On 7/31/2023 1:51 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Jul 2023 20:04:40 -0400, Frank Krygowski
> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> On 7/30/2023 7:12 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>
>>> The English do it differently:
>>> https://tricycleassociation.org.uk/
>>>
>>> also:
>>> http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/HWTRIKE.JPG
>>
>> I did a brief test ride on one of those many, many years ago. It seemed
>> extremely twitchy on the straight and very weird in turns. I thought it
>> would require learning a new set of reflexes.
>>
>> Perhaps thats why most in the photo wear crash helmets?
>
> Around here the high riding, two in the rear, three wheelers are
> generally referred to as "trailer park trikes." That, in my opinion,
> is one of the few places they are fit to be ridden.
>

Non-recreational models (industrial plants, aircraft
carriers) use that style.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 7/31/2023 8:04 AM, Roger Meriman wrote:
>
> Trikes as a general rule don’t fit in most cycle infrastructure unless it’s
> very new and wide otherwise there is always some pinch point that can’t be
> passed by trikes or wheelchairs often as well.

We've even had trouble getting out tandem through some terribly
positioned bollards on one bike trail. And I've seen folks having to
unhitch kiddie trailers to wiggle them around obstacles.

Cycles do come in a wide variety, and facility designers sometimes don't
remember that fact.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 08:48:00 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 7/31/2023 1:51 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> On Sun, 30 Jul 2023 20:04:40 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/30/2023 7:12 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The English do it differently:
>>>> https://tricycleassociation.org.uk/
>>>>
>>>> also:
>>>> http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/HWTRIKE.JPG
>>>
>>> I did a brief test ride on one of those many, many years ago. It seemed
>>> extremely twitchy on the straight and very weird in turns. I thought it
>>> would require learning a new set of reflexes.
>>>
>>> Perhaps thats why most in the photo wear crash helmets?
>>
>> Around here the high riding, two in the rear, three wheelers are
>> generally referred to as "trailer park trikes." That, in my opinion,
>> is one of the few places they are fit to be ridden.
>>
>
>Non-recreational models (industrial plants, aircraft
>carriers) use that style.

Again, different kinds of bike.

On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 11:36:15 AM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
>
> I’m bit younger so not quite there yet!
>
> Roger Merriman

Braggard.

On 7/31/2023 12:59 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 7/31/2023 8:04 AM, Roger Meriman wrote:
>>
>> Trikes as a general rule don’t fit in most cycle
>> infrastructure unless it’s
>> very new and wide otherwise there is always some pinch
>> point that can’t be
>> passed by trikes or wheelchairs often as well.
>
> We've even had trouble getting out tandem through some
> terribly positioned bollards on one bike trail. And I've
> seen folks having to unhitch kiddie trailers to wiggle them
> around obstacles.
>
> Cycles do come in a wide variety, and facility designers
> sometimes don't remember that fact.
>

Politician gets favorable press ('doing something for those
darned cyclists'), various contractors pad the projects just
as any other public project and kick back to the politicians
and the staff who write and contract. Mistresses all around
get new Mercedes. It's a win-win-win !

If anything gets built at all it's a miracle[1] and if one
ever were useful at a reasonable cost it would be headline
news. Don't hold your breath.

[1]
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-03-11/new-cost-estimate-for-high-speed-rail-puts-california-bullet-train-100-billion-in-the-red

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 12:04:25 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:

>John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 04:29:20 -0400, Catrike Rider
>> <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 14:52:23 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 02:51:08 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>> <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 30 Jul 2023 20:04:40 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/30/2023 7:12 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The English do it differently:
>>>>>>> https://tricycleassociation.org.uk/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> also:
>>>>>>> http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/HWTRIKE.JPG
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I did a brief test ride on one of those many, many years ago. It seemed
>>>>>> extremely twitchy on the straight and very weird in turns. I thought it
>>>>>> would require learning a new set of reflexes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Perhaps thats why most in the photo wear crash helmets?
>>>>>
>>>>> Around here the high riding, two in the rear, three wheelers are
>>>>> generally referred to as "trailer park trikes." That, in my opinion,
>>>>> is one of the few places they are fit to be ridden.
>>>>
>>>> On the street, too. :-)
>>>> https://tinyurl.com/yc5f43th
>>>
>>> Cargo bikes and people carriers are an altogather different kind of
>>> bike.
>>
>> Well :-) They are still a tricycle :-)
>
>Most I see are two wheelers Tern bikes https://www.ternbicycles.com which
>are a by the nature easier to use, be that storage or use, ie can access
>parks and other places that parents and kids would like to use. Which is
>the most often types using them.
>
>Trikes as a general rule don’t fit in most cycle infrastructure unless it’s
>very new and wide otherwise there is always some pinch point that can’t be
>passed by trikes or wheelchairs often as well.
>
>Roger Merrriman

Actually, I've never had a problem. I guess the trails here in Florida
are built to accomodate Trikes.

On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 15:42:06 -0400, Catrike Rider
<soloman@drafting.not> wrote:

>On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 12:04:25 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>wrote:
>
>>John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 04:29:20 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>> <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 14:52:23 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 02:51:08 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>> <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 30 Jul 2023 20:04:40 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 7/30/2023 7:12 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The English do it differently:
>>>>>>>> https://tricycleassociation.org.uk/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> also:
>>>>>>>> http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/HWTRIKE.JPG
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I did a brief test ride on one of those many, many years ago. It seemed
>>>>>>> extremely twitchy on the straight and very weird in turns. I thought it
>>>>>>> would require learning a new set of reflexes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Perhaps thats why most in the photo wear crash helmets?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Around here the high riding, two in the rear, three wheelers are
>>>>>> generally referred to as "trailer park trikes." That, in my opinion,
>>>>>> is one of the few places they are fit to be ridden.
>>>>>
>>>>> On the street, too. :-)
>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/yc5f43th
>>>>
>>>> Cargo bikes and people carriers are an altogather different kind of
>>>> bike.
>>>
>>> Well :-) They are still a tricycle :-)
>>
>>Most I see are two wheelers Tern bikes https://www.ternbicycles.com which
>>are a by the nature easier to use, be that storage or use, ie can access
>>parks and other places that parents and kids would like to use. Which is
>>the most often types using them.
>>
>>Trikes as a general rule don’t fit in most cycle infrastructure unless it’s
>>very new and wide otherwise there is always some pinch point that can’t be
>>passed by trikes or wheelchairs often as well.
>>
>>Roger Merrriman
>
>Actually, I've never had a problem. I guess the trails here in Florida
>are built to accomodate Trikes.

Actually, I never had any problems riding the Catrike in Ohio either.

On 7/31/2023 3:31 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 7/31/2023 12:59 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 7/31/2023 8:04 AM, Roger Meriman wrote:
>>>
>>> Trikes as a general rule don’t fit in most cycle
>>> infrastructure unless it’s
>>> very new and wide otherwise there is always some pinch
>>> point that can’t be
>>> passed by trikes or wheelchairs often as well.
>>
>> We've even had trouble getting out tandem through some
>> terribly positioned bollards on one bike trail. And I've
>> seen folks having to unhitch kiddie trailers to wiggle them
>> around obstacles.
>>
>> Cycles do come in a wide variety, and facility designers
>> sometimes don't  remember that fact.
>>
>
> Politician gets favorable press ('doing something for those darned
> cyclists'), various contractors pad the projects just as any other
> public project and kick back to the politicians and the staff who write
> and contract. Mistresses all around get new Mercedes. It's a win-win-win !
>
> If anything gets built at all it's a miracle[1] and if one ever were
> useful at a reasonable cost it would be headline news. Don't hold your
> breath.

The specific example I was thinking of had none of those elements. It
was simply an ignorant designer with good intentions.

This was in the nearby metropark. The guy designing their bike
facilities has a degree in Landscape Architecture. When he was fresh out
of school and newly hired, he was told to design a bi-directional bike
lane on a park road - in my view, a fundamentally flawed concept, as
usual. He decided that it was necessary to physically keep cars out by
planting chunks of telephone poles across the path at 20+ locations,
four of them side by side at each location, with something like 28"
between them. Unacceptable by AASHTO standards, and stupid by any standard.

I spent years trying to educate him on that and other matters until he
retired, but it did little good. The tandem problem happened years later
at the entrance to another similar path. By then I'd convinced him that
at if posts were necessary (which they were not) at least the AASHTO
minimum spacing was necessary. But the start of this new segment was in
a weirdly narrow spot, and he angled the line of posts in such a way
that we couldn't ride through them with the tandem. We had to dismount,
or at best "scooter" through with our feet on the ground.

Trouble was, he actually was a really nice guy and sincerely believed he
was doing what was best. There were no kickbacks or politics involved.
He just had zero knowledge or experience about riding a bike.

BTW, just before he retired, I and some other cyclists finally got the
metropark board of trustees to agree that all future facilities would
meet AASHTO standards. Those standards are far from perfect, but at the
time they were far better than what this guy was drawing up.

--
- Frank Krygowski

Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 12:04:25 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
> wrote:
>
>> John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 04:29:20 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>> <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 14:52:23 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 02:51:08 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>> <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 30 Jul 2023 20:04:40 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 7/30/2023 7:12 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The English do it differently:
>>>>>>>> https://tricycleassociation.org.uk/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> also:
>>>>>>>> http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/HWTRIKE.JPG
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I did a brief test ride on one of those many, many years ago. It seemed
>>>>>>> extremely twitchy on the straight and very weird in turns. I thought it
>>>>>>> would require learning a new set of reflexes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Perhaps thats why most in the photo wear crash helmets?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Around here the high riding, two in the rear, three wheelers are
>>>>>> generally referred to as "trailer park trikes." That, in my opinion,
>>>>>> is one of the few places they are fit to be ridden.
>>>>>
>>>>> On the street, too. :-)
>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/yc5f43th
>>>>
>>>> Cargo bikes and people carriers are an altogather different kind of
>>>> bike.
>>>
>>> Well :-) They are still a tricycle :-)
>>
>> Most I see are two wheelers Tern bikes https://www.ternbicycles.com which
>> are a by the nature easier to use, be that storage or use, ie can access
>> parks and other places that parents and kids would like to use. Which is
>> the most often types using them.
>>
>> Trikes as a general rule don’t fit in most cycle infrastructure unless it’s
>> very new and wide otherwise there is always some pinch point that can’t be
>> passed by trikes or wheelchairs often as well.
>>
>> Roger Merrriman
>
> Actually, I've never had a problem. I guess the trails here in Florida
> are built to accomodate Trikes.
>
The trails are for most part fine, in terms of physical barriers, and in
general most organisations have kinda learnt that bikes aren’t just your
standard diamond frames, the problem is councils and parks/areas who will
want barriers as anti social motorbikes, though they seem to loosing that
argument, thankfully.

Roger Merriman

Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On 7/31/2023 8:04 AM, Roger Meriman wrote:
>>
>> Trikes as a general rule don’t fit in most cycle infrastructure unless it’s
>> very new and wide otherwise there is always some pinch point that can’t be
>> passed by trikes or wheelchairs often as well.
>
> We've even had trouble getting out tandem through some terribly
> positioned bollards on one bike trail. And I've seen folks having to
> unhitch kiddie trailers to wiggle them around obstacles.
>
> Cycles do come in a wide variety, and facility designers sometimes don't
> remember that fact.
>
Does depend hugely on area though in general the older the bike lanes etc
are the less likely you’ll manage unless your bike is standard.

More modern stuff around london is fine, other cyclists might have to wait
to overtake and so on. But trikes etc fit, as do ambulances in some places
which they use to by pass the traffic!

It’s the stuff few decades ago that is just narrow enough for a bike and
that’s it, with various pinch points etc.

Roger Merriman

On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 14:31:50 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 7/31/2023 12:59 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 7/31/2023 8:04 AM, Roger Meriman wrote:
>>>
>>> Trikes as a general rule don’t fit in most cycle
>>> infrastructure unless it’s
>>> very new and wide otherwise there is always some pinch
>>> point that can’t be
>>> passed by trikes or wheelchairs often as well.
>>
>> We've even had trouble getting out tandem through some
>> terribly positioned bollards on one bike trail. And I've
>> seen folks having to unhitch kiddie trailers to wiggle them
>> around obstacles.
>>
>> Cycles do come in a wide variety, and facility designers
>> sometimes don't remember that fact.
>>
>
>Politician gets favorable press ('doing something for those
>darned cyclists'), various contractors pad the projects just
>as any other public project and kick back to the politicians
>and the staff who write and contract. Mistresses all around
>get new Mercedes. It's a win-win-win !
>
>If anything gets built at all it's a miracle[1] and if one
>ever were useful at a reasonable cost it would be headline
>news. Don't hold your breath.
>
>
>[1]
>https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-03-11/new-cost-estimate-for-high-speed-rail-puts-california-bullet-train-100-billion-in-the-red

Well, why not? After all you live in the most expensive economy in the
world. You can't get the work done for 20 pennies when you pay 20
dollars to the guy doing it :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 08:48:00 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 7/31/2023 1:51 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> On Sun, 30 Jul 2023 20:04:40 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/30/2023 7:12 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The English do it differently:
>>>> https://tricycleassociation.org.uk/
>>>>
>>>> also:
>>>> http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/HWTRIKE.JPG
>>>
>>> I did a brief test ride on one of those many, many years ago. It seemed
>>> extremely twitchy on the straight and very weird in turns. I thought it
>>> would require learning a new set of reflexes.
>>>
>>> Perhaps thats why most in the photo wear crash helmets?
>>
>> Around here the high riding, two in the rear, three wheelers are
>> generally referred to as "trailer park trikes." That, in my opinion,
>> is one of the few places they are fit to be ridden.
>>
>
>Non-recreational models (industrial plants, aircraft
>carriers) use that style.

And even the human drawn rickshaw had, essentially one wheel in the
front and two in the rear, not to mention the Hansum Cab, mentioned by
Sherlock Holmes, and Roman chariot.

--
Cheers,

John B.

On 7/31/2023 4:50 PM, Roger Meriman wrote:
> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>> On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 12:04:25 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 04:29:20 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>> <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 14:52:23 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 02:51:08 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>> <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 30 Jul 2023 20:04:40 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 7/30/2023 7:12 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The English do it differently:
>>>>>>>>> https://tricycleassociation.org.uk/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> also:
>>>>>>>>> http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/HWTRIKE.JPG
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I did a brief test ride on one of those many, many years ago. It seemed
>>>>>>>> extremely twitchy on the straight and very weird in turns. I thought it
>>>>>>>> would require learning a new set of reflexes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Perhaps thats why most in the photo wear crash helmets?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Around here the high riding, two in the rear, three wheelers are
>>>>>>> generally referred to as "trailer park trikes." That, in my opinion,
>>>>>>> is one of the few places they are fit to be ridden.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On the street, too. :-)
>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/yc5f43th
>>>>>
>>>>> Cargo bikes and people carriers are an altogather different kind of
>>>>> bike.
>>>>
>>>> Well :-) They are still a tricycle :-)
>>>
>>> Most I see are two wheelers Tern bikes https://www.ternbicycles.com which
>>> are a by the nature easier to use, be that storage or use, ie can access
>>> parks and other places that parents and kids would like to use. Which is
>>> the most often types using them.
>>>
>>> Trikes as a general rule donÂ’t fit in most cycle infrastructure unless itÂ’s
>>> very new and wide otherwise there is always some pinch point that canÂ’t be
>>> passed by trikes or wheelchairs often as well.
>>>
>>> Roger Merrriman
>>
>> Actually, I've never had a problem. I guess the trails here in Florida
>> are built to accomodate Trikes.
>>
> The trails are for most part fine, in terms of physical barriers, and in
> general most organisations have kinda learnt that bikes aren’t just your
> standard diamond frames, the problem is councils and parks/areas who will
> want barriers as anti social motorbikes, though they seem to loosing that
> argument, thankfully.
>
> Roger Merriman
>
>

IME these guys:

https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/NlpOn/s4/mongols.jpg

ride wherever the hell they feel like at the moment. Design
or signage notwithstanding.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 7/31/2023 6:12 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 08:48:00 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 7/31/2023 1:51 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>> On Sun, 30 Jul 2023 20:04:40 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 7/30/2023 7:12 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The English do it differently:
>>>>> https://tricycleassociation.org.uk/
>>>>>
>>>>> also:
>>>>> http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/HWTRIKE.JPG
>>>>
>>>> I did a brief test ride on one of those many, many years ago. It seemed
>>>> extremely twitchy on the straight and very weird in turns. I thought it
>>>> would require learning a new set of reflexes.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps thats why most in the photo wear crash helmets?
>>>
>>> Around here the high riding, two in the rear, three wheelers are
>>> generally referred to as "trailer park trikes." That, in my opinion,
>>> is one of the few places they are fit to be ridden.
>>>
>>
>> Non-recreational models (industrial plants, aircraft
>> carriers) use that style.
>
> And even the human drawn rickshaw had, essentially one wheel in the
> front and two in the rear, not to mention the Hansum Cab, mentioned by
> Sherlock Holmes, and Roman chariot.
>

??

My understanding of Hansoms and chariots is two wheels, left
and right, not three.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 14:50:27 -0400, Catrike Rider
<soloman@drafting.not> wrote:

>On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 08:48:00 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>>On 7/31/2023 1:51 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>> On Sun, 30 Jul 2023 20:04:40 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 7/30/2023 7:12 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The English do it differently:
>>>>> https://tricycleassociation.org.uk/
>>>>>
>>>>> also:
>>>>> http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/HWTRIKE.JPG
>>>>
>>>> I did a brief test ride on one of those many, many years ago. It seemed
>>>> extremely twitchy on the straight and very weird in turns. I thought it
>>>> would require learning a new set of reflexes.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps thats why most in the photo wear crash helmets?
>>>
>>> Around here the high riding, two in the rear, three wheelers are
>>> generally referred to as "trailer park trikes." That, in my opinion,
>>> is one of the few places they are fit to be ridden.
>>>
>>
>>Non-recreational models (industrial plants, aircraft
>>carriers) use that style.
>
>Again, different kinds of bike.

Well.... three wheels? A tri cycle?
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 19:09:12 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 7/31/2023 6:12 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 08:48:00 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/31/2023 1:51 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 30 Jul 2023 20:04:40 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 7/30/2023 7:12 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The English do it differently:
>>>>>> https://tricycleassociation.org.uk/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> also:
>>>>>> http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/HWTRIKE.JPG
>>>>>
>>>>> I did a brief test ride on one of those many, many years ago. It seemed
>>>>> extremely twitchy on the straight and very weird in turns. I thought it
>>>>> would require learning a new set of reflexes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps thats why most in the photo wear crash helmets?
>>>>
>>>> Around here the high riding, two in the rear, three wheelers are
>>>> generally referred to as "trailer park trikes." That, in my opinion,
>>>> is one of the few places they are fit to be ridden.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Non-recreational models (industrial plants, aircraft
>>> carriers) use that style.
>>
>> And even the human drawn rickshaw had, essentially one wheel in the
>> front and two in the rear, not to mention the Hansum Cab, mentioned by
>> Sherlock Holmes, and Roman chariot.
>>
>
>??
>
>My understanding of Hansoms and chariots is two wheels, left
>and right, not three.

But they don't go until you put the "third wheel" in the front of them
:-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Tue, 01 Aug 2023 07:22:33 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 14:50:27 -0400, Catrike Rider
><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 08:48:00 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>>On 7/31/2023 1:51 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 30 Jul 2023 20:04:40 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 7/30/2023 7:12 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The English do it differently:
>>>>>> https://tricycleassociation.org.uk/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> also:
>>>>>> http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/HWTRIKE.JPG
>>>>>
>>>>> I did a brief test ride on one of those many, many years ago. It seemed
>>>>> extremely twitchy on the straight and very weird in turns. I thought it
>>>>> would require learning a new set of reflexes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps thats why most in the photo wear crash helmets?
>>>>
>>>> Around here the high riding, two in the rear, three wheelers are
>>>> generally referred to as "trailer park trikes." That, in my opinion,
>>>> is one of the few places they are fit to be ridden.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Non-recreational models (industrial plants, aircraft
>>>carriers) use that style.
>>
>>Again, different kinds of bike.
>
>Well.... three wheels? A tri cycle?

Indeed, but not what I call trailer park trikes. That's a specific
kind of trike.

On Tue, 01 Aug 2023 02:55:21 -0400, Catrike Rider
<soloman@drafting.not> wrote:

>On Tue, 01 Aug 2023 07:22:33 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 14:50:27 -0400, Catrike Rider
>><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 08:48:00 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 7/31/2023 1:51 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 30 Jul 2023 20:04:40 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/30/2023 7:12 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The English do it differently:
>>>>>>> https://tricycleassociation.org.uk/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> also:
>>>>>>> http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/HWTRIKE.JPG
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I did a brief test ride on one of those many, many years ago. It seemed
>>>>>> extremely twitchy on the straight and very weird in turns. I thought it
>>>>>> would require learning a new set of reflexes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Perhaps thats why most in the photo wear crash helmets?
>>>>>
>>>>> Around here the high riding, two in the rear, three wheelers are
>>>>> generally referred to as "trailer park trikes." That, in my opinion,
>>>>> is one of the few places they are fit to be ridden.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Non-recreational models (industrial plants, aircraft
>>>>carriers) use that style.
>>>
>>>Again, different kinds of bike.
>>
>>Well.... three wheels? A tri cycle?
>
>Indeed, but not what I call trailer park trikes. That's a specific
>kind of trike.

Or maybe a Racing Trike?
https://tinyurl.com/zjatuknw

:-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Tue, 01 Aug 2023 15:06:12 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Tue, 01 Aug 2023 02:55:21 -0400, Catrike Rider
><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 01 Aug 2023 07:22:33 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 14:50:27 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 08:48:00 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On 7/31/2023 1:51 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 30 Jul 2023 20:04:40 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 7/30/2023 7:12 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The English do it differently:
>>>>>>>> https://tricycleassociation.org.uk/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> also:
>>>>>>>> http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/HWTRIKE.JPG
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I did a brief test ride on one of those many, many years ago. It seemed
>>>>>>> extremely twitchy on the straight and very weird in turns. I thought it
>>>>>>> would require learning a new set of reflexes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Perhaps thats why most in the photo wear crash helmets?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Around here the high riding, two in the rear, three wheelers are
>>>>>> generally referred to as "trailer park trikes." That, in my opinion,
>>>>>> is one of the few places they are fit to be ridden.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Non-recreational models (industrial plants, aircraft
>>>>>carriers) use that style.
>>>>
>>>>Again, different kinds of bike.
>>>
>>>Well.... three wheels? A tri cycle?
>>
>>Indeed, but not what I call trailer park trikes. That's a specific
>>kind of trike.
>
>Or maybe a Racing Trike?
>https://tinyurl.com/zjatuknw
>
>:-)

This is what I am referring to as a trailer park trike.

AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> On 7/31/2023 4:50 PM, Roger Meriman wrote:
>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 12:04:25 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 04:29:20 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>> <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 14:52:23 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 02:51:08 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>> <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 30 Jul 2023 20:04:40 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 7/30/2023 7:12 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The English do it differently:
>>>>>>>>>> https://tricycleassociation.org.uk/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> also:
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/HWTRIKE.JPG
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I did a brief test ride on one of those many, many years ago. It seemed
>>>>>>>>> extremely twitchy on the straight and very weird in turns. I thought it
>>>>>>>>> would require learning a new set of reflexes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Perhaps thats why most in the photo wear crash helmets?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Around here the high riding, two in the rear, three wheelers are
>>>>>>>> generally referred to as "trailer park trikes." That, in my opinion,
>>>>>>>> is one of the few places they are fit to be ridden.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On the street, too. :-)
>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/yc5f43th
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cargo bikes and people carriers are an altogather different kind of
>>>>>> bike.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well :-) They are still a tricycle :-)
>>>>
>>>> Most I see are two wheelers Tern bikes https://www.ternbicycles.com which
>>>> are a by the nature easier to use, be that storage or use, ie can access
>>>> parks and other places that parents and kids would like to use. Which is
>>>> the most often types using them.
>>>>
>>>> Trikes as a general rule donÂ’t fit in most cycle infrastructure unless itÂ’s
>>>> very new and wide otherwise there is always some pinch point that canÂ’t be
>>>> passed by trikes or wheelchairs often as well.
>>>>
>>>> Roger Merrriman
>>>
>>> Actually, I've never had a problem. I guess the trails here in Florida
>>> are built to accomodate Trikes.
>>>
>> The trails are for most part fine, in terms of physical barriers, and in
>> general most organisations have kinda learnt that bikes aren’t just your
>> standard diamond frames, the problem is councils and parks/areas who will
>> want barriers as anti social motorbikes, though they seem to loosing that
>> argument, thankfully.
>>
>> Roger Merriman
>>
>>
>
>
> IME these guys:
>
> https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/NlpOn/s4/mongols.jpg
>
> ride wherever the hell they feel like at the moment. Design
> or signage notwithstanding.
>
Ha definitely not, more your moped or illegal E bikes and so on, almost
always a small group of teens.

Roger Merriman

On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 9:31:43 PM UTC+1, Roger Meriman wrote:
> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >
> > Going over my Catrike Expedition after my last ride, I noticed that
> > one of the steel pedal extenders had some rust on it, so this morning
> > I took both of them off the Catrike for a little clean up and paint.
> > The extenders came off the cranks just fine, but separating them from
> > the pedals was not so easy, even in a vice. I chose not to put a
> > helper bar on the wrench, I hate doing that, and instead hit them with
> > penetrating oil. A quick check of the pedals also revealed a little
> > resistance on the left one. I pulled the inner shafts out and hit the
> > bearings with grease, which solved that problem.
> >
> > The pedals and extenders are eight and a half years old with 20K miles
> > on them, and I decided to put them back on and use them for now.
> > They'll probably come apart easy when the new ones got here. The
> > pedals are Shimano, I don't know the model number, but the new ones
> > are Shimano PDED500, and look just like them, so that's probably what
> > they are. They'll go in my spare bin. They'll clean up just fine.
> >
> > A quick check of the Wellgo pedals on my wife's Pocket, and one of
> > them wasn't spinning so good.. I'm not going to bother taking them
> > apart... so new pedals fo her too. Some Shimano Flat pedals, Shimano
> > PD-EF202.
> >
> You certainly get longer life than my bikes! The commute bike the DMR (MTB
> flat pedals) got just shy of 10k miles. Neither of the MTB or Gravel bikes
> are likely to last that long, tend to get the paint scraped off within a
> few hundred miles.
>
> Roger Merman
>
I use VP-191 block pedals on all my bikes. They're silky smooth forever, presumably because the bearings are most effectively sealed. Built-in reflectors. Their only downside is that they're a bit short for the width of my size twelves, so that their outside edge falls nearer the middle than the outside of my footsole. But, since I routinely wear sandals or shoes with very thick rubber soles, I feel no pain, and just automatically spec the VP-191 on every new bike. I've recommended them for yonks and never met anyone who didn't love them once they got used to them.
>
A question does arise, Catrike: Can you ride a recliner with block pedals?
>
Andre Jute
"The brain of an engineer is a delicate instrument which must be
protected against the unevenness of the ground." -- Wifredo-Pelayo
Ricart Medina explaining to Enzo Ferrari why he wore such inordinately
thick rubber soles.
>

On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 01:53:36 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
<fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 9:31:43?PM UTC+1, Roger Meriman wrote:
>> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>> >
>> > Going over my Catrike Expedition after my last ride, I noticed that
>> > one of the steel pedal extenders had some rust on it, so this morning
>> > I took both of them off the Catrike for a little clean up and paint.
>> > The extenders came off the cranks just fine, but separating them from
>> > the pedals was not so easy, even in a vice. I chose not to put a
>> > helper bar on the wrench, I hate doing that, and instead hit them with
>> > penetrating oil. A quick check of the pedals also revealed a little
>> > resistance on the left one. I pulled the inner shafts out and hit the
>> > bearings with grease, which solved that problem.
>> >
>> > The pedals and extenders are eight and a half years old with 20K miles
>> > on them, and I decided to put them back on and use them for now.
>> > They'll probably come apart easy when the new ones got here. The
>> > pedals are Shimano, I don't know the model number, but the new ones
>> > are Shimano PDED500, and look just like them, so that's probably what
>> > they are. They'll go in my spare bin. They'll clean up just fine.
>> >
>> > A quick check of the Wellgo pedals on my wife's Pocket, and one of
>> > them wasn't spinning so good.. I'm not going to bother taking them
>> > apart... so new pedals fo her too. Some Shimano Flat pedals, Shimano
>> > PD-EF202.
>> >
>> You certainly get longer life than my bikes! The commute bike the DMR (MTB
>> flat pedals) got just shy of 10k miles. Neither of the MTB or Gravel bikes
>> are likely to last that long, tend to get the paint scraped off within a
>> few hundred miles.
>>
>> Roger Merman
>>
>I use VP-191 block pedals on all my bikes. They're silky smooth forever, presumably because the bearings are most effectively sealed. Built-in reflectors. Their only downside is that they're a bit short for the width of my size twelves, so that their outside edge falls nearer the middle than the outside of my footsole. But, since I routinely wear sandals or shoes with very thick rubber soles, I feel no pain, and just automatically spec the VP-191 on every new bike. I've recommended them for yonks and never met anyone who didn't love them once they got used to them.
>>
>A question does arise, Catrike: Can you ride a recliner with block pedals?

I have lots of trouble if I'm not clipped in. Of course some people
can and do ride trikes with flat pedals, but it's not recommended. The
problem is that on some reclined bikes like mine, your feet are out in
front of you instead of underneath you, and it's very easy for your
feet to slip off the pedals. When that happens your feet might hit and
stick to the ground and you'll run over them with the trike's cross
arms. My wife got a bad bruise on her calf before I convinced her to
clip in, but I have heard of people breaking their leg.

She always hated clipping in, and now that she only rides indoors on
rollers, she'll be using flat pedals again.

>Andre Jute
>"The brain of an engineer is a delicate instrument which must be
>protected against the unevenness of the ground." -- Wifredo-Pelayo
>Ricart Medina explaining to Enzo Ferrari why he wore such inordinately
>thick rubber soles.
>>

Andre Jute <fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 9:31:43 PM UTC+1, Roger Meriman wrote:
>> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>
>>> Going over my Catrike Expedition after my last ride, I noticed that
>>> one of the steel pedal extenders had some rust on it, so this morning
>>> I took both of them off the Catrike for a little clean up and paint.
>>> The extenders came off the cranks just fine, but separating them from
>>> the pedals was not so easy, even in a vice. I chose not to put a
>>> helper bar on the wrench, I hate doing that, and instead hit them with
>>> penetrating oil. A quick check of the pedals also revealed a little
>>> resistance on the left one. I pulled the inner shafts out and hit the
>>> bearings with grease, which solved that problem.
>>>
>>> The pedals and extenders are eight and a half years old with 20K miles
>>> on them, and I decided to put them back on and use them for now.
>>> They'll probably come apart easy when the new ones got here. The
>>> pedals are Shimano, I don't know the model number, but the new ones
>>> are Shimano PDED500, and look just like them, so that's probably what
>>> they are. They'll go in my spare bin. They'll clean up just fine.
>>>
>>> A quick check of the Wellgo pedals on my wife's Pocket, and one of
>>> them wasn't spinning so good.. I'm not going to bother taking them
>>> apart... so new pedals fo her too. Some Shimano Flat pedals, Shimano
>>> PD-EF202.
>>>
>> You certainly get longer life than my bikes! The commute bike the DMR (MTB
>> flat pedals) got just shy of 10k miles. Neither of the MTB or Gravel bikes
>> are likely to last that long, tend to get the paint scraped off within a
>> few hundred miles.
>>
>> Roger Merman
>>
> I use VP-191 block pedals on all my bikes. They're silky smooth forever,
> presumably because the bearings are most effectively sealed. Built-in
> reflectors. Their only downside is that they're a bit short for the width
> of my size twelves, so that their outside edge falls nearer the middle
> than the outside of my footsole. But, since I routinely wear sandals or
> shoes with very thick rubber soles, I feel no pain, and just
> automatically spec the VP-191 on every new bike. I've recommended them
> for yonks and never met anyone who didn't love them once they got used to them.

DMR pedals are sealed it’s more the gunk I ride in, though they last good
few years, can be rebuilt the bearing though I’ve rarely done so as the
pedal is generally fairly done by then anyway.

https://www.dmrbikes.com/Catalogue/Pedals/V12-2/V12

Realistically for flat pedal riding ie MTB/Gravel riding I need something
which is pinned as even with proper flat shoes with sticky ie soft rubber
sole’s you just slide on the pedals particularly when wet, okay around town
but even there I prefer having similar pinned pedals as the blocks could
slide if suitably wet.

They are broadly the type of pedals I used way back riding the hills pre
proper pinned pedals.
>>
> A question does arise, Catrike: Can you ride a recliner with block pedals?

Not unless has clip ie to hold the shoe to the pedal, he has said of the
dangers if your foot slips off.
>>
> Andre Jute
> "The brain of an engineer is a delicate instrument which must be
> protected against the unevenness of the ground." -- Wifredo-Pelayo
> Ricart Medina explaining to Enzo Ferrari why he wore such inordinately
> thick rubber soles.
>>
>
Roger Merriman

On 8/4/2023 4:29 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 01:53:36 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
> <fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 9:31:43?PM UTC+1, Roger Meriman wrote:
>>> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Going over my Catrike Expedition after my last ride, I noticed that
>>>> one of the steel pedal extenders had some rust on it, so this morning
>>>> I took both of them off the Catrike for a little clean up and paint.
>>>> The extenders came off the cranks just fine, but separating them from
>>>> the pedals was not so easy, even in a vice. I chose not to put a
>>>> helper bar on the wrench, I hate doing that, and instead hit them with
>>>> penetrating oil. A quick check of the pedals also revealed a little
>>>> resistance on the left one. I pulled the inner shafts out and hit the
>>>> bearings with grease, which solved that problem.
>>>>
>>>> The pedals and extenders are eight and a half years old with 20K miles
>>>> on them, and I decided to put them back on and use them for now.
>>>> They'll probably come apart easy when the new ones got here. The
>>>> pedals are Shimano, I don't know the model number, but the new ones
>>>> are Shimano PDED500, and look just like them, so that's probably what
>>>> they are. They'll go in my spare bin. They'll clean up just fine.
>>>>
>>>> A quick check of the Wellgo pedals on my wife's Pocket, and one of
>>>> them wasn't spinning so good.. I'm not going to bother taking them
>>>> apart... so new pedals fo her too. Some Shimano Flat pedals, Shimano
>>>> PD-EF202.
>>>>
>>> You certainly get longer life than my bikes! The commute bike the DMR (MTB
>>> flat pedals) got just shy of 10k miles. Neither of the MTB or Gravel bikes
>>> are likely to last that long, tend to get the paint scraped off within a
>>> few hundred miles.
>>>
>>> Roger Merman
>>>
>> I use VP-191 block pedals on all my bikes. They're silky smooth forever, presumably because the bearings are most effectively sealed. Built-in reflectors. Their only downside is that they're a bit short for the width of my size twelves, so that their outside edge falls nearer the middle than the outside of my footsole. But, since I routinely wear sandals or shoes with very thick rubber soles, I feel no pain, and just automatically spec the VP-191 on every new bike. I've recommended them for yonks and never met anyone who didn't love them once they got used to them.
>>>
>> A question does arise, Catrike: Can you ride a recliner with block pedals?
>
> I have lots of trouble if I'm not clipped in. Of course some people
> can and do ride trikes with flat pedals, but it's not recommended. The
> problem is that on some reclined bikes like mine, your feet are out in
> front of you instead of underneath you, and it's very easy for your
> feet to slip off the pedals. When that happens your feet might hit and
> stick to the ground and you'll run over them with the trike's cross
> arms. My wife got a bad bruise on her calf before I convinced her to
> clip in, but I have heard of people breaking their leg.
>
> She always hated clipping in, and now that she only rides indoors on
> rollers, she'll be using flat pedals again.
>
>> Andre Jute
>> "The brain of an engineer is a delicate instrument which must be
>> protected against the unevenness of the ground." -- Wifredo-Pelayo
>> Ricart Medina explaining to Enzo Ferrari why he wore such inordinately
>> thick rubber soles.
>>>

I think there are compelling practical reasons for a
click-in pedal system on your vehicle. Simple platforms on
that design have inherent risk of injury.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 10:29:55 AM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 01:53:36 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
> <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 9:31:43?PM UTC+1, Roger Meriman wrote:
> >> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Going over my Catrike Expedition after my last ride, I noticed that
> >> > one of the steel pedal extenders had some rust on it, so this morning
> >> > I took both of them off the Catrike for a little clean up and paint.
> >> > The extenders came off the cranks just fine, but separating them from
> >> > the pedals was not so easy, even in a vice. I chose not to put a
> >> > helper bar on the wrench, I hate doing that, and instead hit them with
> >> > penetrating oil. A quick check of the pedals also revealed a little
> >> > resistance on the left one. I pulled the inner shafts out and hit the
> >> > bearings with grease, which solved that problem.
> >> >
> >> > The pedals and extenders are eight and a half years old with 20K miles
> >> > on them, and I decided to put them back on and use them for now.
> >> > They'll probably come apart easy when the new ones got here. The
> >> > pedals are Shimano, I don't know the model number, but the new ones
> >> > are Shimano PDED500, and look just like them, so that's probably what
> >> > they are. They'll go in my spare bin. They'll clean up just fine.
> >> >
> >> > A quick check of the Wellgo pedals on my wife's Pocket, and one of
> >> > them wasn't spinning so good.. I'm not going to bother taking them
> >> > apart... so new pedals fo her too. Some Shimano Flat pedals, Shimano
> >> > PD-EF202.
> >> >
> >> You certainly get longer life than my bikes! The commute bike the DMR (MTB
> >> flat pedals) got just shy of 10k miles. Neither of the MTB or Gravel bikes
> >> are likely to last that long, tend to get the paint scraped off within a
> >> few hundred miles.
> >>
> >> Roger Merman
> >>
> >I use VP-191 block pedals on all my bikes. They're silky smooth forever, presumably because the bearings are most effectively sealed. Built-in reflectors. Their only downside is that they're a bit short for the width of my size twelves, so that their outside edge falls nearer the middle than the outside of my footsole. But, since I routinely wear sandals or shoes with very thick rubber soles, I feel no pain, and just automatically spec the VP-191 on every new bike. I've recommended them for yonks and never met anyone who didn't love them once they got used to them.
> >>
> >A question does arise, Catrike: Can you ride a recliner with block pedals?
> I have lots of trouble if I'm not clipped in. Of course some people
> can and do ride trikes with flat pedals, but it's not recommended. The
> problem is that on some reclined bikes like mine, your feet are out in
> front of you instead of underneath you, and it's very easy for your
> feet to slip off the pedals. When that happens your feet might hit and
> stick to the ground and you'll run over them with the trike's cross
> arms. My wife got a bad bruise on her calf before I convinced her to
> clip in, but I have heard of people breaking their leg.
>
> She always hated clipping in, and now that she only rides indoors on
> rollers, she'll be using flat pedals again.
> >Andre Jute
> >"The brain of an engineer is a delicate instrument which must be
> >protected against the unevenness of the ground." -- Wifredo-Pelayo
> >Ricart Medina explaining to Enzo Ferrari why he wore such inordinately
> >thick rubber soles.
> >>
Ah, so, thanks.
>
I've never given a full recliner a serious trial. I bought a Giant Revive semi-recliner on impulse but kept it only a couple of weeks before selling it to someone who stopped me on the road to make me an offer I couldn't refuse, nearly twice what I paid for the thing. I was happy to see it go. The small wheels didn't inspire confidence on the generally blacktop but rough lanes and small roads I ride, but most of all it reminded me too much of driving a Porsche in the city, with bus and big truck hubs above my sightline. Ironically, when I did get my ankles squashed it wasn't by a bus or a truck but an old Holden in the hands of a fat woman charging out of a side road and plowing right over my Bertone Spider -- and my ankles. -- AJ
>