On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 07:09:03 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>I couldn't care less what someone thinks they would like
>to be but here if a 12 year old kid says he want to
>"transition" to another sex, his parent's may have
>absolutely no say in the matter. And something like
>90% of these people commit suicide as they reach maturity.

More like 40%. Among transgender children, 82% consider suicide and
40% have attempted suicide.

"Suicidality Among Transgender Youth: Elucidating the Role of
Interpersonal Risk Factors:
<https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32345113/>
<https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0886260520915554>

"Transgender teens 7.6 times more likely to attempt suicide"
<https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/transgender-teens-7-6-times-more-likely-to-attempt-suicide>

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Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 2:10:54 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
>> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 20:24:20 GMT, Roger Meriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> funkma...@hotmail.com <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 1:11:49?PM UTC-4, floriduh white trash wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 09:07:08 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>>>>>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 10:21:17?AM UTC-4, floriduh white trash wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 06:31:40 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>>>>>>>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 4:57:20?AM UTC-4, Lou Holtman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What is ‘transgender’ nonsense?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just more right-wing ranting from a floriduh bigot.
>>>>>>>> Apparently, Junior has no problem with males winning women's bicycling
>>>>>>>> races..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://news.yahoo.com/male-athlete-wins-women-cycling-151630094.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My opinion of the matter is irrelevant. With a few notable exceptions,
>>>>>>> the womens pro peloton is ok with it. If they want to do something
>>>>>>> about it, let them drive it. Why do you feel the need to stick your
>>>>>>> nose into something that has absolutely no effect on you?
>>>>>> Actually, Dummy, it effects everyone who cares
>>>>>
>>>>> Right, you're all about 'freedom' unless it's something you don't like,
>>>>> then it's ok for you to impose your beliefs
>>>>>
>>>>>> about women's athletics
>>>>>> and doesn't want to see it taken over by biological males robbing
>>>>>> women of scholarships and potential income.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure, There are literally thousands....no, hundreds of thousands of
>>>>> biological males who are willing to go through gender transformation just
>>>>> to get a sports scholarship. Talk about fear mongering.....
>>>>>
>>>> During the last uk census Transgender was recorded as 0.4 % split evenly
>>>> 50/50 between the genders.
>>>>
>>>> Ie for all that click bate and angry words a tiny number of people.
>>>>
>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, not very many of them, but most of them seem to be attention
>>> seekers. I don't like attention seekers.
>>>
>> Some are ie influencers but not many, as it’s controversial it’s click bate
>> hence being in the news!
>>
>> Roger Merriman
> Well I live in the San Francisco bay area and they most certainly are not
> rare here. San Francisco has died on the altar of LGBTQ+
>

Some areas will have clusters yes, Brighton for example has higher rates
than rest of county but while visible possibly very much so, much like
during the 80’s and gay men.

But the numbers are still low, just because some influencers are shouting
and some media is using them as clickbate doesn’t change that! Nor should
one listen to the loudest voices!

Bit like first aid training you should listen to the silent or quiet rather
than shouting as they often are more serious.

USA seems to have similar rates to UK ie 0.40% of population.

Roger Merriman

On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 2:38:02 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 2:10:54 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
> >> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 20:24:20 GMT, Roger Meriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> funkma...@hotmail.com <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 1:11:49?PM UTC-4, floriduh white trash wrote:
> >>>>>> On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 09:07:08 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> >>>>>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 10:21:17?AM UTC-4, floriduh white trash wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 06:31:40 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> >>>>>>>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 4:57:20?AM UTC-4, Lou Holtman wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> What is ‘transgender’ nonsense?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Just more right-wing ranting from a floriduh bigot.
> >>>>>>>> Apparently, Junior has no problem with males winning women's bicycling
> >>>>>>>> races..
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> https://news.yahoo.com/male-athlete-wins-women-cycling-151630094..html
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> My opinion of the matter is irrelevant. With a few notable exceptions,
> >>>>>>> the womens pro peloton is ok with it. If they want to do something
> >>>>>>> about it, let them drive it. Why do you feel the need to stick your
> >>>>>>> nose into something that has absolutely no effect on you?
> >>>>>> Actually, Dummy, it effects everyone who cares
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Right, you're all about 'freedom' unless it's something you don't like,
> >>>>> then it's ok for you to impose your beliefs
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> about women's athletics
> >>>>>> and doesn't want to see it taken over by biological males robbing
> >>>>>> women of scholarships and potential income.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sure, There are literally thousands....no, hundreds of thousands of
> >>>>> biological males who are willing to go through gender transformation just
> >>>>> to get a sports scholarship. Talk about fear mongering.....
> >>>>>
> >>>> During the last uk census Transgender was recorded as 0.4 % split evenly
> >>>> 50/50 between the genders.
> >>>>
> >>>> Ie for all that click bate and angry words a tiny number of people.
> >>>>
> >>>> Roger Merriman
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Yeah, not very many of them, but most of them seem to be attention
> >>> seekers. I don't like attention seekers.
> >>>
> >> Some are ie influencers but not many, as it’s controversial it’s click bate
> >> hence being in the news!
> >>
> >> Roger Merriman
> > Well I live in the San Francisco bay area and they most certainly are not
> > rare here. San Francisco has died on the altar of LGBTQ+
> >
> Some areas will have clusters yes, Brighton for example has higher rates
> than rest of county but while visible possibly very much so, much like
> during the 80’s and gay men.
>
> But the numbers are still low, just because some influencers are shouting
> and some media is using them as clickbate doesn’t change that! Nor should
> one listen to the loudest voices!
>
> Bit like first aid training you should listen to the silent or quiet rather
> than shouting as they often are more serious.
>
> USA seems to have similar rates to UK ie 0.40% of population.

This isn't much of a click bait - Most normal people have fled San Francisco.

On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 5:26:32 PM UTC+1, Roger Meriman wrote:
> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >
> >
> > It's not as though I'd ever drink that pissy crap, anyway... but..
> >
> > https://nypost.com/2023/04/12/bud-lights-trans-ploy-backlash-shows-you-can-fight-big-woke/
> >
> > Almost every bike ride for many years has been followed by a Yuenglin
> > as I sat on the truck's tailgate and waited for my heart-rate to
> > settle down.
> >
> Can’t remember if I ever drank Bud light? As with many folks like myself
> alcohol doesn’t mix well anymore!
>
> But can’t imagine I’d be bothered within reason who was advertising it! Nor
> probably interested in it.
>
> Never heard of her good or bad it’s very much a meh from me!
>
> Roger Merman
>
You may be the exception, Roger, but goods sell on the perceived image of the person or people in the advertisements: the man in the Hathaway shirt. Today it's lazy advertising, but still very effective, in the Anheuser-Busch case negatively effective.
>
Andre Jute
A sometime hidden persuader.
>

On 4/14/2023 3:25 PM, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 12:51:28 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 1:11:49?PM UTC-4, floriduh white trash wrote:
>>> On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 09:07:08 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 10:21:17?AM UTC-4, floriduh white trash wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 06:31:40 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>>>>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 4:57:20?AM UTC-4, Lou Holtman wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is ‘transgender’ nonsense?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just more right-wing ranting from a floriduh bigot.
>>>>> Apparently, Junior has no problem with males winning women's bicycling
>>>>> races..
>>>>>
>>>>> https://news.yahoo.com/male-athlete-wins-women-cycling-151630094.html
>>>>
>>>> My opinion of the matter is irrelevant. With a few notable exceptions, the womens pro peloton is ok with it. If they want to do something about it, let them drive it. Why do you feel the need to stick your nose into something that has absolutely no effect on you?
>>> Actually, Dummy, it effects everyone who cares
>>
>> Right, you're all about 'freedom' unless it's something you don't like, then it's ok for you to impose your beliefs
>>
>>> about women's athletics
>>> and doesn't want to see it taken over by biological males robbing
>>> women of scholarships and potential income.
>>
>> Sure, There are literally thousands....no, hundreds of thousands of biological males who are willing to go through gender transformation just to get a sports scholarship. Talk about fear mongering.....
>
> It only takes one to rob a deserving woman of her athletic
> scholarship, Dummy.
>

Actually so far each one of them has denied the best women
in the field their deserved awards in multiple events.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 14:18:42 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 1:36:05?PM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> Yeah, not very many of them, but most of them seem to be attention
>> seekers. I don't like attention seekers.

>Do you mean Flunky, Liebermann and Frank?

Tom, I really hate to remind you for the 6th time that it doesn't
matter what you think of your critics. No matter how hard you try,
nothing you write about them will repair the damage you have done to
what is left of your reputation with chronic lies, fabrications,
amazing facts, contrived numbers, etc. Your critics could all be the
tools of the devil or evil incarnate and you would still remain the
liar that others and I have so often demonstrated and proven.

I find it amazing that you would repeat the same accusations over and
over, as if repetition would somehow convert the accusations and lies
into the truth. That only works when the audience is stupid,
uninformed, and incapable of doing their own thinking. Something like
a mob. I don't think that's the case in RBT. Simply the ability to
operate a computer and engage in an online debate puts RBT readers in
an above average intelligence category. It doesn't take much more
than reading a few days of your amazing facts and spurious accusations
for anyone to see where you stand. You probably don't even realize
that what you are really doing is trashing what is left of your
reputation.

May you live in the hell of your own creation.

--
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PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
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On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 08:01:14 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>Russians are killing Ukrainians at a 6:1 rate.

6:1 is a ratio, not a rate.

"Casualties of the Russo-Ukrainian War"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War#Total_casualties>

Do you contrive such numbers just for the occasion? Which of your
unspecified sources show a 6:1 casualty ratio, in which region, and
over what time span? If you don't like Wikipedia, find a better
source. Hint: Everyone is exaggerating the numbers up or down
depending on their politics and agenda.

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PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 9:11:29 PM UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 08:01:14 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Russians are killing Ukrainians at a 6:1 rate.
>
> 6:1 is a ratio, not a rate.
>
> "Casualties of the Russo-Ukrainian War"
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War#Total_casualties>
>
> Do you contrive such numbers just for the occasion? Which of your
> unspecified sources show a 6:1 casualty ratio, in which region, and
> over what time span?

He's also contrived that russia controls 90% of Ukraine and that the Ukraine government was committing genocide against russian nationals living in Ukraine.

On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 9:00:23 PM UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 14:18:42 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 1:36:05?PM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >> Yeah, not very many of them, but most of them seem to be attention
> >> seekers. I don't like attention seekers.
>
> >Do you mean Flunky, Liebermann and Frank?
> Tom, I really hate to remind you for the 6th time that it doesn't
> matter what you think of your critics. No matter how hard you try,
> nothing you write about them will repair the damage you have done to
> what is left of your reputation with chronic lies, fabrications,
> amazing facts, contrived numbers, etc. Your critics could all be the
> tools of the devil or evil incarnate and you would still remain the
> liar that others and I have so often demonstrated and proven.
>
> I find it amazing that you would repeat the same accusations over and
> over, as if repetition would somehow convert the accusations and lies
> into the truth. That only works when the audience is stupid,
> uninformed, and incapable of doing their own thinking. Something like
> a mob. I don't think that's the case in RBT. Simply the ability to
> operate a computer and engage in an online debate puts RBT readers in
> an above average intelligence category. It doesn't take much more
> than reading a few days of your amazing facts and spurious accusations
> for anyone to see where you stand. You probably don't even realize
> that what you are really doing is trashing what is left of your
> reputation.
>
> May you live in the hell of your own creation.
> --

+1 Jeff
Too bad RBT doesn't have a Post of the Month. This one would certainly be deserving.

On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 5:17:22 PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> Roger, who CARES if someone wants to pretend that they are another sex? They've been among us since Eve took a bite of the apple. They used to be the butt of very many jokes which I considered to be cruel and unjust

Oh, you mean like '30 round clips are perfect for visiting gay bath houses' ?