On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 1:04:11 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:

<snip>

> Science as it is understood today was first initiated in the 16th century..
> The “science” of the Greeks, in contrast, really had more to do with
> philosophy and speculation, without the benefit of experimental test. See
> Democritus, for example, and Zeno.
>
> >
> > Except relativity.

Behold! The IKEA man, the Supreme Thinker has spoken! Science was in dormant state for 2,000 years since Democritus!
Because for Bodkin, the world comprised only a bunch of nation-states that existed in western continental Europe. Anything
East has been CANCELED by the cabal narrative. IDIOT & IGNORANT!!!

It was the EAST advanced civilization which ignited the desire of barbaric WESTERN Europe to copy many of the advanced
science&technology achievements of the East, which was 1,000 years ahead. They steal everything from the advanced East
and destroyed incredible civilizations, occupied their lands, made population their slaves and rewrote history, not conceding
a single achievement from being born in the other half of the planet.

And all of it started with the fucker Columbus. England, France, Netherlands, Portugal, Belgium benefited the most. It was
PaperClip 0.9, for centuries.

Just India was 400 years ahead in almost everything, until it was dismantled by the barbarians from the West. Eastern
astronomers could wipe out any western astronomy in a contest. Fucking europeans stole everything from East, starting
with Marco Polo expeditions.

SCIENCE: the intellectual AND practical activity encompassing the SYSTEMATIC STUDY of the structure and behavior of
the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.
RELATIVITY doesn't fill the requirements to be declared a fucking science.

TECHNOLOGY: the branch of knowledge dealing with engineering or APPLIED sciences. RELATIVITY doesn't fill the requirements
to be declared APPLIED science.

Technology precedes science 99.9% of the time. First, the discovery or realization of an effect of nature. Much later, a theoretical
model TO FIT the discovery. Technology is based on empirical events, and only applied science can provide models.

The above is absolute in the entire spectrum of science&technology.

And, Bodkin, there is NO FUNDAMENTAL SCIENCE. Only applied science and cretin science (you know who's involved in the last one).

Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 1:04:11 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> Science as it is understood today was first initiated in the 16th century.
>> The “science” of the Greeks, in contrast, really had more to do with
>> philosophy and speculation, without the benefit of experimental test. See
>> Democritus, for example, and Zeno.
>>
>>>
>>> Except relativity.
>
> Behold! The IKEA man, the Supreme Thinker has spoken! Science was in
> dormant state for 2,000 years since Democritus!
> Because for Bodkin, the world comprised only a bunch of nation-states
> that existed in western continental Europe. Anything
> East has been CANCELED by the cabal narrative. IDIOT & IGNORANT!!!
>
> It was the EAST advanced civilization which ignited the desire of
> barbaric WESTERN Europe to copy many of the advanced
> science&technology achievements of the East,

Technology yes. Science, not so much. You still don’t know the difference.

> which was 1,000 years ahead. They steal everything from the advanced East
> and destroyed incredible civilizations, occupied their lands, made
> population their slaves and rewrote history, not conceding
> a single achievement from being born in the other half of the planet.
>
> And all of it started with the fucker Columbus. England, France,
> Netherlands, Portugal, Belgium benefited the most. It was
> PaperClip 0.9, for centuries.
>
> Just India was 400 years ahead in almost everything, until it was
> dismantled by the barbarians from the West. Eastern
> astronomers could wipe out any western astronomy in a contest. Fucking
> europeans stole everything from East, starting
> with Marco Polo expeditions.
>
>
>
> SCIENCE: the intellectual AND practical activity encompassing the
> SYSTEMATIC STUDY of the structure and behavior of
> the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.
> RELATIVITY doesn't fill the requirements to be declared a fucking science.

Everything you just described about science pertains to relativity.

>
> TECHNOLOGY: the branch of knowledge dealing with engineering or APPLIED
> sciences. RELATIVITY doesn't fill the requirements
> to be declared APPLIED science.

No, it’s not. It’s fundamental science. Remember?

>
> Technology precedes science 99.9% of the time. First, the discovery or
> realization of an effect of nature. Much later, a theoretical
> model TO FIT the discovery. Technology is based on empirical events, and
> only applied science can provide models.
>
> The above is absolute in the entire spectrum of science&technology.
>
> And, Bodkin, there is NO FUNDAMENTAL SCIENCE.

There, see? You do not even recognize the existence of, let alone the value
of, fundamental science. As I have said about you repeatedly. And now you
are open about it.

> Only applied science and cretin science (you know who's involved in the last one).
>
>
>
>

--
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

On 4/26/2022 5:19 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> wrote:
>
> [-]
>> At the end, Edison was more succesful than Tesla, who died almost broke
>> having wasted all his money in not so good inventions.
>
> Tesla survived for a long time on the royalties
> of his commercially most succesful invention:
> the first accurate and reliable car speedometer.

I did not know that.
>
>> He however, was instrumental in the creation of the Westinghouse company
>> and his main victory over Edison was the use of AC, intead of the DC
>> Edison was pushing on.
>
> But Americans are still stuck with their puny 120 V power systems.

American household power systems have 240 volts available. Only
permanently wired large devices typically use it. You won't see them
much, but look up NEMA 6-15R and NEMA 6-20R outlets for what American
lower current (15A and 20A) 240V outlets look like. Few houses have them.
>
>> Edison created General Electric and bought the
>> licenses from Westinghouse to use AC. Both companies continue to exist
>> (with changes of names and directions).
>
> The problem with Edison was that he was just too dumb
> to understand the complex number arithmetic and vector diagrams
> involved in three-phase AC systems.

More like much, MUCH too stubborn to accept the fact AC was superior
then for the simple reason transformers could be used, therefore high
voltage long distance power transmission could exist. You see the same
stubbornness from many posters here, who refuse to accept it when they
are wrong. You all know who you are... :-)

Plus Edison was a first class jerk.
(Edison does get the last laugh, very high voltage DC power links are
now used for very long distance power transmission, even if they need
converters on each end)

My opinion is that Tesla was right on the line between genius and
insanity, and would go on both sides of it. He was quite the odd duck at
times.

On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 12:27:42 AM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 1:04:11 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> >> Science as it is understood today was first initiated in the 16th century.
> >> The “science” of the Greeks, in contrast, really had more to do with
> >> philosophy and speculation, without the benefit of experimental test. See
> >> Democritus, for example, and Zeno.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Except relativity.
> >
> > Behold! The IKEA man, the Supreme Thinker has spoken! Science was in
> > dormant state for 2,000 years since Democritus!
> > Because for Bodkin, the world comprised only a bunch of nation-states
> > that existed in western continental Europe. Anything
> > East has been CANCELED by the cabal narrative. IDIOT & IGNORANT!!!
> >
> > It was the EAST advanced civilization which ignited the desire of
> > barbaric WESTERN Europe to copy many of the advanced
> > science&technology achievements of the East,
> Technology yes. Science, not so much. You still don’t know the difference.
> > which was 1,000 years ahead. They steal everything from the advanced East
> > and destroyed incredible civilizations, occupied their lands, made
> > population their slaves and rewrote history, not conceding
> > a single achievement from being born in the other half of the planet.
> >
> > And all of it started with the fucker Columbus. England, France,
> > Netherlands, Portugal, Belgium benefited the most. It was
> > PaperClip 0.9, for centuries.
> >
> > Just India was 400 years ahead in almost everything, until it was
> > dismantled by the barbarians from the West. Eastern
> > astronomers could wipe out any western astronomy in a contest. Fucking
> > europeans stole everything from East, starting
> > with Marco Polo expeditions.
> >
> >
> >
> > SCIENCE: the intellectual AND practical activity encompassing the
> > SYSTEMATIC STUDY of the structure and behavior of
> > the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.
> > RELATIVITY doesn't fill the requirements to be declared a fucking science.
> Everything you just described about science pertains to relativity.
> >
> > TECHNOLOGY: the branch of knowledge dealing with engineering or APPLIED
> > sciences. RELATIVITY doesn't fill the requirements
> > to be declared APPLIED science.
> No, it’s not. It’s fundamental science. Remember?
> >
> > Technology precedes science 99.9% of the time. First, the discovery or
> > realization of an effect of nature. Much later, a theoretical
> > model TO FIT the discovery. Technology is based on empirical events, and
> > only applied science can provide models.
> >
> > The above is absolute in the entire spectrum of science&technology.
> >
> > And, Bodkin, there is NO FUNDAMENTAL SCIENCE.
> There, see? You do not even recognize the existence of, let alone the value
> of, fundamental science. As I have said about you repeatedly. And now you
> are open about it.
> > Only applied science and cretin science (you know who's involved in the last one).
> >
> >
> >
> >
> --
> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

You don't have a clue about what science is, woodworker.

Even less what FUNDAMENTAL SCIENCE IS, because such thing doesn't exist. Only in your mind.

DEFINE FUNDAMENTAL SCIENCE AND GIVE AN EXAMPLE. I'll destroy it.

On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 2:24:08 AM UTC-3, Michael Moroney wrote:

<snip>

> My opinion is that Tesla was right on the line between genius and
> insanity, and would go on both sides of it. He was quite the odd duck at
> times.

Wash your mouth before saying anything about Tesla.

What he was is behind your comprehension, as one ANT can think what you are.

You barely can understand that Einstein was an imbecile fraudster, a plagiarist, a thief, a deceiver, an impostor, etc, etc.

On 4/27/2022 12:24 AM, Michael Moroney wrote:
> On 4/26/2022 5:19 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>> Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> wrote:
>>
>> [-]
>>> At the end, Edison was more succesful than Tesla, who died almost broke
>>> having wasted all his money in not so good inventions.
>>
>> Tesla survived for a long time on the royalties
>> of his commercially most succesful invention:
>> the first accurate and reliable car speedometer.
>
> I did not know that.
>>
>>> He however, was instrumental in the creation of the Westinghouse company
>>> and his main victory over Edison was the use of AC, intead of the DC
>>> Edison was pushing on.
>>
>> But Americans are still stuck with their puny 120 V power systems.
>
> American household power systems have 240 volts available.  Only
> permanently wired large devices typically use it.  You won't see them
> much, but look up NEMA 6-15R and NEMA 6-20R outlets for what American
> lower current (15A and 20A) 240V outlets look like. Few houses have them.

Michael, you've apparently spent most of your life in a city atmosphere,
where gas is usually available. I spent most of my life in city and
suburban settings but retired to the country in what is best described
as a "hole in the woods.

In rural America, where gas is not available, 240 volt appliances are
quite common. Fixed is the electric water heater typically 30 or 40
amps at 240 volts. More portable, using sockets and power cords with
matching plugs are electric clothes dryers (typically 240 volts at 30
amps) and electric stoves (typically 240 volts 50 or 60 amps.)

I presently live in the country and have all these appliances though I
have given some thought to switching my kitchen stove and clothes dryer
to propane gas (LPG) since I have significant storage (1450 gallons) as
I purchase a year's worth of gas when the price is at its lowest during
the summer months.

It sounds as though Lodder lives in Europe or someplace else that uses
230 volts @ 50 Hz for everything, including lamps. For the most part
those countries had stated out with 110 volt distribution to homes but
at some point they doubled the user voltage in order to save entire
countries from having to replace their distribution wires which we, in
the USA, did without flinching. Also the minimum requirement in most of
the USA is 240 Volts at 100 amperes. Such services are infrequent in
most of Europe, their minimum requirement is much smaller. BTW, when, as
a child, I lived in Europe (WW2 period) the voltage in my parents'
apartment was 110 volts. Visiting family beginning in 1986 I discovered
that the voltage had been increased to 240.

I think the residential feature of 120 volts is favorable rather than
a detriment that Lodder appears to want to insinuate. I've explained the
situation that actually doesn't belong in this newsgroup but I will
not attempt to gorge myself on the bait that Lodder has cast out.

When I was visiting my cousins in Europe one who is an electrical
engineer asked me why the USA runs on 60 Hz electric power. He
understood immediately when I mentioned that clocks run on 60's. We in
the USA maintain that 60 Hz very accurately (Europe doesn't maintain
theirs closely) and as a result we are able to use synchronous electric
motors to run our clocks directly off the power that comes into our
homes. Europe reduces the frequency of their power in order to effect
necessary brownouts, leaving themselves without that access. Of course
today, with very inexpensive battery powered clock movements it no is no
longer a worthwhile consideration.

<snip>

> My opinion is that Tesla was right on the line between genius and
> insanity, and would go on both sides of it. He was quite the odd duck at
> times.

When I started visiting the old country, several of my transatlantic
flights were on a 747 that was named after Tesla, That's the time I
found out that Yugoslavia, Greece, and Hungary all claimed him as one of
their own and I was advised by a very pretty stewardess that Serbo-
Croation was the perfect language. She was so intent and emotional about
it I knew better than to challenge her. Of course I'd heard similar
claims from others regarding their national language. Even then I heard
AmerEnglish words cluttering their "perfect languages." <grin>

On 4/27/2022 12:53 AM, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 2:24:08 AM UTC-3, Michael Moroney wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> My opinion is that Tesla was right on the line between genius and
>> insanity, and would go on both sides of it. He was quite the odd duck at
>> times.
>
> Wash your mouth before saying anything about Tesla.
>
> What he was is behind your comprehension, as one ANT can think what you are.
>
> You barely can understand that Einstein was an imbecile fraudster, a plagiarist, a thief, a deceiver, an impostor, etc, etc.

Please consider seeing a professional about this rage you exhibit.

Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> wrote:

> On 4/26/2022 5:19 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> wrote:
> >
> > [-]
> >> At the end, Edison was more succesful than Tesla, who died almost broke
> >> having wasted all his money in not so good inventions.
> >
> > Tesla survived for a long time on the royalties
> > of his commercially most succesful invention:
> > the first accurate and reliable car speedometer.
>
> I did not know that.

It rotates a metal disk by Bowden cable from the gearbox,
and the pointer has a magnet on a spring
that is dragged by eddy currents.
It is the only good and practical solution,
and all car manufacturers had to use it. (and pay)

> >> He however, was instrumental in the creation of the Westinghouse company
> >> and his main victory over Edison was the use of AC, intead of the DC
> >> Edison was pushing on.
> >
> > But Americans are still stuck with their puny 120 V power systems.
>
> American household power systems have 240 volts available. Only
> permanently wired large devices typically use it. You won't see them
> much, but look up NEMA 6-15R and NEMA 6-20R outlets for what American
> lower current (15A and 20A) 240V outlets look like. Few houses have them.

Yes, I know. What they really have is centre-tapped 240 V
They should have changed over to 240 V for everything long ago,
if only for reasons of safety.
(electricity-cased fires kill many more Americans than electrocution)
And they don't have electric kettles that are actually useful:
see one of the longest flame wars in a forum long ago and far away.

> >> Edison created General Electric and bought the
> >> licenses from Westinghouse to use AC. Both companies continue to exist
> >> (with changes of names and directions).
> >
> > The problem with Edison was that he was just too dumb
> > to understand the complex number arithmetic and vector diagrams
> > involved in three-phase AC systems.
>
> More like much, MUCH too stubborn to accept the fact AC was superior
> then for the simple reason transformers could be used, therefore high
> voltage long distance power transmission could exist.

I read somewhere that Edison confessed, after it was all over,
that he had known that AC was superior all along.
He kept up the fight only for profit.

> You see the same
> stubbornness from many posters here, who refuse to accept it when they
> are wrong. You all know who you are... :-)
>
> Plus Edison was a first class jerk.

Yes, and a murderous one.

> (Edison does get the last laugh, very high voltage DC power links are
> now used for very long distance power transmission, even if they need
> converters on each end)

Yes, and so what? BTW, back to back ones,
using swithed mercury arc rectifiers existed long ago.

> My opinion is that Tesla was right on the line between genius and
> insanity, and would go on both sides of it. He was quite the odd duck at
> times.

Feynman could have taught him some lessons.
(and some of the nutters here too)

"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself,
and you are the easiest person to fool."
"One way we fool ourselves is by imagining we know more than we do;
we think we are experts."

Jan

whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> wrote:

> On 4/27/2022 12:24 AM, Michael Moroney wrote:
> > On 4/26/2022 5:19 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >> Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> wrote:
> >>
> >> [-]
> >>> At the end, Edison was more succesful than Tesla, who died almost broke
> >>> having wasted all his money in not so good inventions.
> >>
> >> Tesla survived for a long time on the royalties
> >> of his commercially most succesful invention:
> >> the first accurate and reliable car speedometer.
> >
> > I did not know that.
> >>
> >>> He however, was instrumental in the creation of the Westinghouse company
> >>> and his main victory over Edison was the use of AC, intead of the DC
> >>> Edison was pushing on.
> >>
> >> But Americans are still stuck with their puny 120 V power systems.
> >
> > American household power systems have 240 volts available. Only
> > permanently wired large devices typically use it. You won't see them
> > much, but look up NEMA 6-15R and NEMA 6-20R outlets for what American
> > lower current (15A and 20A) 240V outlets look like. Few houses have them.
>
>
> Michael, you've apparently spent most of your life in a city atmosphere,
> where gas is usually available. I spent most of my life in city and
> suburban settings but retired to the country in what is best described
> as a "hole in the woods.
>
> In rural America, where gas is not available, 240 volt appliances are
> quite common. Fixed is the electric water heater typically 30 or 40
> amps at 240 volts. More portable, using sockets and power cords with
> matching plugs are electric clothes dryers (typically 240 volts at 30
> amps) and electric stoves (typically 240 volts 50 or 60 amps.)
>
> I presently live in the country and have all these appliances though I
> have given some thought to switching my kitchen stove and clothes dryer
> to propane gas (LPG) since I have significant storage (1450 gallons) as
> I purchase a year's worth of gas when the price is at its lowest during
> the summer months.
>
> It sounds as though Lodder lives in Europe or someplace else that uses
> 230 volts @ 50 Hz for everything, including lamps.

Yes, of course. Hadn't you noticed?

> For the most part
> those countries had stated out with 110 volt distribution to homes but
> at some point they doubled the user voltage in order to save entire
> countries from having to replace their distribution wires which we, in
> the USA, did without flinching. Also the minimum requirement in most of
> the USA is 240 Volts at 100 amperes. Such services are infrequent in
> most of Europe, their minimum requirement is much smaller.

You clearly have no idea of what you are talking about,
or your information is way out of date.
No point in discussing ignorance.

> BTW, when, as
> a child, I lived in Europe (WW2 period) the voltage in my parents'
> apartment was 110 volts. Visiting family beginning in 1986 I discovered
> that the voltage had been increased to 240.
>
> I think the residential feature of 120 volts is favorable rather than
> a detriment that Lodder appears to want to insinuate. I've explained the
> situation that actually doesn't belong in this newsgroup but I will
> not attempt to gorge myself on the bait that Lodder has cast out.

It wastes copper, and it is less safe because it cause more fires.
(while electrocution hardly kills anybody)

> When I was visiting my cousins in Europe one who is an electrical
> engineer asked me why the USA runs on 60 Hz electric power. He
> understood immediately when I mentioned that clocks run on 60's. We in
> the USA maintain that 60 Hz very accurately (Europe doesn't maintain
> theirs closely) and as a result we are able to use synchronous electric
> motors to run our clocks directly off the power that comes into our
> homes.

You clearly have no idea of what you are talking about,
or your information is way out of date.
No point in discussing complete ignorance.

> Europe reduces the frequency of their power in order to effect
> necessary brownouts, leaving themselves without that access. Of course
> today, with very inexpensive battery powered clock movements it no is no
> longer a worthwhile consideration.

Don't use such strange words. What is 'a brownout'.
Must be something only Americans know about.

> <snip>
>
> > My opinion is that Tesla was right on the line between genius and
> > insanity, and would go on both sides of it. He was quite the odd duck at
> > times.
>
> When I started visiting the old country, several of my transatlantic
> flights were on a 747 that was named after Tesla, That's the time I
> found out that Yugoslavia, Greece, and Hungary all claimed him as one of
> their own and I was advised by a very pretty stewardess that Serbo-
> Croation was the perfect language. She was so intent and emotional about
> it I knew better than to challenge her. Of course I'd heard similar
> claims from others regarding their national language. Even then I heard
> AmerEnglish words cluttering their "perfect languages." <grin>

Yes, Serbia is on the point of declaring was on Croatia
for the crime of putting Tesla on a Euro coin.
Serbians are just like Russians: they can't accept
that others really don't want to be ruled by them.
And they think that Serbia must be all it may have been, once.

Jan

Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 12:27:42 AM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 1:04:11 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> Science as it is understood today was first initiated in the 16th century.
>>>> The “science” of the Greeks, in contrast, really had more to do with
>>>> philosophy and speculation, without the benefit of experimental test. See
>>>> Democritus, for example, and Zeno.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Except relativity.
>>>
>>> Behold! The IKEA man, the Supreme Thinker has spoken! Science was in
>>> dormant state for 2,000 years since Democritus!
>>> Because for Bodkin, the world comprised only a bunch of nation-states
>>> that existed in western continental Europe. Anything
>>> East has been CANCELED by the cabal narrative. IDIOT & IGNORANT!!!
>>>
>>> It was the EAST advanced civilization which ignited the desire of
>>> barbaric WESTERN Europe to copy many of the advanced
>>> science&technology achievements of the East,
>> Technology yes. Science, not so much. You still don’t know the difference.
>>> which was 1,000 years ahead. They steal everything from the advanced East
>>> and destroyed incredible civilizations, occupied their lands, made
>>> population their slaves and rewrote history, not conceding
>>> a single achievement from being born in the other half of the planet.
>>>
>>> And all of it started with the fucker Columbus. England, France,
>>> Netherlands, Portugal, Belgium benefited the most. It was
>>> PaperClip 0.9, for centuries.
>>>
>>> Just India was 400 years ahead in almost everything, until it was
>>> dismantled by the barbarians from the West. Eastern
>>> astronomers could wipe out any western astronomy in a contest. Fucking
>>> europeans stole everything from East, starting
>>> with Marco Polo expeditions.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> SCIENCE: the intellectual AND practical activity encompassing the
>>> SYSTEMATIC STUDY of the structure and behavior of
>>> the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.
>>> RELATIVITY doesn't fill the requirements to be declared a fucking science.
>> Everything you just described about science pertains to relativity.
>>>
>>> TECHNOLOGY: the branch of knowledge dealing with engineering or APPLIED
>>> sciences. RELATIVITY doesn't fill the requirements
>>> to be declared APPLIED science.
>> No, it’s not. It’s fundamental science. Remember?
>>>
>>> Technology precedes science 99.9% of the time. First, the discovery or
>>> realization of an effect of nature. Much later, a theoretical
>>> model TO FIT the discovery. Technology is based on empirical events, and
>>> only applied science can provide models.
>>>
>>> The above is absolute in the entire spectrum of science&technology.
>>>
>>> And, Bodkin, there is NO FUNDAMENTAL SCIENCE.
>> There, see? You do not even recognize the existence of, let alone the value
>> of, fundamental science. As I have said about you repeatedly. And now you
>> are open about it.
>>> Only applied science and cretin science (you know who's involved in the last one).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>
> You don't have a clue about what science is, woodworker.
>
> Even less what FUNDAMENTAL SCIENCE IS, because such thing doesn't exist. Only in your mind.

Well, there you go. Completely clueless about fundamental science as
always.

>
> DEFINE FUNDAMENTAL SCIENCE AND GIVE AN EXAMPLE. I'll destroy it.
>
>

Look it up; cosmology.

--
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 2:24:08 AM UTC-3, Michael Moroney wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> My opinion is that Tesla was right on the line between genius and
>> insanity, and would go on both sides of it. He was quite the odd duck at
>> times.
>
> Wash your mouth before saying anything about Tesla.
>
> What he was is behind your comprehension, as one ANT can think what you are.
>
> You barely can understand that Einstein was an imbecile fraudster, a
> plagiarist, a thief, a deceiver, an impostor, etc, etc.
>
>

Hero worship is rampant. Mixed with “my hero can beat up your hero.”

--
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

On 4/27/2022 3:26 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> wrote:

<>smip>

>> It sounds as though Lodder lives in Europe or someplace else that uses
>> 230 volts @ 50 Hz for everything, including lamps.
>
> Yes, of course. Hadn't you noticed?

For reasons you make obvious just below I do not read your infantile
shXX.

>> For the most part
>> those countries had stated out with 110 volt distribution to homes but
>> at some point they doubled the user voltage in order to save entire
>> countries from having to replace their distribution wires which we, in
>> the USA, did without flinching. Also the minimum requirement in most of
>> the USA is 240 Volts at 100 amperes. Such services are infrequent in
>> most of Europe, their minimum requirement is much smaller.

> You clearly have no idea of what you are talking about,
> or your information is way out of date.
> No point in discussing ignorance.

This is why I don't usually read your infantile shXX and will promptly
today put you in a killfile. Your arrogant ignorance doesn't deserve
even the little attention you've achieved here. What I've stated in the
paragraph above is accurate. If your country has upped the minimum
requirement I'll tell you that at the year 2000 my "old country" had not
and neither had the UK. Whatever your country has done I feel sorry for
them that they have someone like you living in their midst.

<snip>

> Don't use such strange words. What is 'a brownout'.
> Must be something only Americans know about.

You clearly have no idea of what you are talking about.
No point in discussing ignorance.

>> <snip>

> Yes, Serbia is on the point of declaring was on Croatia
> for the crime of putting Tesla on a Euro coin.
> Serbians are just like Russians: they can't accept
> that others really don't want to be ruled by them.
> And they think that Serbia must be all it may have been, once.

You clearly have no idea of what you are talking about.
No point in discussing ignorance.

> Jan

A waste of an otherwise perfectly good name.

PLONK

On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 7:13:42 AM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 2:24:08 AM UTC-3, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> >> My opinion is that Tesla was right on the line between genius and
> >> insanity, and would go on both sides of it. He was quite the odd duck at
> >> times.
> >
> > Wash your mouth before saying anything about Tesla.
> >
> > What he was is behind your comprehension, as one ANT can think what you are.
> >
> > You barely can understand that Einstein was an imbecile fraudster, a
> > plagiarist, a thief, a deceiver, an impostor, etc, etc.
> >
> >
> Hero worship is rampant. Mixed with “my hero can beat up your hero.”
> --
> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

Read this very carefully, Bodkin. And, besides, my "hero" is and always will be James Clerk Maxwell.

This site analyze jewish roots of the most relevant persons in many different activities (more than 1,000 are listed).
This is what's posted since 2006 about Einstein.
I call this PURE INDOCTRINATION: "The smartest man that ever lived was a Jew, Albert Einstein". THIS IS "HERO" WORSHIPPING!!

Jew or Not Jew: Choosing the Chosen People
http://www.jewornotjew.com/

Albert Einstein
March 14, 1879 – April 18, 1955

You can have Leonardo da Vinci. We won't argue about Isaac Newton. Thomas Edison can take a hike. Archimedes, Pythagoras, Aristotle, Plato, and Socrates are all too ancient to be considered. Copernicus? Galileo? Descartes? No thanks. We have Albert Einstein... the smartest man who ever lived.

The word "genius" gets thrown around so much today. That football coach is a genius! That movie director is a genius! Anyone who has an IQ over some number is a genius! The word's meaning is ever so diluted. But we're not here to argue about semantics, we're here to argue if someone is Jewish or not..

Albert Einstein: Genius. Jew.

But why such a high score for someone who was non-observant? All the proof you need is in Einstein's own quote, "A Jew who sheds his faith along the way, or who even picks up a different one, is still a Jew." Besides, anyone whose work was attempted to be discredited by the Nazis as "Jewish physics", anyone who was offered the presidency of Israel without being its citizen, anyone who has become a prototype for that overused word "genius", is clearly deserving of the perfect score.

Albert Einstein: Smartest Man Ever. Jew.

Verdict: Jew.
September 13, 2006

Isaac Newton
January 4, 1643 – March 31, 1727

Isaac Newton was not Jewish. Clearly. However, there are some connections: he knew Hebrew, was very well versed in Jewish history, and considered Christianity a derivative of Judaism.

So, we'll just slap a verdict here and go back to writing about Duffman...

One minor problem. Should we say "Not a Jew", or "Sadly, Not a Jew"? Yes, questions like these keep us awake at night.

On one hand, gravity, laws of motion, the reflecting telescope, one of the smartest men ever, etc, etc, etc. Sounds like a lock for "Sadly".

On the other hand, calculus. Thanks for that invention, Sir Isaac. We were forced to take three semesters of calculus in college. Those long nights struggling with double and triple integrals are not easily forgotten. Or forgiven.

And when, in our last calculus class ever, the professor told us that everything we'd worked so hard to learn was not only essentially useless but could be better done by computers, well...

Verdict: Not a Jew.
November 9, 2008

Not a single entry about Tesla or Maxwell.

So, it is about an abyss, where newtonians are on one side and einstenians are in the other side. No solution at sight.

On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 7:42:25 AM UTC-7, odious kapo Richard Hertz ate more shit:

> Jew or Not Jew:

You are a jew, Dick. The odious kapo type. Every time you open your mouth, you get to eat shit. Bon appetit!

On 4/27/2022 1:53 AM, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 2:24:08 AM UTC-3, Michael Moroney wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> My opinion is that Tesla was right on the line between genius and
>> insanity, and would go on both sides of it. He was quite the odd duck at
>> times.
>
> Wash your mouth before saying anything about Tesla.

Wash your own mouth out from all the lies you said about Einstein.

Both Einstein and Tesla were geniuses, but at least Einstein didn't
wander into insanity and back.
>
> What he was is behind your comprehension, as one ANT can think what you are.
>
> You barely can understand that Einstein was an imbecile fraudster, a plagiarist, a thief, a deceiver, an impostor, etc, etc.
>
Einstein was more of a genius than you can ever hope for. Too bad for
your OCD-driven hatred!

On 4/27/2022 10:42 AM, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 7:13:42 AM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 2:24:08 AM UTC-3, Michael Moroney wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> My opinion is that Tesla was right on the line between genius and
>>>> insanity, and would go on both sides of it. He was quite the odd duck at
>>>> times.
>>>
>>> Wash your mouth before saying anything about Tesla.
>>>
>>> What he was is behind your comprehension, as one ANT can think what you are.
>>>
>>> You barely can understand that Einstein was an imbecile fraudster, a
>>> plagiarist, a thief, a deceiver, an impostor, etc, etc.
>>>
>>>
>> Hero worship is rampant. Mixed with “my hero can beat up your hero.”

> I call this PURE INDOCTRINATION: "The smartest man that ever lived was a Jew, Albert Einstein". THIS IS "HERO" WORSHIPPING!!
>
> Jew or Not Jew: Choosing the Chosen People
> http://www.jewornotjew.com/
>
Just as Odd said, hero worship is rampant.

Please see a medical professional about your OCD fueled hatred for the man.

On 4/27/2022 3:08 AM, whodat wrote:
> On 4/27/2022 12:24 AM, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> On 4/26/2022 5:19 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>> Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> wrote:
>>>
>>> [-]
>>>> At the end, Edison was more succesful than Tesla, who died almost broke
>>>> having wasted all his money in not so good inventions.
>>>
>>> Tesla survived for a long time on the royalties
>>> of his commercially most succesful invention:
>>> the first accurate and reliable car speedometer.
>>
>> I did not know that.
>>>
>>>> He however, was instrumental in the creation of the Westinghouse
>>>> company
>>>> and his main victory over Edison was the use of AC, intead of the DC
>>>> Edison was pushing on.
>>>
>>> But Americans are still stuck with their puny 120 V power systems.
>>
>> American household power systems have 240 volts available.  Only
>> permanently wired large devices typically use it.  You won't see them
>> much, but look up NEMA 6-15R and NEMA 6-20R outlets for what American
>> lower current (15A and 20A) 240V outlets look like. Few houses have them.
>
>
> Michael, you've apparently spent most of your life in a city atmosphere,
> where gas is usually available. I spent most of my life in city and
> suburban settings but retired to the country in what is best described
> as a "hole in the woods.
>
> In rural America, where gas is not available, 240 volt appliances are
> quite common. Fixed is the electric water heater typically 30 or 40
> amps at 240 volts. More portable, using sockets and power cords with
> matching plugs are electric clothes dryers (typically 240 volts at 30
> amps) and electric stoves (typically 240 volts 50 or 60 amps.)

It appears that you missed the part about permanently wired large
devices. We have 240V electric stove, dryer water heater & geothermal
heating. OK the stoves and dryers have a huge plug/socket so aren't
officially permanently wired, my point was that it's available but
usually underused. You can't go into the nearest Walmart and buy a 240V
coffee machine/toaster etc.
>
> I presently live in the country and have all these appliances though I
> have given some thought to switching my kitchen stove and clothes dryer
> to propane gas (LPG) since I have significant storage (1450 gallons) as
> I purchase a year's worth of gas when the price is at its lowest during
> the summer months.
>
> It sounds as though Lodder lives in Europe or someplace else that uses
> 230 volts @ 50 Hz for everything, including lamps. For the most part
> those countries had stated out with 110 volt distribution to homes but
> at some point they doubled the user voltage in order to save entire
> countries from having to replace their distribution wires which we, in
> the USA, did without flinching. Also the minimum requirement in most of
> the USA is 240 Volts at 100 amperes. Such services are infrequent in
> most of Europe, their minimum requirement is much smaller. BTW, when, as
> a child, I lived in Europe (WW2 period) the voltage in my parents'
> apartment was 110 volts. Visiting family beginning in 1986 I discovered
> that the voltage had been increased to 240.
>
> I think the residential feature of 120 volts is favorable rather than
> a detriment that Lodder appears to want to insinuate. I've explained the
> situation that actually doesn't belong in this newsgroup but I will
> not attempt to gorge myself on the bait that Lodder has cast out.
>
> When I was visiting my cousins in Europe one who is an electrical
> engineer asked me why the USA runs on 60 Hz electric power. He
> understood immediately when I mentioned that clocks run on 60's. We in
> the USA maintain that 60 Hz very accurately (Europe doesn't maintain
> theirs closely) and as a result we are able to use synchronous electric
> motors to run our clocks directly off the power that comes into our
> homes. Europe reduces the frequency of their power in order to effect
> necessary brownouts, leaving themselves without that access. Of course
> today, with very inexpensive battery powered clock movements it no is no
> longer a worthwhile consideration.
>
>
>
> <snip>
>
>> My opinion is that Tesla was right on the line between genius and
>> insanity, and would go on both sides of it. He was quite the odd duck
>> at times.
>
> When I started visiting the old country, several of my transatlantic
> flights were on a 747 that was named after Tesla, That's the time I
> found out that Yugoslavia, Greece, and Hungary all claimed him as one of
> their own and I was advised by a very pretty stewardess that Serbo-
> Croation was the perfect language. She was so intent and emotional about
> it I knew better than to challenge her. Of course I'd heard similar
> claims from others regarding their national language. Even then I heard
> AmerEnglish words cluttering their "perfect languages." <grin>

On 4/27/2022 4:26 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> wrote:
>
>> For the most part
>> those countries had stated out with 110 volt distribution to homes but
>> at some point they doubled the user voltage in order to save entire
>> countries from having to replace their distribution wires which we, in
>> the USA, did without flinching. Also the minimum requirement in most of
>> the USA is 240 Volts at 100 amperes. Such services are infrequent in
>> most of Europe, their minimum requirement is much smaller.
>
> You clearly have no idea of what you are talking about,
> or your information is way out of date.
> No point in discussing ignorance.
>
>> BTW, when, as
>> a child, I lived in Europe (WW2 period) the voltage in my parents'
>> apartment was 110 volts. Visiting family beginning in 1986 I discovered
>> that the voltage had been increased to 240.
>>
>> I think the residential feature of 120 volts is favorable rather than
>> a detriment that Lodder appears to want to insinuate. I've explained the
>> situation that actually doesn't belong in this newsgroup but I will
>> not attempt to gorge myself on the bait that Lodder has cast out.
>
> It wastes copper, and it is less safe because it cause more fires.
> (while electrocution hardly kills anybody)
>
Britain, in the early days, had several different voltages/frequencies
in use until they standardized on 240V 50 Hz. I suspect it was true for
the rest of Europe as well. It was also true in the US, I've seen 40 Hz
GE generators dated 1898. 25 Hz was used in Buffalo until the 1990s
although you couldn't request new 25 Hz service after the 1940s. Also
part of the northeast corridor has its own 25 Hz system. Edison
apparently chose 110V because it was the best match for his light bulbs
and his DC system was apparently +110V/0/-110V which is why we have what
we have now.

whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> wrote:

> On 4/27/2022 3:26 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> wrote:
>
> <>smip>
>
> >> It sounds as though Lodder lives in Europe or someplace else that uses
> >> 230 volts @ 50 Hz for everything, including lamps.
> >
> > Yes, of course. Hadn't you noticed?
>
> For reasons you make obvious just below I do not read your infantile
> shXX.
>
> >> For the most part
> >> those countries had stated out with 110 volt distribution to homes but
> >> at some point they doubled the user voltage in order to save entire
> >> countries from having to replace their distribution wires which we, in
> >> the USA, did without flinching. Also the minimum requirement in most of
> >> the USA is 240 Volts at 100 amperes. Such services are infrequent in
> >> most of Europe, their minimum requirement is much smaller.
>
> > You clearly have no idea of what you are talking about,
> > or your information is way out of date.
> > No point in discussing ignorance.
>
> This is why I don't usually read your infantile shXX and will promptly
> today put you in a killfile.

Please do.

> Your arrogant ignorance doesn't deserve
> even the little attention you've achieved here. What I've stated in the
> paragraph above is accurate. If your country has upped the minimum
> requirement I'll tell you that at the year 2000 my "old country" had not
> and neither had the UK. Whatever your country has done I feel sorry for
> them that they have someone like you living in their midst.
>
> <snip American brownouts>
>
> > Don't use such strange words. What is 'a brownout'.
> > Must be something only Americans know about.
>
> You clearly have no idea of what you are talking about.
> No point in discussing ignorance.

FYI, your sarcasm detector is broken,

Jan

On 4/27/2022 4:26 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> wrote:
>
>> On 4/26/2022 5:19 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>> Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> wrote:

>>>> Edison created General Electric and bought the
>>>> licenses from Westinghouse to use AC. Both companies continue to exist
>>>> (with changes of names and directions).
>>>
>>> The problem with Edison was that he was just too dumb
>>> to understand the complex number arithmetic and vector diagrams
>>> involved in three-phase AC systems.
>>
>> More like much, MUCH too stubborn to accept the fact AC was superior
>> then for the simple reason transformers could be used, therefore high
>> voltage long distance power transmission could exist.
>
> I read somewhere that Edison confessed, after it was all over,
> that he had known that AC was superior all along.
> He kept up the fight only for profit.
>
>> You see the same
>> stubbornness from many posters here, who refuse to accept it when they
>> are wrong. You all know who you are... :-)
>>
>> Plus Edison was a first class jerk.
>
> Yes, and a murderous one.

Definitely. He electrocuted animals, even an elephant, to show how
"dangerous" AC was. And lobbied for execution via electric chair (using
AC) to be called being "Westinghoused".
>
>> (Edison does get the last laugh, very high voltage DC power links are
>> now used for very long distance power transmission, even if they need
>> converters on each end)
>
> Yes, and so what? BTW, back to back ones,
> using swithed mercury arc rectifiers existed long ago.

I know. I once lived a block from a prototype DC link run by GE which
took power generated by an ancient hydro plant at 40 Hz to a GE plant
which converted the DC to 60 Hz. It was out of service by the time we
lived there and is long gone now.
>
>> My opinion is that Tesla was right on the line between genius and
>> insanity, and would go on both sides of it. He was quite the odd duck at
>> times.
>
> Feynman could have taught him some lessons.
> (and some of the nutters here too)
>
> "The first principle is that you must not fool yourself,
> and you are the easiest person to fool."
> "One way we fool ourselves is by imagining we know more than we do;
> we think we are experts."
>
> Jan
>
>

Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 7:13:42 AM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 2:24:08 AM UTC-3, Michael Moroney wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> My opinion is that Tesla was right on the line between genius and
>>>> insanity, and would go on both sides of it. He was quite the odd duck at
>>>> times.
>>>
>>> Wash your mouth before saying anything about Tesla.
>>>
>>> What he was is behind your comprehension, as one ANT can think what you are.
>>>
>>> You barely can understand that Einstein was an imbecile fraudster, a
>>> plagiarist, a thief, a deceiver, an impostor, etc, etc.
>>>
>>>
>> Hero worship is rampant. Mixed with “my hero can beat up your hero.”
>> --
>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>
>
> Read this very carefully, Bodkin. And, besides, my "hero" is and always
> will be James Clerk Maxwell.

As I said. Hero worship is rampant. Mixed with “my here can beat up your
hero.”

>
> This site analyze jewish roots of the most relevant persons in many
> different activities (more than 1,000 are listed).
> This is what's posted since 2006 about Einstein.
> I call this PURE INDOCTRINATION: "The smartest man that ever lived was a
> Jew, Albert Einstein". THIS IS "HERO" WORSHIPPING!!
>
> Jew or Not Jew: Choosing the Chosen People
> http://www.jewornotjew.com/
>
> Albert Einstein
> March 14, 1879 – April 18, 1955
>
> You can have Leonardo da Vinci. We won't argue about Isaac Newton. Thomas
> Edison can take a hike. Archimedes, Pythagoras, Aristotle, Plato, and
> Socrates are all too ancient to be considered. Copernicus? Galileo?
> Descartes? No thanks. We have Albert Einstein... the smartest man who ever lived.
>
> The word "genius" gets thrown around so much today. That football coach
> is a genius! That movie director is a genius! Anyone who has an IQ over
> some number is a genius! The word's meaning is ever so diluted. But we're
> not here to argue about semantics, we're here to argue if someone is Jewish or not.
>
> Albert Einstein: Genius. Jew.
>
> But why such a high score for someone who was non-observant? All the
> proof you need is in Einstein's own quote, "A Jew who sheds his faith
> along the way, or who even picks up a different one, is still a Jew."
> Besides, anyone whose work was attempted to be discredited by the Nazis
> as "Jewish physics", anyone who was offered the presidency of Israel
> without being its citizen, anyone who has become a prototype for that
> overused word "genius", is clearly deserving of the perfect score.
>
> Albert Einstein: Smartest Man Ever. Jew.
>
> Verdict: Jew.
> September 13, 2006
>
>
>
> Isaac Newton
> January 4, 1643 – March 31, 1727
>
> Isaac Newton was not Jewish. Clearly. However, there are some
> connections: he knew Hebrew, was very well versed in Jewish history, and
> considered Christianity a derivative of Judaism.
>
> So, we'll just slap a verdict here and go back to writing about Duffman...
>
> One minor problem. Should we say "Not a Jew", or "Sadly, Not a Jew"? Yes,
> questions like these keep us awake at night.
>
> On one hand, gravity, laws of motion, the reflecting telescope, one of
> the smartest men ever, etc, etc, etc. Sounds like a lock for "Sadly".
>
> On the other hand, calculus. Thanks for that invention, Sir Isaac. We
> were forced to take three semesters of calculus in college. Those long
> nights struggling with double and triple integrals are not easily forgotten. Or forgiven.
>
> And when, in our last calculus class ever, the professor told us that
> everything we'd worked so hard to learn was not only essentially useless
> but could be better done by computers, well...
>
> Verdict: Not a Jew.
> November 9, 2008
>
>
> Not a single entry about Tesla or Maxwell.
>
> So, it is about an abyss, where newtonians are on one side and
> einstenians are in the other side. No solution at sight.
>
>

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

On 4/27/2022 11:29 AM, Michael Moroney wrote:
> On 4/27/2022 3:08 AM, whodat wrote:

<snip>

>> Michael, you've apparently spent most of your life in a city atmosphere,
>> where gas is usually available. I spent most of my life in city and
>> suburban settings but retired to the country in what is best described
>> as a "hole in the woods.
>>
>> In rural America, where gas is not available, 240 volt appliances are
>> quite common. Fixed is the electric water heater typically 30 or 40
>> amps at 240 volts. More portable, using sockets and power cords with
>> matching plugs are electric clothes dryers (typically 240 volts at 30
>> amps) and electric stoves (typically 240 volts 50 or 60 amps.)
>
> It appears that you missed the part about permanently wired large
> devices. We have 240V electric stove, dryer water heater & geothermal
> heating. OK the stoves and dryers have a huge plug/socket so aren't
> officially permanently wired, my point was that it's available but
> usually underused. You can't go into the nearest Walmart and buy a 240V
> coffee machine/toaster etc.

You're right, I missed that part. Apologies.

Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> wrote:

> On 4/27/2022 1:53 AM, Richard Hertz wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 2:24:08 AM UTC-3, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> >> My opinion is that Tesla was right on the line between genius and
> >> insanity, and would go on both sides of it. He was quite the odd duck at
> >> times.
> >
> > Wash your mouth before saying anything about Tesla.
>
> Wash your own mouth out from all the lies you said about Einstein.
>
> Both Einstein and Tesla were geniuses, but at least Einstein didn't
> wander into insanity and back.
> >
> > What he was is behind your comprehension, as one ANT can think what you
> > are.
> >
> > You barely can understand that Einstein was an imbecile fraudster, a
> > plagiarist, a thief, a deceiver, an impostor, etc, etc.
> >
> Einstein was more of a genius than you can ever hope for. Too bad for
> your OCD-driven hatred!

Not only that, Einstein also owned more patents,

Jan

Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> wrote:

> On 4/27/2022 4:26 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 4/26/2022 5:19 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >>> Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> wrote:
>
> >>>> Edison created General Electric and bought the
> >>>> licenses from Westinghouse to use AC. Both companies continue to exist
> >>>> (with changes of names and directions).
> >>>
> >>> The problem with Edison was that he was just too dumb
> >>> to understand the complex number arithmetic and vector diagrams
> >>> involved in three-phase AC systems.
> >>
> >> More like much, MUCH too stubborn to accept the fact AC was superior
> >> then for the simple reason transformers could be used, therefore high
> >> voltage long distance power transmission could exist.
> >
> > I read somewhere that Edison confessed, after it was all over,
> > that he had known that AC was superior all along.
> > He kept up the fight only for profit.
> >
> >> You see the same
> >> stubbornness from many posters here, who refuse to accept it when they
> >> are wrong. You all know who you are... :-)
> >>
> >> Plus Edison was a first class jerk.
> >
> > Yes, and a murderous one.
>
> Definitely. He electrocuted animals, even an elephant, to show how
> "dangerous" AC was. And lobbied for execution via electric chair (using
> AC) to be called being "Westinghoused".

Yes, and he paid boys for stealing pets from his neighbours
for use in his electrocution demonstrations.
(pretending they were 'strays')

> >> (Edison does get the last laugh, very high voltage DC power links are
> >> now used for very long distance power transmission, even if they need
> >> converters on each end)
> >
> > Yes, and so what? BTW, back to back ones,
> > using swithed mercury arc rectifiers existed long ago.
>
> I know. I once lived a block from a prototype DC link run by GE which
> took power generated by an ancient hydro plant at 40 Hz to a GE plant
> which converted the DC to 60 Hz. It was out of service by the time we
> lived there and is long gone now.

Japan was one of the first users.
Half their country is 50Hz, half is 60Hz.
Design is different: for back to back system you want
high current, low voltage.
For long distace it is the other way round,

Jan

El miércoles, 27 de abril de 2022 a las 4:26:38 UTC-4, J. J. Lodder escribió:
> Michael Moroney <mor...@world.std.spaamtrap.com> wrote:
>
> > On 4/26/2022 5:19 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > Paparios <mr...@ing.puc.cl> wrote:
> > >
> > > [-]
> > >> At the end, Edison was more succesful than Tesla, who died almost broke
> > >> having wasted all his money in not so good inventions.
> > >
> > > Tesla survived for a long time on the royalties
> > > of his commercially most succesful invention:
> > > the first accurate and reliable car speedometer.
> >

From his wikipedia page, it appears that after 1900 he had some curious behaviors, like living in hotels:

"Tesla lived at the Waldorf Astoria in New York City from 1900 and ran up a large bill. He moved to the St. Regis Hotel in 1922 and followed a *pattern from then on of moving to a different hotel every few years and leaving unpaid bills behind*.

Tesla walked to the park every day to feed the pigeons. He began feeding them at the window of his hotel room and nursed injured birds back to health. He said that he had been visited by a certain injured white pigeon daily. He spent over $2,000 to care for the bird, including a device he built to support her comfortably while her broken wing and leg healed. Tesla stated:

I have been feeding pigeons, thousands of them for years. But there was one, a beautiful bird, pure white with light grey tips on its wings; that one was different. It was a female. I had only to wish and call her and she would come flying to me. I loved that pigeon as a man loves a woman, and she loved me. As long as I had her, there was a purpose to my life.

*Tesla's unpaid bills, as well as complaints about the mess made by pigeons, led to his eviction from St. Regis in 1923. He was also forced to leave the Hotel Pennsylvania in 1930 and the Hotel Governor Clinton in 1934. At one point he also took rooms at the Hotel Marguery*.

Tesla moved to the Hotel New Yorker in 1934. At this time Westinghouse Electric & Manufacturing Company began paying him $125 per month in addition to paying his rent. Accounts of how this came about vary. Several sources claim that Westinghouse was concerned, or possibly warned, about potential bad publicity arising from the impoverished conditions in which their former star inventor was living. The payment has been described as being couched as a "consulting fee" to get around Tesla's aversion to accepting charity. Tesla biographer Marc Seifer described the Westinghouse payments as a type of "unspecified settlement". In any case, Westinghouse provided the funds for Tesla for the rest of his life".