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* The stupidity of spacetime as a conceptRichard Hertz
+* Re: The stupidity of spacetime as a conceptOdd Bodkin
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| `* Re: The stupidity of spacetime as a conceptOdd Bodkin
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|   `* Re: The stupidity of spacetime as a conceptOdd Bodkin
|    `- Re: The stupidity of spacetime as a conceptThe Starmaker
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+* Re: The stupidity of spacetime as a conceptpatdolan
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+- Re: The stupidity of spacetime as a conceptThe Starmaker
+* Re: The stupidity of spacetime as a conceptJanPB
|`* Re: The stupidity of spacetime as a conceptRichard Hertz
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|  +* Re: The stupidity of spacetime as a conceptRichard Hertz
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|  | `* Re: The stupidity of spacetime as a conceptTroy Matsuda
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|  |   `* Re: The stupidity of spacetime as a conceptRichard Hertz
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`* Re: The stupidity of spacetime as a conceptRichard Hertz
 +* Re: The stupidity of spacetime as a conceptPaparios
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 |`* Re: The stupidity of spacetime as a conceptRichard Hertz
 | +- Odious kapo Richard Hertz reduced to shit eatingDono.
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 |`* Re: The stupidity of spacetime as a conceptRichard Hertz
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 by: Richard Hertz - Sat, 16 Apr 2022 15:49 UTC

You can walk forth and back through x,y,z spatial dimensions.

But you only can move forward in the 4th. dimension ct. Never back.

Such asymmetry of spacetime, as supported by relativists, imply that time
doesn't flow, but we are who move forward in the time dimension. Even
standing still.

And this stupidity should be enough to declare the concept of spacetime as
a product of sick minds lost in metaphysical and philosophical considerations.

Because of this non sense, a bunch of cretins 110 years ago killed physics as
a science based on logic and reason.

Now, who will "cancel" this stupid concept, to open paths to modern physics?

Cosmology based on spacetime should be condemned as pagan science,
more apt for a cult/religion than real science.

Who will make the first steps toward reason?

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 by: Odd Bodkin - Sat, 16 Apr 2022 16:46 UTC

Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> wrote:
> You can walk forth and back through x,y,z spatial dimensions.
>
> But you only can move forward in the 4th. dimension ct. Never back.
>
> Such asymmetry of spacetime, as supported by relativists, imply that time
> doesn't flow, but we are who move forward in the time dimension. Even
> standing still.
>
> And this stupidity should be enough to declare the concept of spacetime as
> a product of sick minds lost in metaphysical and philosophical considerations.

It’s interesting that your complaint about spacetime is a metaphysical
complaint about reality and volition.

>
> Because of this non sense, a bunch of cretins 110 years ago killed physics as
> a science based on logic and reason.
>
> Now, who will "cancel" this stupid concept, to open paths to modern physics?
>
> Cosmology based on spacetime should be condemned as pagan science,
> more apt for a cult/religion than real science.
>
> Who will make the first steps toward reason?
>

Reason meaning what, exactly?

--
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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 by: Paparios - Sat, 16 Apr 2022 16:54 UTC

El sábado, 16 de abril de 2022 a las 11:49:21 UTC-4, Richard Hertz escribió:
> You can walk forth and back through x,y,z spatial dimensions.
>

Which do not really exist in Nature. Those spatial dimensions are a human invention (ie a human made thought model). We have adopted the notion that space is what we can measure with rulers.

> But you only can move forward in the 4th. dimension ct. Never back.
>

Which is also a human invention. No human really knows what time is and we have adopted the notion that time is what a clock measures.

> Such asymmetry of spacetime, as supported by relativists, imply that time
> doesn't flow, but we are who move forward in the time dimension. Even
> standing still.
>
> And this stupidity should be enough to declare the concept of spacetime as
> a product of sick minds lost in metaphysical and philosophical considerations.
>
> Because of this non sense, a bunch of cretins 110 years ago killed physics as
> a science based on logic and reason.
>
> Now, who will "cancel" this stupid concept, to open paths to modern physics?
>
> Cosmology based on spacetime should be condemned as pagan science,
> more apt for a cult/religion than real science.
>
> Who will make the first steps toward reason?

For sure you will not, as you are a totally ignorant troll.

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On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 8:49:21 AM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
> You can walk forth and back through x,y,z spatial dimensions.
>
> But you only can move forward in the 4th. dimension ct. Never back.
>
> Such asymmetry of spacetime, as supported by relativists, imply that time
> doesn't flow, but we are who move forward in the time dimension. Even
> standing still.
>
> And this stupidity should be enough to declare the concept of spacetime as
> a product of sick minds lost in metaphysical and philosophical considerations.
>
> Because of this non sense, a bunch of cretins 110 years ago killed physics as
> a science based on logic and reason.
>
> Now, who will "cancel" this stupid concept, to open paths to modern physics?
>
> Cosmology based on spacetime should be condemned as pagan science,
> more apt for a cult/religion than real science.
>
> Who will make the first steps toward reason?

I shall, Richard. I do hereby condemn, abjure and renounce spacetime. I pronounce everlasting anathema on it. May its bones be ground to dust and its name blotted out from history.

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 by: Paparios - Sat, 16 Apr 2022 16:58 UTC

El sábado, 16 de abril de 2022 a las 12:55:04 UTC-4, patdolan escribió:
> On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 8:49:21 AM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:

> > Who will make the first steps toward reason?

> I shall, Richard. I do hereby condemn, abjure and renounce spacetime. I pronounce everlasting anathema on it. May its bones be ground to dust and its name blotted out from history.

Good luck with that. Spacetime physics is a very useful model which has not been falsified in over 117 years.

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On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 1:58:10 PM UTC-3, Paparios wrote:

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> Good luck with that. Spacetime physics is a very useful model which has not been falsified in over 117 years.

See, Miguelito? That's why you are a significant ignorant. Keep working on your 41th. paper on LAN Networks.

Between 1921 and 1929, Hubble and colleagues, using the 2.5 meter telescope, break the stupid GR theory to bits.

Then, relativists tried to save face with the cosmological constant, which lasted only 10 years (BBT and primordial atom).

Then WWII, and silence fell over relativity till 1956.

Then, black holes emerged as an inconvenient HOLE in GR theory. It lasted until mid '70s.

Then, numbers didn't fit theory as baryonic matter only accounted for 10% of the observable universe composition.

Then, dark matter and dark energy were introduced to save face AGAIN with GR. But it didn't work either.

As of today, GR has been disproved 100s of times, and what remain of the original 1915 body of work is ZERO.

Not that spacetime was falsified. It was destroyed to smithereens.

And spacetime was what fell first. Remember the stupid concepts of spacetime fabric? Assholes.

Constancy of speed of light along BBT timeline: destroyed.
Structure of spacetime in the first million years after BB: destroyed.
Gravity concept as created by space bending under massive matter: destroyed.
Negative gravity: emerging as yet more stupid concept for an accelerating expansion of the observable universe.
Limits of REAL UNIVERSE: Unknown as of today. Only observable universe concept is being used.

Cosmology is a cult/religion/metaphysics. Cosmology is the hideout of the most heinous relativists today: absolute parasites
with no place in our society, yet apologists of "Einstein being right, even being wrong". This fucking cabalistic cult is under extinction.

And vasal assholes like you, who made a wrong choice in their scientific credo, are under extinction also.

Young engineers and physicists laugh at people like you, an old brain-wired imbecile. Go back to live in the '70s, Miguelito.

You are done here.

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Sat, 16 Apr 2022 17:56 UTC

On Saturday, 16 April 2022 at 18:58:10 UTC+2, Paparios wrote:
> El sábado, 16 de abril de 2022 a las 12:55:04 UTC-4, patdolan escribió:
> > On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 8:49:21 AM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
>
> > > Who will make the first steps toward reason?
>
> > I shall, Richard. I do hereby condemn, abjure and renounce spacetime. I pronounce everlasting anathema on it. May its bones be ground to dust and its name blotted out from history.
> Good luck with that. Spacetime physics is a very useful model which has not been falsified in over 117 years.

In the meantime in the real world, however, forbidden by
your insane religion TAI keep measuring t'=t, just like
all serious clocks always did. And when you ask poor idiot
Paparios about his interval idiocy - he can only start some
inconsistent goecentric mumble.

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 by: Odd Bodkin - Sat, 16 Apr 2022 17:56 UTC

patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 8:49:21 AM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
>> You can walk forth and back through x,y,z spatial dimensions.
>>
>> But you only can move forward in the 4th. dimension ct. Never back.
>>
>> Such asymmetry of spacetime, as supported by relativists, imply that time
>> doesn't flow, but we are who move forward in the time dimension. Even
>> standing still.
>>
>> And this stupidity should be enough to declare the concept of spacetime as
>> a product of sick minds lost in metaphysical and philosophical considerations.
>>
>> Because of this non sense, a bunch of cretins 110 years ago killed physics as
>> a science based on logic and reason.
>>
>> Now, who will "cancel" this stupid concept, to open paths to modern physics?
>>
>> Cosmology based on spacetime should be condemned as pagan science,
>> more apt for a cult/religion than real science.
>>
>> Who will make the first steps toward reason?
>
> I shall, Richard. I do hereby condemn, abjure and renounce spacetime. I
> pronounce everlasting anathema on it. May its bones be ground to dust
> and its name blotted out from history.
>

Oooh. Share that on OAN.

--
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 by: Paparios - Sat, 16 Apr 2022 18:13 UTC

El sábado, 16 de abril de 2022 a las 13:45:21 UTC-4, Richard Hertz escribió:
> On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 1:58:10 PM UTC-3, Paparios wrote:
>
> <snip>
> > Good luck with that. Spacetime physics is a very useful model which has not been falsified in over 117 years.
> See, Miguelito? That's why you are a significant ignorant. Keep working on your 41th. paper on LAN Networks.

<Snip lies and nonsense>

> Young engineers and physicists laugh at people like you, an old brain-wired imbecile. Go back to live in the '70s, Miguelito.
>
> You are done here.

It is you Ricardito, who is lost in a subject you clearly know nothing. Both Special Relativity and General Relativity are just physics models (the same as all the other physics models). A physic model is a collection of human created thoughts which try to model the way Nature appears to work. Each physics model has (per definition) a domain of applicability where its equations are valid.

None of our physics models is complete, as our understanding of how and why Nature works continue to be quite limited. Each physics model is validated/falsified through experiments. That way we know that the Newtonian Mechanics model does not work when speeds are very high and gravity is very high. But Newtonian Mechanics continue to be quite valid and useful in our daily environments. We also know that the GR model does not work (it is incompatible) with the Quantum Electrodynamics model, which is why many physicists are looking to find the next physic model Quantum Gravity.
While many of those physics models are quite accurate to describe what Nature appears to do, none of them represents Nature, as our human limitations prevent us to really know what and why Nature does.

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 by: Ken Seto - Sat, 16 Apr 2022 18:15 UTC

On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 12:47:00 PM UTC-4, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > You can walk forth and back through x,y,z spatial dimensions.
> >
> > But you only can move forward in the 4th. dimension ct. Never back.
> >
> > Such asymmetry of spacetime, as supported by relativists, imply that time
> > doesn't flow, but we are who move forward in the time dimension. Even
> > standing still.
> >
> > And this stupidity should be enough to declare the concept of spacetime as
> > a product of sick minds lost in metaphysical and philosophical considerations.
> It’s interesting that your complaint about spacetime is a metaphysical
> complaint about reality and volition.
> >
> > Because of this non sense, a bunch of cretins 110 years ago killed physics as
> > a science based on logic and reason.
> >
> > Now, who will "cancel" this stupid concept, to open paths to modern physics?
> >
> > Cosmology based on spacetime should be condemned as pagan science,
> > more apt for a cult/religion than real science.
> >
> > Who will make the first steps toward reason?
> >
> Reason meaning what, exactly?

Reason meaning that don't stuck on Einstein's theory and postulates. Open your mind to new theories to replace Einstein's obsolete theories.
>
>
> --
> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 2:14:01 PM UTC-4, Paparios wrote:
> El sábado, 16 de abril de 2022 a las 13:45:21 UTC-4, Richard Hertz escribió:
> > On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 1:58:10 PM UTC-3, Paparios wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> > > Good luck with that. Spacetime physics is a very useful model which has not been falsified in over 117 years.
> > See, Miguelito? That's why you are a significant ignorant. Keep working on your 41th. paper on LAN Networks.
> <Snip lies and nonsense>
> > Young engineers and physicists laugh at people like you, an old brain-wired imbecile. Go back to live in the '70s, Miguelito.
> >
> > You are done here.
> It is you Ricardito, who is lost in a subject you clearly know nothing. Both Special Relativity and General Relativity are just physics models (the same as all the other physics models). A physic model is a collection of human created thoughts which try to model the way Nature appears to work. Each physics model has (per definition) a domain of applicability where its equations are valid.

No sir, a reallyl physical model can be described physically. Describe: spacetime, length contraction, time dilation, constant light speed is observer independent......etc.
>
> None of our physics models is complete, as our understanding of how and why Nature works continue to be quite limited. Each physics model is validated/falsified through experiments. That way we know that the Newtonian Mechanics model does not work when speeds are very high and gravity is very high.. But Newtonian Mechanics continue to be quite valid and useful in our daily environments. We also know that the GR model does not work (it is incompatible) with the Quantum Electrodynamics model, which is why many physicists are looking to find the next physic model Quantum Gravity.
> While many of those physics models are quite accurate to describe what Nature appears to do, none of them represents Nature, as our human limitations prevent us to really know what and why Nature does.

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 by: The Starmaker - Sat, 16 Apr 2022 20:03 UTC

Odd Bodkin wrote:
>
> Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> wrote:
> > You can walk forth and back through x,y,z spatial dimensions.
> >
> > But you only can move forward in the 4th. dimension ct. Never back.
> >
> > Such asymmetry of spacetime, as supported by relativists, imply that time
> > doesn't flow, but we are who move forward in the time dimension. Even
> > standing still.
> >
> > And this stupidity should be enough to declare the concept of spacetime as
> > a product of sick minds lost in metaphysical and philosophical considerations.
>
> It’s interesting that your complaint about spacetime is a metaphysical
> complaint about reality and volition.
>
> >
> > Because of this non sense, a bunch of cretins 110 years ago killed physics as
> > a science based on logic and reason.
> >
> > Now, who will "cancel" this stupid concept, to open paths to modern physics?
> >
> > Cosmology based on spacetime should be condemned as pagan science,
> > more apt for a cult/religion than real science.
> >
> > Who will make the first steps toward reason?
> >
>
> Reason meaning what, exactly?

meaning...reasonable effectiveness instead of ...'unreasonable
effectiveness'.

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to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
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 by: The Starmaker - Sat, 16 Apr 2022 20:12 UTC

Richard Hertz wrote:
>
> You can walk forth and back through x,y,z spatial dimensions.
>
> But you only can move forward in the 4th. dimension ct. Never back.
>
> Such asymmetry of spacetime, as supported by relativists, imply that time
> doesn't flow, but we are who move forward in the time dimension. Even
> standing still.
>
> And this stupidity should be enough to declare the concept of spacetime as
> a product of sick minds lost in metaphysical and philosophical considerations.
>
> Because of this non sense, a bunch of cretins 110 years ago killed physics as
> a science based on logic and reason.
>
> Now, who will "cancel" this stupid concept, to open paths to modern physics?
>
> Cosmology based on spacetime should be condemned as pagan science,
> more apt for a cult/religion than real science.
>
> Who will make the first steps toward reason?

You mean POP the Albert Einstein bubble World they are all living in?

It's an Einstein's World they are living in..

There is a taboo to have any new theories that doesn't include 'einstein relativity'.

Like it is a taboo to have a new dinosaur theory that doesn't include an Asteroid killing all the dinosaurs.

It's Mafia sciences.

they are all in the mafia...

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On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 8:49:21 AM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
> You can walk forth and back through x,y,z spatial dimensions.
>
> But you only can move forward in the 4th. dimension ct. Never back.
>
> Such asymmetry of spacetime, as supported by relativists, imply that time
> doesn't flow, but we are who move forward in the time dimension. Even
> standing still.
>
> And this stupidity should be enough to declare the concept of spacetime as
> a product of sick minds lost in metaphysical and philosophical considerations.

Not even wrong.

Besides, why are you not barking at Hamilton's phase space then? It's
even more abstract and multi-dimensional, with strange properties.
It behaves like a multi-dimensional incompressible fluid, for example.

Why spacetime, of all things, which is as classic as the notion of
graphing along the time axis (so e.g. Descartes).

> Because of this non sense,

Not even wrong.

> a bunch of cretins 110 years ago killed physics as
> a science based on logic and reason.

Not even wrong. You don't understand physics.

> Now, who will "cancel" this stupid concept, to open paths to modern physics?

Nobody. Einstein's theory will never go away, just like Newton's mechanics
and Maxwell's electrodynamics will never go away.

> Cosmology based on spacetime should be condemned as pagan science,
> more apt for a cult/religion than real science.

Not even wrong. Gobbledygook.

> Who will make the first steps toward reason?

Nobody except Boeotians.

--
Jan

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On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 5:17:04 PM UTC-3, JanPB wrote:
> On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 8:49:21 AM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
> > You can walk forth and back through x,y,z spatial dimensions.
> >
> > But you only can move forward in the 4th. dimension ct. Never back.
> >
> > Such asymmetry of spacetime, as supported by relativists, imply that time
> > doesn't flow, but we are who move forward in the time dimension. Even
> > standing still.
> >
> > And this stupidity should be enough to declare the concept of spacetime as
> > a product of sick minds lost in metaphysical and philosophical considerations.
> Not even wrong.
>
> Besides, why are you not barking at Hamilton's phase space then? It's
> even more abstract and multi-dimensional, with strange properties.
> It behaves like a multi-dimensional incompressible fluid, for example.
>
> Why spacetime, of all things, which is as classic as the notion of
> graphing along the time axis (so e.g. Descartes).
> > Because of this non sense,
> Not even wrong.
> > a bunch of cretins 110 years ago killed physics as
> > a science based on logic and reason.
> Not even wrong. You don't understand physics.
> > Now, who will "cancel" this stupid concept, to open paths to modern physics?
> Nobody. Einstein's theory will never go away, just like Newton's mechanics
> and Maxwell's electrodynamics will never go away.
> > Cosmology based on spacetime should be condemned as pagan science,
> > more apt for a cult/religion than real science.
> Not even wrong. Gobbledygook.
> > Who will make the first steps toward reason?
> Nobody except Boeotians.
>
> --
> Jan

Not even wrong.
Not even wrong.
Not even wrong.
Not even wrong.
Not even wrong.
Not even wrong.
......
Not even wrong.

Retarded polish parrot, ask your patrons to teach some new phrases. You're beyond boring and stupid.

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 by: mitchr...@gmail.com - Sat, 16 Apr 2022 21:10 UTC

On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 1:59:37 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 5:17:04 PM UTC-3, JanPB wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 8:49:21 AM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
> > > You can walk forth and back through x,y,z spatial dimensions.
> > >
> > > But you only can move forward in the 4th. dimension ct. Never back.
> > >
> > > Such asymmetry of spacetime, as supported by relativists, imply that time
> > > doesn't flow, but we are who move forward in the time dimension. Even
> > > standing still.
> > >
> > > And this stupidity should be enough to declare the concept of spacetime as
> > > a product of sick minds lost in metaphysical and philosophical considerations.
> > Not even wrong.
> >
> > Besides, why are you not barking at Hamilton's phase space then? It's
> > even more abstract and multi-dimensional, with strange properties.
> > It behaves like a multi-dimensional incompressible fluid, for example.
> >
> > Why spacetime, of all things, which is as classic as the notion of
> > graphing along the time axis (so e.g. Descartes).
> > > Because of this non sense,
> > Not even wrong.
> > > a bunch of cretins 110 years ago killed physics as
> > > a science based on logic and reason.
> > Not even wrong. You don't understand physics.
> > > Now, who will "cancel" this stupid concept, to open paths to modern physics?
> > Nobody. Einstein's theory will never go away, just like Newton's mechanics
> > and Maxwell's electrodynamics will never go away.
> > > Cosmology based on spacetime should be condemned as pagan science,
> > > more apt for a cult/religion than real science.
> > Not even wrong. Gobbledygook.
> > > Who will make the first steps toward reason?
> > Nobody except Boeotians.
> >
> > --
> > Jan
> Not even wrong.
> Not even wrong.
> Not even wrong.
> Not even wrong.
> Not even wrong.
> Not even wrong.
> .....
> Not even wrong.
>
>
> Retarded polish parrot, ask your patrons to teach some new phrases. You're beyond boring and stupid.

Einstein said his space time was Aether. He took back what he said about
aether and special relativity before in the 1920's.
Aether is where the math manifests.

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 by: JanPB - Sun, 17 Apr 2022 03:44 UTC

On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 1:59:37 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 5:17:04 PM UTC-3, JanPB wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 8:49:21 AM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
> > > You can walk forth and back through x,y,z spatial dimensions.
> > >
> > > But you only can move forward in the 4th. dimension ct. Never back.
> > >
> > > Such asymmetry of spacetime, as supported by relativists, imply that time
> > > doesn't flow, but we are who move forward in the time dimension. Even
> > > standing still.
> > >
> > > And this stupidity should be enough to declare the concept of spacetime as
> > > a product of sick minds lost in metaphysical and philosophical considerations.
> > Not even wrong.
> >
> > Besides, why are you not barking at Hamilton's phase space then? It's
> > even more abstract and multi-dimensional, with strange properties.
> > It behaves like a multi-dimensional incompressible fluid, for example.
> >
> > Why spacetime, of all things, which is as classic as the notion of
> > graphing along the time axis (so e.g. Descartes).
> > > Because of this non sense,
> > Not even wrong.
> > > a bunch of cretins 110 years ago killed physics as
> > > a science based on logic and reason.
> > Not even wrong. You don't understand physics.
> > > Now, who will "cancel" this stupid concept, to open paths to modern physics?
> > Nobody. Einstein's theory will never go away, just like Newton's mechanics
> > and Maxwell's electrodynamics will never go away.
> > > Cosmology based on spacetime should be condemned as pagan science,
> > > more apt for a cult/religion than real science.
> > Not even wrong. Gobbledygook.
> > > Who will make the first steps toward reason?
> > Nobody except Boeotians.
> >
> > --
> > Jan
> Not even wrong.
> Not even wrong.
> Not even wrong.
> Not even wrong.
> Not even wrong.
> Not even wrong.
> .....
> Not even wrong.
>
>
> Retarded polish parrot, ask your patrons to teach some new phrases. You're beyond boring and stupid.

That's all you can do to form a response? Really?

What you wrote is, literally, about 90% not even wrong. What do you
want me to do? All I can do is point it out. I'm, sadly, unable to change facts.

--
Jan

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On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 12:44:14 AM UTC-3, JanPB wrote:
> On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 1:59:37 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 5:17:04 PM UTC-3, JanPB wrote:
> > > On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 8:49:21 AM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
> > > > You can walk forth and back through x,y,z spatial dimensions.
> > > >
> > > > But you only can move forward in the 4th. dimension ct. Never back.
> > > >
> > > > Such asymmetry of spacetime, as supported by relativists, imply that time
> > > > doesn't flow, but we are who move forward in the time dimension. Even
> > > > standing still.
> > > >
> > > > And this stupidity should be enough to declare the concept of spacetime as
> > > > a product of sick minds lost in metaphysical and philosophical considerations.
> > > Not even wrong.
> > >
> > > Besides, why are you not barking at Hamilton's phase space then? It's
> > > even more abstract and multi-dimensional, with strange properties.
> > > It behaves like a multi-dimensional incompressible fluid, for example.
> > >
> > > Why spacetime, of all things, which is as classic as the notion of
> > > graphing along the time axis (so e.g. Descartes).
> > > > Because of this non sense,
> > > Not even wrong.
> > > > a bunch of cretins 110 years ago killed physics as
> > > > a science based on logic and reason.
> > > Not even wrong. You don't understand physics.
> > > > Now, who will "cancel" this stupid concept, to open paths to modern physics?
> > > Nobody. Einstein's theory will never go away, just like Newton's mechanics
> > > and Maxwell's electrodynamics will never go away.
> > > > Cosmology based on spacetime should be condemned as pagan science,
> > > > more apt for a cult/religion than real science.
> > > Not even wrong. Gobbledygook.
> > > > Who will make the first steps toward reason?
> > > Nobody except Boeotians.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jan
> > Not even wrong.
> > Not even wrong.
> > Not even wrong.
> > Not even wrong.
> > Not even wrong.
> > Not even wrong.
> > .....
> > Not even wrong.
> >
> >
> > Retarded polish parrot, ask your patrons to teach some new phrases. You're beyond boring and stupid.
> That's all you can do to form a response? Really?
>
> What you wrote is, literally, about 90% not even wrong. What do you
> want me to do? All I can do is point it out. I'm, sadly, unable to change facts.
>
> --
> Jan

When you be able to explain what happened, in the first 300,000 years after the primordial atom making "boom" with:

- The speed of light, in a timeline since t=0.
- The 3D web of your spacetime.
- The size of the "inflated" universe by t=300,000 years.
- How GR did apply in the above context.
- When black matter and energy "needed to appear" in such time interval, IF IT WAS TRUE. If not, when BM and BE did "appear".

When you have a coherent answer to each point from above, even when I anticipate them as stupid, MAYBE I'll consider you
a being above the level of a fucking parrot.

Meanwhile, I stand with my credence: you are an stupid polish parrot, with no functioning mind, but a hard-wired repeater replacing it.

And you can take all your developments with the 400+ Ricci-Civita equations plus Grossman modifications and make a fire with them,
so you can heat a can of soup, imbecile. You are going to need it, when NG be cut for not paying it, soon.

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 by: Mikko - Sun, 17 Apr 2022 07:41 UTC

On 2022-04-16 15:49:19 +0000, Richard Hertz said:

> You can walk forth and back through x,y,z spatial dimensions.
>
> But you only can move forward in the 4th. dimension ct. Never back.
>
> Such asymmetry of spacetime, as supported by relativists, imply that time
> doesn't flow, but we are who move forward in the time dimension. Even
> standing still.

How does this differ from what St. Augustine has said much earlier?

> And this stupidity should be enough to declare the concept of spacetime as
> a product of sick minds lost in metaphysical and philosophical considerations.
>
> Because of this non sense, a bunch of cretins 110 years ago killed physics as
> a science based on logic and reason.
>
> Now, who will "cancel" this stupid concept, to open paths to modern physics?
>
> Cosmology based on spacetime should be condemned as pagan science,
> more apt for a cult/religion than real science.
>
> Who will make the first steps toward reason?

If you want to argue against the Catholic Church your best guess is
some protestant sect. But I don't know any that wants to argue against
St. Augustine.

Mikko

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 by: Yoel Mazaki - Sun, 17 Apr 2022 08:39 UTC

JanPB wrote:

>> Retarded polish parrot, ask your patrons to teach some new phrases.
>> You're beyond boring and stupid.
>
> That's all you can do to form a response? Really?
> What you wrote is, literally, about 90% not even wrong. What do you want
> me to do? All I can do is point it out. I'm, sadly, unable to change
> facts.

Yes, the fact is that the *_provincial_territory_* of Russia, accidentally
called Polakia, will finally comeback to her mother, Mother Russia. Free
from the nazis, capitalist nato, EU void of natural gas and heat, void of
industry etc etc and etc. That's what to be considered as fact.

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Sun, 17 Apr 2022 12:14 UTC

On Sunday, 17 April 2022 at 05:44:14 UTC+2, JanPB wrote:
> On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 1:59:37 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 5:17:04 PM UTC-3, JanPB wrote:
> > > On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 8:49:21 AM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
> > > > You can walk forth and back through x,y,z spatial dimensions.
> > > >
> > > > But you only can move forward in the 4th. dimension ct. Never back.
> > > >
> > > > Such asymmetry of spacetime, as supported by relativists, imply that time
> > > > doesn't flow, but we are who move forward in the time dimension. Even
> > > > standing still.
> > > >
> > > > And this stupidity should be enough to declare the concept of spacetime as
> > > > a product of sick minds lost in metaphysical and philosophical considerations.
> > > Not even wrong.
> > >
> > > Besides, why are you not barking at Hamilton's phase space then? It's
> > > even more abstract and multi-dimensional, with strange properties.
> > > It behaves like a multi-dimensional incompressible fluid, for example.
> > >
> > > Why spacetime, of all things, which is as classic as the notion of
> > > graphing along the time axis (so e.g. Descartes).
> > > > Because of this non sense,
> > > Not even wrong.
> > > > a bunch of cretins 110 years ago killed physics as
> > > > a science based on logic and reason.
> > > Not even wrong. You don't understand physics.
> > > > Now, who will "cancel" this stupid concept, to open paths to modern physics?
> > > Nobody. Einstein's theory will never go away, just like Newton's mechanics
> > > and Maxwell's electrodynamics will never go away.
> > > > Cosmology based on spacetime should be condemned as pagan science,
> > > > more apt for a cult/religion than real science.
> > > Not even wrong. Gobbledygook.
> > > > Who will make the first steps toward reason?
> > > Nobody except Boeotians.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jan
> > Not even wrong.
> > Not even wrong.
> > Not even wrong.
> > Not even wrong.
> > Not even wrong.
> > Not even wrong.
> > .....
> > Not even wrong.
> >
> >
> > Retarded polish parrot, ask your patrons to teach some new phrases. You're beyond boring and stupid.
> That's all you can do to form a response? Really?
>
> What you wrote is, literally, about 90% not even wrong. What do you
> want me to do? All I can do is point it out. I'm, sadly, unable to change facts.

It's very sad, indeed, that you can't change the fact that
in the real world - forbidden by your insane religion TAI
keep measuring t'=t, just like all serious clock always did.
So you can only spit and bark, just like all of your fellow
idiots.

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 by: Odd Bodkin - Sun, 17 Apr 2022 12:23 UTC

The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>
>> Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> You can walk forth and back through x,y,z spatial dimensions.
>>>
>>> But you only can move forward in the 4th. dimension ct. Never back.
>>>
>>> Such asymmetry of spacetime, as supported by relativists, imply that time
>>> doesn't flow, but we are who move forward in the time dimension. Even
>>> standing still.
>>>
>>> And this stupidity should be enough to declare the concept of spacetime as
>>> a product of sick minds lost in metaphysical and philosophical considerations.
>>
>> It’s interesting that your complaint about spacetime is a metaphysical
>> complaint about reality and volition.
>>
>>>
>>> Because of this non sense, a bunch of cretins 110 years ago killed physics as
>>> a science based on logic and reason.
>>>
>>> Now, who will "cancel" this stupid concept, to open paths to modern physics?
>>>
>>> Cosmology based on spacetime should be condemned as pagan science,
>>> more apt for a cult/religion than real science.
>>>
>>> Who will make the first steps toward reason?
>>>
>>
>> Reason meaning what, exactly?
>
> meaning...reasonable effectiveness instead of ...'unreasonable
> effectiveness'.
>
>
>
>
>

Effectiveness toward what?

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 by: Odd Bodkin - Sun, 17 Apr 2022 12:39 UTC

Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 1:58:10 PM UTC-3, Paparios wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> Good luck with that. Spacetime physics is a very useful model which has
>> not been falsified in over 117 years.
>
> See, Miguelito? That's why you are a significant ignorant. Keep working
> on your 41th. paper on LAN Networks.
>
> Between 1921 and 1929, Hubble and colleagues, using the 2.5 meter
> telescope, break the stupid GR theory to bits.
>
> Then, relativists tried to save face with the cosmological constant,
> which lasted only 10 years (BBT and primordial atom).
>
> Then WWII, and silence fell over relativity till 1956.
>
> Then, black holes emerged as an inconvenient HOLE in GR theory. It lasted until mid '70s.
>
> Then, numbers didn't fit theory as baryonic matter only accounted for 10%
> of the observable universe composition.
>
> Then, dark matter and dark energy were introduced to save face AGAIN with
> GR. But it didn't work either.
>
> As of today, GR has been disproved 100s of times, and what remain of the
> original 1915 body of work is ZERO.
>
> Not that spacetime was falsified. It was destroyed to smithereens.
>
> And spacetime was what fell first. Remember the stupid concepts of
> spacetime fabric? Assholes.
>
> Constancy of speed of light along BBT timeline: destroyed.
> Structure of spacetime in the first million years after BB: destroyed.
> Gravity concept as created by space bending under massive matter: destroyed.
> Negative gravity: emerging as yet more stupid concept for an accelerating
> expansion of the observable universe.
> Limits of REAL UNIVERSE: Unknown as of today. Only observable universe
> concept is being used.
>
> Cosmology is a cult/religion/metaphysics. Cosmology is the hideout of the
> most heinous relativists today: absolute parasites
> with no place in our society, yet apologists of "Einstein being right,
> even being wrong". This fucking cabalistic cult is under extinction.
>
> And vasal assholes like you, who made a wrong choice in their scientific
> credo, are under extinction also.
>
> Young engineers and physicists laugh at people like you, an old
> brain-wired imbecile. Go back to live in the '70s, Miguelito.
>
> You are done here.
>

Wow. Got just about every single event misaligned with the wrong
consequence. Well done.

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 by: Odd Bodkin - Sun, 17 Apr 2022 12:39 UTC

Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 2:14:01 PM UTC-4, Paparios wrote:
>> El sábado, 16 de abril de 2022 a las 13:45:21 UTC-4, Richard Hertz escribió:
>>> On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 1:58:10 PM UTC-3, Paparios wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>> Good luck with that. Spacetime physics is a very useful model which
>>>> has not been falsified in over 117 years.
>>> See, Miguelito? That's why you are a significant ignorant. Keep working
>>> on your 41th. paper on LAN Networks.
>> <Snip lies and nonsense>
>>> Young engineers and physicists laugh at people like you, an old
>>> brain-wired imbecile. Go back to live in the '70s, Miguelito.
>>>
>>> You are done here.
>> It is you Ricardito, who is lost in a subject you clearly know nothing.
>> Both Special Relativity and General Relativity are just physics models
>> (the same as all the other physics models). A physic model is a
>> collection of human created thoughts which try to model the way Nature
>> appears to work. Each physics model has (per definition) a domain of
>> applicability where its equations are valid.
>
> No sir, a reallyl physical model can be described physically.

A physical model is not what you think it is. A physical model is not a
visualizable collection of material objects that coheres to common sense
and everyday experience.

It doesn’t matter that you think it should be.

> Describe: spacetime, length contraction, time dilation, constant light
> speed is observer independent......etc.
>>
>> None of our physics models is complete, as our understanding of how and
>> why Nature works continue to be quite limited. Each physics model is
>> validated/falsified through experiments. That way we know that the
>> Newtonian Mechanics model does not work when speeds are very high and
>> gravity is very high. But Newtonian Mechanics continue to be quite valid
>> and useful in our daily environments. We also know that the GR model
>> does not work (it is incompatible) with the Quantum Electrodynamics
>> model, which is why many physicists are looking to find the next physic
>> model Quantum Gravity.
>> While many of those physics models are quite accurate to describe what
>> Nature appears to do, none of them represents Nature, as our human
>> limitations prevent us to really know what and why Nature does.
>

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On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 9:39:31 AM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:

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> Wow. Got just about every single event misaligned with the wrong
> consequence. Well done.

That's why I call you a cretin distorter, who uses sophistry to twist meanings and yet manage to keep being a colossal imbecile.

I didn't wrote about EVENTS, which are specifically located at a given space and time. I wrote about consequences of
the stupid narrative of cosmologists, that CAN'T FIX the holes in the whole history of their universe, because when try to fix
ONE hole in the narrative, another 10 holes open in other parts of it.

An impossible mission for these retarded, which have tried to explain how God works with a bunch of equations with more parameters
than variables, so they can try to fine-tune the theory locally, but it collapses in the grand scheme.

BECAUSE MATHEMATICS IS NOT PHYSICS, and less yet capable of describe the birth of everything.

But to keep the subversive attempt of metaphysics to replace God and real science, it is required the support of pretentious imbeciles
like you, who sided with this ever evolving cosmological narrative because you share the lack of moral and scientific values that the
priests of the CULT have.

Number one: Einstein knew how God works, because a bunch of fucking geometers revealed it in 400+ equations.

Just for this, go fuck yourself, Bodkin.

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