Get up, wash or shower and weigh.
> >>> I'm bragging :-) but my weight hasn't varied, up or down, more then 1%
> >>> since 2011. :-)
> >>
> >> With the storms here I've been going to the gym about five times a week.
> >> They have a scale there but I've never used it. It's very difficult to
> >> lose weight by exercising, you really have to limit your calorie intake.
> >>
> >> They have very good free coffee as well as good showers so that's one
> >> additional benefit.
> >
> > The problem with "going to the gym" is that (I'm assuming here) most
> > weight lifting exercises don't burn many calories. And other exercises
> > really don't burn many relative to common U.S. "goodies".
> > Running - 10 minute mile - 566-839 calories/hour.
> > Big Mac with cheese, Fries and a coke = 1100 calories :-)
> I mainly use the elliptical and the rower. I will sometimes use the
> weight lifting equipment but usually head to the outdoor whirlpool after
> an hour of exercise. Yes, as I pointed out you're unlikely to burn
> enough calories doing exercise to have any weight loss. You have to give
> up the carbs and sugar.

An hour in the whirlpool or the sauna is an hour in which it is nearly impossible to eat donuts. Huge benefit for the willpower challenged!

On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 8:21:21 AM UTC-5, timoth...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 4:08:56 PM UTC-5, sms wrote:
> > On 1/13/2023 7:08 PM, John B. wrote:
> > > On Fri, 13 Jan 2023 18:30:56 -0800, sms <scharf...@geemail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> On 1/13/2023 6:08 PM, John B. wrote:
> > >>
> > >> <snip>
> > >>
> > >>> Probably the best method is to always weigh yourself first thing in
> > >>> the morning before eating. Get up, wash or shower and weigh.
> > >>> I'm bragging :-) but my weight hasn't varied, up or down, more then 1%
> > >>> since 2011. :-)
> > >>
> > >> With the storms here I've been going to the gym about five times a week.
> > >> They have a scale there but I've never used it. It's very difficult to
> > >> lose weight by exercising, you really have to limit your calorie intake.
> > >>
> > >> They have very good free coffee as well as good showers so that's one
> > >> additional benefit.
> > >
> > > The problem with "going to the gym" is that (I'm assuming here) most
> > > weight lifting exercises don't burn many calories. And other exercises
> > > really don't burn many relative to common U.S. "goodies".
> > > Running - 10 minute mile - 566-839 calories/hour.
> > > Big Mac with cheese, Fries and a coke = 1100 calories :-)
> > I mainly use the elliptical and the rower. I will sometimes use the
> > weight lifting equipment but usually head to the outdoor whirlpool after
> > an hour of exercise. Yes, as I pointed out you're unlikely to burn
> > enough calories doing exercise to have any weight loss. You have to give
> > up the carbs and sugar.
> An hour in the whirlpool or the sauna is an hour in which it is nearly impossible to eat donuts. Huge benefit for the willpower challenged!

https://finland.fi/life-society/finnish-sauna-cuisine-cooking-time-may-vary/

On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 3:33:06 AM UTC-8, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> Am 13.01.2023 um 17:51 schrieb Frank Krygowski:
> > On 1/13/2023 8:15 AM, Tim R wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 11:06:07 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com
> >> wrote:
> >>> With three weeks of rain I am again up to 200 lbs due to sheer boredom.
> >>>
> >>> How do you recover from winters?
> >>
> >> Winter seems to add weight if you're not careful regardless of
> >> exercise, I'm not sure why.
> >>
> >> My strategy is to weigh every morning and never have it sneak up on
> >> me. If I start creeping up I eat a little less. I dropped 50 pounds
> >> to get to goal weight and have kept it stable 4 years now.
> >
> > That's my plan as well. It works for me.
> >
> > I'm about ten pounds over my college age weight. Sadly, I'm sure more of
> > those pounds are now fat instead of muscle. But when I got to about 17
> > pounds above college weight, I not only weighed myself daily, I plotted
> > it. For some reason, having a graph motivated me. It was satisfying to
> > see the plot slope downward.
> For me, Garmin provides that graph. I mostly stuck to 'weigh myself
> every three months' but it the weight was unexpected, weigh myself again
> next day.
>
> When I shifted back to daily bike commuting to the office last year, I
> unexpectedly gained 5 pounds, possibly due to the free office lunch,
> possibly due to taking several deserts when I thought that would be OK
> to due to increased exercise.
> 6 months later, a Covid episode with 5 days in bed eating more or less
> nothing got me rid of thouse pounds over the christmas days ;-(
> and then I weighed myself daily for a week to see how weight stabilized.

In the winter my weight rises because I get little to no exercise during the raining periods or last year to the three weeks of having covid-19 and the time it took to feel normal again before I resumed riding. The illness itself was only three days. But this rain has been going on almost continually for 3 weeks and I simply don't have the patience for riding a turbotrainer.

On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 5:21:21 AM UTC-8, timoth...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 4:08:56 PM UTC-5, sms wrote:
> > On 1/13/2023 7:08 PM, John B. wrote:
> > > On Fri, 13 Jan 2023 18:30:56 -0800, sms <scharf...@geemail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> On 1/13/2023 6:08 PM, John B. wrote:
> > >>
> > >> <snip>
> > >>
> > >>> Probably the best method is to always weigh yourself first thing in
> > >>> the morning before eating. Get up, wash or shower and weigh.
> > >>> I'm bragging :-) but my weight hasn't varied, up or down, more then 1%
> > >>> since 2011. :-)
> > >>
> > >> With the storms here I've been going to the gym about five times a week.
> > >> They have a scale there but I've never used it. It's very difficult to
> > >> lose weight by exercising, you really have to limit your calorie intake.
> > >>
> > >> They have very good free coffee as well as good showers so that's one
> > >> additional benefit.
> > >
> > > The problem with "going to the gym" is that (I'm assuming here) most
> > > weight lifting exercises don't burn many calories. And other exercises
> > > really don't burn many relative to common U.S. "goodies".
> > > Running - 10 minute mile - 566-839 calories/hour.
> > > Big Mac with cheese, Fries and a coke = 1100 calories :-)
> > I mainly use the elliptical and the rower. I will sometimes use the
> > weight lifting equipment but usually head to the outdoor whirlpool after
> > an hour of exercise. Yes, as I pointed out you're unlikely to burn
> > enough calories doing exercise to have any weight loss. You have to give
> > up the carbs and sugar.
> An hour in the whirlpool or the sauna is an hour in which it is nearly impossible to eat donuts. Huge benefit for the willpower challenged!
I cannot have a container of Oreo's around or I eat the entire thing. So I simply don't buy them except as a very occasional treat. My wife doesn't like my cooking all that well and so I tend to cook to her tastes more than my preferred heathier ones.

On 1/16/2023 5:21 AM, Tim R wrote:

<snip>

> An hour in the whirlpool or the sauna is an hour in which it is nearly impossible to eat donuts. Huge benefit for the willpower challenged!

True. Though the gym has a very good cafe which has several
not-so-healthy offerings though a lot of healthy stuff as well. But no
donuts. When I saw a friend there with his kids, they were eating French
fries and cheese quesadillas from the cafe. It's so expensive that I
have not been tempted to buy anything there.

sms wrote:
> On 1/16/2023 5:21 AM, Tim R wrote:

>> An hour in the whirlpool or the sauna is an hour in which it is
>> nearly impossible to eat donuts. Huge benefit for the willpower challenged!

> True. Though the gym has a very good cafe which has several
> not-so-healthy offerings though a lot of healthy stuff as well. But no
> donuts. When I saw a friend there with his kids, they were eating French
> fries and cheese quesadillas from the cafe. It's so expensive that I
> have not been tempted to buy anything there.

It must feel awful when people won't even invite their hungry former
mayor for a little quesadilla snack, whatever it might be!

Arnie should set up an Austrian McD at your decadent gym:
You can order a "Happy Meal" consisting of a hamburger, a tomato-less
snack salad, carrots, and a 1/3L bottle of sparkling mineral water.
That's the carrots,
<https://www.mcdonalds.at/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/vitaminkick-karottenherzen-hero.png>
but you can choose an uncut, unpackaged, organic apple instead if you
don't mind the extra 50 kcals of carbs.

When elected and challenged by tasty bits at every occasion, a former
Austrian president, iirc the one who had a similar family name as yours,
reportedly used his daily scale-check's "a kilo too much" rule to not
eat for the day, but it's hard to image he'd also skip creamed coffee.

On 1/17/2023 9:12 AM, Sepp Ruf wrote:

<snip>

> It must feel awful when people won't even invite their hungry former
> mayor for a little quesadilla snack, whatever it might be!

LOL, they did share their food with me but he was not someone that was
one of my former constituents. That cafe does have a lot of healthy
options <https://order.chownow.com/order/10024/locations/13743>. It's
really not all that expensive considering how restaurant prices have
increased in the past few years.

> Arnie should set up an Austrian McD at your decadent gym:
> You can order a "Happy Meal" consisting of a hamburger, a tomato-less
> snack salad, carrots, and a 1/3L bottle of sparkling mineral water.

<snip>

The hospital that I was born in in Florida used to have a McDonald's
on-site but the lease ended in 2014 "3 hospitals rapped for McDonald's
in lobby."

While we did not get paid for our service to the city, beyond a tiny
stipend, the council members often were invited to events that had very
good food. Probably the best meal I ever ate in my life was at the
Japanese Consul General's home in San Francisco. Here is the menu
<https://i.imgur.com/BpA9Til.jpeg> with a small amusing typo.

On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 6:14:38 PM UTC-5, sms wrote:
> While we did not get paid for our service to the city, beyond a tiny
> stipend, the council members often were invited to events that had very
> good food. Probably the best meal I ever ate in my life was at the
> Japanese Consul General's home in San Francisco. Here is the menu
> <https://i.imgur.com/BpA9Til.jpeg> with a small amusing typo.

Some years back the French ambassador came to our area on the East Coast, I have no idea why. We aren't that far from DC, maybe he had business.

The event was at some fancy resort hotel, and a local symphony was engaged (not hired) to play for it. They were short a trombone and I got the call. We weren't paid but we were fed, and they must have had an awesome chef. That's still one of the best meals of my life.

On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 7:51:52 AM UTC-8, timoth...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 6:14:38 PM UTC-5, sms wrote:
> > While we did not get paid for our service to the city, beyond a tiny
> > stipend, the council members often were invited to events that had very
> > good food. Probably the best meal I ever ate in my life was at the
> > Japanese Consul General's home in San Francisco. Here is the menu
> > <https://i.imgur.com/BpA9Til.jpeg> with a small amusing typo.
> Some years back the French ambassador came to our area on the East Coast, I have no idea why. We aren't that far from DC, maybe he had business.
>
> The event was at some fancy resort hotel, and a local symphony was engaged (not hired) to play for it. They were short a trombone and I got the call.. We weren't paid but we were fed, and they must have had an awesome chef. That's still one of the best meals of my life.

I got in 25 miles yesterday and in the evening cooked spar ribs and wilted greens and caramelized onions. Even with the cheap wine, I slept like a baby last night. I had dreams of how difficult it is to televise the Tour de France.

On 1/18/2023 10:51 AM, Tim R wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 6:14:38 PM UTC-5, sms wrote:
>> While we did not get paid for our service to the city, beyond a tiny
>> stipend, the council members often were invited to events that had very
>> good food. Probably the best meal I ever ate in my life was at the
>> Japanese Consul General's home in San Francisco. Here is the menu
>> <https://i.imgur.com/BpA9Til.jpeg> with a small amusing typo.
>
> Some years back the French ambassador came to our area on the East Coast, I have no idea why. We aren't that far from DC, maybe he had business.
>
> The event was at some fancy resort hotel, and a local symphony was engaged (not hired) to play for it. They were short a trombone and I got the call. We weren't paid but we were fed, and they must have had an awesome chef. That's still one of the best meals of my life.

You're lucky. My friends and I were once hired to play for a very fancy
"farm to table" gig at a local resort. We got to hear the chef describe
each course in detail, followed by the sommelier describing his choice
of wine for that course. Oh, and we were nicely complimented by many of
the guests.

Then, when it was all over, they led us downstairs and let us eat some
lukewarm beef cheeks and pizza outside the kitchen. :-/

--
- Frank Krygowski