Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

> On 2021-08-25 23:47, Steve Wilson wrote:
>> Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2021-08-25 23:02, whit3rd wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 12:51:51 PM UTC-7, bitrex wrote:
>>>>> On 8/25/2021 3:36 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> France has about 70% nuclear for its electricity, think it is at the
>>>>>> top. I was there many times, am still alive :-)
>>>>
>>>>> Also sees about 40% of their yearly fresh water go to cool their
>>>>> reactors before it gets to just about anyone else downstream. Yet
>>>>> another strike against fission is how water-hungry it is, unless ...
>>>>
>>>> Fission is also useful in molten-salt reactors that are NOT
>>>> water-hungry. So, that's a straw man argument unless we persist with
>>>> 1960s-era light water reactors only.
>>>>
>>>
>>> How come? Either nuclear, coal or oil are used to produce steam
>>> that drives the turbines that rotate the generators. They all
>>> need to cool their condensers. They all need a lot of water.
>>>
>>> Jeroen Belleman
>>
>> Molten salt can use high pressure CO2. See my other post for reference.
>
> The medium is not the issue. The issue is that the efficiency of
> a thermal engine depends on the temperature difference between the
> hot and the cold side. If you skimp on cooling the cold end, the
> efficiency will suffer.
>
> Jeroen Belleman

Yes, we all have heard of Carnot.

Molten salt does not use water. It uses high pressure CO2. It can run
anywhere it is needed, even in the desert.

CO2 and molten salt allows 45% efficiency. This is unheard of in
conventional nuclear reactors. Part of the efficiency is the reactor runs
at 500C or higher. Conventional nuclear runs much lower, perhaps around
300C. Water at 300C is explosive as soon as pressure is released. This
leads to meltdown.

The molten salt reactor runs at atmospheric pressure so there is no risk of
explosion. No immense containment vessel is needed. The reactor cannot melt
down. It is already molten.

See LFTR Chemical Processing & Power Conversion - Kirk Sorensen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBmk7t5K35A

CO2 is at 19:04, but the entire video is worth watching.

--
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On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 5:45:49 PM UTC-4, Steve Wilson wrote:
> whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 12:51:51 PM UTC-7, bitrex wrote:
> >> On 8/25/2021 3:36 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> >
> >> > France has about 70% nuclear for its electricity, think it is at the
> >> > top. I was there many times, am still alive :-)
> >
> >> Also sees about 40% of their yearly fresh water go to cool their
> >> reactors before it gets to just about anyone else downstream. Yet
> >> another strike against fission is how water-hungry it is, unless ...
> >
> > Fission is also useful in molten-salt reactors that are NOT
> > water-hungry. So, that's a straw man argument unless we persist with
> > 1960s-era light water reactors only.
> Yes. They can use high pressure CO2 and don't need water. They can run
> anywhere they are needed, even in the desert.
>
> See LFTR Chemical Processing & Power Conversion - Kirk Sorensen
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBmk7t5K35A
>
> CO2 is at 19:04

CO2??? Where will we ever find enough CO2 for all those reactors?

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On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 6:26:07 PM UTC-4, Steve Wilson wrote:
> Jeroen Belleman <jer...@nospam.please> wrote:
>
> Yes, we all have heard of Carnot.
>
> Molten salt does not use water. It uses high pressure CO2. It can run
> anywhere it is needed, even in the desert.
>
> CO2 and molten salt allows 45% efficiency. This is unheard of in
> conventional nuclear reactors. Part of the efficiency is the reactor runs
> at 500C or higher. Conventional nuclear runs much lower, perhaps around
> 300C. Water at 300C is explosive as soon as pressure is released. This
> leads to meltdown.

What does CO2 do when the pressure is released???

> The molten salt reactor runs at atmospheric pressure so there is no risk of
> explosion. No immense containment vessel is needed. The reactor cannot melt
> down. It is already molten.

I'm confused. If the high pressure CO2 leaks, isn't that a similar problem? I realize there are better fall back systems than in light water reactors, but it still results in a ruined reactor, no? I seem to recall the salt melts a plug and drops into a reservoir where it is cooled passively, becoming solid again, or do I have that wrong? This is still a billion dollar magnitude loss.

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onsdag den 25. august 2021 kl. 23.45.49 UTC+2 skrev Steve Wilson:
> whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 12:51:51 PM UTC-7, bitrex wrote:
> >> On 8/25/2021 3:36 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> >
> >> > France has about 70% nuclear for its electricity, think it is at the
> >> > top. I was there many times, am still alive :-)
> >
> >> Also sees about 40% of their yearly fresh water go to cool their
> >> reactors before it gets to just about anyone else downstream. Yet
> >> another strike against fission is how water-hungry it is, unless ...
> >
> > Fission is also useful in molten-salt reactors that are NOT
> > water-hungry. So, that's a straw man argument unless we persist with
> > 1960s-era light water reactors only.
> Yes. They can use high pressure CO2 and don't need water. They can run
> anywhere they are needed, even in the desert.
>
> See LFTR Chemical Processing & Power Conversion - Kirk Sorensen
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBmk7t5K35A
>
> CO2 is at 19:04

and at 19:00 on the right of the drawing: wet cooler

how else are you going to get rid of 322MW heat?

Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

> onsdag den 25. august 2021 kl. 23.45.49 UTC+2 skrev Steve Wilson:
>> whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 12:51:51 PM UTC-7, bitrex wrote:
>> >> On 8/25/2021 3:36 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> >
>> >> > France has about 70% nuclear for its electricity, think it is at
>> >> > the top. I was there many times, am still alive :-)
>> >
>> >> Also sees about 40% of their yearly fresh water go to cool their
>> >> reactors before it gets to just about anyone else downstream. Yet
>> >> another strike against fission is how water-hungry it is, unless ...
>> >
>> > Fission is also useful in molten-salt reactors that are NOT
>> > water-hungry. So, that's a straw man argument unless we persist with
>> > 1960s-era light water reactors only.
>> Yes. They can use high pressure CO2 and don't need water. They can run
>> anywhere they are needed, even in the desert.
>>
>> See LFTR Chemical Processing & Power Conversion - Kirk Sorensen
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBmk7t5K35A
>>
>> CO2 is at 19:04
>
> and at 19:00 on the right of the drawing: wet cooler
>
> how else are you going to get rid of 322MW heat?

Cooling was touched on in other of Kirk's videos, for example to supply
process heat for manufacturing, and air cooling using heat exchangers.

China is working on a molten salt reactor that doesn't need water for
cooling and can be used in remote desert regions. See

China moves forward with thorium molten salt reactor

A team of government researchers in China have unveiled the design for a
commercial nuclear reactor that is expected to be the first in the world
that does not need water for cooling, the South China Morning Post (SCMP)
reported on 19 July. This will allow the facilities to be built in remote
desert regions to provide power for more densely populated areas.

https://www.neimagazine.com/news/newschina-moves-forward-with-thorium-molte
n-salt-reactor-8919220

Other Information:

China Is Building a Thorium Molten Salt Reactor - Here's Why It Matters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EFfxMx6WJs

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Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

> John Doe wrote:

>> https://www.neimagazine.com/news/newsrespected-german-intellectual-plead
>> s-for-nuclear-8991276
>>
>> He describes Germany's move away from nuclear power as "totally
>> repugnant".
>>
>> He notes that the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) reports 28
>> new states wanting to embark on nuclear power programmes while
>> worldwide 400 nuclear plants are in operation in 33 countries, with new
>> ones are being built in 13 countries, including the UK, Finland and
>> Slovakia. At the same time, Rolls-Royce is developing small reactors as
>> are Argentine, Russia and China while US President Biden is also having
>> the technology researched.
>>
>> Joe Biden gets it, but Germany doesn't...
>
> Germany is not stupid. They don't want the old technology, they want
> someone else to invest the trillions necessary in the smaller reactors,
> before they buy the finished commodity product.

Small reactors should be perfected by now, considering the fact our Navy
has been using miniature reactors for 60 years, since 1961.

On Thursday, August 26, 2021 at 1:41:22 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
> Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > John Doe wrote:
>
> >> https://www.neimagazine.com/news/newsrespected-german-intellectual-plead
> >> s-for-nuclear-8991276
> >>
> >> He describes Germany's move away from nuclear power as "totally
> >> repugnant".
> >>
> >> He notes that the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) reports 28
> >> new states wanting to embark on nuclear power programmes while
> >> worldwide 400 nuclear plants are in operation in 33 countries, with new
> >> ones are being built in 13 countries, including the UK, Finland and
> >> Slovakia. At the same time, Rolls-Royce is developing small reactors as
> >> are Argentine, Russia and China while US President Biden is also having
> >> the technology researched.
> >>
> >> Joe Biden gets it, but Germany doesn't...
> >
> > Germany is not stupid. They don't want the old technology, they want
> > someone else to invest the trillions necessary in the smaller reactors,
> > before they buy the finished commodity product.
>
> Small reactors should be perfected by now, considering the fact our Navy has been using miniature reactors for 60 years, since 1961.

They may be perfect for use in nuclear submarines, but that doesn't make them commercially viable in less specialised applications.

The reality is that until somebody finds an acceptable way of dealing with nuclear waste - lying about how little there is of it isn't acceptable - the economics of fission power are unpredictable. The history so far says that nuclear electricity generation is more expensive than generating it with windmills or solar farms, so it is a stupid idea. John Doe is stupid, so he hasn't noticed.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

Steve Wilson wrote:
> Yes, we all have heard of Carnot.
>
> Molten salt does not use water. It uses high pressure CO2. It can run
> anywhere it is needed, even in the desert.

So what does it use as cold reservoir in the desert?

On a sunny day (Wed, 25 Aug 2021 15:51:44 -0400) it happened bitrex
<user@example.net> wrote in <kbxVI.2$g_4.0@fx14.iad>:

>On 8/25/2021 3:36 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> On a sunny day (Wed, 25 Aug 2021 13:04:11 -0400) it happened bitrex
>> <user@example.net> wrote in <fKuVI.156$tA2.45@fx02.iad>:
>>
>>> Nobody wants this shit in their neighborhood, the whole nuclear industry
>>> in the U$ is run by scumbags.
>>
>>
>> https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/current-and-future-generation/nuclear-power-in-the-world-today.aspx
>>
>> France has about 70% nuclear for its electricity, think it is at the top.
>> I was there many times, am still alive :-)
>
>Also sees about 40% of their yearly fresh water go to cool their
>reactors before it gets to just about anyone else downstream. Yet
>another strike against fission is how water-hungry it is, unless one
>believes the world is actually cooling off and much more fresh water
>than is around now will become readily available very shortly. Either
>way the water is definitely not free and you need lots of it.
>
>Yeah you can put them by the ocean which has its own set of problems
>including in large countries the losses involved with having to send the
>power a thousand miles inland.

Maybe the electricity and hot water vapor from cooling the reactors can be used for desalination?
There is a drink water shortage that will only become worse due to climate change in the middle east I did read.

On a sunny day (Wed, 25 Aug 2021 21:34:02 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Anthony
William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in
<48e32a6d-92a9-4a87-a390-59e6bda7bc63n@googlegroups.com>:

>The reality is that until somebody finds an acceptable way of dealing with nuclear
>waste - lying about how little there is of it isn't acceptable - the
>economics of fission power are unpredictable. The history so far says that
>nuclear electricity generation is more expensive than generating it with
>windmills or solar farms, so it is a stupid idea. John Doe is stupid, so he
>hasn't noticed.

You get cornered and start calling names, that is not science.
You omit the stated fact that we DO NOT HAVE LONG TIME ENERGY STORAGE to cover the
periods where there is no wind and clouds cover the solar cells (or smoke from vulcanos)
or solar panels are blown away by strong winds, or shattered by strong hails
or windmill blades flying all over the place (seen that) after severe storms.

https://www.americanexperiment.org/the-environmental-disaster-of-solar-energy/

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Ffiles.americanexperiment.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2019%2F08%2Fhttps-blogs-images.forbes.com-michaelshellenberger-files-2018-05-puerto_rico_solar.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.americanexperiment.org%2Fthe-environmental-disaster-of-solar-energy%2F&tbnid=tNyvoF4fmyLfQM&vet=12ahUKEwiPv-Gkk87yAhWDvKQKHWW3AIAQMygDegUIARC6AQ..i&docid=PkRXCFeiqrmVVM&w=700&h=394&q=solar

On Thursday, August 26, 2021 at 5:27:43 PM UTC+10, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (Wed, 25 Aug 2021 21:34:02 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Anthony
> William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote in
> <48e32a6d-92a9-4a87...@googlegroups.com>:
> >The reality is that until somebody finds an acceptable way of dealing with nuclear
> >waste - lying about how little there is of it isn't acceptable - the
> >economics of fission power are unpredictable. The history so far says that
> >nuclear electricity generation is more expensive than generating it with
> >windmills or solar farms, so it is a stupid idea. John Doe is stupid, so he
> >hasn't noticed.
> You get cornered and start calling names, that is not science.

John Doe is stupid - that's a fact - and it explains most of the nonsense he posts. You may want to see it is a name-calling, but it is an unrealistic point of view.

> You omit the stated fact that we DO NOT HAVE LONG TIME ENERGY STORAGE to cover the
> periods where there is no wind and clouds cover the solar cells (or smoke from vulcanos)
> or solar panels are blown away by strong winds, or shattered by strong hails
> or windmill blades flying all over the place (seen that) after severe storms.

We haven't got enough long term energy storage yet to let us rely entirely on wind and solar. There's quite a bit of pumped hydro around already, and lots of hydroelectric power stations are being modified so they can act as grid storage. Big grid batteries are being installed all the time - not enough to cover us when we have enough wind and solar to do the whole job, but we haven't got that much of them either - though there are days when they provide all the power being consumed in some countries. Making solar farms and windmills sold enough to cope with very high winds is just engineering - they don't get blown away very often, and some clowns always cut their safety margins too fine.

> https://www.americanexperiment.org/the-environmental-disaster-of-solar-energy/

That link is blocked for me. Google suggests that it is just more climate denial propaganda. Used solar panels may contain toxic heavy metals, but it's not in the least difficult to recycle them.

<snipped the silly pictures>

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

On Wed, 25 Aug 2021 03:54:05 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 5:17:53 PM UTC-4, John Doe wrote:
>> https://www.neimagazine.com/news/newsrespected-german-intellectual-pleads-for-nuclear-8991276
>>
>> He describes Germany's move away from nuclear power as "totally
>> repugnant".
>>
>> He notes that the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) reports 28 new
>> states wanting to embark on nuclear power programmes while worldwide 400
>> nuclear plants are in operation in 33 countries, with new ones are being
>> built in 13 countries, including the UK, Finland and Slovakia. At the same
>> time, Rolls-Royce is developing small reactors as are Argentine, Russia
>> and China while US President Biden is also having the technology
>> researched.
>>
>> Joe Biden gets it, but Germany doesn't...
>
>
>Germany is not stupid. They don't want the old technology, they want someone else to invest the trillions necessary in the smaller reactors, before they buy the finished commodity product.

Germany just buys power from French nukes when their coal plants and
solar cells and windmills take a week off.

The French did it right.

--

Father Brown's figure remained quite dark and still;
but in that instant he had lost his head. His head was
always most valuable when he had lost it.

> > how else are you going to get rid of 322MW heat?
> Cooling was touched on in other of Kirk's videos, for example to supply
> process heat for manufacturing, and air cooling using heat exchangers.
>
> China is working on a molten salt reactor that doesn't need water for
> cooling and can be used in remote desert regions. See

Why is water supply a problem in China? They have several major rivers and plenty of damn dams and water. In facts, they have two consecutive years of thousand years floods this year and last. What's the chance of this? Million years flood?

On Friday, August 27, 2021 at 1:32:34 AM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Aug 2021 03:54:05 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 5:17:53 PM UTC-4, John Doe wrote:
> >> https://www.neimagazine.com/news/newsrespected-german-intellectual-pleads-for-nuclear-8991276
> >>
> >> He describes Germany's move away from nuclear power as "totally
> >> repugnant".
> >>
> >> He notes that the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) reports 28 new
> >> states wanting to embark on nuclear power programmes while worldwide 400
> >> nuclear plants are in operation in 33 countries, with new ones are being
> >> built in 13 countries, including the UK, Finland and Slovakia. At the same
> >> time, Rolls-Royce is developing small reactors as are Argentine, Russia
> >> and China while US President Biden is also having the technology
> >> researched.
> >>
> >> Joe Biden gets it, but Germany doesn't...
> >
> >
> >Germany is not stupid. They don't want the old technology, they want someone else to invest the trillions necessary in the smaller reactors, before they buy the finished commodity product.
>
> Germany just buys power from French nukes when their coal plants and
> solar cells and windmills take a week off.
>
> The French did it right.

Not entirely.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_France

In 2016 twenty of Frances's 58 nuclear reactors due to a problem with the steel forgings used to build them that had become visible at that time - the forgings had been made in 1965, so the problem hadn't been all that obvious. New technology does have teething troubles, and having problems with nuclear reactors is more worrying than having problems with solar cells and wind turbines.

--
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On Friday, August 27, 2021 at 1:32:34 AM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Aug 2021 03:54:05 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 5:17:53 PM UTC-4, John Doe wrote:
> >> https://www.neimagazine.com/news/newsrespected-german-intellectual-pleads-for-nuclear-8991276
> >>
> >> He describes Germany's move away from nuclear power as "totally
> >> repugnant".
> >>
> >> He notes that the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) reports 28 new
> >> states wanting to embark on nuclear power programmes while worldwide 400
> >> nuclear plants are in operation in 33 countries, with new ones are being
> >> built in 13 countries, including the UK, Finland and Slovakia. At the same
> >> time, Rolls-Royce is developing small reactors as are Argentine, Russia
> >> and China while US President Biden is also having the technology
> >> researched.
> >>
> >> Joe Biden gets it, but Germany doesn't...
> >
> >
> >Germany is not stupid. They don't want the old technology, they want someone else to invest the trillions necessary in the smaller reactors, before they buy the finished commodity product.
>
> Germany just buys power from French nukes when their coal plants and
> solar cells and windmills take a week off.
>
> The French did it right.

Not entirely.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_France

In 2016 twenty of Frances's 58 nuclear reactors were shut down due to a problem with the steel forgings used to build them. The problem had become visible at that time - the forgings had been made in 1965, so the problem hadn't been all that obvious. New technology does have teething troubles, and having problems with nuclear reactors is more worrying than having problems with solar cells and wind turbines.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

On a sunny day (Sat, 28 Aug 2021 07:23:36 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Anthony
William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in
<5100181b-7391-4ce0-bebc-74ec29c4e1abn@googlegroups.com>:

>In 2016 twenty of Frances's 58 nuclear reactors were shut down due to a problem
>with the steel forgings used to build them. The problem had become visible
>at that time - the forgings had been made in 1965, so the problem hadn't
>been all that obvious. New technology does have teething troubles, and having
>problems with nuclear reactors is more worrying than having problems with
>solar cells and wind turbines.

Nuclear plants need maintenance, just like any industrial setup.
The one here had some maintenance too, the one in Belgium was offline for a wile too IIRC.
When one plant goes down for maintenance an other can fill the gap.
Much more worrying is when there is no 'trickty at all, can be a big disaster
when no trains and no electric cars and no aircos and no light and no internet
and no radio and no heating and so on.

Imagine, category 4 storm now coming to the gulf coast or there about
Please leave (no radio to inform people), WHAT? no way to charge my car...

On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 14:39:22 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On a sunny day (Sat, 28 Aug 2021 07:23:36 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Anthony
>William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in
><5100181b-7391-4ce0-bebc-74ec29c4e1abn@googlegroups.com>:
>
>>In 2016 twenty of Frances's 58 nuclear reactors were shut down due to a problem
>>with the steel forgings used to build them. The problem had become visible
>>at that time - the forgings had been made in 1965, so the problem hadn't
>>been all that obvious. New technology does have teething troubles, and having
>>problems with nuclear reactors is more worrying than having problems with
>>solar cells and wind turbines.
>
>Nuclear plants need maintenance, just like any industrial setup.
>The one here had some maintenance too, the one in Belgium was offline for a wile too IIRC.
>When one plant goes down for maintenance an other can fill the gap.
>Much more worrying is when there is no 'trickty at all, can be a big disaster
>when no trains and no electric cars and no aircos and no light and no internet
>and no radio and no heating and so on.
>
>Imagine, category 4 storm now coming to the gulf coast or there about
>Please leave (no radio to inform people), WHAT? no way to charge my car...

A mass evacuation of a population with many electric cars would be a
nightmare. When I lived in New Orleans, I kept a jug of gasoline in
reserve.

In hurricane season, it's prudent to keep your cars at least half full
all the time. And have a siphon hose.

Earthquake season is always! Our power was off for about 2 days after
the '89 quake, but there was no big fire so we were OK. Had to eat all
the ice cream.

--

Father Brown's figure remained quite dark and still;
but in that instant he had lost his head. His head was
always most valuable when he had lost it.

On Saturday, August 28, 2021 at 8:04:21 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 14:39:22 GMT, Jan Panteltje
> <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >On a sunny day (Sat, 28 Aug 2021 07:23:36 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Anthony
> >William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote in
> ><5100181b-7391-4ce0...@googlegroups.com>:
> >
> >>In 2016 twenty of Frances's 58 nuclear reactors were shut down due to a problem
> >>with the steel forgings used to build them. The problem had become visible
> >>at that time - the forgings had been made in 1965, so the problem hadn't
> >>been all that obvious. New technology does have teething troubles, and having
> >>problems with nuclear reactors is more worrying than having problems with
> >>solar cells and wind turbines.
> >
> >Nuclear plants need maintenance, just like any industrial setup.
> >The one here had some maintenance too, the one in Belgium was offline for a wile too IIRC.
> >When one plant goes down for maintenance an other can fill the gap.
> >Much more worrying is when there is no 'trickty at all, can be a big disaster
> >when no trains and no electric cars and no aircos and no light and no internet
> >and no radio and no heating and so on.
> >
> >Imagine, category 4 storm now coming to the gulf coast or there about
> >Please leave (no radio to inform people), WHAT? no way to charge my car...
> A mass evacuation of a population with many electric cars would be a
> nightmare. When I lived in New Orleans, I kept a jug of gasoline in
> reserve.
>
> In hurricane season, it's prudent to keep your cars at least half full
> all the time. And have a siphon hose.
>
> Earthquake season is always! Our power was off for about 2 days after
> the '89 quake, but there was no big fire so we were OK. Had to eat all
> the ice cream.

Well, my inverter can run the fridge for a day or two. I'll take all your ice-cream next time.

And i have plenty of stationary battery banks.

I have a 12V inverter charger in the EV. I can always recharge from another EV, or at least another ICE.

On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 08:10:38 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
<edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, August 28, 2021 at 8:04:21 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 14:39:22 GMT, Jan Panteltje
>> <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On a sunny day (Sat, 28 Aug 2021 07:23:36 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Anthony
>> >William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote in
>> ><5100181b-7391-4ce0...@googlegroups.com>:
>> >
>> >>In 2016 twenty of Frances's 58 nuclear reactors were shut down due to a problem
>> >>with the steel forgings used to build them. The problem had become visible
>> >>at that time - the forgings had been made in 1965, so the problem hadn't
>> >>been all that obvious. New technology does have teething troubles, and having
>> >>problems with nuclear reactors is more worrying than having problems with
>> >>solar cells and wind turbines.
>> >
>> >Nuclear plants need maintenance, just like any industrial setup.
>> >The one here had some maintenance too, the one in Belgium was offline for a wile too IIRC.
>> >When one plant goes down for maintenance an other can fill the gap.
>> >Much more worrying is when there is no 'trickty at all, can be a big disaster
>> >when no trains and no electric cars and no aircos and no light and no internet
>> >and no radio and no heating and so on.
>> >
>> >Imagine, category 4 storm now coming to the gulf coast or there about
>> >Please leave (no radio to inform people), WHAT? no way to charge my car...
>> A mass evacuation of a population with many electric cars would be a
>> nightmare. When I lived in New Orleans, I kept a jug of gasoline in
>> reserve.
>>
>> In hurricane season, it's prudent to keep your cars at least half full
>> all the time. And have a siphon hose.
>>
>> Earthquake season is always! Our power was off for about 2 days after
>> the '89 quake, but there was no big fire so we were OK. Had to eat all
>> the ice cream.
>
>Well, my inverter can run the fridge for a day or two. I'll take all your ice-cream next time.

We had an all-block ice cream party with the neighbors, comparing
flavors. Some people I hadn't met.

People were great. With the traffic lights out, everyone was driving
super-polite.

>
>And i have plenty of stationary battery banks.
>
>I have a 12V inverter charger in the EV. I can always recharge from another EV, or at least another ICE.

Just kill the driver first.

--

Father Brown's figure remained quite dark and still;
but in that instant he had lost his head. His head was
always most valuable when he had lost it.

On 8/24/21 11:17 PM, John Doe wrote:
> https://www.neimagazine.com/news/newsrespected-german-intellectual-pleads-for-nuclear-8991276
>
> He describes Germany's move away from nuclear power as "totally
> repugnant".
>
> He notes that the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) reports 28 new
> states wanting to embark on nuclear power programmes while worldwide 400
> nuclear plants are in operation in 33 countries, with new ones are being
> built in 13 countries, including the UK, Finland and Slovakia. At the same
> time, Rolls-Royce is developing small reactors as are Argentine, Russia
> and China while US President Biden is also having the technology
> researched.
>
> Joe Biden gets it, but Germany doesn't...
>

Germany is a relatively densely populated country. Before Germany
entered the nuclear power technology, politicians stated that the
construction of nuclear power plants requires a solution for the final
storage of nuclear waste and that no nuclear power plants may be built
without final storage. But politicians soon forgot that.

Today we still have no solution for the final disposal of nuclear waste,
but plenty of of it. As long as there is no final disposal and in a
densely populated country like Germany a final disposal is not easy to
realize, nuclear power technology is the most idiotic way to produce energy.

We had an final disposal location in Germany not for high level
radioactive waste but for low- and intermediate-level radioactive waste.
It was a former salt mine called Asse and in a hearing all the experts
told the public the mine will be safe for thousand of years.

From 1967 to 1978, about 47,000 cubic meters of low- and
intermediate-level radioactive waste were emplaced in the Asse mine on
behalf of the federal government. In 1993, a report to the environment
ministry pointed to persistent rock movements, leach influxes and
radioactively contaminated brine. So all the experts were wrong in their
opinion that asse is suitable for the final disposal of nuclear waste.

In the end the politicians decided: "According to current knowledge,
long-term safety can only be guaranteed by retrieving the radioactive
waste".

The funny thing or not so funny thing is that to this day there is no
place to store this radioactive waste.

Mrs. Merkel did the right thing to get rid of the nuclear power technology.

So my question to all the clever people in this group, who are so fond
of the nuclear power technology, where is your final disposal.

Sven

On Saturday, August 28, 2021 at 8:20:02 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 08:10:38 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
> <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, August 28, 2021 at 8:04:21 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> >> On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 14:39:22 GMT, Jan Panteltje
> >> <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On a sunny day (Sat, 28 Aug 2021 07:23:36 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Anthony
> >> >William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote in
> >> ><5100181b-7391-4ce0...@googlegroups.com>:
> >> >
> >> >>In 2016 twenty of Frances's 58 nuclear reactors were shut down due to a problem
> >> >>with the steel forgings used to build them. The problem had become visible
> >> >>at that time - the forgings had been made in 1965, so the problem hadn't
> >> >>been all that obvious. New technology does have teething troubles, and having
> >> >>problems with nuclear reactors is more worrying than having problems with
> >> >>solar cells and wind turbines.
> >> >
> >> >Nuclear plants need maintenance, just like any industrial setup.
> >> >The one here had some maintenance too, the one in Belgium was offline for a wile too IIRC.
> >> >When one plant goes down for maintenance an other can fill the gap.
> >> >Much more worrying is when there is no 'trickty at all, can be a big disaster
> >> >when no trains and no electric cars and no aircos and no light and no internet
> >> >and no radio and no heating and so on.
> >> >
> >> >Imagine, category 4 storm now coming to the gulf coast or there about
> >> >Please leave (no radio to inform people), WHAT? no way to charge my car...
> >> A mass evacuation of a population with many electric cars would be a
> >> nightmare. When I lived in New Orleans, I kept a jug of gasoline in
> >> reserve.
> >>
> >> In hurricane season, it's prudent to keep your cars at least half full
> >> all the time. And have a siphon hose.
> >>
> >> Earthquake season is always! Our power was off for about 2 days after
> >> the '89 quake, but there was no big fire so we were OK. Had to eat all
> >> the ice cream.
> >
> >Well, my inverter can run the fridge for a day or two. I'll take all your ice-cream next time.
> We had an all-block ice cream party with the neighbors, comparing
> flavors. Some people I hadn't met.
>
> People were great. With the traffic lights out, everyone was driving
> super-polite.
> >
> >And i have plenty of stationary battery banks.
> >
> >I have a 12V inverter charger in the EV. I can always recharge from another EV, or at least another ICE.
> Just kill the driver first.

Why? I'll just give him some of your ice-cream. Or the gasoline i carry in my EV for that purpose.

Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote in
news:d37579a9-e11e-45ae-8171-985b21bd38ddn@googlegroups.com:

> On Saturday, August 28, 2021 at 8:04:21 AM UTC-7,
> jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 14:39:22 GMT, Jan Panteltje
>> <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On a sunny day (Sat, 28 Aug 2021 07:23:36 -0700 (PDT)) it
>> >happened Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote in
>> ><5100181b-7391-4ce0...@googlegroups.com>:
>> >
>> >>In 2016 twenty of Frances's 58 nuclear reactors were shut down
>> >>due to a problem with the steel forgings used to build them.
>> >>The problem had become visible at that time - the forgings had
>> >>been made in 1965, so the problem hadn't been all that obvious.
>> >>New technology does have teething troubles, and having problems
>> >>with nuclear reactors is more worrying than having problems
>> >>with solar cells and wind turbines.
>> >
>> >Nuclear plants need maintenance, just like any industrial setup.
>> >The one here had some maintenance too, the one in Belgium was
>> >offline for a wile too IIRC. When one plant goes down for
>> >maintenance an other can fill the gap. Much more worrying is
>> >when there is no 'trickty at all, can be a big disaster when no
>> >trains and no electric cars and no aircos and no light and no
>> >internet and no radio and no heating and so on.
>> >
>> >Imagine, category 4 storm now coming to the gulf coast or there
>> >about Please leave (no radio to inform people), WHAT? no way to
>> >charge my car...
>> A mass evacuation of a population with many electric cars would
>> be a nightmare. When I lived in New Orleans, I kept a jug of
>> gasoline in reserve.
>>
>> In hurricane season, it's prudent to keep your cars at least half
>> full all the time. And have a siphon hose.
>>
>> Earthquake season is always! Our power was off for about 2 days
>> after the '89 quake, but there was no big fire so we were OK. Had
>> to eat all the ice cream.
>
> Well, my inverter can run the fridge for a day or two.

Maybe if it is a mini-fridge and you do not open the door the
entire time. But I doubt even that.

> I'll take
> all your ice-cream next time.

Shoved up your ass along with a quart of Chlorine TriFlouride.
Yeah... that's what you need. A nice tall glass of Chlorine
Triflouride. No need for Jim Jones' Kool-Aid. Take your ass stright
through to the chest pain burning sensation that quaffing a nice big
gulp of it would do to you. I feel reall happy just fantasizing how
that would look. From about 80 feet away. Bwuahahahahahaha!

Now run off and find out what Chlorine Triflouride is, punk.

> And i have plenty of stationary battery banks.

Put them all up on your roof over your bedroom. Maybe it will make
the news when they fall in on you.
> I have a 12V inverter charger in the EV.

Oh boy! Ed Le is tech savvy! Not!

> I can always recharge
> from another EV, or at least another ICE.

As if we need a tech primer from an utterly retarded Trumpanzee
idiot, being told to another trumpanzee utter idiot. Take your
retarded off topic horseshit somewhere else, EdTard.

On Saturday, August 28, 2021 at 8:35:50 AM UTC-7, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
> Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:d37579a9-e11e-45ae...@googlegroups.com:
> > On Saturday, August 28, 2021 at 8:04:21 AM UTC-7,
> > jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> >> On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 14:39:22 GMT, Jan Panteltje
> >> <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On a sunny day (Sat, 28 Aug 2021 07:23:36 -0700 (PDT)) it
> >> >happened Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote in
> >> ><5100181b-7391-4ce0...@googlegroups.com>:
> >> >
> >> >>In 2016 twenty of Frances's 58 nuclear reactors were shut down
> >> >>due to a problem with the steel forgings used to build them.
> >> >>The problem had become visible at that time - the forgings had
> >> >>been made in 1965, so the problem hadn't been all that obvious.
> >> >>New technology does have teething troubles, and having problems
> >> >>with nuclear reactors is more worrying than having problems
> >> >>with solar cells and wind turbines.
> >> >
> >> >Nuclear plants need maintenance, just like any industrial setup.
> >> >The one here had some maintenance too, the one in Belgium was
> >> >offline for a wile too IIRC. When one plant goes down for
> >> >maintenance an other can fill the gap. Much more worrying is
> >> >when there is no 'trickty at all, can be a big disaster when no
> >> >trains and no electric cars and no aircos and no light and no
> >> >internet and no radio and no heating and so on.
> >> >
> >> >Imagine, category 4 storm now coming to the gulf coast or there
> >> >about Please leave (no radio to inform people), WHAT? no way to
> >> >charge my car...
> >> A mass evacuation of a population with many electric cars would
> >> be a nightmare. When I lived in New Orleans, I kept a jug of
> >> gasoline in reserve.
> >>
> >> In hurricane season, it's prudent to keep your cars at least half
> >> full all the time. And have a siphon hose.
> >>
> >> Earthquake season is always! Our power was off for about 2 days
> >> after the '89 quake, but there was no big fire so we were OK. Had
> >> to eat all the ice cream.
> >
> > Well, my inverter can run the fridge for a day or two.
> Maybe if it is a mini-fridge and you do not open the door the
> entire time. But I doubt even that.
> > I'll take
> > all your ice-cream next time.
> Shoved up your ass along with a quart of Chlorine TriFlouride.
> Yeah... that's what you need. A nice tall glass of Chlorine
> Triflouride. No need for Jim Jones' Kool-Aid. Take your ass stright
> through to the chest pain burning sensation that quaffing a nice big
> gulp of it would do to you. I feel reall happy just fantasizing how
> that would look. From about 80 feet away. Bwuahahahahahaha!
>
> Now run off and find out what Chlorine Triflouride is, punk.
> > And i have plenty of stationary battery banks.
> Put them all up on your roof over your bedroom. Maybe it will make
> the news when they fall in on you.
> > I have a 12V inverter charger in the EV.
> Oh boy! Ed Le is tech savvy! Not!
> > I can always recharge
> > from another EV, or at least another ICE.
> As if we need a tech primer from an utterly retarded Trumpanzee
> idiot, being told to another trumpanzee utter idiot. Take your
> retarded off topic horseshit somewhere else, EdTard.

Sit. Don't follow me around.

Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote in
news:56d1d4bd-e17e-4b49-952c-ba7388506f82n@googlegroups.com:

> On Saturday, August 28, 2021 at 8:20:02 AM UTC-7,
> jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 08:10:38 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
>> <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Saturday, August 28, 2021 at 8:04:21 AM UTC-7,
>> >jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 14:39:22 GMT, Jan Panteltje
>> >> <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On a sunny day (Sat, 28 Aug 2021 07:23:36 -0700 (PDT)) it
>> >> >happened Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote in
>> >> ><5100181b-7391-4ce0...@googlegroups.com>:
>> >> >
>> >> >>In 2016 twenty of Frances's 58 nuclear reactors were shut
>> >> >>down due to a problem with the steel forgings used to build
>> >> >>them. The problem had become visible at that time - the
>> >> >>forgings had been made in 1965, so the problem hadn't
>> >> >>been all that obvious. New technology does have teething
>> >> >>troubles, and having problems with nuclear reactors is more
>> >> >>worrying than having problems with solar cells and wind
>> >> >>turbines.
>> >> >
>> >> >Nuclear plants need maintenance, just like any industrial
>> >> >setup. The one here had some maintenance too, the one in
>> >> >Belgium was offline for a wile too IIRC. When one plant goes
>> >> >down for maintenance an other can fill the gap. Much more
>> >> >worrying is when there is no 'trickty at all, can be a big
>> >> >disaster when no trains and no electric cars and no aircos
>> >> >and no light and no internet and no radio and no heating and
>> >> >so on.
>> >> >
>> >> >Imagine, category 4 storm now coming to the gulf coast or
>> >> >there about Please leave (no radio to inform people), WHAT?
>> >> >no way to charge my car...
>> >> A mass evacuation of a population with many electric cars
>> >> would be a nightmare. When I lived in New Orleans, I kept a
>> >> jug of gasoline in reserve.
>> >>
>> >> In hurricane season, it's prudent to keep your cars at least
>> >> half full all the time. And have a siphon hose.
>> >>
>> >> Earthquake season is always! Our power was off for about 2
>> >> days after the '89 quake, but there was no big fire so we were
>> >> OK. Had to eat all the ice cream.
>> >
>> >Well, my inverter can run the fridge for a day or two. I'll take
>> >all your ice-cream next time.
>> We had an all-block ice cream party with the neighbors, comparing
>> flavors. Some people I hadn't met.
>>
>> People were great. With the traffic lights out, everyone was
>> driving super-polite.
>> >
>> >And i have plenty of stationary battery banks.
>> >
>> >I have a 12V inverter charger in the EV. I can always recharge
>> >from another EV, or at least another ICE.
>> Just kill the driver first.
>
> Why? I'll just give him some of your ice-cream. Or the gasoline i
> carry in my EV for that purpose.

He was talking about YOU, dumbfuck.

On Saturday, August 28, 2021 at 8:44:24 AM UTC-7, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
> Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:56d1d4bd-e17e-4b49...@googlegroups.com:
> > On Saturday, August 28, 2021 at 8:20:02 AM UTC-7,
> > jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> >> On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 08:10:38 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
> >> <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Saturday, August 28, 2021 at 8:04:21 AM UTC-7,
> >> >jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> >> >> On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 14:39:22 GMT, Jan Panteltje
> >> >> <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On a sunny day (Sat, 28 Aug 2021 07:23:36 -0700 (PDT)) it
> >> >> >happened Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote in
> >> >> ><5100181b-7391-4ce0...@googlegroups.com>:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>In 2016 twenty of Frances's 58 nuclear reactors were shut
> >> >> >>down due to a problem with the steel forgings used to build
> >> >> >>them. The problem had become visible at that time - the
> >> >> >>forgings had been made in 1965, so the problem hadn't
> >> >> >>been all that obvious. New technology does have teething
> >> >> >>troubles, and having problems with nuclear reactors is more
> >> >> >>worrying than having problems with solar cells and wind
> >> >> >>turbines.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Nuclear plants need maintenance, just like any industrial
> >> >> >setup. The one here had some maintenance too, the one in
> >> >> >Belgium was offline for a wile too IIRC. When one plant goes
> >> >> >down for maintenance an other can fill the gap. Much more
> >> >> >worrying is when there is no 'trickty at all, can be a big
> >> >> >disaster when no trains and no electric cars and no aircos
> >> >> >and no light and no internet and no radio and no heating and
> >> >> >so on.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Imagine, category 4 storm now coming to the gulf coast or
> >> >> >there about Please leave (no radio to inform people), WHAT?
> >> >> >no way to charge my car...
> >> >> A mass evacuation of a population with many electric cars
> >> >> would be a nightmare. When I lived in New Orleans, I kept a
> >> >> jug of gasoline in reserve.
> >> >>
> >> >> In hurricane season, it's prudent to keep your cars at least
> >> >> half full all the time. And have a siphon hose.
> >> >>
> >> >> Earthquake season is always! Our power was off for about 2
> >> >> days after the '89 quake, but there was no big fire so we were
> >> >> OK. Had to eat all the ice cream.
> >> >
> >> >Well, my inverter can run the fridge for a day or two. I'll take
> >> >all your ice-cream next time.
> >> We had an all-block ice cream party with the neighbors, comparing
> >> flavors. Some people I hadn't met.
> >>
> >> People were great. With the traffic lights out, everyone was
> >> driving super-polite.
> >> >
> >> >And i have plenty of stationary battery banks.
> >> >
> >> >I have a 12V inverter charger in the EV. I can always recharge
> >> >from another EV, or at least another ICE.
> >> Just kill the driver first.
> >
> > Why? I'll just give him some of your ice-cream. Or the gasoline i
> > carry in my EV for that purpose.
> He was talking about YOU, dumbfuck.

Must be for the gasoline i am carrying for emergency. But most human would be polite enough to charge my EV in exchange for my gas, but animals don't.