On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 10:56:55 AM UTC+1, Roger Meriman wrote:
> Andre Jute <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 9:31:43 PM UTC+1, Roger Meriman wrote:
> >> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Going over my Catrike Expedition after my last ride, I noticed that
> >>> one of the steel pedal extenders had some rust on it, so this morning
> >>> I took both of them off the Catrike for a little clean up and paint.
> >>> The extenders came off the cranks just fine, but separating them from
> >>> the pedals was not so easy, even in a vice. I chose not to put a
> >>> helper bar on the wrench, I hate doing that, and instead hit them with
> >>> penetrating oil. A quick check of the pedals also revealed a little
> >>> resistance on the left one. I pulled the inner shafts out and hit the
> >>> bearings with grease, which solved that problem.
> >>>
> >>> The pedals and extenders are eight and a half years old with 20K miles
> >>> on them, and I decided to put them back on and use them for now.
> >>> They'll probably come apart easy when the new ones got here. The
> >>> pedals are Shimano, I don't know the model number, but the new ones
> >>> are Shimano PDED500, and look just like them, so that's probably what
> >>> they are. They'll go in my spare bin. They'll clean up just fine.
> >>>
> >>> A quick check of the Wellgo pedals on my wife's Pocket, and one of
> >>> them wasn't spinning so good.. I'm not going to bother taking them
> >>> apart... so new pedals fo her too. Some Shimano Flat pedals, Shimano
> >>> PD-EF202.
> >>>
> >> You certainly get longer life than my bikes! The commute bike the DMR (MTB
> >> flat pedals) got just shy of 10k miles. Neither of the MTB or Gravel bikes
> >> are likely to last that long, tend to get the paint scraped off within a
> >> few hundred miles.
> >>
> >> Roger Merman
> >>
> > I use VP-191 block pedals on all my bikes. They're silky smooth forever,
> > presumably because the bearings are most effectively sealed. Built-in
> > reflectors. Their only downside is that they're a bit short for the width
> > of my size twelves, so that their outside edge falls nearer the middle
> > than the outside of my footsole. But, since I routinely wear sandals or
> > shoes with very thick rubber soles, I feel no pain, and just
> > automatically spec the VP-191 on every new bike. I've recommended them
> > for yonks and never met anyone who didn't love them once they got used to them.
> DMR pedals are sealed it’s more the gunk I ride in, though they last good
> few years, can be rebuilt the bearing though I’ve rarely done so as the
> pedal is generally fairly done by then anyway.
>
> https://www.dmrbikes.com/Catalogue/Pedals/V12-2/V12
>
> Realistically for flat pedal riding ie MTB/Gravel riding I need something
> which is pinned as even with proper flat shoes with sticky ie soft rubber
> sole’s you just slide on the pedals particularly when wet, okay around town
> but even there I prefer having similar pinned pedals as the blocks could
> slide if suitably wet.
>
> They are broadly the type of pedals I used way back riding the hills pre
> proper pinned pedals.
> >>
> > A question does arise, Catrike: Can you ride a recliner with block pedals?
> Not unless has clip ie to hold the shoe to the pedal, he has said of the
> dangers if your foot slips off.
> >>
> > Andre Jute
> > "The brain of an engineer is a delicate instrument which must be
> > protected against the unevenness of the ground." -- Wifredo-Pelayo
> > Ricart Medina explaining to Enzo Ferrari why he wore such inordinately
> > thick rubber soles.
> >>
> >
> Roger Merman
>
Hah!. On advice from the group I looked at those V12 pedals the last time I specced a new bike, thirteen or so years ago, and wondered what the pins would do to my shins or calves at the slightest awkward stop -- and went back to my trusted VP-191. I'm happy to hear you confirm I made the right decision. -- AJ
>

On 8/4/2023 8:51 AM, Andre Jute wrote:
> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 10:56:55 AM UTC+1, Roger Meriman wrote:
>> Andre Jute <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 9:31:43 PM UTC+1, Roger Meriman wrote:
>>>> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Going over my Catrike Expedition after my last ride, I noticed that
>>>>> one of the steel pedal extenders had some rust on it, so this morning
>>>>> I took both of them off the Catrike for a little clean up and paint.
>>>>> The extenders came off the cranks just fine, but separating them from
>>>>> the pedals was not so easy, even in a vice. I chose not to put a
>>>>> helper bar on the wrench, I hate doing that, and instead hit them with
>>>>> penetrating oil. A quick check of the pedals also revealed a little
>>>>> resistance on the left one. I pulled the inner shafts out and hit the
>>>>> bearings with grease, which solved that problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> The pedals and extenders are eight and a half years old with 20K miles
>>>>> on them, and I decided to put them back on and use them for now.
>>>>> They'll probably come apart easy when the new ones got here. The
>>>>> pedals are Shimano, I don't know the model number, but the new ones
>>>>> are Shimano PDED500, and look just like them, so that's probably what
>>>>> they are. They'll go in my spare bin. They'll clean up just fine.
>>>>>
>>>>> A quick check of the Wellgo pedals on my wife's Pocket, and one of
>>>>> them wasn't spinning so good.. I'm not going to bother taking them
>>>>> apart... so new pedals fo her too. Some Shimano Flat pedals, Shimano
>>>>> PD-EF202.
>>>>>
>>>> You certainly get longer life than my bikes! The commute bike the DMR (MTB
>>>> flat pedals) got just shy of 10k miles. Neither of the MTB or Gravel bikes
>>>> are likely to last that long, tend to get the paint scraped off within a
>>>> few hundred miles.
>>>>
>>>> Roger Merman
>>>>
>>> I use VP-191 block pedals on all my bikes. They're silky smooth forever,
>>> presumably because the bearings are most effectively sealed. Built-in
>>> reflectors. Their only downside is that they're a bit short for the width
>>> of my size twelves, so that their outside edge falls nearer the middle
>>> than the outside of my footsole. But, since I routinely wear sandals or
>>> shoes with very thick rubber soles, I feel no pain, and just
>>> automatically spec the VP-191 on every new bike. I've recommended them
>>> for yonks and never met anyone who didn't love them once they got used to them.
>> DMR pedals are sealed it’s more the gunk I ride in, though they last good
>> few years, can be rebuilt the bearing though I’ve rarely done so as the
>> pedal is generally fairly done by then anyway.
>>
>> https://www.dmrbikes.com/Catalogue/Pedals/V12-2/V12
>>
>> Realistically for flat pedal riding ie MTB/Gravel riding I need something
>> which is pinned as even with proper flat shoes with sticky ie soft rubber
>> sole’s you just slide on the pedals particularly when wet, okay around town
>> but even there I prefer having similar pinned pedals as the blocks could
>> slide if suitably wet.
>>
>> They are broadly the type of pedals I used way back riding the hills pre
>> proper pinned pedals.
>>>>
>>> A question does arise, Catrike: Can you ride a recliner with block pedals?
>> Not unless has clip ie to hold the shoe to the pedal, he has said of the
>> dangers if your foot slips off.
>>>>
>>> Andre Jute
>>> "The brain of an engineer is a delicate instrument which must be
>>> protected against the unevenness of the ground." -- Wifredo-Pelayo
>>> Ricart Medina explaining to Enzo Ferrari why he wore such inordinately
>>> thick rubber soles.
>>>>
>>>
>> Roger Merman
>>
> Hah!. On advice from the group I looked at those V12 pedals the last time I specced a new bike, thirteen or so years ago, and wondered what the pins would do to my shins or calves at the slightest awkward stop -- and went back to my trusted VP-191. I'm happy to hear you confirm I made the right decision. -- AJ
>>

The pins are not a problem with a recumbent tricycle. Once
your foot slides off the pedal, the pavement just snaps
your ankle, far from those dangerous pins.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Andre Jute <fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 10:56:55 AM UTC+1, Roger Meriman wrote:
>> Andre Jute <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 9:31:43 PM UTC+1, Roger Meriman wrote:
>>>> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Going over my Catrike Expedition after my last ride, I noticed that
>>>>> one of the steel pedal extenders had some rust on it, so this morning
>>>>> I took both of them off the Catrike for a little clean up and paint.
>>>>> The extenders came off the cranks just fine, but separating them from
>>>>> the pedals was not so easy, even in a vice. I chose not to put a
>>>>> helper bar on the wrench, I hate doing that, and instead hit them with
>>>>> penetrating oil. A quick check of the pedals also revealed a little
>>>>> resistance on the left one. I pulled the inner shafts out and hit the
>>>>> bearings with grease, which solved that problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> The pedals and extenders are eight and a half years old with 20K miles
>>>>> on them, and I decided to put them back on and use them for now.
>>>>> They'll probably come apart easy when the new ones got here. The
>>>>> pedals are Shimano, I don't know the model number, but the new ones
>>>>> are Shimano PDED500, and look just like them, so that's probably what
>>>>> they are. They'll go in my spare bin. They'll clean up just fine.
>>>>>
>>>>> A quick check of the Wellgo pedals on my wife's Pocket, and one of
>>>>> them wasn't spinning so good.. I'm not going to bother taking them
>>>>> apart... so new pedals fo her too. Some Shimano Flat pedals, Shimano
>>>>> PD-EF202.
>>>>>
>>>> You certainly get longer life than my bikes! The commute bike the DMR (MTB
>>>> flat pedals) got just shy of 10k miles. Neither of the MTB or Gravel bikes
>>>> are likely to last that long, tend to get the paint scraped off within a
>>>> few hundred miles.
>>>>
>>>> Roger Merman
>>>>
>>> I use VP-191 block pedals on all my bikes. They're silky smooth forever,
>>> presumably because the bearings are most effectively sealed. Built-in
>>> reflectors. Their only downside is that they're a bit short for the width
>>> of my size twelves, so that their outside edge falls nearer the middle
>>> than the outside of my footsole. But, since I routinely wear sandals or
>>> shoes with very thick rubber soles, I feel no pain, and just
>>> automatically spec the VP-191 on every new bike. I've recommended them
>>> for yonks and never met anyone who didn't love them once they got used to them.
>> DMR pedals are sealed it’s more the gunk I ride in, though they last good
>> few years, can be rebuilt the bearing though I’ve rarely done so as the
>> pedal is generally fairly done by then anyway.
>>
>> https://www.dmrbikes.com/Catalogue/Pedals/V12-2/V12
>>
>> Realistically for flat pedal riding ie MTB/Gravel riding I need something
>> which is pinned as even with proper flat shoes with sticky ie soft rubber
>> sole’s you just slide on the pedals particularly when wet, okay around town
>> but even there I prefer having similar pinned pedals as the blocks could
>> slide if suitably wet.
>>
>> They are broadly the type of pedals I used way back riding the hills pre
>> proper pinned pedals.
>>>>
>>> A question does arise, Catrike: Can you ride a recliner with block pedals?
>> Not unless has clip ie to hold the shoe to the pedal, he has said of the
>> dangers if your foot slips off.
>>>>
>>> Andre Jute
>>> "The brain of an engineer is a delicate instrument which must be
>>> protected against the unevenness of the ground." -- Wifredo-Pelayo
>>> Ricart Medina explaining to Enzo Ferrari why he wore such inordinately
>>> thick rubber soles.
>>>>
>>>
>> Roger Merman
>>
> Hah!. On advice from the group I looked at those V12 pedals the last time
> I specced a new bike, thirteen or so years ago, and wondered what the
> pins would do to my shins or calves at the slightest awkward stop -- and
> went back to my trusted VP-191. I'm happy to hear you confirm I made the
> right decision. -- AJ
>>
>
You don’t slide at all with V12 at all clearly if you did they will well
rip skin…

But the pins are intended to grip shoes and stuff like five-tens are
designed to stick to well pedals, which also are concave so your shoe will
naturally sit in that.

So the pedal/shoe are not going anywhere, in general you have to lift than
slide the shoes, as they will not freely slide across the pedal.

Which is why I use them even on the commute bike though the smaller less
grippy V8 version as even in the wettest day I’m not slipping on the pedals
which I found block and road type flats to be prone to, hence the move to
clipless on the road market what 80%?

Where as on MTB side it’s probably 60/40 or so? Clipless/flats more
technical type of riding more likely to be flats more XC more clipless.

In the middle ie trail type MTB clipless gives a locked in feeling, flats
more “Yoda feel the force” ie less performance more preference.

Roger Merriman

On Fri, 04 Aug 2023 08:31:36 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 8/4/2023 4:29 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 01:53:36 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>> <fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 9:31:43?PM UTC+1, Roger Meriman wrote:
>>>> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Going over my Catrike Expedition after my last ride, I noticed that
>>>>> one of the steel pedal extenders had some rust on it, so this morning
>>>>> I took both of them off the Catrike for a little clean up and paint.
>>>>> The extenders came off the cranks just fine, but separating them from
>>>>> the pedals was not so easy, even in a vice. I chose not to put a
>>>>> helper bar on the wrench, I hate doing that, and instead hit them with
>>>>> penetrating oil. A quick check of the pedals also revealed a little
>>>>> resistance on the left one. I pulled the inner shafts out and hit the
>>>>> bearings with grease, which solved that problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> The pedals and extenders are eight and a half years old with 20K miles
>>>>> on them, and I decided to put them back on and use them for now.
>>>>> They'll probably come apart easy when the new ones got here. The
>>>>> pedals are Shimano, I don't know the model number, but the new ones
>>>>> are Shimano PDED500, and look just like them, so that's probably what
>>>>> they are. They'll go in my spare bin. They'll clean up just fine.
>>>>>
>>>>> A quick check of the Wellgo pedals on my wife's Pocket, and one of
>>>>> them wasn't spinning so good.. I'm not going to bother taking them
>>>>> apart... so new pedals fo her too. Some Shimano Flat pedals, Shimano
>>>>> PD-EF202.
>>>>>
>>>> You certainly get longer life than my bikes! The commute bike the DMR (MTB
>>>> flat pedals) got just shy of 10k miles. Neither of the MTB or Gravel bikes
>>>> are likely to last that long, tend to get the paint scraped off within a
>>>> few hundred miles.
>>>>
>>>> Roger Merman
>>>>
>>> I use VP-191 block pedals on all my bikes. They're silky smooth forever, presumably because the bearings are most effectively sealed. Built-in reflectors. Their only downside is that they're a bit short for the width of my size twelves, so that their outside edge falls nearer the middle than the outside of my footsole. But, since I routinely wear sandals or shoes with very thick rubber soles, I feel no pain, and just automatically spec the VP-191 on every new bike. I've recommended them for yonks and never met anyone who didn't love them once they got used to them.
>>>>
>>> A question does arise, Catrike: Can you ride a recliner with block pedals?
>>
>> I have lots of trouble if I'm not clipped in. Of course some people
>> can and do ride trikes with flat pedals, but it's not recommended. The
>> problem is that on some reclined bikes like mine, your feet are out in
>> front of you instead of underneath you, and it's very easy for your
>> feet to slip off the pedals. When that happens your feet might hit and
>> stick to the ground and you'll run over them with the trike's cross
>> arms. My wife got a bad bruise on her calf before I convinced her to
>> clip in, but I have heard of people breaking their leg.
>>
>> She always hated clipping in, and now that she only rides indoors on
>> rollers, she'll be using flat pedals again.
>>
>>> Andre Jute
>>> "The brain of an engineer is a delicate instrument which must be
>>> protected against the unevenness of the ground." -- Wifredo-Pelayo
>>> Ricart Medina explaining to Enzo Ferrari why he wore such inordinately
>>> thick rubber soles.
>>>>
>
>I think there are compelling practical reasons for a
>click-in pedal system on your vehicle. Simple platforms on
>that design have inherent risk of injury.

+1

On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 3:58:24 PM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote:
> On 8/4/2023 8:51 AM, Andre Jute wrote:
> > On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 10:56:55 AM UTC+1, Roger Meriman wrote:
> >> Andre Jute <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 9:31:43 PM UTC+1, Roger Meriman wrote:
> >>>> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Going over my Catrike Expedition after my last ride, I noticed that
> >>>>> one of the steel pedal extenders had some rust on it, so this morning
> >>>>> I took both of them off the Catrike for a little clean up and paint..
> >>>>> The extenders came off the cranks just fine, but separating them from
> >>>>> the pedals was not so easy, even in a vice. I chose not to put a
> >>>>> helper bar on the wrench, I hate doing that, and instead hit them with
> >>>>> penetrating oil. A quick check of the pedals also revealed a little
> >>>>> resistance on the left one. I pulled the inner shafts out and hit the
> >>>>> bearings with grease, which solved that problem.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The pedals and extenders are eight and a half years old with 20K miles
> >>>>> on them, and I decided to put them back on and use them for now.
> >>>>> They'll probably come apart easy when the new ones got here. The
> >>>>> pedals are Shimano, I don't know the model number, but the new ones
> >>>>> are Shimano PDED500, and look just like them, so that's probably what
> >>>>> they are. They'll go in my spare bin. They'll clean up just fine.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> A quick check of the Wellgo pedals on my wife's Pocket, and one of
> >>>>> them wasn't spinning so good.. I'm not going to bother taking them
> >>>>> apart... so new pedals fo her too. Some Shimano Flat pedals, Shimano
> >>>>> PD-EF202.
> >>>>>
> >>>> You certainly get longer life than my bikes! The commute bike the DMR (MTB
> >>>> flat pedals) got just shy of 10k miles. Neither of the MTB or Gravel bikes
> >>>> are likely to last that long, tend to get the paint scraped off within a
> >>>> few hundred miles.
> >>>>
> >>>> Roger Merman
> >>>>
> >>> I use VP-191 block pedals on all my bikes. They're silky smooth forever,
> >>> presumably because the bearings are most effectively sealed. Built-in
> >>> reflectors. Their only downside is that they're a bit short for the width
> >>> of my size twelves, so that their outside edge falls nearer the middle
> >>> than the outside of my footsole. But, since I routinely wear sandals or
> >>> shoes with very thick rubber soles, I feel no pain, and just
> >>> automatically spec the VP-191 on every new bike. I've recommended them
> >>> for yonks and never met anyone who didn't love them once they got used to them.
> >> DMR pedals are sealed it’s more the gunk I ride in, though they last good
> >> few years, can be rebuilt the bearing though I’ve rarely done so as the
> >> pedal is generally fairly done by then anyway.
> >>
> >> https://www.dmrbikes.com/Catalogue/Pedals/V12-2/V12
> >>
> >> Realistically for flat pedal riding ie MTB/Gravel riding I need something
> >> which is pinned as even with proper flat shoes with sticky ie soft rubber
> >> sole’s you just slide on the pedals particularly when wet, okay around town
> >> but even there I prefer having similar pinned pedals as the blocks could
> >> slide if suitably wet.
> >>
> >> They are broadly the type of pedals I used way back riding the hills pre
> >> proper pinned pedals.
> >>>>
> >>> A question does arise, Catrike: Can you ride a recliner with block pedals?
> >> Not unless has clip ie to hold the shoe to the pedal, he has said of the
> >> dangers if your foot slips off.
> >>>>
> >>> Andre Jute
> >>> "The brain of an engineer is a delicate instrument which must be
> >>> protected against the unevenness of the ground." -- Wifredo-Pelayo
> >>> Ricart Medina explaining to Enzo Ferrari why he wore such inordinately
> >>> thick rubber soles.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >> Roger Merman
> >>
> > Hah!. On advice from the group I looked at those V12 pedals the last time I specced a new bike, thirteen or so years ago, and wondered what the pins would do to my shins or calves at the slightest awkward stop -- and went back to my trusted VP-191. I'm happy to hear you confirm I made the right decision. -- AJ
> >>
> The pins are not a problem with a recumbent tricycle. Once
> your foot slides off the pedal, the pavement just snaps
> your ankle, far from those dangerous pins.
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>
I know, thanks Andrew. Roger and I were already off on a different subject, pedals for upright bikes. -- AJ