https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2023/09/16/video-of-teens-allegedly-intentionally-hitting-and-killing-biker-with-car-tells-us-we-have-big-problems-n2163887
>
Alongside the tragedy, personal and societal, note that the victim's Apple watch informed his wife and daughter that he was down. That's a good use of simple AI.
>
Andre Jute
Sociologists have been warning for years that violent video games dehumanise everyone else for teenagers.

On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 05:22:15 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
<fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:

>https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2023/09/16/video-of-teens-allegedly-intentionally-hitting-and-killing-biker-with-car-tells-us-we-have-big-problems-n2163887
>>
>Alongside the tragedy, personal and societal, note that the victim's Apple watch informed his wife and daughter that he was down. That's a good use of simple AI.
>

On the other hand, when it comes to Chinese technology monitering our
lives, how much is too much?

On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 08:59:01 -0400, Catrike Rider
<soloman@drafting.not> wrote:

>On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 05:22:15 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
><fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2023/09/16/video-of-teens-allegedly-intentionally-hitting-and-killing-biker-with-car-tells-us-we-have-big-problems-n2163887
>>>
>>Alongside the tragedy, personal and societal, note that the victim's Apple watch informed his wife and daughter that he was down. That's a good use of simple AI.
>>
>
>On the other hand, when it comes to Chinese technology monitering our
>lives, how much is too much?

But What is the alternative?
For example, there is only one hand phone actually manufactured in the
U.S. - the Librem 5 USA · Starting at $1,999.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 20:28:55 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 08:59:01 -0400, Catrike Rider
><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 05:22:15 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>><fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2023/09/16/video-of-teens-allegedly-intentionally-hitting-and-killing-biker-with-car-tells-us-we-have-big-problems-n2163887
>>>>
>>>Alongside the tragedy, personal and societal, note that the victim's Apple watch informed his wife and daughter that he was down. That's a good use of simple AI.
>>>
>>
>>On the other hand, when it comes to Chinese technology monitering our
>>lives, how much is too much?
>
>But What is the alternative?
>For example, there is only one hand phone actually manufactured in the
>U.S. - the Librem 5 USA · Starting at $1,999.

There is no alternative..

On 9/17/2023 7:59 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 05:22:15 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
> <fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2023/09/16/video-of-teens-allegedly-intentionally-hitting-and-killing-biker-with-car-tells-us-we-have-big-problems-n2163887
>>>
>> Alongside the tragedy, personal and societal, note that the victim's Apple watch informed his wife and daughter that he was down. That's a good use of simple AI.
>>
>
> On the other hand, when it comes to Chinese technology monitering our
> lives, how much is too much?

A robot message on your wrist, "You have just been killed."

Priceless.
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 09:08:17 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 9/17/2023 7:59 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 05:22:15 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>> <fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2023/09/16/video-of-teens-allegedly-intentionally-hitting-and-killing-biker-with-car-tells-us-we-have-big-problems-n2163887
>>>>
>>> Alongside the tragedy, personal and societal, note that the victim's Apple watch informed his wife and daughter that he was down. That's a good use of simple AI.
>>>
>>
>> On the other hand, when it comes to Chinese technology monitering our
>> lives, how much is too much?
>
>A robot message on your wrist, "You have just been killed."
>
>Priceless.

Garmin is an American/Swiss entity, but I have little doubt that the
Chinese could have access to my data through the Chinese made Garmin
devices, if they thought it of any value.

On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 09:49:04 -0400, Catrike Rider
<soloman@drafting.not> wrote:

>On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 20:28:55 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 08:59:01 -0400, Catrike Rider
>><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 05:22:15 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>>><fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2023/09/16/video-of-teens-allegedly-intentionally-hitting-and-killing-biker-with-car-tells-us-we-have-big-problems-n2163887
>>>>>
>>>>Alongside the tragedy, personal and societal, note that the victim's Apple watch informed his wife and daughter that he was down. That's a good use of simple AI.
>>>>
>>>
>>>On the other hand, when it comes to Chinese technology monitering our
>>>lives, how much is too much?
>>
>>But What is the alternative?
>>For example, there is only one hand phone actually manufactured in the
>>U.S. - the Librem 5 USA · Starting at $1,999.
>
>There is no alternative..

And yet, the Motorola DynaTAC was the first commercially available
hand phone. The first, financially available for the masses, auto was
the Ford, and, and, and.

--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 09:08:17 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 9/17/2023 7:59 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 05:22:15 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>> <fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2023/09/16/video-of-teens-allegedly-intentionally-hitting-and-killing-biker-with-car-tells-us-we-have-big-problems-n2163887
>>>>
>>> Alongside the tragedy, personal and societal, note that the victim's Apple watch informed his wife and daughter that he was down. That's a good use of simple AI.
>>>
>>
>> On the other hand, when it comes to Chinese technology monitering our
>> lives, how much is too much?
>
>A robot message on your wrist, "You have just been killed."
>
>Priceless.

But the answer is simple. Refuse to use anything manufactured by a
Chinese company no matter where it is actually made.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 11:03:44 -0400, Catrike Rider
<soloman@drafting.not> wrote:

>On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 09:08:17 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>>On 9/17/2023 7:59 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>> On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 05:22:15 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>>> <fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2023/09/16/video-of-teens-allegedly-intentionally-hitting-and-killing-biker-with-car-tells-us-we-have-big-problems-n2163887
>>>>>
>>>> Alongside the tragedy, personal and societal, note that the victim's Apple watch informed his wife and daughter that he was down. That's a good use of simple AI.
>>>>
>>>
>>> On the other hand, when it comes to Chinese technology monitering our
>>> lives, how much is too much?
>>
>>A robot message on your wrist, "You have just been killed."
>>
>>Priceless.
>
>
>Garmin is an American/Swiss entity, but I have little doubt that the
>Chinese could have access to my data through the Chinese made Garmin
>devices, if they thought it of any value.

Anything that is transmitted without wires is free for anyone that
wants to apprehend it (:-)

And, the U.S. Government has had facilities to do just that for years
and years. The "ECHELO" program dates back to the early 1960's.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 9/17/2023 5:50 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 09:08:17 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 9/17/2023 7:59 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>> On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 05:22:15 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>>> <fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2023/09/16/video-of-teens-allegedly-intentionally-hitting-and-killing-biker-with-car-tells-us-we-have-big-problems-n2163887
>>>>>
>>>> Alongside the tragedy, personal and societal, note that the victim's Apple watch informed his wife and daughter that he was down. That's a good use of simple AI.
>>>>
>>>
>>> On the other hand, when it comes to Chinese technology monitering our
>>> lives, how much is too much?
>>
>> A robot message on your wrist, "You have just been killed."
>>
>> Priceless.
>
> But the answer is simple. Refuse to use anything manufactured by a
> Chinese company no matter where it is actually made.

I'm generally OK with that. Works for me.
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 05:47:29 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 09:49:04 -0400, Catrike Rider
><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 20:28:55 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 08:59:01 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 05:22:15 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>>>><fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2023/09/16/video-of-teens-allegedly-intentionally-hitting-and-killing-biker-with-car-tells-us-we-have-big-problems-n2163887
>>>>>>
>>>>>Alongside the tragedy, personal and societal, note that the victim's Apple watch informed his wife and daughter that he was down. That's a good use of simple AI.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On the other hand, when it comes to Chinese technology monitering our
>>>>lives, how much is too much?
>>>
>>>But What is the alternative?
>>>For example, there is only one hand phone actually manufactured in the
>>>U.S. - the Librem 5 USA · Starting at $1,999.
>>
>>There is no alternative..
>
>And yet, the Motorola DynaTAC was the first commercially available
>hand phone. The first, financially available for the masses, auto was
>the Ford, and, and, and.

....and Pittsburgh used to be big enough in steel to name a
professional football team.

The federal government, along with the labor unions, and the large
employers shipped lots of production to other countries.

On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 06:10:59 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 11:03:44 -0400, Catrike Rider
><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 09:08:17 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>>On 9/17/2023 7:59 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 05:22:15 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>>>> <fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2023/09/16/video-of-teens-allegedly-intentionally-hitting-and-killing-biker-with-car-tells-us-we-have-big-problems-n2163887
>>>>>>
>>>>> Alongside the tragedy, personal and societal, note that the victim's Apple watch informed his wife and daughter that he was down. That's a good use of simple AI.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On the other hand, when it comes to Chinese technology monitering our
>>>> lives, how much is too much?
>>>
>>>A robot message on your wrist, "You have just been killed."
>>>
>>>Priceless.
>>
>>
>>Garmin is an American/Swiss entity, but I have little doubt that the
>>Chinese could have access to my data through the Chinese made Garmin
>>devices, if they thought it of any value.
>
>Anything that is transmitted without wires is free for anyone that
>wants to apprehend it (:-)

They don't even have to do that.

>And, the U.S. Government has had facilities to do just that for years
>and years. The "ECHELO" program dates back to the early 1960's.

On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 18:12:49 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 9/17/2023 5:50 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 09:08:17 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/17/2023 7:59 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 05:22:15 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>>>> <fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2023/09/16/video-of-teens-allegedly-intentionally-hitting-and-killing-biker-with-car-tells-us-we-have-big-problems-n2163887
>>>>>>
>>>>> Alongside the tragedy, personal and societal, note that the victim's Apple watch informed his wife and daughter that he was down. That's a good use of simple AI.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On the other hand, when it comes to Chinese technology monitering our
>>>> lives, how much is too much?
>>>
>>> A robot message on your wrist, "You have just been killed."
>>>
>>> Priceless.
>>
>> But the answer is simple. Refuse to use anything manufactured by a
>> Chinese company no matter where it is actually made.
>
>I'm generally OK with that. Works for me.

You might want to read
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/01/11/reminder-most-what-you-pay-made-china-product-goes-us-workers-businesses/
It tells us, in part, that more then half what you pay for "Chinese
made" actually stays in the U.S.

But on the other hand I read that about 85% of bicycles sold are
either made in China or made from components made in China. Shimano,
for example, has at least 3 large factories in China.

--
Cheers,

John B.

On 9/17/2023 7:14 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 18:12:49 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 9/17/2023 5:50 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 09:08:17 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/17/2023 7:59 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 05:22:15 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>>>>> <fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2023/09/16/video-of-teens-allegedly-intentionally-hitting-and-killing-biker-with-car-tells-us-we-have-big-problems-n2163887
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alongside the tragedy, personal and societal, note that the victim's Apple watch informed his wife and daughter that he was down. That's a good use of simple AI.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On the other hand, when it comes to Chinese technology monitering our
>>>>> lives, how much is too much?
>>>>
>>>> A robot message on your wrist, "You have just been killed."
>>>>
>>>> Priceless.
>>>
>>> But the answer is simple. Refuse to use anything manufactured by a
>>> Chinese company no matter where it is actually made.
>>
>> I'm generally OK with that. Works for me.
>
> You might want to read
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/01/11/reminder-most-what-you-pay-made-china-product-goes-us-workers-businesses/
> It tells us, in part, that more then half what you pay for "Chinese
> made" actually stays in the U.S.
>
> But on the other hand I read that about 85% of bicycles sold are
> either made in China or made from components made in China. Shimano,
> for example, has at least 3 large factories in China.
>

'Most', not all.
Bianchi sold in USA are switching now to Italian built, will
be all Italian production by end of year. SOMA are Free
China ROC built with Japanese tube. And others.
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 19:26:20 -0400, Catrike Rider
<soloman@drafting.not> wrote:

>On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 05:47:29 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 09:49:04 -0400, Catrike Rider
>><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 20:28:55 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 08:59:01 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 05:22:15 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>>>>><fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2023/09/16/video-of-teens-allegedly-intentionally-hitting-and-killing-biker-with-car-tells-us-we-have-big-problems-n2163887
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Alongside the tragedy, personal and societal, note that the victim's Apple watch informed his wife and daughter that he was down. That's a good use of simple AI.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On the other hand, when it comes to Chinese technology monitering our
>>>>>lives, how much is too much?
>>>>
>>>>But What is the alternative?
>>>>For example, there is only one hand phone actually manufactured in the
>>>>U.S. - the Librem 5 USA · Starting at $1,999.
>>>
>>>There is no alternative..
>>
>>And yet, the Motorola DynaTAC was the first commercially available
>>hand phone. The first, financially available for the masses, auto was
>>the Ford, and, and, and.
>
>...and Pittsburgh used to be big enough in steel to name a
>professional football team.
>
>The federal government, along with the labor unions, and the large
>employers shipped lots of production to other countries.

Certainly.

I read about auto companies building plants in Mexico, and Harley even
has a factory in Thailand. And I read about the recent Auto Worker's
strike wanting a nearly 40% increase in salary over the next 4 years.
And I nod my head wisely (:-)

I read that direct labor costs make up about 20% of the total
manufacturing cost of an automobile..
https://www.statista.com/statistics/744910/cost-breakdown-of-car-production-by-segment/
Minimum salary in Mexico - US $3.61/day, U.S. (California) $15.50/hour
( X 8 = $124/day)

--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 19:32:01 -0400, Catrike Rider
<soloman@drafting.not> wrote:

>On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 06:10:59 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 11:03:44 -0400, Catrike Rider
>><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 09:08:17 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 9/17/2023 7:59 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 05:22:15 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>>>>> <fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2023/09/16/video-of-teens-allegedly-intentionally-hitting-and-killing-biker-with-car-tells-us-we-have-big-problems-n2163887
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alongside the tragedy, personal and societal, note that the victim's Apple watch informed his wife and daughter that he was down. That's a good use of simple AI.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On the other hand, when it comes to Chinese technology monitering our
>>>>> lives, how much is too much?
>>>>
>>>>A robot message on your wrist, "You have just been killed."
>>>>
>>>>Priceless.
>>>
>>>
>>>Garmin is an American/Swiss entity, but I have little doubt that the
>>>Chinese could have access to my data through the Chinese made Garmin
>>>devices, if they thought it of any value.
>>
>>Anything that is transmitted without wires is free for anyone that
>>wants to apprehend it (:-)
>
>They don't even have to do that.
>
>>And, the U.S. Government has had facilities to do just that for years
>>and years. The "ECHELO" program dates back to the early 1960's.

"ECHELO" should be spelled "ECHELON" (:-(
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 19:34:29 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 9/17/2023 7:14 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 18:12:49 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/17/2023 5:50 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 09:08:17 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/17/2023 7:59 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 05:22:15 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>>>>>> <fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2023/09/16/video-of-teens-allegedly-intentionally-hitting-and-killing-biker-with-car-tells-us-we-have-big-problems-n2163887
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alongside the tragedy, personal and societal, note that the victim's Apple watch informed his wife and daughter that he was down. That's a good use of simple AI.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On the other hand, when it comes to Chinese technology monitering our
>>>>>> lives, how much is too much?
>>>>>
>>>>> A robot message on your wrist, "You have just been killed."
>>>>>
>>>>> Priceless.
>>>>
>>>> But the answer is simple. Refuse to use anything manufactured by a
>>>> Chinese company no matter where it is actually made.
>>>
>>> I'm generally OK with that. Works for me.
>>
>> You might want to read
>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/01/11/reminder-most-what-you-pay-made-china-product-goes-us-workers-businesses/
>> It tells us, in part, that more then half what you pay for "Chinese
>> made" actually stays in the U.S.
>>
>> But on the other hand I read that about 85% of bicycles sold are
>> either made in China or made from components made in China. Shimano,
>> for example, has at least 3 large factories in China.
>>
>
>'Most', not all.
>Bianchi sold in USA are switching now to Italian built, will
>be all Italian production by end of year. SOMA are Free
>China ROC built with Japanese tube. And others.

Re "free China". Years ago I read an article about "Horns" - Trumpets,
Bugles, Trombones, etc., and apparently the majority came from Taiwan.
The author of the article visited Taiwan and discovered that while the
horns were sold to the U.S. by Taiwanese companies that the actual
manufacture of the horns was in mainland China.

By the way, historically "Free China" was a military dictatorship from
1949 to 1987 and during the "White Terror", as the period is known,
140,000 people were imprisoned or executed for being perceived as
anti-KMT or pro-Communist
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 9/17/2023 8:36 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 19:34:29 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 9/17/2023 7:14 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 18:12:49 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/17/2023 5:50 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 09:08:17 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/17/2023 7:59 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 05:22:15 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>>>>>>> <fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2023/09/16/video-of-teens-allegedly-intentionally-hitting-and-killing-biker-with-car-tells-us-we-have-big-problems-n2163887
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alongside the tragedy, personal and societal, note that the victim's Apple watch informed his wife and daughter that he was down. That's a good use of simple AI.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On the other hand, when it comes to Chinese technology monitering our
>>>>>>> lives, how much is too much?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A robot message on your wrist, "You have just been killed."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Priceless.
>>>>>
>>>>> But the answer is simple. Refuse to use anything manufactured by a
>>>>> Chinese company no matter where it is actually made.
>>>>
>>>> I'm generally OK with that. Works for me.
>>>
>>> You might want to read
>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/01/11/reminder-most-what-you-pay-made-china-product-goes-us-workers-businesses/
>>> It tells us, in part, that more then half what you pay for "Chinese
>>> made" actually stays in the U.S.
>>>
>>> But on the other hand I read that about 85% of bicycles sold are
>>> either made in China or made from components made in China. Shimano,
>>> for example, has at least 3 large factories in China.
>>>
>>
>> 'Most', not all.
>> Bianchi sold in USA are switching now to Italian built, will
>> be all Italian production by end of year. SOMA are Free
>> China ROC built with Japanese tube. And others.
>
> Re "free China". Years ago I read an article about "Horns" - Trumpets,
> Bugles, Trombones, etc., and apparently the majority came from Taiwan.
> The author of the article visited Taiwan and discovered that while the
> horns were sold to the U.S. by Taiwanese companies that the actual
> manufacture of the horns was in mainland China.
>
> By the way, historically "Free China" was a military dictatorship from
> 1949 to 1987 and during the "White Terror", as the period is known,
> 140,000 people were imprisoned or executed for being perceived as
> anti-KMT or pro-Communist

Some guilty and some not but the danger of CCP fifth
columnists was real.

During which time Mao dispatched some 60 million chinese,
some large proportion in his Great Leap Forward famine.
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 20:50:10 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 9/17/2023 8:36 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 19:34:29 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/17/2023 7:14 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 18:12:49 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/17/2023 5:50 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 09:08:17 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/17/2023 7:59 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 05:22:15 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>>>>>>>> <fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2023/09/16/video-of-teens-allegedly-intentionally-hitting-and-killing-biker-with-car-tells-us-we-have-big-problems-n2163887
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Alongside the tragedy, personal and societal, note that the victim's Apple watch informed his wife and daughter that he was down. That's a good use of simple AI.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On the other hand, when it comes to Chinese technology monitering our
>>>>>>>> lives, how much is too much?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A robot message on your wrist, "You have just been killed."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Priceless.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But the answer is simple. Refuse to use anything manufactured by a
>>>>>> Chinese company no matter where it is actually made.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm generally OK with that. Works for me.
>>>>
>>>> You might want to read
>>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/01/11/reminder-most-what-you-pay-made-china-product-goes-us-workers-businesses/
>>>> It tells us, in part, that more then half what you pay for "Chinese
>>>> made" actually stays in the U.S.
>>>>
>>>> But on the other hand I read that about 85% of bicycles sold are
>>>> either made in China or made from components made in China. Shimano,
>>>> for example, has at least 3 large factories in China.
>>>>
>>>
>>> 'Most', not all.
>>> Bianchi sold in USA are switching now to Italian built, will
>>> be all Italian production by end of year. SOMA are Free
>>> China ROC built with Japanese tube. And others.
>>
>> Re "free China". Years ago I read an article about "Horns" - Trumpets,
>> Bugles, Trombones, etc., and apparently the majority came from Taiwan.
>> The author of the article visited Taiwan and discovered that while the
>> horns were sold to the U.S. by Taiwanese companies that the actual
>> manufacture of the horns was in mainland China.
>>
>> By the way, historically "Free China" was a military dictatorship from
>> 1949 to 1987 and during the "White Terror", as the period is known,
>> 140,000 people were imprisoned or executed for being perceived as
>> anti-KMT or pro-Communist
>
>Some guilty and some not but the danger of CCP fifth
>columnists was real.
>
>During which time Mao dispatched some 60 million chinese,
>some large proportion in his Great Leap Forward famine.

Ah but you are forgetting. The KMT were the "good Guys".

Mrs. Chiang Kai-shek parading around the U.S. and the U.S. financing
the KMT to the tune of $1.4 billion over the period 1951-1965. And
meanwhile the KMT was killing their own people - see "White Terror.
Some 3 - 4,000 executed, not including the 18,000 - 28,000 killed in
the 228 "Incident", and the 140,000 imprisoned.

--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 18:12:49 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 9/17/2023 5:50 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 09:08:17 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/17/2023 7:59 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 05:22:15 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>>>> <fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2023/09/16/video-of-teens-allegedly-intentionally-hitting-and-killing-biker-with-car-tells-us-we-have-big-problems-n2163887
>>>>>>
>>>>> Alongside the tragedy, personal and societal, note that the victim's Apple watch informed his wife and daughter that he was down. That's a good use of simple AI.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On the other hand, when it comes to Chinese technology monitering our
>>>> lives, how much is too much?
>>>
>>> A robot message on your wrist, "You have just been killed."
>>>
>>> Priceless.
>>
>> But the answer is simple. Refuse to use anything manufactured by a
>> Chinese company no matter where it is actually made.
>
>I'm generally OK with that. Works for me.

I strive to do that, but it's almost impossible.

On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 04:27:37 -0400, Catrike Rider
<soloman@drafting.not> wrote:

>On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 18:12:49 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>>On 9/17/2023 5:50 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 09:08:17 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/17/2023 7:59 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 05:22:15 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>>>>> <fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2023/09/16/video-of-teens-allegedly-intentionally-hitting-and-killing-biker-with-car-tells-us-we-have-big-problems-n2163887
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alongside the tragedy, personal and societal, note that the victim's Apple watch informed his wife and daughter that he was down. That's a good use of simple AI.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On the other hand, when it comes to Chinese technology monitering our
>>>>> lives, how much is too much?
>>>>
>>>> A robot message on your wrist, "You have just been killed."
>>>>
>>>> Priceless.
>>>
>>> But the answer is simple. Refuse to use anything manufactured by a
>>> Chinese company no matter where it is actually made.
>>
>>I'm generally OK with that. Works for me.
>
>I strive to do that, but it's almost impossible.

And yet 50 years ago there was no trade with mainland China.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 16:12:10 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 04:27:37 -0400, Catrike Rider
><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 18:12:49 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>>On 9/17/2023 5:50 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 09:08:17 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/17/2023 7:59 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 05:22:15 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>>>>>> <fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2023/09/16/video-of-teens-allegedly-intentionally-hitting-and-killing-biker-with-car-tells-us-we-have-big-problems-n2163887
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alongside the tragedy, personal and societal, note that the victim's Apple watch informed his wife and daughter that he was down. That's a good use of simple AI.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On the other hand, when it comes to Chinese technology monitering our
>>>>>> lives, how much is too much?
>>>>>
>>>>> A robot message on your wrist, "You have just been killed."
>>>>>
>>>>> Priceless.
>>>>
>>>> But the answer is simple. Refuse to use anything manufactured by a
>>>> Chinese company no matter where it is actually made.
>>>
>>>I'm generally OK with that. Works for me.
>>
>>I strive to do that, but it's almost impossible.
>
>And yet 50 years ago there was no trade with mainland China.

And today, the current administration encourages trade with them...

On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 06:21:23 -0400, Catrike Rider
<soloman@drafting.not> wrote:

>On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 16:12:10 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 04:27:37 -0400, Catrike Rider
>><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 18:12:49 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 9/17/2023 5:50 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 09:08:17 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/17/2023 7:59 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 05:22:15 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>>>>>>> <fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2023/09/16/video-of-teens-allegedly-intentionally-hitting-and-killing-biker-with-car-tells-us-we-have-big-problems-n2163887
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alongside the tragedy, personal and societal, note that the victim's Apple watch informed his wife and daughter that he was down. That's a good use of simple AI.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On the other hand, when it comes to Chinese technology monitering our
>>>>>>> lives, how much is too much?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A robot message on your wrist, "You have just been killed."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Priceless.
>>>>>
>>>>> But the answer is simple. Refuse to use anything manufactured by a
>>>>> Chinese company no matter where it is actually made.
>>>>
>>>>I'm generally OK with that. Works for me.
>>>
>>>I strive to do that, but it's almost impossible.
>>
>>And yet 50 years ago there was no trade with mainland China.
>
>And today, the current administration encourages trade with them...

And to be realistic, probably, given costs in the U.S., probably
necessary. As I pointed out the only U.S. made hand phone starts at
about $2,000. While a HUAWEI Mate 50 Pro Dual-SIM.

--
Cheers,

John B.

On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 17:46:18 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 06:21:23 -0400, Catrike Rider
><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 16:12:10 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 04:27:37 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 18:12:49 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On 9/17/2023 5:50 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 09:08:17 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/17/2023 7:59 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 05:22:15 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>>>>>>>> <fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2023/09/16/video-of-teens-allegedly-intentionally-hitting-and-killing-biker-with-car-tells-us-we-have-big-problems-n2163887
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Alongside the tragedy, personal and societal, note that the victim's Apple watch informed his wife and daughter that he was down. That's a good use of simple AI.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On the other hand, when it comes to Chinese technology monitering our
>>>>>>>> lives, how much is too much?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A robot message on your wrist, "You have just been killed."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Priceless.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But the answer is simple. Refuse to use anything manufactured by a
>>>>>> Chinese company no matter where it is actually made.
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm generally OK with that. Works for me.
>>>>
>>>>I strive to do that, but it's almost impossible.
>>>
>>>And yet 50 years ago there was no trade with mainland China.
>>
>>And today, the current administration encourages trade with them...
>
>And to be realistic, probably, given costs in the U.S., probably
>necessary. As I pointed out the only U.S. made hand phone starts at
>about $2,000. While a HUAWEI Mate 50 Pro Dual-SIM, on Amazon is $579 (:-)

--
Cheers,

John B.

On 9/17/2023 9:53 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 20:50:10 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 9/17/2023 8:36 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 19:34:29 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/17/2023 7:14 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 18:12:49 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/17/2023 5:50 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 09:08:17 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 9/17/2023 7:59 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 05:22:15 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>>>>>>>>> <fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2023/09/16/video-of-teens-allegedly-intentionally-hitting-and-killing-biker-with-car-tells-us-we-have-big-problems-n2163887
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Alongside the tragedy, personal and societal, note that the victim's Apple watch informed his wife and daughter that he was down. That's a good use of simple AI.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On the other hand, when it comes to Chinese technology monitering our
>>>>>>>>> lives, how much is too much?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A robot message on your wrist, "You have just been killed."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Priceless.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But the answer is simple. Refuse to use anything manufactured by a
>>>>>>> Chinese company no matter where it is actually made.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm generally OK with that. Works for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> You might want to read
>>>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/01/11/reminder-most-what-you-pay-made-china-product-goes-us-workers-businesses/
>>>>> It tells us, in part, that more then half what you pay for "Chinese
>>>>> made" actually stays in the U.S.
>>>>>
>>>>> But on the other hand I read that about 85% of bicycles sold are
>>>>> either made in China or made from components made in China. Shimano,
>>>>> for example, has at least 3 large factories in China.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 'Most', not all.
>>>> Bianchi sold in USA are switching now to Italian built, will
>>>> be all Italian production by end of year. SOMA are Free
>>>> China ROC built with Japanese tube. And others.
>>>
>>> Re "free China". Years ago I read an article about "Horns" - Trumpets,
>>> Bugles, Trombones, etc., and apparently the majority came from Taiwan.
>>> The author of the article visited Taiwan and discovered that while the
>>> horns were sold to the U.S. by Taiwanese companies that the actual
>>> manufacture of the horns was in mainland China.
>>>
>>> By the way, historically "Free China" was a military dictatorship from
>>> 1949 to 1987 and during the "White Terror", as the period is known,
>>> 140,000 people were imprisoned or executed for being perceived as
>>> anti-KMT or pro-Communist
>>
>> Some guilty and some not but the danger of CCP fifth
>> columnists was real.
>>
>> During which time Mao dispatched some 60 million chinese,
>> some large proportion in his Great Leap Forward famine.
>
> Ah but you are forgetting. The KMT were the "good Guys".
>
> Mrs. Chiang Kai-shek parading around the U.S. and the U.S. financing
> the KMT to the tune of $1.4 billion over the period 1951-1965. And
> meanwhile the KMT was killing their own people - see "White Terror.
> Some 3 - 4,000 executed, not including the 18,000 - 28,000 killed in
> the 228 "Incident", and the 140,000 imprisoned.
>

And yet ROC became a wealthy peaceable successful state
while PRC remains a kleptocracy of thugs.
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971