On Fri, 26 May 2023 04:10:42 -0400, Catrike Rider
<soloman@drafting.not> wrote:

>On Thu, 25 May 2023 19:21:47 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>>On 5/25/2023 5:58 PM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>> On Thu, 25 May 2023 16:01:35 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/25/2023 11:48 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>> On 5/25/2023 10:42 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am continuously irked by people riding on the roads with
>>>>>> black kit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let them have their choice.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm irked by people who claim riding a bike is dangerous
>>>>> unless done in garishly colored faux team kit - AKA "full
>>>>> mating plumage."
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Maybe you could spend a nice Sunday afternoon with Mr Kunich
>>>> commenting on other people's cycle clothing together. Or (as
>>>> a popular bar in my old neighborhood did for girls walking
>>>> by the window), hold up ratings cards as they ride past.
>>>
>>>
>>> Chesty's and/or The Pub...
>>>
>>
>>Schwegler's The Pub.
>>
>>The Inter Webs didn't archive an image of the iconic girl
>>rating cards.
>
>Back in the early sixties, I visited a few of the State Street's 18-YO
>bars. I don't remember the girl rating cards, but I remember sitting
>in the window watching girls walk by. The cards must have come later.

What's with you people... sitting in a bar and peeping out the window?
Why not go and invite her in for a drink?
--
Cheers,

John B.

AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> On 5/25/2023 11:48 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 5/25/2023 10:42 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>
>>> I am continuously irked by people riding on the roads with
>>> black kit.
>>
>> Let them have their choice.
>>
>> I'm irked by people who claim riding a bike is dangerous
>> unless done in garishly colored faux team kit - AKA "full
>> mating plumage."
>>
>
> Maybe you could spend a nice Sunday afternoon with Mr Kunich
> commenting on other people's cycle clothing together. Or (as
> a popular bar in my old neighborhood did for girls walking
> by the window), hold up ratings cards as they ride past.
>
One of the common Surrey hills for roadies, has a old rail road bridge that
you can in summer at least cross on Gravel or MTB always fun to play Pooh
Sticks and ie have a watch of the folks attempting to climb said hill,
possibly offer encouragement!

Roger Merriman

AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> On 5/25/2023 1:06 PM, pH wrote:
>> On 2023-05-25, William Crowell <retroguybilly@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 76 here, and still trying to ride, but I have lost a lot of stamina, so
>>> I can't do those long rides anymore, and wind, so I can't climb the
>>> really steep hills anymore, either. I never was a racer, only a tourist.
>>
>> And I'm in my mid 60's.
>> Hmm.....I'm seeing a subtle pattern here in Usenet usage!
>> I hope that it catches on again w/ the kids.
>>
>> How knows, maybe it'll be so popular that we'll have moderated groups
>> again...I wonder if any of those are left....
>>
>> pH in Aptos
>>
>
> If anyone considers our little usenet chat thing uncivil or
> sharp or snarky, ask to see what young people are reading
> all day long. Social media is an absolute toilet if not a
> cesspool. I do not subscribe but daughter sends screenshots
> of things found on grandsons' telephones (yes she monitors
> them).
>
Usenet is Social media just old! And has always been fairly snarky really.

Doesn’t have the numbers like others for group unpleasantness or commonly
used on your phone say, I could use it on my phone but prefer the size on
my iPad my preferred client when obsolete maybe a decade ago!

Roger Merriman

On Fri, 26 May 2023 15:42:23 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Fri, 26 May 2023 04:10:42 -0400, Catrike Rider
><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 25 May 2023 19:21:47 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>>On 5/25/2023 5:58 PM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 25 May 2023 16:01:35 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/25/2023 11:48 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/25/2023 10:42 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am continuously irked by people riding on the roads with
>>>>>>> black kit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let them have their choice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm irked by people who claim riding a bike is dangerous
>>>>>> unless done in garishly colored faux team kit - AKA "full
>>>>>> mating plumage."
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe you could spend a nice Sunday afternoon with Mr Kunich
>>>>> commenting on other people's cycle clothing together. Or (as
>>>>> a popular bar in my old neighborhood did for girls walking
>>>>> by the window), hold up ratings cards as they ride past.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Chesty's and/or The Pub...
>>>>
>>>
>>>Schwegler's The Pub.
>>>
>>>The Inter Webs didn't archive an image of the iconic girl
>>>rating cards.
>>
>>Back in the early sixties, I visited a few of the State Street's 18-YO
>>bars. I don't remember the girl rating cards, but I remember sitting
>>in the window watching girls walk by. The cards must have come later.
>
>
>What's with you people... sitting in a bar and peeping out the window?
>Why not go and invite her in for a drink?

Don't think I didn't try...I was 18 at the time, and most of the girls
walking by were college girls. This was in the early 60s and "picking
up" girls required more tact than it seems to require nowdays.

On Fri, 26 May 2023 06:32:57 -0400, Catrike Rider
<soloman@drafting.not> wrote:

>On Fri, 26 May 2023 15:42:23 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 26 May 2023 04:10:42 -0400, Catrike Rider
>><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 25 May 2023 19:21:47 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 5/25/2023 5:58 PM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 25 May 2023 16:01:35 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/25/2023 11:48 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/25/2023 10:42 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am continuously irked by people riding on the roads with
>>>>>>>> black kit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let them have their choice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm irked by people who claim riding a bike is dangerous
>>>>>>> unless done in garishly colored faux team kit - AKA "full
>>>>>>> mating plumage."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe you could spend a nice Sunday afternoon with Mr Kunich
>>>>>> commenting on other people's cycle clothing together. Or (as
>>>>>> a popular bar in my old neighborhood did for girls walking
>>>>>> by the window), hold up ratings cards as they ride past.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Chesty's and/or The Pub...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Schwegler's The Pub.
>>>>
>>>>The Inter Webs didn't archive an image of the iconic girl
>>>>rating cards.
>>>
>>>Back in the early sixties, I visited a few of the State Street's 18-YO
>>>bars. I don't remember the girl rating cards, but I remember sitting
>>>in the window watching girls walk by. The cards must have come later.
>>
>>
>>What's with you people... sitting in a bar and peeping out the window?
>>Why not go and invite her in for a drink?
>
>Don't think I didn't try...I was 18 at the time, and most of the girls
>walking by were college girls. This was in the early 60s and "picking
>up" girls required more tact than it seems to require nowdays.

I've always wondered. Were the girls really hard to impress or were we
real "rubes"?

Certainly with a few years experience I didn't find girls hard to "get
to know", but it sure was difficult in the late teens (:-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Fri, 26 May 2023 18:02:10 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Fri, 26 May 2023 06:32:57 -0400, Catrike Rider
><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 26 May 2023 15:42:23 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 26 May 2023 04:10:42 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 25 May 2023 19:21:47 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On 5/25/2023 5:58 PM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 25 May 2023 16:01:35 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/25/2023 11:48 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 5/25/2023 10:42 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am continuously irked by people riding on the roads with
>>>>>>>>> black kit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Let them have their choice.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm irked by people who claim riding a bike is dangerous
>>>>>>>> unless done in garishly colored faux team kit - AKA "full
>>>>>>>> mating plumage."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe you could spend a nice Sunday afternoon with Mr Kunich
>>>>>>> commenting on other people's cycle clothing together. Or (as
>>>>>>> a popular bar in my old neighborhood did for girls walking
>>>>>>> by the window), hold up ratings cards as they ride past.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chesty's and/or The Pub...
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Schwegler's The Pub.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Inter Webs didn't archive an image of the iconic girl
>>>>>rating cards.
>>>>
>>>>Back in the early sixties, I visited a few of the State Street's 18-YO
>>>>bars. I don't remember the girl rating cards, but I remember sitting
>>>>in the window watching girls walk by. The cards must have come later.
>>>
>>>
>>>What's with you people... sitting in a bar and peeping out the window?
>>>Why not go and invite her in for a drink?
>>
>>Don't think I didn't try...I was 18 at the time, and most of the girls
>>walking by were college girls. This was in the early 60s and "picking
>>up" girls required more tact than it seems to require nowdays.
>
>
>I've always wondered. Were the girls really hard to impress or were we
>real "rubes"?
>
>Certainly with a few years experience I didn't find girls hard to "get
>to know", but it sure was difficult in the late teens (:-)

Although I'd lost my virginity in high school, it had required a lot
more than a few pick-up lines.

I was still very much a rube during my college time. Many years
later, as a single man living on my 36 foot sloop near the beach bars
on the west coast of Florida,"things" were much easier.

I'd found an old, very used "Captain's" cap in a 2nd hand store, and
more than once it started a conversation with "are you really a
Captain?"

On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 5:24:57 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 5/25/2023 6:03 PM, Catrike Rider wrote:
> > On Thu, 25 May 2023 15:25:47 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> > <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 2:03:23?PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> >>> On 5/25/2023 11:48 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>>> On 5/25/2023 10:42 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I am continuously irked by people riding on the roads with
> >>>>> black kit.
> >>>>
> >>>> Let them have their choice.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm irked by people who claim riding a bike is dangerous
> >>>> unless done in garishly colored faux team kit - AKA "full
> >>>> mating plumage."
> >>>>
> >>> Maybe you could spend a nice Sunday afternoon with Mr Kunich
> >>> commenting on other people's cycle clothing together. Or (as
> >>> a popular bar in my old neighborhood did for girls walking
> >>> by the window), hold up ratings cards as they ride past.
> >>>
> >> I am concerned about their safety and not what they look like. People might not miss you if they can't see you. I wore my bright orange togs today and people gave me more than enough clearance even in the dangerous places.
> >
> > I almost always wear black because that's what I want to wear.
> >
> That's as good a reason as any.
> I also wear mostly black.
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
Catrike rides mostly on bicycle paths. If you do as well then wear anything you like.

On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 6:08:31 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 5:24:57 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> > On 5/25/2023 6:03 PM, Catrike Rider wrote:
> > > On Thu, 25 May 2023 15:25:47 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> > > <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 2:03:23?PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> > >>> On 5/25/2023 11:48 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > >>>> On 5/25/2023 10:42 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I am continuously irked by people riding on the roads with
> > >>>>> black kit.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Let them have their choice.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I'm irked by people who claim riding a bike is dangerous
> > >>>> unless done in garishly colored faux team kit - AKA "full
> > >>>> mating plumage."
> > >>>>
> > >>> Maybe you could spend a nice Sunday afternoon with Mr Kunich
> > >>> commenting on other people's cycle clothing together. Or (as
> > >>> a popular bar in my old neighborhood did for girls walking
> > >>> by the window), hold up ratings cards as they ride past.
> > >>>
> > >> I am concerned about their safety and not what they look like. People might not miss you if they can't see you. I wore my bright orange togs today and people gave me more than enough clearance even in the dangerous places.
> > >
> > > I almost always wear black because that's what I want to wear.
> > >
> > That's as good a reason as any.
> > I also wear mostly black.
> > --
> > Andrew Muzi
> > <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> > Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> Catrike rides mostly on bicycle paths. If you do as well then wear anything you like.

Let me tell you about one of the local cycling roads around here. It is Niles Canyon. It is about 5 miles long and goes from Niles where a large part of the film industry started to Sunol which at one time was nothing more than a huge water processor. Now it is a small town with a post office and Kilkare Road that used to be lined with the homes of people with huge amounts of money but who have almost entirely moved to places like Texas and Florida. For awhile had For Sale signs on the entrance by the railway station but that brought on squatters so while not many of these homes have sold, they look like they're still inhabited.

Niles Canyon is a two lane very twisty road that has a rumble strip in the middle because so my people wander over the line and have head-on's. The bike lane is pretty non-existent with a shoulder that can run from nothing to 4 or 5 feet wide. There are three two lane bridges uphill west to east with no shoulder whatsoever. This is where most bicyclists are killed. The last three were wearing Team Sky kits.

Although it is completely illegal, at the entrance of the canyon in Niles, there is a sign that says "Begin Freeway" meaning essentially there is no speed limit in the canyon. That sign was placed by the highway department. A mile and a half in, is Palomares Rd. This is a favorite north-south climb for local cyclists. Along this road all of the farms have been put out of business and some of the hanger's on ranch cattle,. Thought there are two wineries and a monastery that is mostly out of business with the admittance of illicit sex by priests with boys. It is now largely used for Catholic Church parties and such. The climb past it is 10%.

Niles Canyon by bike means cars coming by within inches at 60 mph because there are no pull offs where cops can be watching. The turn off onto Palomares has a left turn lane but the opposite direction is blocked for eyesight by a train overpass;. So pulling over can get you hit from behind at high speed or from the front at high speed as traffic rounds a turn with forward visibility blocked by the foundation of the overpass. Also the initial climb up Palomares is over 12% for about 40 feet.

Be sure and chose a kit that gives traffic the least visibility so that you can rapidly become yet another statistic of Nikes Canyon. In other words, wear what you like because team kits are so garish.

On 5/26/2023 3:10 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Thu, 25 May 2023 19:21:47 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 5/25/2023 5:58 PM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>> On Thu, 25 May 2023 16:01:35 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/25/2023 11:48 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>> On 5/25/2023 10:42 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am continuously irked by people riding on the roads with
>>>>>> black kit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let them have their choice.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm irked by people who claim riding a bike is dangerous
>>>>> unless done in garishly colored faux team kit - AKA "full
>>>>> mating plumage."
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Maybe you could spend a nice Sunday afternoon with Mr Kunich
>>>> commenting on other people's cycle clothing together. Or (as
>>>> a popular bar in my old neighborhood did for girls walking
>>>> by the window), hold up ratings cards as they ride past.
>>>
>>>
>>> Chesty's and/or The Pub...
>>>
>>
>> Schwegler's The Pub.
>>
>> The Inter Webs didn't archive an image of the iconic girl
>> rating cards.
>
> Back in the early sixties, I visited a few of the State Street's 18-YO
> bars. I don't remember the girl rating cards, but I remember sitting
> in the window watching girls walk by. The cards must have come later.
>

After enough alcohol, nearly every woman scored a "ten".

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Fri, 26 May 2023 09:24:02 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 5/26/2023 3:10 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> On Thu, 25 May 2023 19:21:47 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/25/2023 5:58 PM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 25 May 2023 16:01:35 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/25/2023 11:48 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/25/2023 10:42 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am continuously irked by people riding on the roads with
>>>>>>> black kit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let them have their choice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm irked by people who claim riding a bike is dangerous
>>>>>> unless done in garishly colored faux team kit - AKA "full
>>>>>> mating plumage."
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe you could spend a nice Sunday afternoon with Mr Kunich
>>>>> commenting on other people's cycle clothing together. Or (as
>>>>> a popular bar in my old neighborhood did for girls walking
>>>>> by the window), hold up ratings cards as they ride past.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Chesty's and/or The Pub...
>>>>
>>>
>>> Schwegler's The Pub.
>>>
>>> The Inter Webs didn't archive an image of the iconic girl
>>> rating cards.
>>
>> Back in the early sixties, I visited a few of the State Street's 18-YO
>> bars. I don't remember the girl rating cards, but I remember sitting
>> in the window watching girls walk by. The cards must have come later.
>>
>
>After enough alcohol, nearly every woman scored a "ten".

Still true.

On Thu, 25 May 2023 18:06:42 -0000 (UTC), pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org>
wrote:

>How knows, maybe it'll be so popular that we'll have moderated groups
>again...I wonder if any of those are left....
>
>pH in Aptos

I don't like moderated Usenet groups. I've been on both sides of the
equation as a user of moderated forums and as one of several
moderators involved in keeping a mailing list clean. My problem, as a
moderator, was that a moderated group attracts the attention of
lunatics who spend their time testing the limits of what the
moderators and readers will tolerate. It doesn't take long before the
moderators tire of the game and give up.

For those who want moderation, I can recommend you to several mailing
lists that are perpetually in search of the moderators. You need a
few weeks as acting moderator to appreciate the effort (and self
control) required. Please don't thank me as you will eventually hate
me.

Also, don't assume that all moderators are fair, impartial and
friendly. I had the displeasure of dealing with a Wikibooks
moderator, who's answer to a small difference of opinion was to remove
the entire article without notifying the owners. A friend had is page
removed entirely at random by a moderator who thought that he wasn't
doing his "job" unless he removed at least one page per week. If I
try hard, I'm sure I can find other moderator inspired "power trips".

"The surest sign of success is over-subscription and pollution".
(Me about 1984)

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Fri, 26 May 2023 08:16:57 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Thu, 25 May 2023 18:06:42 -0000 (UTC), pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org>
>wrote:
>
>>How knows, maybe it'll be so popular that we'll have moderated groups
>>again...I wonder if any of those are left....
>>
>>pH in Aptos

>I don't like moderated Usenet groups...

Sorry, I was interrupted by a phone call.

One more item on moderation. One of the goals of moderation was to
limit off-topic discussions. However, when the moderation was being
organized, moderation details soon became the prime (and probably
sole) topic of discussion. A day didn't drift by without at least one
complaint about excessive or insufficient moderation. Instead of
off-topic political discussions, we had off-topic moderation
discussions. This is not progress.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 26 May 2023 08:16:57 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 25 May 2023 18:06:42 -0000 (UTC), pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> How knows, maybe it'll be so popular that we'll have moderated groups
>>> again...I wonder if any of those are left....
>>>
>>> pH in Aptos
>
>> I don't like moderated Usenet groups...
>
> Sorry, I was interrupted by a phone call.
>
> One more item on moderation. One of the goals of moderation was to
> limit off-topic discussions. However, when the moderation was being
> organized, moderation details soon became the prime (and probably
> sole) topic of discussion. A day didn't drift by without at least one
> complaint about excessive or insufficient moderation. Instead of
> off-topic political discussions, we had off-topic moderation
> discussions. This is not progress.
>
>

Yup that was my experience as well Usenet didn’t really work well
moderated, plus the cycling one just became one man’s fiefdom and died.

On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 12:08:38 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
> Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, 26 May 2023 08:16:57 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 25 May 2023 18:06:42 -0000 (UTC), pH <wNOS...@gmail.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> How knows, maybe it'll be so popular that we'll have moderated groups
> >>> again...I wonder if any of those are left....
> >>>
> >>> pH in Aptos
> >
> >> I don't like moderated Usenet groups...
> >
> > Sorry, I was interrupted by a phone call.
> >
> > One more item on moderation. One of the goals of moderation was to
> > limit off-topic discussions. However, when the moderation was being
> > organized, moderation details soon became the prime (and probably
> > sole) topic of discussion. A day didn't drift by without at least one
> > complaint about excessive or insufficient moderation. Instead of
> > off-topic political discussions, we had off-topic moderation
> > discussions. This is not progress.
> >
> >
> Yup that was my experience as well Usenet didn’t really work well
> moderated, plus the cycling one just became one man’s fiefdom and died.

Some of the moderated bicycle forums work very well if the moderator is only interested in keeping a specific thread on subject and people are free to open other threads on other bicycle related subjects. I am a member for all of them but Bicycle Magazine since they didn't like my opinions of their articles.

On Thu, 25 May 2023 15:29:39 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>I am banned from the Bicycling Magazine forum. But you aren't
>missing much. The questions and answers are all from airheads
>like Frank and John. Jeff and Flunky aren't exactly airheads
>but they want to be.

Bicycling Magazine moved their forums to Facebook in 2017:
<https://www.bicycling.com/news/a20024496/forums-moved/>
when Hearst acquired Rodale. Almost no activity and mostly junk
posting in the new Facebook group:
<https://www.facebook.com/groups/744335499090150/>
Looks like Hearst abandoned it. The first message is a 2018
resignation by the forum administrator. I wouldn't worry too much
about being banned. With no readership and little membership, I think
it's safe for you to return.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycling_(magazine)>

I didn't see any questions or answers from anyone in the new Facebook
forums. I suspect that you didn't bother looking and just assumed
that the old forum, where you were banned, was still alive and that
there were questions and answers.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On 2023-05-25, William Crowell <retroguybilly@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 11:08:07 AM UTC-7, pH wrote:
>> On 2023-05-25, William Crowell <retrog...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > 76 here, and still trying to ride, but I have lost a lot of stamina, so I can't do those long rides anymore, and wind, so I can't climb the really steep hills anymore, either. I never was a racer, only a tourist.
>> And I'm in my mid 60's.
>> Hmm.....I'm seeing a subtle pattern here in Usenet usage!
>> I hope that it catches on again w/ the kids.
>>
>> How knows, maybe it'll be so popular that we'll have moderated groups
>> again...I wonder if any of those are left....
>>
>> pH in Aptos
> pH, I hate moderated groups and refuse to participate in any. I have better things to do than to have a bunch of freakin', easily-triggered airheads tell me what I can say.

Understood. I think Usenet has shrunk to the degree that there probably
aren't any of those left, anyway. ...but I do remember a time...

pH

On 2023-05-25, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 3:25:50 PM UTC-7, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
>> On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 5:19:46 p.m. UTC-5, William Crowell wrote:
>> > On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 11:08:07 AM UTC-7, pH wrote:
>> > > On 2023-05-25, William Crowell <retrog...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > 76 here, and still trying to ride, but I have lost a lot of stamina, so I can't do those long rides anymore, and wind, so I can't climb the really steep hills anymore, either. I never was a racer, only a tourist.
>> > > And I'm in my mid 60's.
>> > > Hmm.....I'm seeing a subtle pattern here in Usenet usage!
>> > > I hope that it catches on again w/ the kids.
>> > >
>> > > How knows, maybe it'll be so popular that we'll have moderated groups
>> > > again...I wonder if any of those are left....
>> > >
>> > > pH in Aptos
>> > pH, I hate moderated groups and refuse to participate in any. I have better things to do than to have a bunch of freakin', easily-triggered airheads tell me what I can say.
>> But it's so nice to open a thread (that hasn't been hijacked) and see On Topic posts related to the Subject Title of the thread.
>>
>> Cheers
>
> But invariably they are like this group used to be when Jobst was still alive - little more than personality groups with a head personality and little else. That's OK if the forum leader is a person interested in only talking about the subject, but many of them are not and it all becomes about them. There are a LOT of moderated bicycling forums. Just do a search and see if you like them better than here. It gets really tiresome explaining to people over and over why American bottom brackets are reverse threaded.

That's when you'd see the inevitable suggestion to "Read the FAQ".
Is there still a Frequently asked Questions somewhere? (cue Jeff L.'s
search skills)

pH

On 5/27/2023 2:02 PM, pH wrote:
> On 2023-05-25, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 3:25:50 PM UTC-7, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
>>> On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 5:19:46 p.m. UTC-5, William Crowell wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 11:08:07 AM UTC-7, pH wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-05-25, William Crowell <retrog...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 76 here, and still trying to ride, but I have lost a lot of stamina, so I can't do those long rides anymore, and wind, so I can't climb the really steep hills anymore, either. I never was a racer, only a tourist.
>>>>> And I'm in my mid 60's.
>>>>> Hmm.....I'm seeing a subtle pattern here in Usenet usage!
>>>>> I hope that it catches on again w/ the kids.
>>>>>
>>>>> How knows, maybe it'll be so popular that we'll have moderated groups
>>>>> again...I wonder if any of those are left....
>>>>>
>>>>> pH in Aptos
>>>> pH, I hate moderated groups and refuse to participate in any. I have better things to do than to have a bunch of freakin', easily-triggered airheads tell me what I can say.
>>> But it's so nice to open a thread (that hasn't been hijacked) and see On Topic posts related to the Subject Title of the thread.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>
>> But invariably they are like this group used to be when Jobst was still alive - little more than personality groups with a head personality and little else. That's OK if the forum leader is a person interested in only talking about the subject, but many of them are not and it all becomes about them. There are a LOT of moderated bicycling forums. Just do a search and see if you like them better than here. It gets really tiresome explaining to people over and over why American bottom brackets are reverse threaded.
>
> That's when you'd see the inevitable suggestion to "Read the FAQ".
> Is there still a Frequently asked Questions somewhere? (cue Jeff L.'s
> search skills)
>
> pH
>

I refer to items archived in our FAQ regularly:

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/bicycles-faq/part1/

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 2:08:38 p.m. UTC-5, Roger Meriman wrote:
> Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, 26 May 2023 08:16:57 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 25 May 2023 18:06:42 -0000 (UTC), pH <wNOS...@gmail.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> How knows, maybe it'll be so popular that we'll have moderated groups
> >>> again...I wonder if any of those are left....
> >>>
> >>> pH in Aptos
> >
> >> I don't like moderated Usenet groups...
> >
> > Sorry, I was interrupted by a phone call.
> >
> > One more item on moderation. One of the goals of moderation was to
> > limit off-topic discussions. However, when the moderation was being
> > organized, moderation details soon became the prime (and probably
> > sole) topic of discussion. A day didn't drift by without at least one
> > complaint about excessive or insufficient moderation. Instead of
> > off-topic political discussions, we had off-topic moderation
> > discussions. This is not progress.
> >
> >
> Yup that was my experience as well Usenet didn’t really work well
> moderated, plus the cycling one just became one man’s fiefdom and died.

Check out the other rec.bicycles newsgroups and you'll see that most of them are just spam nowadays. Darn little bicycling related content in most of them.

Cheers

Sir Ridesalot <i_am_cycle_pathic@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 2:08:38 p.m. UTC-5, Roger Meriman wrote:
>> Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 26 May 2023 08:16:57 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 25 May 2023 18:06:42 -0000 (UTC), pH <wNOS...@gmail.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> How knows, maybe it'll be so popular that we'll have moderated groups
>>>>> again...I wonder if any of those are left....
>>>>>
>>>>> pH in Aptos
>>>
>>>> I don't like moderated Usenet groups...
>>>
>>> Sorry, I was interrupted by a phone call.
>>>
>>> One more item on moderation. One of the goals of moderation was to
>>> limit off-topic discussions. However, when the moderation was being
>>> organized, moderation details soon became the prime (and probably
>>> sole) topic of discussion. A day didn't drift by without at least one
>>> complaint about excessive or insufficient moderation. Instead of
>>> off-topic political discussions, we had off-topic moderation
>>> discussions. This is not progress.
>>>
>>>
>> Yup that was my experience as well Usenet didn’t really work well
>> moderated, plus the cycling one just became one man’s fiefdom and died.
>
> Check out the other rec.bicycles newsgroups and you'll see that most of
> them are just spam nowadays. Darn little bicycling related content in most of them.
>
> Cheers
>

Similar across other subjects as well.

Roger Merriman

On Monday, May 29, 2023 at 10:46:37 AM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
> Sir Ridesalot <i_am_cyc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> > On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 2:08:38 p.m. UTC-5, Roger Meriman wrote:
> >> Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 26 May 2023 08:16:57 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Thu, 25 May 2023 18:06:42 -0000 (UTC), pH <wNOS...@gmail.org>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> How knows, maybe it'll be so popular that we'll have moderated groups
> >>>>> again...I wonder if any of those are left....
> >>>>>
> >>>>> pH in Aptos
> >>>
> >>>> I don't like moderated Usenet groups...
> >>>
> >>> Sorry, I was interrupted by a phone call.
> >>>
> >>> One more item on moderation. One of the goals of moderation was to
> >>> limit off-topic discussions. However, when the moderation was being
> >>> organized, moderation details soon became the prime (and probably
> >>> sole) topic of discussion. A day didn't drift by without at least one
> >>> complaint about excessive or insufficient moderation. Instead of
> >>> off-topic political discussions, we had off-topic moderation
> >>> discussions. This is not progress.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Yup that was my experience as well Usenet didn’t really work well
> >> moderated, plus the cycling one just became one man’s fiefdom and died.
> >
> > Check out the other rec.bicycles newsgroups and you'll see that most of
> > them are just spam nowadays. Darn little bicycling related content in most of them.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> Similar across other subjects as well.
>
> Roger Merriman

Subject drift is normal isn't it? Or perhaps people don't have minds to think with. If you're in danger of theft from your account on Paypal which you use to pay for your Ebay bicycle parts shouldn't you know it? If the vaccines that most people took endanger them, shouldn't they know? Or perhaps like my younger brother he doesn't WANT to know that they screwed up and what to look out for?

Technically we probably shouldn't be talking about the Giro either. So that is another outlawed topic?

I think that we ought to let people talk about what they want to and then upbraid them if the subject is beneath contempt like Krygowski's anti-Constitutional gun crap. That is the fun part. It gives me something to laugh about on the harder rides.

On Monday, May 29, 2023 at 5:56:08 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Monday, May 29, 2023 at 10:46:37 AM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
> > Sir Ridesalot <i_am_cyc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> > > On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 2:08:38 p.m. UTC-5, Roger Meriman wrote:
> > >> Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote:
> > >>> On Fri, 26 May 2023 08:16:57 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Thu, 25 May 2023 18:06:42 -0000 (UTC), pH <wNOS...@gmail.org>
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> How knows, maybe it'll be so popular that we'll have moderated groups
> > >>>>> again...I wonder if any of those are left....
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> pH in Aptos
> > >>>
> > >>>> I don't like moderated Usenet groups...
> > >>>
> > >>> Sorry, I was interrupted by a phone call.
> > >>>
> > >>> One more item on moderation. One of the goals of moderation was to
> > >>> limit off-topic discussions. However, when the moderation was being
> > >>> organized, moderation details soon became the prime (and probably
> > >>> sole) topic of discussion. A day didn't drift by without at least one
> > >>> complaint about excessive or insufficient moderation. Instead of
> > >>> off-topic political discussions, we had off-topic moderation
> > >>> discussions. This is not progress.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >> Yup that was my experience as well Usenet didn’t really work well
> > >> moderated, plus the cycling one just became one man’s fiefdom and died.
> > >
> > > Check out the other rec.bicycles newsgroups and you'll see that most of
> > > them are just spam nowadays. Darn little bicycling related content in most of them.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > Similar across other subjects as well.
> >
> > Roger Merriman
> Subject drift is normal isn't it? Or perhaps people don't have minds to think with. If you're in danger of theft from your account on Paypal which you use to pay for your Ebay bicycle parts shouldn't you know it? If the vaccines that most people took endanger them, shouldn't they know? Or perhaps like my younger brother he doesn't WANT to know that they screwed up and what to look out for?
>
> Technically we probably shouldn't be talking about the Giro either. So that is another outlawed topic?
>
> I think that we ought to let people talk about what they want to and then upbraid them if the subject is beneath contempt like Krygowski's anti-Constitutional gun crap. That is the fun part. It gives me something to laugh about on the harder rides.

I just did another 32 miles and 1400 feet of climbing This puts me about even with last year with over 50,000 meters of climbing in the last 12 months, I've been using Garmin Edges for about 3 1/2 years and in that time have covered over 800,000 km It just showed a message that I have started stronger this year than last but we'll see.

Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, May 29, 2023 at 10:46:37 AM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
>> Sir Ridesalot <i_am_cyc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>> On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 2:08:38 p.m. UTC-5, Roger Meriman wrote:
>>>> Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 26 May 2023 08:16:57 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 25 May 2023 18:06:42 -0000 (UTC), pH <wNOS...@gmail.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How knows, maybe it'll be so popular that we'll have moderated groups
>>>>>>> again...I wonder if any of those are left....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> pH in Aptos
>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't like moderated Usenet groups...
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, I was interrupted by a phone call.
>>>>>
>>>>> One more item on moderation. One of the goals of moderation was to
>>>>> limit off-topic discussions. However, when the moderation was being
>>>>> organized, moderation details soon became the prime (and probably
>>>>> sole) topic of discussion. A day didn't drift by without at least one
>>>>> complaint about excessive or insufficient moderation. Instead of
>>>>> off-topic political discussions, we had off-topic moderation
>>>>> discussions. This is not progress.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Yup that was my experience as well Usenet didn’t really work well
>>>> moderated, plus the cycling one just became one man’s fiefdom and died.
>>>
>>> Check out the other rec.bicycles newsgroups and you'll see that most of
>>> them are just spam nowadays. Darn little bicycling related content in most of them.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>> Similar across other subjects as well.
>>
>> Roger Merriman
>
> Subject drift is normal isn't it? Or perhaps people don't have minds to
> think with. If you're in danger of theft from your account on Paypal
> which you use to pay for your Ebay bicycle parts shouldn't you know it?
> If the vaccines that most people took endanger them, shouldn't they know?
> Or perhaps like my younger brother he doesn't WANT to know that they
> screwed up and what to look out for?
>
> Technically we probably shouldn't be talking about the Giro either. So
> that is another outlawed topic?
>
> I think that we ought to let people talk about what they want to and then
> upbraid them if the subject is beneath contempt like Krygowski's
> anti-Constitutional gun crap. That is the fun part. It gives me something
> to laugh about on the harder rides.
>

Subject drift is rather different to gun or so on threads that go nowhere
as no one is changing their minds just shouting at each other!

Roger Merriman

On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 12:42:57 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Monday, May 29, 2023 at 10:46:37 AM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
> >> Sir Ridesalot <i_am_cyc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> >>> On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 2:08:38 p.m. UTC-5, Roger Meriman wrote:
> >>>> Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Fri, 26 May 2023 08:16:57 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, 25 May 2023 18:06:42 -0000 (UTC), pH <wNOS...@gmail.org>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> How knows, maybe it'll be so popular that we'll have moderated groups
> >>>>>>> again...I wonder if any of those are left....
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> pH in Aptos
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I don't like moderated Usenet groups...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sorry, I was interrupted by a phone call.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> One more item on moderation. One of the goals of moderation was to
> >>>>> limit off-topic discussions. However, when the moderation was being
> >>>>> organized, moderation details soon became the prime (and probably
> >>>>> sole) topic of discussion. A day didn't drift by without at least one
> >>>>> complaint about excessive or insufficient moderation. Instead of
> >>>>> off-topic political discussions, we had off-topic moderation
> >>>>> discussions. This is not progress.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> Yup that was my experience as well Usenet didn’t really work well
> >>>> moderated, plus the cycling one just became one man’s fiefdom and died.
> >>>
> >>> Check out the other rec.bicycles newsgroups and you'll see that most of
> >>> them are just spam nowadays. Darn little bicycling related content in most of them.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers
> >>>
> >> Similar across other subjects as well.
> >>
> >> Roger Merriman
> >
> > Subject drift is normal isn't it? Or perhaps people don't have minds to
> > think with. If you're in danger of theft from your account on Paypal
> > which you use to pay for your Ebay bicycle parts shouldn't you know it?
> > If the vaccines that most people took endanger them, shouldn't they know?
> > Or perhaps like my younger brother he doesn't WANT to know that they
> > screwed up and what to look out for?
> >
> > Technically we probably shouldn't be talking about the Giro either. So
> > that is another outlawed topic?
> >
> > I think that we ought to let people talk about what they want to and then
> > upbraid them if the subject is beneath contempt like Krygowski's
> > anti-Constitutional gun crap. That is the fun part. It gives me something
> > to laugh about on the harder rides.
> >
> Subject drift is rather different to gun or so on threads that go nowhere
> as no one is changing their minds just shouting at each other!
>
> Roger Merriman

Well, on the original subject - I am having a harder and harder time riding this year. I just seem to be tired and working harder than ever and seldom feel good riding unless it's downwind on the flats. Sunday was into the wind for the entire ride. The wind clocked around from morning to afternoon. I worked hard at trying to ride at least cross wind as much as possible.

On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 9:18:10 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Monday, May 29, 2023 at 5:56:08 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Monday, May 29, 2023 at 10:46:37 AM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
> > > Sir Ridesalot <i_am_cyc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> > > > On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 2:08:38 p.m. UTC-5, Roger Meriman wrote:
> > > >> Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote:
> > > >>> On Fri, 26 May 2023 08:16:57 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio..com>
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> On Thu, 25 May 2023 18:06:42 -0000 (UTC), pH <wNOS...@gmail.org>
> > > >>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> How knows, maybe it'll be so popular that we'll have moderated groups
> > > >>>>> again...I wonder if any of those are left....
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> pH in Aptos
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> I don't like moderated Usenet groups...
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Sorry, I was interrupted by a phone call.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> One more item on moderation. One of the goals of moderation was to
> > > >>> limit off-topic discussions. However, when the moderation was being
> > > >>> organized, moderation details soon became the prime (and probably
> > > >>> sole) topic of discussion. A day didn't drift by without at least one
> > > >>> complaint about excessive or insufficient moderation. Instead of
> > > >>> off-topic political discussions, we had off-topic moderation
> > > >>> discussions. This is not progress.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >> Yup that was my experience as well Usenet didn’t really work well
> > > >> moderated, plus the cycling one just became one man’s fiefdom and died.
> > > >
> > > > Check out the other rec.bicycles newsgroups and you'll see that most of
> > > > them are just spam nowadays. Darn little bicycling related content in most of them.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > >
> > > Similar across other subjects as well.
> > >
> > > Roger Merriman
> > Subject drift is normal isn't it? Or perhaps people don't have minds to think with. If you're in danger of theft from your account on Paypal which you use to pay for your Ebay bicycle parts shouldn't you know it? If the vaccines that most people took endanger them, shouldn't they know? Or perhaps like my younger brother he doesn't WANT to know that they screwed up and what to look out for?
> >
> > Technically we probably shouldn't be talking about the Giro either. So that is another outlawed topic?
> >
> > I think that we ought to let people talk about what they want to and then upbraid them if the subject is beneath contempt like Krygowski's anti-Constitutional gun crap. That is the fun part. It gives me something to laugh about on the harder rides.
> I just did another 32 miles and 1400 feet of climbing This puts me about even with last year with over 50,000 meters of climbing in the last 12 months, I've been using Garmin Edges for about 3 1/2 years and in that time have covered over 800,000 km It just showed a message that I have started stronger this year than last but we'll see.

Eight hundred thousand kilometer in three and a half years?

Lou